Gordon Smith on STV news - never heard so many lies out of one person's mouth. Unbelievable!
Lets feel sorry for cheating Rangers.......
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Gordon Smith on STV news - never heard so many lies out of one person's mouth. Unbelievable!
Lets feel sorry for cheating Rangers.......
Not in the slightest bit surprised by this news, and I'm sure the HMRC and other authorities are looking into the role of D&P in this sorry affair. Their behavior has gone way beyond trying to get the best deal deal for creditors. It has even gone beyond trying preserve RFC in its current form, with minimal damage, though this seems a key part of their strategy. They were appointed by the Craig Whyte, who was defacto appointed by SDM (one pound sale).Quote:
Originally Posted by ancienthibby
It seems to me that the people responsible for getting the club into this fraudulent mess, are using it as a battered shield to protect themselves.
Just who exactly is paying for all the legal fees in these cases? I thought they were skint?Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
The creditors basically. Unless of course it's coming from all those red and black scarf sales. I didn't actually know what the red and black signified till recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Very perceptive Bob, a fiddle perceived and hatched way back by all the players you mentioned simply because our system allows it, these guys were probably all in at the start of the conspiracy and fairly sure about getting away with it - why else was it so important that Whyte got D&P appointed at all costs? If only HMRC had got to the court doorstep first!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
Whyte, D&P, their favourite lawyers and wherever they get the letters guaranteeing funding from has meant they were probably cocky about swinging the master plan, leaving their suppliers and other genuine creditors with next to nothing whilst they cracked the champagne to celebrate being allowed to shaft the taxman and outwit the SPL/SFA - which my budgie could do.
Where the wheels started to come off is some journos - notably at the Beeb built a proper story even though it took a long time, you never know HMRC might be embarassed into having to do what they would do to all the rest of us immediately, and that is to chase down the maximum recovery they can and certainly get a high profile result in shutting down a dodgy football related avoidance scheme at the same time as getting the actual tax they always should have. There's bricks and mortar worth more than any "offer" if they really want it. If they don't putting this bigotted bankrupt and obviously fraudluent organisation out of business will have a deterrent effect worth billions if they show they actually do mean business.
According to sky they're using the Rangers fighting fund. Quite fitting that the funds collected from their fans might actually contribute to their demise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Mark Daly@markdaly2
We'll be publishing a bit more of our Duff and Phelps conflict of interest evidence tomorrow. Will be online shortly after midnight
Which in of itself illustrates how pathetic they are at all this. They shouldn't give the slightest crap what the fans think. I note they've long since given up even mentioning the creditors, it's always the fans this or preserving the club that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Treadstone
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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
:hyper: come on stop teasing......... will have to stay up now :greengrin
Anyone else get the feeling that plan a, b and c masterminded by whyte, Murray, green et all in turmoil and the new plan is to get expelled? What happens with regards to new co if old co is expelled? I take it the creditors receive sweet all.
The company would be liquidated, and the proceeds from the sale of the assets would be distributed to the creditors.Quote:
Originally Posted by HibeeBigFly
Wow ...... Just when you thought the current buns couldnt get any dumber they decide to challenge an SFA ruling in the civil courts.
It was exactly this scenario, as everybody knows ( apart from everybody connected with rangers it would appear ) that got Sion a massive kicking from UEFA and nearly got the Swiss FA banned from even running a pub league.
If theres one thing guaranteed to get UEFA steamed its clubs going to court over their national associations head. The huns are well aware of this and that their actions could get Scottish football clubs kicked out of Europe, but they just dont give a toss.
Any club who votes them back into the SPL on the back of this is just spitting in the face of their own fans.
Relegate them .... and do it now before they do any more damage FFS.
Good to know, they have to be expelled then. I just can't figure out why they would challenge the embargo when it would lead to heavy sanctions like what happened with sion.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
We've probably been over it a dozen times but what are the significant assets? Have I not read that the facade of Ibrox stadium is a listed building. Would this not minimize the value of the property and prevent viable demolishing? Or could an imaginative architect integrate it into blocks of flats or a large shopping mall? What are the other assets?Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Every day seems to raise my hatred for them a touch more. Even speaking to them and it's the whole "not our fault" rubbish that makes it worse
It's fun watching them them squirm but each day there is no punishment makes me think they are a day nearer somehow coming out of this Scott free.
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Originally Posted by Jim44
Dunno if what they done at highbury would work as it's not the nicest of areas. I'm sure Murray park would go but not 100% sure what other major assets they would have left
The statue of John Greig must be worth a couple of quid to a scrappy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
It would make a terrific headstone! :chop: :lolrangers:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
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Originally Posted by Jim44
There will be a team playing in blue called Glasgow Rangers mark 2 playing football somewhere around Govan in the years to come.
