The generic Hearts thread

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Originally Posted by franck sauzee

Was the idea not to pay out prize money based on the lowest possible finish and then top up later on as the positions are finalised

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The prize money for the lowest possible finish has already been paid out.

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Originally Posted by PatHead

Firstly I want Hearts to be relegated.

On reading the statement I think she is being diplomatic. Does anyone really think reconstruction should be dismissed without finding out what is on offer? It may be that an 18 or 16 team league is proposed with play offs similar to rugby league. Sky offer to increase their offer by millions. Might not be what we want but it would provide excitement. Let's have the discussion then vote on it.
The right answer with Hearts being relegated could still happen.
Unlikely but what happens if every country in Europe managed to finish their league and we have jumped the gun. Unlikely but it could happen. I would rather we didn't have to do a uturn like Belgium.
The liklihood is that the season will not be completed but why rush into a decision without having all the facts?
Let them squirm a bit longer, see some hope and then vote for them to be relegated.

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Belgium has not done a U turn!!!

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

The prize money for the lowest possible finish has already been paid out.

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No it’s not. The prize money for the three teams guaranteed to make the top 6 has been paid out. The rest got an equal share.

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Originally Posted by Lee Marvin

Firstly, we are not finishing the season. It's just not happening despite everyone wanting that.

They will eventually call the leagues as it's the only option, at which point reconstruction will be put to a vote.

Why would hibs voting to do so benefit Hibs?

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Reconstruction will not be put to a vote as it couldn't be done in the time involved.It won't happen.

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Originally Posted by 90+2

No it’s not. The prize money for the three teams guaranteed to make the top 6 has been paid out. The rest got an equal share.

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Difference between 7th and 4th is £400k
7th and 5th is £200k, could be the difference in paying some of the deferred payments, without it coming out of next years budget

We just to think about us

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Originally Posted by weecounty hibby

And is exactly what I'm getting at with my post. They seem to believe they are untouchable no matter what they do, they seem to think they are special, they seem to think rules do not apply to them no matter the situation, they seem to believe that every one should be grateful to them for something.
**** them as a club and **** every last one if their delusional support. As a collective they are as thick as **** and have no sense if reality.
Them going down is the ONLY right and fair decision. I have said it over many threads they are not only the worst team this season but for the last 12 months where football was played. If anyone ever deserves to go down it those poppy theiving *******s

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Hearts getting relegated just isn’t going to happen. The media campaign for reconstruction literally started the second the league was suspended. The media pressure from Rangers and Hearts media supporters and apologists will put pressure on the authorities to do their bidding as usual and the other clubs will buckle. Dempster. is already softening up the Hibs fans for such a scenario.

Their ‘fairness’ towards Hearts will lead to a 14 team league which will of course completely ignore the ‘unfairness’ to the 3rd anf 4th teams in the Championship play off positions. THAT is Scottish football.

What’s clear is that there hasn’t been enough (any) consultation with the clubs.

Looks like it’s a “Here’s two options for you to vote for. BTW, no.1 is a right **** storm.”

It may not pass for this reason. Doesn’t mean it won’t ultimately come to calling the league over, and relegating herts. Just not right now.

My reading is this is what LD is saying, that Hibs shouldn't get bounced into a decision without a better, more informed discussion.

It does look like a bit of a mess. For example, what happens if leagues 1&2 vote for early termination, but the Championship vote against?

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Originally Posted by ancient hibee

Reconstruction will not be put to a vote as it couldn't be done in the time involved.It won't happen.

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If that's the case then good, this is no issue here and everyone (myself included) can calm down. The leagues will be called and hibs wont have to run the risk alienating their fans.

I suspect there will be a discussion around it but hopefully, like you say, there will not be a vote

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Originally Posted by Sammy7nil

Quote from Jambos Way back :rolleyes:

"Hearts are a club with a glorious history of trying to do the right thing, most of the time, during war and peace. What have we done to these people to attract this venom?
I’m not one for holding grudges, generally, but if this stitch up succeeds, I won’t set a foot inside another Scottish ground unless Hearts can gain financially from it. It’s time to take a stand against this.

Just because you’re paranoid, it doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you. "

Oh dear where to start.

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Do the right thing then Hearts: accept your medicine.

Threatening legal action at this time is precisely the definition on doing the wrong thing.

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

Difference between 7th and 4th is £400k
7th and 5th is £200k, could be the difference in paying some of the deferred payments, without it coming out of next years budget

We just to think about us

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We aren’t voting for the league to stop though.

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Originally Posted by Springbank

It comes down to money.

If Hibs are saying "let's not rush this" then that is because we can afford to do that....

..but Hearts & Rangers cant afford to hold on.

They need to pay staff & overheads in May.


They dont have cash in the bank to make payment.
They *need* the SPFL cash in April.

So the 2 clubs with most to lose here, are the 2 clubs who cant afford the time to debate it.

