SNP are lying b******s as well !

[Paul1642]

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Who do you suggest?

I was very impressed with Kate Forbes during the leadership vote. As far as I can see she’s kept her powder dry since then and not alienated herself from the party which some leadership runner ups tend to do so could be in with a very good chance if she wants it.

I’m not necessarily a SNP voter though (I don’t have a preferred party as such and vote for whoever impresses me the most / or more commonly the least worst candidate) so whilst I think this would be the opinion of the overall electorate, this opinion might not be that of the SNP supporters.

I think we could have a lot worse people in charge and that would likely be my preferred option unless someone I’ve not seen much of comes to the fore and impresses more.

[Ozyhibby]

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I was very impressed with Kate Forbes during the leadership vote. As far as I can see she’s kept her powder dry since then and not alienated herself from the party which some leadership runner ups tend to do so could be in with a very good chance if she wants it.

I’m not necessarily a SNP voter though (I don’t have a preferred party as such and vote for whoever impresses me the most / or more commonly the least worst candidate) so whilst I think this would be the opinion of the overall electorate, this opinion might not be that of the SNP supporters.

I think we could have a lot worse people in charge and that would likely be my preferred option unless someone I’ve not seen much of comes to the fore and impresses more.

I’m starting to think Forbes or Flynn will be in very soon.


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[lucky]

Humza is gone regardless of the vote. The greens over played their hand and Humza pushed them out. It’s bad political judgment from them all. As for another SNP FM without an election that would be ridiculous. All the arguments that they have made against the Tories would be used against them.
Ash Reegan is a poor politician but I have no doubt she will vote for Humza. She has no choice, if Humza goes and and election called she is out a job
Who would have thought that Scottish politics would look more messy than Westminster

[Hibrandenburg]

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Humza is gone regardless of the vote. The greens over played their hand and Humza pushed them out. It’s bad political judgment from them all. As for another SNP FM without an election that would be ridiculous. All the arguments that they have made against the Tories would be used against them.
Ash Reegan is a poor politician but I have no doubt she will vote for Humza. She has no choice, if Humza goes and and election called she is out a job
Who would have thought that Scottish politics would look more messy than Westminster

It's not pretty but it's also nowhere near as messy as the ****show we've had in Westminster the last decade.

[Ozyhibby]

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Humza is gone regardless of the vote. The greens over played their hand and Humza pushed them out. It’s bad political judgment from them all. As for another SNP FM without an election that would be ridiculous. All the arguments that they have made against the Tories would be used against them.
Ash Reegan is a poor politician but I have no doubt she will vote for Humza. She has no choice, if Humza goes and and election called she is out a job
Who would have thought that Scottish politics would look more messy than Westminster

An election now is bad for the SNP, Tories, Ash Regan and possibly the Greens now that they won’t have SNP lost voters. Just because it’s bad for all those people does not mean it won’t happen. Miscalculations happen all the time.
I think Yousaf is toast but Regan finds she can back Forbes. And if she is smart, Regan then goes back to SNP to help save herself after election.


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[marinello59]

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Humza is gone regardless of the vote. The greens over played their hand and Humza pushed them out. It’s bad political judgment from them all. As for another SNP FM without an election that would be ridiculous. All the arguments that they have made against the Tories would be used against them.
Ash Reegan is a poor politician but I have no doubt she will vote for Humza. She has no choice, if Humza goes and and election called she is out a job
Who would have thought that Scottish politics would look more messy than Westminster

Losing a leader as a direct result of vote of no confidence would be an utter humiliation for the Scottish Government. Yousaf now has to decide whether or not to go with the slightly less humiliating option of dancing to Alba’s tune in order to save his job.
Anybody think he may decide leave before it gets to a vote?

[Ozyhibby]

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Losing a leader as a direct result of vote of no confidence would be an utter humiliation for the Scottish Government. Yousaf now has to decide whether or not to go with the slightly less humiliating option of dancing to Alba’s tune in order to save his job.
Anybody think he may decide leave before it gets to a vote?

I think he will go before a vote. It’s the normal way of things. He knows he can’t deal with Regan.


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[lucky]

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Losing a leader as a direct result of vote of no confidence would be an utter humiliation for the Scottish Government. Yousaf now has to decide whether or not to go with the slightly less humiliating option of dancing to Alba’s tune in order to save his job.
Anybody think he may decide leave before it gets to a vote?

I doubt he will resign. He is ultra ambitious but not as ambitious as his wife. They think they are the new Sturgeon/Murell dream team. Humza is a nice guy and very personal but he’s been out his depth ever since we became a Government minister never mind FM.

[grunt]

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Losing a leader as a direct result of vote of no confidence would be an utter humiliation for the Scottish Government. Yousaf now has to decide whether or not to go with the slightly less humiliating option of dancing to Alba’s tune in order to save his job.
Anybody think he may decide leave before it gets to a vote?

Really? This had never occurred to me. Do you think humiliation is a major driver in politics?

[weecounty hibby]

The greens threatened to leave the BHA. The FM has taken a strong stance and horsed them out rather than wait weeks on a decision. Harvey, slater, Greer etc all have spat the dummy talking about Conservative and bigots having won and then saying they will vote with those Conservative bigots. Childish behaviour and electoral suicide. They will definitely lose seats as 2nd votes will cease from SNP voters. Interesting that all they talked about today was environment and they glossed over their views on gender and their outbursts regarding the Cass report.

