Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Gus Fring]

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They could have ( D&P ) went to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. Unless there is a legal reason for not doing so, they could have appealed without sanction from FIFA or UEFA.

D&P chose not to do this but go to the Court of Session. They MUST know the consequences of this.....so it begs the question...why?

If they make the situation extremely difficult for Rangers it might perhaps make Liquidation more pallatable for the fans? They probably know a CVA isn't going to be agreed and this could be their best chance of saying

"Look, the clubs buggered, so rather than standing and taking all these punishments , lets just liquidate and start a newco and they canny touch us"

[Hibrandenburg]

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Either it's sheer incompetence, or most likely designed to lay the blame for the final demise of the quintessential British cheats at someone else's door.

Beat me to it.

[Caversham Green]

One very odd point about going to the Court of Session. Their argument is that the signing embargo sanction wasn't available to the SFA, not that it was inappropriate or too harsh. That means that if they were to win the case, the SFA couldn't suspend the embargo - because they weren't competent to apply it in the first place - so they would have to apply another sanction. They've already levied the maximum fines available so it seems that the only other sanctions would be suspension or expulsion of the club, which is something that the SFA have said they had already considered.

It almost seems like they are challenging the SFA to do their worst, which strikes me as a very dangerous game to play and given that there's a precedent for UEFA intervening with Sion/Switzerland it's not a game they can win. Are they really trying to bring down the whole of Scottish football?

[Liberal Hibby]

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It almost seems like they are challenging the SFA to do their worst, which strikes me as a very dangerous game to play and given that there's a precedent for UEFA intervening with Sion/Switzerland it's not a game they can win. Are they really trying to bring down the whole of Scottish football?

It reminds me of the Murdochs' (Snr and Jnr) performance at the Leveson enquiry - spray enough dirt around and bring as many people down with you.

[CropleyWasGod]

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One very odd point about going to the Court of Session. Their argument is that the signing embargo sanction wasn't available to the SFA, not that it was inappropriate or too harsh. That means that if they were to win the case, the SFA couldn't suspend the embargo - because they weren't competent to apply it in the first place - so they would have to apply another sanction. They've already levied the maximum fines available so it seems that the only other sanctions would be suspension or expulsion of the club, which is something that the SFA have said they had already considered.

It almost seems like they are challenging the SFA to do their worst, which strikes me as a very dangerous game to play and given that there's a precedent for UEFA intervening with Sion/Switzerland it's not a game they can win. Are they really trying to bring down the whole of Scottish football?

If the Court decides that the SFA weren't competent to apply the embargo, would that not mean that only the fines could stand? ie that the SFA couldn't go back and use another punishment, as that would be like being tried twice for the same crime. (and, yeah, I know Nat Fraser is on trial for the umpteenth time)

[lapsedhibee]

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It almost seems like they are challenging the SFA to do their worst, which strikes me as a very dangerous game to play and given that there's a precedent for UEFA intervening with Sion/Switzerland it's not a game they can win. Are they really trying to bring down the whole of Scottish football?

It's The Barton Manoeuvre. **** up really, really badly and on the way down and out try to take others with you so that your own ****-up doesn't seem quite so monstrous.

[Gus Fring]

Is there anything to be read into both UEFA and FIFA telling the BBC they won't be getting involved?

[JeMeSouviens]

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Is there anything to be read into both UEFA and FIFA telling the BBC they won't be getting involved?

They've said it's an SFA matter but you can bet your bottom $ they'll be watching in case the SFA **** it up. See the threatened suspension of the Swiss FA (and all its member clubs) for not punishing Sion last year.

[Ozyhibby]

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Is there anything to be read into both UEFA and FIFA telling the BBC they won't be getting involved?

No, because they won't be getting involved. Unless they they think the SFA are not handling it properly.
They are saying exactly the right thing. That they are fully supportive of a member association and have complete confidence in their ability to deal with it correctly.
If the SFA stuff up then they will get involved very quickly but until then they say nothing and let the SFA do their thing.

[Caversham Green]

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If the Court decides that the SFA weren't competent to apply the embargo, would that not mean that only the fines could stand? ie that the SFA couldn't go back and use another punishment, as that would be like being tried twice for the same crime. (and, yeah, I know Nat Fraser is on trial for the umpteenth time)

Well it wouldn't be a second trial because the guilty verdict remains in place and was upheld on appeal - Rangers don't seem to be disputing that any more. It would be a case of commuting the sentence I suppose if you're following strict legal procedure and I don't know what the provisions are for that. I really don't think they have a valid argument anyway as the SFA rules do appear to have a catch-all clause that allows whatever punishment they deem appropriate.

It still looks to me like they're just trying to cause as much trouble as possible.

[Seveno]

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One very odd point about going to the Court of Session. Their argument is that the signing embargo sanction wasn't available to the SFA, not that it was inappropriate or too harsh. That means that if they were to win the case, the SFA couldn't suspend the embargo - because they weren't competent to apply it in the first place - so they would have to apply another sanction. They've already levied the maximum fines available so it seems that the only other sanctions would be suspension or expulsion of the club, which is something that the SFA have said they had already considered.

It almost seems like they are challenging the SFA to do their worst, which strikes me as a very dangerous game to play and given that there's a precedent for UEFA intervening with Sion/Switzerland it's not a game they can win. Are they really trying to bring down the whole of Scottish football?

I think that you are crediting D&P with too much intelligence. I thought from day one that the were part of a conspiracy and still do. I also believe that Clark and Whitehouse are utterly incompetent, a view that is validated every time that they give a media interview.