It will be either Hearts, or Rangers, who will make the distressed phone call to the SPFL later this month saying "ok, ok, whatever it takes, just give us the money, please"

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This is why so many fans, not just Hibs fans are angry. The 2 teams who went bust only 7 years ago by constantly trying to buy success, are almost bust again! Once can MAYBE be seen as mismanagement from last owners BUT TWICE. Blatant cheating of the highest order. Not only that, wanting leagues voided or reconstructed, but payment of prize money before doing so, & some on here wonder why we want them down! FFS, they’re putting THEMSELVES down. It shouldn’t even be open for debate. Remember, this is the club that tried to KILL us. I am amazed that ANY fan or board member with the clubs best interests at heart would help them in any way. It’s total nonsense that we need Hearts in any way. Yes, I’d miss the Derby’s, there special occasions. But if Hearts struggling makes it easier for Hibs to be successful, I’ll settle for that.

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Originally Posted by Hibernianinc

What’s clear is that there hasn’t been enough (any) consultation with the clubs.

Looks like it’s a “Here’s two options for you to vote for. BTW, no.1 is a right **** storm.”

It may not pass for this reason. Doesn’t mean it won’t ultimately come to calling the league over, and relegating herts. Just not right now.

My reading is this is what LD is saying, that Hibs shouldn't get bounced into a decision without a better, more informed discussion.

It does look like a bit of a mess. For example, what happens if leagues 1&2 vote for early termination, but the Championship vote against?

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Surely, the better, more informed discussion on the league ending will take place at a later date? This isn’t about the Prem ending, it’s the lower leagues for teams that desperately need money now.

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Originally Posted by munchar

This is why so many fans, not just Hibs fans are angry. The 2 teams who went bust only 7 years ago by constantly trying to buy success, are almost bust again! Once can MAYBE be seen as mismanagement from last owners BUT TWICE. Blatant cheating of the highest order. Not only that, wanting leagues voided or reconstructed, but payment of prize money before doing so, & some on here wonder why we want them down! FFS, they’re putting THEMSELVES down. It shouldn’t even be open for debate. Remember, this is the club that tried to KILL us. I am amazed that ANY fan or board member with the clubs best interests at heart would help them in any way. It’s total nonsense that we need Hearts in any way. Yes, I’d miss the Derby’s, there special occasions. But if Hearts struggling makes it easier for Hibs to be successful, I’ll settle for that.

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Spot on.

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Originally Posted by 90+2

Surely, the better, more informed discussion on the league ending will take place at a later date? This isn’t about the Prem ending, it’s the lower leagues for teams that desperately need money now.

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Not if they vote for it.

If there are 9 'Yays' then the Prem ends, the minute UEFA rubber stamp it.

Then you have a chat about what next season looks like......

hearts deserve to be relegated, they are bottom of the league for a reason

they are *****

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Originally Posted by Hibernianinc

Not if they vote for it.

If there are 9 'Yays' then the Prem ends, the minute UEFA rubber stamp it.

Then you have a chat about what next season looks like......

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Not if the clubs are against the season ending even if Uefa rubber stamp it. A lot of clubs in the top league have made it clear they prefer the season to be concluded. The SPFL is the clubs, so the clubs will decide this and not the SPFL board (where the huns have representation also).

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

I can’t believe the amount of HIBS fans making threats against the club
We’ll vote what suits us, and not anyone else

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For me it’s the drip, drip effect of Hibs as doormats in Scottish football. We pay our money then discover that for years Rangers were cheating, lying to the authorities and then the authorities are complicit in the whitewash. When the call comes for an independent inquiry into the SFA’s handling of the ebt scandal the compromised Petrie and Ms Dempster with unseemly haste decide it is time to move on. Hibs just accept it

Corrupt Romanov funds Hearts with a bloated squad on fantasy wages he was never going to pay. They ‘soldier’ on whils clearly insolvent with no interference from authorities. Beating us in a final with players bought on the never never. Hibs say nothing, we just accept it.

Now in the most difficult of circumstances clubs like Hearts are squirming desperately and blatantly to take advantage of the situation and save their own skin. I have a feeling Dempster will be complicit in this endeavour. Hibs yet again just accepting their ****

Some Hibs fans, perhaps tired and cynical like me, have maybe just had enough of this corrupt entity we call Scottish football. I have paid my season ticket already but if what I suspect comes to pass, I will have severe buyers regret.

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Originally Posted by munchar

This is my take on it:

It would be best for EVERYONE, not Hibs or Hearts etc, but the whole of Scottish football if we can finish the season. Then there’s no ifs & buts. Best team wins, worst relegated. Realistically, there seems to be no quick end to this pandemic. The only option may be to play behind closed doors? Clubs don’t want this because of lost income. Extend the season? Clubs will have players out of contract who they may not want or be able to afford to keep on, but leaves them short of numbers. Especially lower league clubs, who probably have targets already identified & agreed for next season. Clubs are also reliant on prize money which will be budgeted for. Even if it’s last prize. Again, this could be the difference of smaller clubs staying afloat or ultimately folding! It looks like the tv deal is in place, worth millions. Will this become null & void if we decide to change our structure? Or is there pressure being put on to keep all the bigger teams together for tv purposes? Logically, we should do our utmost to put next season on hold & finish this season whenever that may be. If we have to play 2/3 times weekly to catch up, so be it. They’re athletes. As said previously though, MOST clubs NEED their prize money to survive. Release some players to cut the wage bill, plan for next season. None of this can happen with the uncertainty. If we can’t start back by July/August, it should be unanimously agreed that there is no alternative but to finish as it stands. In the meantime, I’m sure we can pay all the clubs the minimum payment of last place to keep ticking over. Reconstruction etc is a disgrace, as it’s never been mentioned until now. You can’t award titles to the current best teams but not relegate the current worst teams? Play offs are different. These teams only might have a chance of success. Partick I’d feel sorry for, as they have a game in hand for safety, but the tables don’t lie. It’s not 8 games into the season where it’s a false table, but 8 to go, where nothing much is likely to change. Rangers, Hearts, Patrick, Falkirk etc are unfortunate, but all have had roughly 30 games to put themselves in a better position. Unfair they may say, but the world is unfair just now.

