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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    I wouldn’t expect them to extol the benefits of the partnership a couple of days before binning it. Though having an emergency cabinet meeting suggests he may have just succumbed to pressure over the course of yesterday.
    I think he’s done the right thing finally for his party, just twelve months too late.
    I’m not disagreeing that he was bounced into it, just that even if he knew he was about to dump them, you give no clues until it’s done.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    I’m not disagreeing that he was bounced into it, just that even if he knew he was about to dump them, you give no clues until it’s done.


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    Easy for Yousaf then as he doesn’t have a clue anyway.

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    D Ross apparently putting a vote of no confidence in Yousaf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Bee View Post
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    D Ross apparently putting a vote of no confidence in Yousaf.
    Given how angry Harvie and Slater are it would be a tight vote. I thought Harvie was going to burst in to tears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    Given how angry Harvie and Slater are it would be a tight vote. I thought Harvie was going to burst in to tears.
    Harvie and Slater would def be bitter enough to vote against but I think as a group the most they will do is abstain.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    Harvie and Slater would def be bitter enough to vote against but I think as a group the most they will do is abstain.


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    They'll vote for him over fear of who may replace him IMO. Forbes is very outspoken of not working with the Greens for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    Has there ever been a weaker leader of any party?
    Corbyn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    Harvie and Slater would def be bitter enough to vote against but I think as a group the most they will do is abstain.


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    Aye, abstention seems the most likely but don’t underestimate how vindictive Harvie can be.
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    I hope Humza wins the vote as I don't want who comes next to take the GE pummelling. Prefer Humza goes after GE and preferably Flynn or someone not connected to the past comes in and kicks on without the disastrous polices of the last two years. Get a focus back on independence then post that we can easily change things from there

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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    Aye, abstention seems the most likely but don’t underestimate how vindictive Harvie can be.
    Absolutely. He will be burning with rage and thoughts of vengeance today. I think they have to act as a group though so that will likely keep him in check.
    I wouldn’t be surprised to see him lose leadership of the greens soon though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7 View Post
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    I hope Humza wins the vote as I don't want who comes next to take the GE pummelling. Prefer Humza goes after GE and preferably Flynn or someone not connected to the past comes in and kicks on without the disastrous polices of the last two years. Get a focus back on independence then post that we can easily change things from there
    I’d be happy for Flynn to come in now with Forbes as deputy and acting FM until Flynn gets to Holyrood. Yousaf has wasted his whole time in office so far and seems unable to control the narrative at all. Maybe today is a turning point for him? Probably his last chance. Need to make big changes starting with a reshuffle that brings Forbes back into finance and makes her deputy FM.


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    Harvie talking about the Greens taking a decision on the no confidence vote as a collective. I wonder if that means they will vote as a collective or if there will be dissent and either a rogue vote or a free vote.

    If they do vote as a collective, and the decision is to vote in favour of the Ross motion, then it's hard to see how Yousaf wins. He just won't have the numbers if Labour and Lib Dems also back it.

    The way Harvie was talking and given the vindictive streak he has shown before it's hard to see how he can then vote that he has confidence in the FM.
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    Would all the SNP MSP's support Humza

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    Would all the SNP MSP's support Humza
    Given the done thing would be to dissolve the government if there was a no confidence vote I think they would from a self preservation point of view.

    None of them will fancy going to the electorate at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Bee View Post
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    Would all the SNP MSP's support Humza
    Yes. One thing this motion does is help unite the SNP back together. So well done Ross for that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
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    Given the done thing would be to dissolve the government if there was a no confidence vote I think they would from a self preservation point of view.

    None of them will fancy going to the electorate at the moment.
    It’s a VONC in Yousaf not the govt. The Tories don’t want an election either which is why they did that. SNP will just choose a new leader.


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    Yup, 28 days to pick a new leader by simple majority. HY on a shoogly peg but I think he'll get the numbers.

    Given that the Greens will now effectively be the 3rd biggest opposition party now, will that twat Alex Cole Hamilton still get a question at FMQ's? This could be a really good day.

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    A dark day for anyone who wants a fairer, greener Scotland. The SNP leadership capitulated to the most conservative & bigoted forces in Scotland

    The @scottishgreens are the only party standing up for people and planet. Join us in that fight
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveHFC View Post
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    A dark day for anyone who wants a fairer, greener Scotland. The SNP leadership capitulated to the most conservative & bigoted forces in Scotland

    The @scottishgreens are the only party standing up for people and planet. Join us in that fight


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    Greens will vote to oust Humza says STV News.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveHFC View Post
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    Greens will vote to oust Humza says STV News.
    Ash Regan supporting SNP so 64-64, down to the PO who is a green

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveHFC View Post
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    Greens will vote to oust Humza says STV News.
    This could be a very good day for Scottish politics IMO.

    1. Humza potentially goes and gets replaced with someone competent.
    2. Greens are out of government.
    3. With the parties in dispute less SNP voters give Green their second vote next time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Bee View Post
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    Ash Regan supporting SNP so 64-64, down to the PO who is a green
    Ash Regan’s support is conditional on her demands being met. What an absolute humiliation this is becoming for Yousaf. He may survive the vote but he a dead man walking now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Bee View Post
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    Ash Regan supporting SNP so 64-64, down to the PO who is a green
    That’s counting on no SNP rebels and Ash not changing her mind between her statement today when it was just a hypothetical and the actual vote.

    Regan isn’t to save him for nothing in return. The greens have played their hand since she said that and potentially put a lot of power in her hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    Ash Regan’s support is conditional on her demands being met. What an absolute humiliation this is becoming for Yousaf. He may survive the vote but he a dead man walking now.
    Yup I listened to that from a rather smug Alex Salmond. It may all be for nothing though if Fergus does what I'm thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul1642 View Post
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    This could be a very good day for Scottish politics IMO.

    1. Humza potentially goes and gets replaced with someone competent.
    2. Greens are out of government.
    3. With the parties in dispute less SNP voters give Green their second vote next time around.
    3 absolutely fantastic outcomes. Need to get the new leader in quickly, and get on with governing competently to build support for independence.

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    Greens in their desire for revenge will force Yousaf out to be replaced with a more centrist choice acceptable to Regan. That’s real vindictiveness and I have to take my hat off to that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul1642 View Post
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    1. Humza potentially goes and gets replaced with someone competent.
    Who do you suggest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    Yes. One thing this motion does is help unite the SNP back together. So well done Ross for that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns View Post
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    Apart from Ewing!!!
    Ewing will get what he wants now anyway which is shot of the greens and focus back on bread and butter issues.


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