I would love to be part of a consortium to purchase Ibrox and lease it back, full insuring and repairing of course, to a newly formed Hun F C .
What a fantastic way to draw your pension.Rent reviews every 3 years of course. :greengrin
Does anyone know when next season's fixtures are out? This has to be resolved before then surely. How long are the SFA / SPL / SFL going to give them?
Fixtures out on Monday 18th JuneQuote:
Originally Posted by MerseyHibee
:top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by Brando7
:lolrangers:
:greengrin :greengrin :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Brando7
full interview with Rangers administrator David Grier
http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/103109-i...terest-claims/
There is no chance of that happening now.Quote:
Originally Posted by SBoyd79
FIFA/UEFA are absolutely clear on this....civil action against governing body means expulsion. It`s also in the SFAs rules......Rangers ( 1872 ) are history.
Duff and Phelps MUST have known this.....
Its actually against FIFA regulations.
Article 64
http://i46.tinypic.com/6sct20.jpg
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Originally Posted by Brando7
This one is better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE8Ak...eature=related
They could have ( D&P ) went to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. Unless there is a legal reason for not doing so, they could have appealed without sanction from FIFA or UEFA.
D&P chose not to do this but go to the Court of Session. They MUST know the consequences of this.....so it begs the question...why?
Either it's sheer incompetence, or most likely designed to lay the blame for the final demise of the quintessential British cheats at someone else's door.Quote:
Originally Posted by RossHibs
I heard the Queen doesn't want her beloved football club to die on her big Diamond Jubilee year...
Whyte/Murray need someone else to give the headshot. Are they really naive enough to believe that history will show that it was UEFA that sent Rangers to their grave?Quote:
Originally Posted by RossHibs
If they make the situation extremely difficult for Rangers it might perhaps make Liquidation more pallatable for the fans? They probably know a CVA isn't going to be agreed and this could be their best chance of sayingQuote:
Originally Posted by RossHibs
"Look, the clubs buggered, so rather than standing and taking all these punishments , lets just liquidate and start a newco and they canny touch us"
Beat me to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by green glory
One very odd point about going to the Court of Session. Their argument is that the signing embargo sanction wasn't available to the SFA, not that it was inappropriate or too harsh. That means that if they were to win the case, the SFA couldn't suspend the embargo - because they weren't competent to apply it in the first place - so they would have to apply another sanction. They've already levied the maximum fines available so it seems that the only other sanctions would be suspension or expulsion of the club, which is something that the SFA have said they had already considered.
It almost seems like they are challenging the SFA to do their worst, which strikes me as a very dangerous game to play and given that there's a precedent for UEFA intervening with Sion/Switzerland it's not a game they can win. Are they really trying to bring down the whole of Scottish football?
It reminds me of the Murdochs' (Snr and Jnr) performance at the Leveson enquiry - spray enough dirt around and bring as many people down with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
If the Court decides that the SFA weren't competent to apply the embargo, would that not mean that only the fines could stand? ie that the SFA couldn't go back and use another punishment, as that would be like being tried twice for the same crime. (and, yeah, I know Nat Fraser is on trial for the umpteenth time:greengrin)Quote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
It's The Barton Manoeuvre. **** up really, really badly and on the way down and out try to take others with you so that your own ****-up doesn't seem quite so monstrous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
Is there anything to be read into both UEFA and FIFA telling the BBC they won't be getting involved?
They've said it's an SFA matter but you can bet your bottom $ they'll be watching in case the SFA **** it up. See the threatened suspension of the Swiss FA (and all its member clubs) for not punishing Sion last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
No, because they won't be getting involved. Unless they they think the SFA are not handling it properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
They are saying exactly the right thing. That they are fully supportive of a member association and have complete confidence in their ability to deal with it correctly.
If the SFA stuff up then they will get involved very quickly but until then they say nothing and let the SFA do their thing.
Well it wouldn't be a second trial because the guilty verdict remains in place and was upheld on appeal - Rangers don't seem to be disputing that any more. It would be a case of commuting the sentence I suppose if you're following strict legal procedure and I don't know what the provisions are for that. I really don't think they have a valid argument anyway as the SFA rules do appear to have a catch-all clause that allows whatever punishment they deem appropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
It still looks to me like they're just trying to cause as much trouble as possible.
I think that you are crediting D&P with too much intelligence. I thought from day one that the were part of a conspiracy and still do. I also believe that Clark and Whitehouse are utterly incompetent, a view that is validated every time that they give a media interview.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
They remind me of that YouTube clip of the two villains that are handcuffed together and make their escape only to come to an hilarious end when they run round different sides of a lamppost.