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The Sky TV deal for next season was agreed and it did not have any conditions such as Hertz must be in the SPL, so lets NOT put that deal in any way "at risk" trying to save/accommodate Hertz!!

We have done our bit for them in any event, 50% of their total wins in the SPL were against us AND both at ER. Of the other 11 clubs in the SPL Hibs have helped them much more than any other, so do not even consider a vote for reconstruction.

Agree with you re Partick, Falkirk NO they can GTF.

The Huns & their wee cousins are trying to rock the boat (for different reasons and are best ignored.

There will be NO games in June the league must finish now and we prepare for next season.

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

Hearts getting relegated just isn’t going to happen. The media campaign for reconstruction literally started the second the league was suspended. The media pressure from Rangers and Hearts media supporters and apologists will put pressure on the authorities to do their bidding as usual and the other clubs will buckle. Dempster. is already softening up the Hibs fans for such a scenario.

Their ‘fairness’ towards Hearts will lead to a 14 team league which will of course completely ignore the ‘unfairness’ to the 3rd anf 4th teams in the Championship play off positions. THAT is Scottish football.

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And it will be called the Scottish Premiership - a brand new league competition, with new TV deal - and deny Celtic the opportunity to win their coveted 10 in a Row :greengrin

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Originally Posted by 90+2

Not if the clubs are against the season ending even if Uefa rubber stamp it. A lot of clubs in the top league have made it clear they prefer the season to be concluded. The SPFL is the clubs, so the clubs will decide this and not the SPFL board (where the huns have representation also).

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We're agreeing.

It's over if the clubs vote for it. It's not if they don't.

This is a call for the clubs. What LD is saying is 'Do we have to decide now?"

The Board have linked payments to the decision, which may be contractual. This may force the hand of some....

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

For me it’s the drip, drip effect of Hibs as doormats in Scottish football. We pay our money then discover that for years Rangers were cheating, lying to the authorities and then the authorities are complicit in the whitewash. When the call comes for an independent inquiry into the SFA’s handling of the ebt scandal the compromised Petrie and Ms Dempster with unseemly haste decide it is time to move on. Hibs just accept it

Corrupt Romanov funds Hearts with a bloated squad on fantasy wages he was never going to pay. They ‘soldier’ on whils clearly insolvent with no interference from authorities. Beating us in a final with players bought on the never never. Hibs say nothing, we just accept it.

Now in the most difficult of circumstances clubs like Hearts are squirming desperately and blatantly to take advantage of the situation and save their own skin. I have a feeling Dempster will be complicit in this endeavour. Hibs yet again just accepting their ****

Some Hibs fans, perhaps tired and cynical like me, have maybe just had enough of this corrupt entity we call Scottish football. I have paid my season ticket already but if what I suspect comes to pass, I will have severe buyers regret.

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Good post Spike

Reconstruction won’t happen. Sky have signed a deal for 4 old firm games a season. Tv deal is everything to the premier league. Sky don’t want to show Inverness against Ross county

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

For me it’s the drip, drip effect of Hibs as doormats in Scottish football. We pay our money then discover that for years Rangers were cheating, lying to the authorities and then the authorities are complicit in the whitewash. When the call comes for an independent inquiry into the SFA’s handling of the ebt scandal the compromised Petrie and Ms Dempster with unseemly haste decide it is time to move on. Hibs just accept it

Corrupt Romanov funds Hearts with a bloated squad on fantasy wages he was never going to pay. They ‘soldier’ on whils clearly insolvent with no interference from authorities. Beating us in a final with players bought on the never never. Hibs say nothing, we just accept it.

Now in the most difficult of circumstances clubs like Hearts are squirming desperately and blatantly to take advantage of the situation and save their own skin. I have a feeling Dempster will be complicit in this endeavour. Hibs yet again just accepting their ****

Some Hibs fans, perhaps tired and cynical like me, have maybe just had enough of this corrupt entity we call Scottish football. I have paid my season ticket already but if what I suspect comes to pass, I will have severe buyers regret.

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Summed up perfectly. [emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]


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I would love it if after all this fuss we agreed to finish the season whenever we can and after that Hearts get relegated anyway.

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

Difference between 7th and 4th is £400k
7th and 5th is £200k, could be the difference in paying some of the deferred payments, without it coming out of next years budget

We just to think about us

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We have had our chance to catch Livi/Aberdeen and ****ed it up just as the Hertz had their chances to catch teams above them!

The season is done, no "behind closed doors" games, or further delays to decisions will help resolve/change this!