[Pretty Boy]

Humza to resign and Neil Gray to replace him. Or so says Murdo Fraser anyway.

Surely not?

[GlesgaeHibby]

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Humza to resign and Neil Gray to replace him. Or so says Murdo Fraser anyway.

Surely not?

Wouldn't be surprised if he resigned to avoid humiliation of the no confidence vote, but can't see a coronation for Neil gray

[Ozyhibby]

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Humza to resign and Neil Gray to replace him. Or so says Murdo Fraser anyway.

Surely not?

It’s not in his gift to appoint a successor.


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[marinello59]

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It’s not in his gift to appoint a successor.


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I’m guessing the plan would be to have him as the only contender in a leadership contest. I can’t see it myself.

[Ozyhibby]

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I’m guessing the plan would be to have him as the only contender in a leadership contest. I can’t see it myself.

I would think there is zero chance of that.


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[Andy Bee]

I don't think he'll resign, not even if he loses the vote. At worst it'll be 1 or 2 over the threshold and he'll sit it out.

[Berwickhibby]

Had the popcorn 🍿 out most of the day …most enjoyable watching both sides either defend or slaughter Yousless…due to the buffoon’s incompetence the SNP will likely get a boost once he is emptied and a capable replacement is found.

[GlesgaeHibby]

https://wingsoverscotland.com/here-you-go-again/

Looks like Murdo could be right - another cabinet meeting this morning according to Wings.

[Ozyhibby]

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https://wingsoverscotland.com/here-you-go-again/

Looks like Murdo could be right - another cabinet meeting this morning according to Wings.

Yip. Those two will be right at the heart of what’s going on.


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[GlesgaeHibby]

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Yip. Those two will be right at the heart of what’s going on.


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Wings was way ahead of the MSM in breaking the news on emergency cabinet meeting that took place yesterday. Of course you'll have dismissed it out of hand without reading the article because it's Wings.

[WhileTheChief..]

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Had the popcorn 🍿 out most of the day …most enjoyable watching both sides either defend or slaughter Yousless…due to the buffoon’s incompetence the SNP will likely get a boost once he is emptied and a capable replacement is found.

Yup, kinda enjoyed watching the interviews on the news, with them all blaming each other.

Be a good thing in the end though. They've had their time and we need something fresh up here.

I guess the Westminster elections will give an indication of how Holyrood will go for the SNP.

Hopefully the Greens will be emptied. They've had far too much say up here and have been a disaster for the country.

[Ozyhibby]

I wonder if the Greens ease up a bit over the weekend? It would not be good for them to be siding with the Tories to bring down the SNP when they rely on a lot of SNP voters giving them their list vote. Harvey is vindictive but clearer heads in the party might start to push against him over the next few days. Their stance just now is pushing the govt to the centre away from them.
Yousaf standing down may be best for all though.


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[Ozyhibby]

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Yup, kinda enjoyed watching the interviews on the news, with them all blaming each other.

Be a good thing in the end though. They've had their time and we need something fresh up here.

I guess the Westminster elections will give an indication of how Holyrood will go for the SNP.

Hopefully the Greens will be emptied. They've had far too much say up here and have been a disaster for the country.

Two years apart though. SNP with new leadership and midterm of a Labour government may not perform as badly as it looks now.


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[marinello59]

Yousaf cancels today’s speech on the path towards Independence.
Waiting for Alba to tell him what it now is?

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/bbcjamescook/status/17...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Lots of political miscalculations yesterday. Wonder who will cave first.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/scotnational/status/17...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Labour going for VONC in govt. This is much more serious. It’s probably designed to put Tories in tricky situation. Probably helps Yousaf though.


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[Berwickhibby]

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https://x.com/bbcjamescook/status/17...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Lots of political miscalculations yesterday. Wonder who will cave first.


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Reckon the Green gimps will side with Yousless, their salaries and SNP second vote are more valuable than their principles 🙄

[Ozyhibby]

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Reckon the Green gimps will side with Yousless, their salaries and SNP second vote are more valuable than their principles

An election now suits Labour but almost nobody else. There will be a way found to avoid it. Hopefully it involves Yousaf stepping aside.


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[Pretty Boy]

I wonder if part of the problem is that the SNP have been so strong for so long that someone like Humza has forgotten that they work within a system designed for minority government. One which values cooperation, compromise and consensus. He alienated those in his own party who backed his leadership rivals and overlooked all of them for key jobs, dismissed someone who he may very well have to rely on to keep his job as 'no great loss' and he's now shattered any meaningful cooperation with the Greens in the short to medium term.

The lack of willingness to really work strategically with members of the wider yes movement post 2014 and the nonsensical insistence on the 'both votes SNP' mantra suggests some in the party working on strategy believed they could force a majority for the foreseeable one way or another. I'm not convinced being forced to govern as a minority again for the next 2 or 3 years will be any bad thing. It might even see independence become the raison d'etre for the SNP again as opposed to the current 'keep us in power'.

[Green Man]

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Labour going for VONC in govt. This is much more serious. It’s probably designed to put Tories in tricky situation. Probably helps Yousaf though.


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I think SGP would be a lot less likely to vote against the government than against the FM. The VONC in Yousaf is about him specifically, and given his actions yesterday it’s understandable why they would vote against him - they can no longer have confidence in him to work cooperatively in a way that is best for Scotland.