There has been something odd about this from the start IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
I dont think they are trying to bring down Scottish football but they know full well that they cannot take this action in a civil court. It will kill Rangers.
Unless they are utterly brainless, they must know this.........so, is there another agenda?
We await the next move...:nerd:
:faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seveno
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Originally Posted by down-the-slope
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-18212287
BBC Scotland has decided to publish further evidence about a suspected conflict of interest concerning the administrators of Rangers.
oh dear...celebration dinners...succulent lamb I hopeQuote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
I think what is telling in that interview is the more awkward the question the more his left eye twitches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brando7
A clear sign of lies, or at best "truth avoidance".
"As stated .. the matter is now in the hands of our solicitors"Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
I didn't realise that solicitors had solicitors??? :confused:
Darlington have failed to obtain a CVA and have been dropped by FOUR divisions.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18209679
Let's all club together, buy it and put it in Sloop's garden.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
(Toppled over of course :greengrin)
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Originally Posted by StevieC
i thought people just say that to avoid answering searching questions :confused:
It's the biggest 'play for time' in history. The Bbc reveal was pretty damning. They should have their trophies removed and any knighthoods, cbe's, mbe's and obe's gained in the cheat years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
Someone should send this to the clown Doncaster since he likes citing English examples so often :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by jgl07
This has got "scam" written all over it - Murray needed a fall guy - step up Whyte, he appoints D & P (his advisors on the takeover) - they make £2million quid, dont give a jot about creditor's - they know SPL will not kick them out - next season it will all be forgotton and the Huns will be in the SPL - Murray and Whyte will be sipping champange with D&P - it really does stink.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brando7
Police should be involved NOW and checking mobile calls etc.
The saddest thing is that if this was any non Old Firm team - they would have been slaughtered by now bythe SPL / SFA.
The whole thing is a joke.
Are Rangers the only club in Britian who has not released a player since the end of the season? They must be secretly loaded.
Sorry if posted already - latest debacle-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-18212287
Due to the transfer embargo I dont think they are in a position to free anyone but I do find it strange that in 3 and a half months of administration they didn't release anyone. I smell a rat haha.
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Aye right Mr Grier. You knew absolutely nothing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-18212287
:fibber:
From Whyte to SDM and now, Duff & Duffer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Bear
Seems like everytime we tear off a veneer another layer of corruption is unearthed.
The next one? Ogilvie & the SFA?
Tomorrow EUFA?
The next day FIFA?
Where will it stop?
At least we know ET's a Hibby so we must have some clout in the Cosmos
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2012/05...6908-23873933/
today's daily record!
Firstly, green claiming he he an agreement with HMRC.
Secondly, saying he'll have a meeting with Lawell next week before the splmmeeting. Presumably Lawell will refuse to meet since it's disrespectful to the other ten clubs? No wait, I forgot, he's a hypocrite.
If it's comes to pass that RFC are no longer, where will their fan base go?
Here's my light-hearted guestimate ....
50% - live off the ghost of RFC
25% - 'Well/Falkirk/Killie
8% - Partick
6% - St J/Sheep/ICT
5% - HofM
4% - Other (Dundee/Dunfy/etc)
1% - Cambuslang
1% - Hibs
That 1% can **** right off :take thatQuote:
Originally Posted by snooky
RFC would start again a la AFC Wimbledon. "The Queens 11 2012" they would almost certainly call it.
I would imagine a large amount of them would simply start supporting Celtic. Once a glory hunter, always a glory hunter.
Hector better not be willing to give up OUR cash so easily.....Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
Meeting Lawell...well lets just see how the Celtic fans react to that..
The Ugly Sisters have always done that. it will be interesting to see if this is the usual stitch up or if Lawwell will stand by his earlier comments and do the right thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
FIFA prohibits a club to take its association to a civil court, so the appeal is flawed.
I actually know quite a few Rangers fans ho have a soft spot for the Hibbies for one reason or another. Whether that's good or bad I'm not so sure!?Quote:
Originally Posted by lyonhibs
In any case there will be a some sort of Rangers next season and I'd imagine the vast majority will follow the new version.
Rangers Tax-Case@rangerstaxcaseCan all previous Rangers managers explain all of the payments they received from the club after they were no longer employees?
I think every Celtic fan to a man wants RFC punished so Lawwell would be going against his supporters if he relented to Der HunQuote:
Originally Posted by Eyrie
I've a very good friend whose only flaw is being a hun. I know in his heart of hearts he wants to be a Hibby and would love to introduce him to the light side.Quote:
Originally Posted by lyonhibs
I might have been a tad concerned at this..... now that RFC have gone to court and totally jeopardised Celtic's Euro trips I think Green's gonna have an uphill struggle :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Eyrie
When will this happen? The Court Case that is.