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Originally Posted by 90+2

Not if the clubs are against the season ending even if Uefa rubber stamp it. A lot of clubs in the top league have made it clear they prefer the season to be concluded. The SPFL is the clubs, so the clubs will decide this and not the SPFL board (where the huns have representation also).

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So it’s all about Hearts & The Rangers, not Scottish football as a whole. They 2 want to continue, even though the majority of clubs in Scotland can’t survive financially? Why don’t the powers that be release a statement saying both they clubs have a massive fan base, no bank debt, so no need to be in this financial position. When your signing £7million players, or giving wages of 8k & 6k on long term deals, did you not realise you couldn’t sustain it without success? ***** them both! Take your medicine like the rest of us have had to do in the past.

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

Hearts getting relegated just isn’t going to happen. The media campaign for reconstruction literally started the second the league was suspended. The media pressure from Rangers and Hearts media supporters and apologists will put pressure on the authorities to do their bidding as usual and the other clubs will buckle. Dempster. is already softening up the Hibs fans for such a scenario.

Their ‘fairness’ towards Hearts will lead to a 14 team league which will of course completely ignore the ‘unfairness’ to the 3rd anf 4th teams in the Championship play off positions. THAT is Scottish football.

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I really cant see reconstruction being an option the majority will vote for. Livi, Hamilton, RC, Killie, Mwell all need 3 or 4 OF games a season to survive and probably more inportantly the TV companies aren't going to be keen on limited OF games.

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Originally Posted by Hibernianinc

We're agreeing.

It's over if the clubs vote for it. It's not if they don't.

This is a call for the clubs. What LD is saying is 'Do we have to decide now?"

The Board have linked payments to the decision, which may be contractual. This may force the hand of some....

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It’s not over for the Prem’ if the clubs vote this going through tomorrow. I believe that will go to a separate vote or at the very least when there’s medical and scientific evidence that the league won’t be concluded by July. We need to start the new season as close to Aug as possible for the Sky deal. They aren’t just going to say “aye just play the remaining games from last year in aug, BT can show them lads”

Another thought.

If we do string it out and then vote for reconstruction, then we’ll probably be sharing Tv and sponsorship money with 13 other teams rather than 11. That won’t benefit any of the other Premiership teams other than a ‘saved’ Hertz, who would still get more than they would in the Championship.

That may well play into several clubs thinking, especially those with a much lower budget like St Mirren or Hamilton.

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Originally Posted by munchar

This is why so many fans, not just Hibs fans are angry. The 2 teams who went bust only 7 years ago by constantly trying to buy success, are almost bust again! Once can MAYBE be seen as mismanagement from last owners BUT TWICE. Blatant cheating of the highest order. Not only that, wanting leagues voided or reconstructed, but payment of prize money before doing so, & some on here wonder why we want them down! FFS, they’re putting THEMSELVES down. It shouldn’t even be open for debate. Remember, this is the club that tried to KILL us. I am amazed that ANY fan or board member with the clubs best interests at heart would help them in any way. It’s total nonsense that we need Hearts in any way. Yes, I’d miss the Derby’s, there special occasions. But if Hearts struggling makes it easier for Hibs to be successful, I’ll settle for that.

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Couldn't have put it better myself.

Let them off the hook and they resume cheating once again.

The cheating that will then have a detrimental effect upon Hibs, due to missing out on players, lower league position, poorer results - as previous occasions have shown.

A weaker Hearts/Huns equal more chance of success.

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Originally Posted by munchar

So it’s all about Hearts & The Rangers, not Scottish football as a whole. They 2 want to continue, even though the majority of clubs in Scotland can’t survive financially? Why don’t the powers that be release a statement saying both they clubs have a massive fan base, no bank debt, so no need to be in this financial position. When your signing £7million players, or giving wages of 8k & 6k on long term deals, did you not realise you couldn’t sustain it without success? ***** them both! Take your medicine like the rest of us have had to do in the past.

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The majority of the Prem would like to conclude the season. I think the lower leagues need the cash now that’s why the vote is for the lower leagues only.

The rest, when it is decided and declared the season won’t be able to continue at a later date, I completely agree with. Hearts and huns want the league to continue but want cash now. They as usual want best of both worlds and spout **** the loudest.

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

For me it’s the drip, drip effect of Hibs as doormats in Scottish football. We pay our money then discover that for years Rangers were cheating, lying to the authorities and then the authorities are complicit in the whitewash. When the call comes for an independent inquiry into the SFA’s handling of the ebt scandal the compromised Petrie and Ms Dempster with unseemly haste decide it is time to move on. Hibs just accept it

Corrupt Romanov funds Hearts with a bloated squad on fantasy wages he was never going to pay. They ‘soldier’ on whils clearly insolvent with no interference from authorities. Beating us in a final with players bought on the never never. Hibs say nothing, we just accept it.

Now in the most difficult of circumstances clubs like Hearts are squirming desperately and blatantly to take advantage of the situation and save their own skin. I have a feeling Dempster will be complicit in this endeavour. Hibs yet again just accepting their ****

Some Hibs fans, perhaps tired and cynical like me, have maybe just had enough of this corrupt entity we call Scottish football. I have paid my season ticket already but if what I suspect comes to pass, I will have severe buyers regret.