They remind me of that YouTube clip of the two villains that are handcuffed together and make their escape only to come to an hilarious end when they run round different sides of a lamppost.

[SurferRosa]

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One very odd point about going to the Court of Session. Their argument is that the signing embargo sanction wasn't available to the SFA, not that it was inappropriate or too harsh. That means that if they were to win the case, the SFA couldn't suspend the embargo - because they weren't competent to apply it in the first place - so they would have to apply another sanction. They've already levied the maximum fines available so it seems that the only other sanctions would be suspension or expulsion of the club, which is something that the SFA have said they had already considered.

It almost seems like they are challenging the SFA to do their worst, which strikes me as a very dangerous game to play and given that there's a precedent for UEFA intervening with Sion/Switzerland it's not a game they can win. Are they really trying to bring down the whole of Scottish football?

There has been something odd about this from the start IMO.
I dont think they are trying to bring down Scottish football but they know full well that they cannot take this action in a civil court. It will kill Rangers.

Unless they are utterly brainless, they must know this.........so, is there another agenda?


We await the next move...

[SurferRosa]

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I think that you are crediting D&P with too much intelligence. I thought from day one that the were part of a conspiracy and still do. I also believe that Clark and Whitehouse are utterly incompetent, a view that is validated every time that they give a media interview.

They remind me of that YouTube clip of the two villains that are handcuffed together and make their escape only to come to an hilarious end when they run round different sides of a lamppost.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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: come on stop teasing......... will have to stay up now

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-18212287



BBC Scotland has decided to publish further evidence about a suspected conflict of interest concerning the administrators of Rangers.

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[down-the-slope]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-18212287



BBC Scotland has decided to publish further evidence about a suspected conflict of interest concerning the administrators of Rangers.

oh dear...celebration dinners...succulent lamb I hope

[StevieC]

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full interview with Rangers administrator David Grier

http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/103109-i...terest-claims/

I think what is telling in that interview is the more awkward the question the more his left eye twitches.
A clear sign of lies, or at best "truth avoidance".

[StevieC]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-18212287[/FONT][/COLOR]

"As stated .. the matter is now in the hands of our solicitors"

I didn't realise that solicitors had solicitors???

[jgl07]

Darlington have failed to obtain a CVA and have been dropped by FOUR divisions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18209679

[snooky]

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The statue of John Greig must be worth a couple of quid to a scrappy.

Let's all club together, buy it and put it in Sloop's garden.

(Toppled over of course )

[cabbageandribs1875]

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"As stated .. the matter is now in the hands of our solicitors"

I didn't realise that solicitors had solicitors???

i thought people just say that to avoid answering searching questions

[StokePogesHibs]

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One very odd point about going to the Court of Session. Their argument is that the signing embargo sanction wasn't available to the SFA, not that it was inappropriate or too harsh. That means that if they were to win the case, the SFA couldn't suspend the embargo - because they weren't competent to apply it in the first place - so they would have to apply another sanction. They've already levied the maximum fines available so it seems that the only other sanctions would be suspension or expulsion of the club, which is something that the SFA have said they had already considered.

It almost seems like they are challenging the SFA to do their worst, which strikes me as a very dangerous game to play and given that there's a precedent for UEFA intervening with Sion/Switzerland it's not a game they can win. Are they really trying to bring down the whole of Scottish football?

It's the biggest 'play for time' in history. The Bbc reveal was pretty damning. They should have their trophies removed and any knighthoods, cbe's, mbe's and obe's gained in the cheat years.

[Steve-O]

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Darlington have failed to obtain a CVA and have been dropped by FOUR divisions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18209679

Someone should send this to the clown Doncaster since he likes citing English examples so often

[DarlingtonHibee]

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full interview with Rangers administrator David Grier

http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/103109-i...terest-claims/

This has got "scam" written all over it - Murray needed a fall guy - step up Whyte, he appoints D & P (his advisors on the takeover) - they make £2million quid, dont give a jot about creditor's - they know SPL will not kick them out - next season it will all be forgotton and the Huns will be in the SPL - Murray and Whyte will be sipping champange with D&P - it really does stink.

Police should be involved NOW and checking mobile calls etc.

The saddest thing is that if this was any non Old Firm team - they would have been slaughtered by now bythe SPL / SFA.

The whole thing is a joke.

[Ozyhibby]

Are Rangers the only club in Britian who has not released a player since the end of the season? They must be secretly loaded.

[DarlingtonHibee]

Sorry if posted already - latest debacle-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-18212287

[Brooster]

Due to the transfer embargo I dont think they are in a position to free anyone but I do find it strange that in 3 and a half months of administration they didn't release anyone. I smell a rat haha.

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Are Rangers the only club in Britian who has not released a player since the end of the season? They must be secretly loaded.

[Golden Bear]

Aye right Mr Grier. You knew absolutely nothing.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-18212287

[snooky]

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Aye right Mr Grier. You knew absolutely nothing.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-18212287

From Whyte to SDM and now, Duff & Duffer.
Seems like everytime we tear off a veneer another layer of corruption is unearthed.
The next one? Ogilvie & the SFA?
Tomorrow EUFA?
The next day FIFA?
Where will it stop?
At least we know ET's a Hibby so we must have some clout in the Cosmos

[McD]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2012/05...6908-23873933/


today's daily record!

Firstly, green claiming he he an agreement with HMRC.

Secondly, saying he'll have a meeting with Lawell next week before the splmmeeting. Presumably Lawell will refuse to meet since it's disrespectful to the other ten clubs? No wait, I forgot, he's a hypocrite.