A lot will depend on how squeaky-clean Celtc (and indeed all other SPL clubs) are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eyrie
Any of them with skeletons in the cupboard will take the route of least resistance for certain.
Mark Daly is on Sportsound now :thumbsup:
What have you got against the Juniors? :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by lyonhibs
Is everyone listening to Sportsound?
Even Chic Young has changed his tune...:greengrin
Although he's still blithering on about Scottish football needing Rangers...Quote:
Originally Posted by joe breezy
In the High Court in London yesterday , HMRC attempted to have the FA's "football creditor " rule overturned . They failed .Quote:
Originally Posted by down-the-slope
Whilst this has no direct bearing on REC, it.may make HMRC more belligerent ....
The Court of Session should throw out the case because Rangers have not exhausted the appeals procedure. This should have gone to the Court for Arbitration in Sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by BouncerRoss
Chic Young implicitly condoning Rangers criminal culpability, "If ye wur a guns an drugs dealer well, ye widnae jist hand in yer guns an drugs at Mount Florida jist cos they asked ye, wid ye?" The man's clearly a lunatic.
And then vomiting the tiresome 'Scottish football needs Rangers' mantra.
In words even he should understand: "NAW IT DOESNAE YA WEE MALADJUSTED HUN TROLL! Now away and find a therapist to sort out your Ibroxcentric Stockholm Syndrome"
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Originally Posted by Greentinted
Andy Goram an even bigger Hun Troll!
:agree: You have to question the motives of these guys. If the claim that less than 10% of the whole story has emerged thus far is true, I'd be keeping my head down and distancing myself as far as possible from this shambles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibees07
I had to switch it off cos of that twat, Jim Spence was being reasonable, Chic Young bleating that 40% of football fans in Scotland are HunsQuote:
Originally Posted by Greentinted
Can't see how anyone can see that as a good thing even if it were true
Hadn't seen that Crops - but its only in England that applies (otherwise Gers would have had more sanctions for the cash they owe other SPL clubs)Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
HMRC have to be quiet, out of respect for confidentiality. And any "deal" with them can't be any better than that for any other creditor.Quote:
Originally Posted by H18SVG
It was a tiny wee bit on page 2 of the Hootsmon.Quote:
Originally Posted by down-the-slope
Also here....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18208076
Yeah, I know it only applies in England, but it may have p'd HMRC off to the extent that they get even more humpty with nRFC.
HMRC were given leave to appeal though so not quite all over yet. Ridiculous rule in my humble opinion though.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Heres a thought why don't we buy them for £9M and turn Hunbrox into housing development?
I suspect that we will get them cheaper in a couple of weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by whiskyhibby
Copied this from RTC blog
http://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com/...#comment-99771
I hope this new revelations are as good as he is hintingQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Hmmm.Quote:
Originally Posted by bighairyfaeleith
Well, there was the suggestion that the BBC doc was going to accuse Murray of phone hacking McCann and co, was that just a rumour or did it have to be pulled? Doesn't sound juicy enough according to that post though, it suggests serious law breaking.
We've seen ex Gers managers appearing to get payments after leaving the club, Souness well timed with buying a Rangers player for Blackburn, so perhaps a bit of fraud and bungs going on there?
Given the rather strange lending policy Bank of Scotland seemed to have with Murray, pretty much everything cash wise at Rangers and MIM being a loan from them... That might seem the potentially 'nuclear' issue, if there's been some illegality behind all of Rangers cash in the background...
Your third option ties in with a story that I have heard about a possible criminal prosecution.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottB
If Rangers / MIM were basically insolvent but continued trading due to dodgy loans from BoS that would surely raise some charges...Quote:
Originally Posted by Seveno
Hearing that Steven Naismith will walk away and sign for Everton.
I not only blame David Murray for the state of Rangers but the state of scottish foolball as a whole, been looking at league tables from the mid80's to present day n i forgot how less a two horse race it used to be until murray started splashing the banks cash + using ETB's causing celtic to invest more n start bridging the gap to wot we have now
forgot how close the league used to be back in the day
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasons...ttish_football
yup.... and they stitched up the voting/prize pot split as well..... top 2 get 50% of the prize pot, it clearly makes it harder for "the rest" to get a toe hold at their level....... thats why I think a new TV deal might not be quite as bad as feared IF the prize money was shared more equally (obviously the winners getting more and the amounts stepping down but not the current 26% - 24% - 8% -7.5%- 6% or whatever it is)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brando7