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Really good post.

Sadly I think this is very close to where we'll end up, it chips away at my enjoyment of the league the club I love play in.



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Both big huns and wee huns can go and fling ***** at themselves

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Originally Posted by JohnM1875

From the Guardian. Lovely stuff;

"The Scottish Professional Football League aims to crown Celtic as champions and relegate Heart of Midlothian after 23 April, the earliest date Uefa is willing to accept for the abandonment of top divisions.A meeting between the league’s board and clubs on Wednesday resulted in the recommendation of a resolution for a vote in each of the four divisions on whether to end their season as it stands, with places allocated on an average points-per-game basis.

Nine of the 12 Premiership clubs would need to vote in favour, and the SPFL, having canvassed opinion, is understood to be fully confident of it passing. Votes will be collated before the start of next week.

A subsequent delay in abandoning the top-flight campaign would then be expected in order to follow Uefa guidance. The European game’s governing body has warned of possible restrictions to Champions League and Europa League entry if member associations abandon seasons prematurely. The SPFL does not regard that as a serious risk but is anxious not to antagonise Uefa.

The Hearts owner, Ann Budge, has spoken of legal action should the league demote her club, who are four points adrift with eight games to play. Rangers have publicly spoken out against any early finish to the campaign and did so again on Wednesday afternoon.







“It is abhorrent that certain clubs could be unfairly relegated if the current SPFL proposals were implemented,” read an Ibrox statement, which added: “The consequences of forcing through change without due care and attention will have severe consequences for the Scottish game.”
Rangers insist “the 2019-20 season is only complete when all 38 games have been played to a finish”.

Under the average-points plan, only Hibernian and St Johnstone – currently sixth and seventh respectively – would change places.
Dundee United will be promoted to Scotland’s top division if Championship clubs pass their element of the resolution. That element may hold the key to the SPFL’s plans, with several clubs considering their options. It also irked Championship boards that the league issued a statement as their occasionally feisty round of talks were ongoing.

The bottom two divisions are expected to back an immediate end to their seasons, with 15 from 20 needing to agree in a combined vote. Brechin City, otherwise consigned to a play-off to save their spot in League Two, would be saved.

One glimmer of hope for Hearts - and Partick Thistle, who would be relegated from the Championship - came in an SPFL statement. “If the resolution is approved, the SPFL has also committed to consulting with clubs over the possibility of league restructuring ahead of season 2020-21,” it read. That prospect, primarily of a 14-team Premiership as mooted by Budge on Wednesday, is currently viewed by insiders as remote.
Numerous clubs across Scotland have been keen for the season to be defined so as to release prize money, issued on the basis of placings.
Neil Doncaster, the league’s chief executive, said: “We are keen to work with Uefa and remain in discussion with them over the situation in Scotland. The quicker we reach a final position the better.”

Clubs were informed of a necessity to start the 2020-21 Premiership season on the first Saturday in August, as part of Sky Sports’ new and exclusive live television deal. That campaign has therefore been granted priority, even though there is no guarantee of football in early August.
The Scottish FA hopes to complete the 2019-20 Scottish Cup, currently at the semi-final phase, possibly as the opening games of “next” season.

Aberdeen, fourth in the Premiership, would have a possible route to the Europa League only via the cup but it is understood they could instead be put forward by the Scottish FA on the basis of league position"

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So their hopes rest on US voting against, due to finishing 7th not 6th what would those mutants say......PLEASING.

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Originally Posted by 90+2

Spot on.

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Yup relegate the thieves and cheats.

How can we finish this season when players have not kicked a ball in earnest for nearly four weeks ? there have been warnings that players will be injured as they would need a pre season to get up to full fitness again, this would be after the lock down is finished whenever that is and you must have every player tested on the day of the game that they are not carrying the virus ! Let's face it it's not going to happen anytime soon and to try and extend the season means you upset the new SKY deal that is due to start next August with a twelve team league.

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Originally Posted by greenpaper55

How can we finish this season when players have not kicked a ball in earnest for nearly four weeks ? there have been warnings that players will be injured as they would need a pre season to get up to full fitness again, this would be after the lock down is finished whenever that is and you must have every player tested on the day of the game that they are not carrying the virus ! Let's face it it's not going to happen anytime soon and to try and extend the season means you upset the new SKY deal that is due to start next August with a twelve team league.

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All true and logical. But let’s vote against ending the lower leagues right away in case it might scupper a miracle in the season being played out in the next couple of months with unfit players and depleted squads.

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Originally Posted by 90+2

It’s not over for the Prem’ if the clubs vote this going through tomorrow. I believe that will go to a separate vote or at the very least when there’s medical and scientific evidence that the league won’t be concluded by July. We need to start the new season as close to Aug as possible for the Sky deal. They aren’t just going to say “aye just play the remaining games from last year in aug, BT can show them lads”

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Again, agree re the 2nd bit.

But, if the clubs votes 'yes' tomorrow I can't see how they'd re-run the vote, unless UEFA influence.

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Originally Posted by Since452

Both big huns and wee huns can go and fling ***** at themselves

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That made me laugh more than it should!!:greengrin

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Originally Posted by Hibernianinc

Again, agree re the 2nd bit.

But, if the clubs votes 'yes' tomorrow I can't see how they'd re-run the vote, unless UEFA influence.

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I think it would be the fairest way when it’s confirmed the season couldn’t reach any kind of natural conclusion. The SPFL board aren’t going to upset the majority of the league who want it concluded without any kind of vote or at least evidence it can’t be concluded by Aug.

Hearts relegated yet?

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Originally Posted by 90+2

The majority of the Prem would like to conclude the season. I think the lower leagues need the cash now that’s why the vote is for the lower leagues only.

The rest, when it is decided and declared the season won’t be able to continue at a later date, I completely agree with. Hearts and huns want the league to continue but want cash now. They as usual want best of both worlds and spout **** the loudest.

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The vote is for all leagues at least that's my reading of it.
The spfl then do not need to go back to the premier clubs to make the final call on the premier league . They have the vote and power. Like others I think it will be called after the 23rd April .
I have not read anything to suggest other premier clubs want to stagger on blindly.

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Can you imagine those 2 teams having the cheek to talk about integrity & morals 😱

Why is there not a team calling them out and making a statement to put them in there place

Rangers are never catching Celtic, and Hearts have been the worst team in Scotland for a year &1/2

I wish it was possible for Celtic to dig there heals in and insist that the games should be played, forget next season - put Rangers and Hearts in their place.
If Scottish fitba allow Hearts to weasel out of the drop I may give up on fitba, if it's league reconstruction it has to be 3up and 1 down

Remember Levein wishing that the ball hadn't crossed the line at Tynie coz that would have made the decision to award their goal even sweeter, karmas a bitch, I hope they **** get relegated then I hope they go out of business then I hope auld bagpuss falls a sleep on her Hearts cushion in her big windae for the next 40 years

Integrity, morals, can't believe what I'm hearing from those *****

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The vote is for all leagues at least that's my reading of it.
The spfl then do not need to go back to the premier clubs to make the final call on the premier league . They have the vote and power. Like others I think it will be called after the 23rd April .
I have not read anything to suggest other premier clubs want to stagger on blindly.

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It’s a vote on the lower leagues season to end. It’s nothing to do with the Prem season ending. I’ve listened to various chairman and officials from most clubs indicating they want the season to be concluded. That will be decided at a later date.

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Text from my mate I wont take the credit

Can you imagine those 2 teams having the cheek to talk about integrity & morals 😱

Why is there not a team calling them out and making a statement to put them in there place

Rangers are never catching Celtic, and Hearts have been the worst team in Scotland for a year &1/2

I wish it was possible for Celtic to dig there heals in and insist that the games should be played, forget next season - put Rangers and Hearts in their place.
If Scottish fitba allow Hearts to weasel out of the drop I may give up on fitba, if it's league reconstruction it has to be 3up and 1 down

Remember Levein wishing that the ball hadn't crossed the line at Tynie coz that would have made the decision to award their goal even sweeter, karmas a bitch, I hope they **** get relegated then I hope they go out of business then I hope auld bagpuss falls a sleep on her Hearts cushion in her big windae for the next 40 years



Integrity, morals, can't believe what I'm hearing from those *****

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Nice one Sammy (and your mate).

Send 'em down!

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Absolutely

Dempeter gives it a bit thought and decides reconstructing the leaugue is out because we have agreed a deal for next year with sky which has to include 4 OF games, UEFA need to know by April 23rd and Dundee United have already been promoted.

I can see no other viable solution, send them down!

Does anyone think there will be the slightest bit of humility from them if they are saved from the drop?

Not a chance.

They will be celebrating like **** and laughing in our faces.

Send 'em down

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Dempeter gives it a bit thought and decides reconstructing the leaugue is out because we have agreed a deal for next year with sky which has to include 4 OF games, UEFA need to know by April 23rd and Dundee United have already been promoted.

I can see no other viable solution, send them down!

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Which imo is more than likely going to be the outcome.

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Text from my mate I wont take the credit

Can you imagine those 2 teams having the cheek to talk about integrity & morals 😱

Why is there not a team calling them out and making a statement to put them in there place

Rangers are never catching Celtic, and Hearts have been the worst team in Scotland for a year &1/2

I wish it was possible for Celtic to dig there heals in and insist that the games should be played, forget next season - put Rangers and Hearts in their place.
If Scottish fitba allow Hearts to weasel out of the drop I may give up on fitba, if it's league reconstruction it has to be 3up and 1 down

Remember Levein wishing that the ball hadn't crossed the line at Tynie coz that would have made the decision to award their goal even sweeter, karmas a bitch, I hope they **** get relegated then I hope they go out of business then I hope auld bagpuss falls a sleep on her Hearts cushion in her big windae for the next 40 years

Integrity, morals, can't believe what I'm hearing from those *****

PEOPLE IN GLASS CURTAINS SHOULD NEVER THROW STONES‎

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Post of the year (so far). 😂😂😂

When will we hear the outcome of this vote?

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Monday I would guess. Keep us all waiting over the weekend.

Jambos Kickback raging that Livingston are voting to end the season as is relegating Hearts despite them taking the third largest away support to Livi.

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It’s a vote on the lower leagues season to end. It’s nothing to do with the Prem season ending. I’ve listened to various chairman and officials from most clubs indicating they want the season to be concluded. That will be decided at a later date.

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Have you read the guardian article? It says that the vote is for all 4 leagues but calling the prem over will be delayed so as to be seen as following uefa guidance. But the decision will have been made.

That's my take on it anyway.

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Have you read the guardian article? It says that the vote is for all 4 leagues but calling the prem over will be delayed so as to be seen as following uefa guidance. But the decision will have been made.

That's my take on it anyway.

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UEFA guidance may possibly be to play the games behind closed doors though, something the lower league sides can’t do. If there’s no possibility of the league finishing as guided by UEFA then voting the resolution through would be our only option apart from voiding the league.

Going by the skysports video she looks like she has given up.

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I got the impression she’s confident it won’t go through.

Sky sports video I saw Budge says she’s spoken to clubs in premier and championship and doesn’t think the vote will go through.

Aye, Budgie reckons it’s not happening. Think we’re going to have to deal with the fact that this proposal isn’t going to pass on Friday.

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Sky sports video I saw Budge says she’s spoken to clubs in premier and championship and doesn’t think the vote will go through.

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I see her saying that but every part of her looks broken.

She has been begging to other clubs. Desperate measures for a desperate old lady. I bet she looks back to the days when she was the darling of Scottish football, in fact chic young and co had her as the new Scottish football supremo 😂😂😂

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Aye, Budgie reckons it’s not happening. Think we’re going to have to deal with the fact that this proposal isn’t going to pass on Friday.

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Livi put out a perfect statement explaining their decision, I hope to hell we do too.

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Aye, Budgie reckons it’s not happening. Think we’re going to have to deal with the fact that this proposal isn’t going to pass on Friday.

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Which is fine. If it doesn't pass Friday, it will pass the next time it proposed. The league is not going to finish, it's going to be almost impossible to do so before August.

The end result will be calling the league, whenever that happens. Reconstruction is looking extremely unlikely with every passing day so I reckon it's near inevietable that Hearts are down.

So, if it doesn't pass tomorrow is it the case that they will just have to have another vote when the season definately can't be played out, which it won't, or would we be waiting on some direction from UEFA

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Have you read the guardian article? It says that the vote is for all 4 leagues but calling the prem over will be delayed so as to be seen as following uefa guidance. But the decision will have been made.

That's my take on it anyway.

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Which is fine. If it doesn't pass Friday, it will pass the next time it proposed. The league is not going to finish, it's going to be almost impossible to do so before August.

The end result will be calling the league, whenever that happens. Reconstruction is looking extremely unlikely with every passing day so I reckon it's near inevietable that Hearts are down.

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Completely agree.

If it fails on friday, there'll be ongoing amendments until it does go through. Its the only viable sensible solution. Hearts and some other clubs are acting extraordinarily selfishly in attempting to block what is the sole pragmatic way forward. It will go through at some point.

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This is why so many fans, not just Hibs fans are angry. The 2 teams who went bust only 7 years ago by constantly trying to buy success, are almost bust again! Once can MAYBE be seen as mismanagement from last owners BUT TWICE. Blatant cheating of the highest order. Not only that, wanting leagues voided or reconstructed, but payment of prize money before doing so, & some on here wonder why we want them down! FFS, they’re putting THEMSELVES down. It shouldn’t even be open for debate. Remember, this is the club that tried to KILL us. I am amazed that ANY fan or board member with the clubs best interests at heart would help them in any way. It’s total nonsense that we need Hearts in any way. Yes, I’d miss the Derby’s, there special occasions. But if Hearts struggling makes it easier for Hibs to be successful, I’ll settle for that.

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FAO LD

I understand the business-case but there has to be a time when you say 'NO MORE' - they've been cheating since the day Wallace Mercer took them over in 1981 and despite getting a very clear and concise warning of what can happen with 'Perpetual cheating' only just 7 (yes - SEVEN !!) short years ago, unbelievably they completely ignored it and carried on exactly as before !. It's a totally different board with a totally different owner yet they're still in the same position ??. They're totally and utterly incapable of learning - they're so accustomed to cheating that they now know of no other way !. The position Hearts (and their big-bros over in Govan !) find themselves in just now is entirely and utterly 100% of their own making !. Have no doubt, as per 'munchar's post, one of the biggest losers in all of this has been US - and we should NOT be voting for prolonging Hearts preferred way of 'doing business', it's well past time that they learnt -

CHEATING SHOULD BE PUNISHED - NOT REWARDED !

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I wont be hating Hibs or hurting Hibs if Hearts don't go down.

As you say the polarisation of the debate is stupid but normal these days, every discussion on the internet ends up with extreme, over simplified views with the most vocal at either end of the scale.

I'd like to see Hearts go down, it would be well funny, but it wont colour my feelings towards Hibs if they stay up.

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Well said sir 👍🏻

I do hope some people understand that its possible for this vote to fail and for that not to be Hibs fault.

Bottom line if there are no consequences to Hearts’ overspending and poor management, why would you expect them to change their behaviours ? Fed up being one of the clubs who try hard to run its business in a responsible and sustainable way, only to find ourselves having to bail out for free those that don’t.

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I do hope some people understand that its possible for this vote to fail and for that not to be Hibs fault.

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Of course. As long as Hibs vote for it to go through.

Sfa says no football at any level until 10th June.

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And that it's the board, guided by Ron Gordon, that decide how we vote. Not Leeann Dempster.

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It’s a vote on the lower leagues season to end. It’s nothing to do with the Prem season ending. I’ve listened to various chairman and officials from most clubs indicating they want the season to be concluded. That will be decided at a later date.

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It's vote for all 4 leuges championship to end right away and then the spfl can decide when to call the premier

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CORONAVIRUS LATEST

Puts a different slant on it

@ScottishFA confirm all football in Scotland to be suspended until at least June 10 - SFA also say 6 weeks of training required needed prior to any competitive matches being played

More on @SkySportsNews and https://t.co/765QgBcmRi

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I do hope some people understand that its possible for this vote to fail and for that not to be Hibs fault.

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So what happens next, if it does?

Do we get know how the teams voted

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If clubs vote against this then we are at a dead end. Voiding wont happen. This season simply wont be completed so where do we go? The SPFL will have to have the balls to decide for themselves. We cant just stagnate for months.

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It's vote for all 4 leuges championship to end right away and then the spfl can decide when to call the premier

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The SPFL would need backing from the clubs to do so.

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CORONAVIRUS LATEST

Puts a different slant on it

@ScottishFA confirm all football in Scotland to be suspended until at least June 10 - SFA also say 6 weeks of training required needed prior to any competitive matches being played

More on @SkySportsNews and https://t.co/765QgBcmRi

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That put simply means no competitive league football before August... when no doubt they'll play the Scottish Cup out first. Some clubs will not survive that long...HMFC probably amongst them.

who is behind the logos?

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CORONAVIRUS LATEST

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@ScottishFA confirm all football in Scotland to be suspended until at least June 10 - SFA also say 6 weeks of training required needed prior to any competitive matches being played

More on @SkySportsNews and https://t.co/765QgBcmRi

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That means no games until the 22nd July.
New Sky deal starts a week later.


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That means no games until the 22nd July.
New Sky deal starts a week later.


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That will be the season done officially then.

Do players really need 6 weeks training before they play ?

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That put simply means no competitive league football before August... when no doubt they'll play the Scottish Cup out first. Some clubs will not survive that long...HMFC probably amongst them.

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If Hearts aren't going to survive I vote we defer as long as possible.

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Need time to run off the pies and lager

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Footballers are finely tuned athletes. Loads pick up injuries in pre season

God knows how many injuries they’ll pick up, after this long lay off. As the think the clubs want to give them a holiday break too

Listening to First Ministers questions, it came out possible peaking of the virus till the Autumn.
Then we have the dropping figures at the other side of the peak, it could easily be another few months after the peak before things get anywhere near normal!
So its far to early to make any decisions about getting back to football, and any possible outcomes!!
Could be to finish the League and Cup for this season, and get ready for 2021/2022 season????

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CORONAVIRUS LATEST

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@ScottishFA confirm all football in Scotland to be suspended until at least June 10 - SFA also say 6 weeks of training required needed prior to any competitive matches being played

More on @SkySportsNews and https://t.co/765QgBcmRi

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Interesting, with player contracts up by then for this season.

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Interesting, with player contracts up by then for this season.

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Killie will have about four players left in contract, Hamilton and St Mirren, St Johnstone too. Can safely say what way they will vote tomorrow. Who does that leave? Us? Celtic , Aberdeen and Motherwell with two of they clubs needing to vote to stop it going through from the prem to join huns and hearts? Motherwell are third and Celtic will finish on top, that leaves two teams....

As stated yesterday I see a completely fudged response to all this as a 13 team league next season !

Sir David now touting jambos to stay up and media starting to hint Hibs will vote against - with the reason that we lose a place prize money - and Budge seems too confident now.

Where to next ?

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Jambos Kickback raging that Livingston are voting to end the season as is relegating Hearts despite them taking the third largest away support to Livi.

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Well spotted yes they are deluded but big teams always are, aren't they?

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.......... not to mention players back from loans. Welcome home, Florian. :rolleyes:

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Thats why the premier clubs are voting

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Thats why the premier clubs are voting

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They need to vote as part of the SPFL.

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As stated yesterday I see a completely fudged response to all this as a 13 team league next season !

Sir David now touting jambos to stay up and media starting to hint Hibs will vote against - with the reason that we lose a place prize money - and Budge seems too confident now.

Where to next ?

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There will be no restructuring this season . Sky have agreed a deal on u he present set up .

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I see there's a record in the record again with her saying she's been phoning round clubs to find out which way they are going. I really don't understand how she gets so much press. Everyone else seems to be keeping their mouths shut and getting on with it

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I see there's a record in the record again with her saying she's been phoning round clubs to find out which way they are going. I really don't understand how she gets so much press. Everyone else seems to be keeping their mouths shut and getting on with it

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Saw that to I would not think clubs would be sharing with her what they are going to do and even if they hinted I reckon all that would change today with the sfa announcement

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