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The sending off did change things alright though City usually dominate possession against other teams even last season in the 0-0 with Arsenal they had 73% possession and 700 passes to Arsenals 269 .Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
Incredible team that are a joy to watch who are still that bit better than the Gunners lMO.
Fair enough. I don’t think the likes of Pep and Halland are directly complicit in whatever City have been doing. They are just there to put a team on the park and to perform on the park, and have done it better than most. That’s why I appreciate and, generally, enjoy Man City’s football matches. All the other stuff is a separate conversation IMO. Don’t punish the son for the sins of the father and all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Arsenal still gratefully accepting £10m a year from the Rwandan government?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Yep. Horrible, disgraceful thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
You don't think Pep, a guy who as a player was banned for doping, who's Barcelona side made payments to refs, and city bought a club for his brother, has any idea what's happening? Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Modfather
Lovely goal from AC Milan 👌
Does the fact Arsenal unashamedly sports washes for that country make it easy for you not to admire them or do you separate the players and managers from the corporate decisions of the Club owners/leaders?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
1 each Inter.
No. I don't support Arsenal. Id just prefer them to win over a state funded club with 130 financial doping charges.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
I have pointed out when Arsenal have been wrong to do things in the past too. It's never been anything like the crimes commited by City or their owners.
Leicester were an underdog. Arteta has spent £600m.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Modfather
The £50 million a year sponsor from Emirates Group who are owned by the ruling family of Dubai!Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
Another lovely goal 👌Quote:
Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY
Underdog possibly isn’t the correct term, but when Arteta took over Arsenal were a club going nowhere, a cup team at best. He’s taken them to now going toe to toe with Man City. He’s spent a fortune, but spending money and spending it well are two different things. Only have to look at Man U.Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
Get him re-signed immediately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Is he playing midfield for them? Probably the championship goal of the season already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
2-1 AC Milan.
Lyon 1 Marseille 2, OM score two late on after playing 85 minutes with ten men. Will Go top with PSG and Monaco if hold on . Edit- Two further goals in added time, ridiculous 2-3.
Nah he played left back, I was at the game. Lewis was really good, Paul not so.Quote:
Originally Posted by jakedance
Presumably that extends to games not involving Man City too? Take the North London Derby as an example, would I be correct in thinking you’d prefer a Spurs win over Rwandan funded Arsenal?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
No, not especially. I do prefer Arsenal as English clubs go, long before I knew what sports washing was. It's nothing compared to my feelings for Hibs of course. I only support Hibs.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
Do you genuinely think a sponsor is anything even remotely like being owned by a country with thousands of years of human rights violations, and having 130 chargers of financial doping? Id much prefer Arsenal, and Hibs, didn't have dodgy sponsors. It's very different from ownership imo. I would stop attending Hibs matches immediately if we were taken over by owners like City or Newcastle.
Do you think 10 Hibs fans singing a sectarian song is the same as 50k Rangers fans signing a sectarian song?
I don’t think I said they were the same thing but I certainly believe the intention of state ownership and state funding through sponsorships are ultimately the same - it’s all part of the same over-arching strategy of reputation washing through sports and furthering state interests abroad through soft power. Arsenal have been a willing participant in such a strategy for over 18 years, during which time they’ll have likely received in excess of half a billion pounds (£500,000,000+) from a nation with “thousands of years of human rights violations“ to promote Emirates.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
If the intent is the same it is surely irrelevant how many people are involved. One person is too many, I don’t have a threshold below which bigotry is more acceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
So there are not levels to evil then? Watching an illegal stream is the same as genocide? Hibs fans as bigoted as Rangers fans?Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
I personally have my line. I dislike these sponsors, but I see it as massively different to ownership.
Your point regarding Arsenals sponsorship over the years is absolutely spot on. Those in glass houses and all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
Do you genuinely believe all crimes are equal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Arsenal literally have their stadium name and their main shirt sponsor from a state owned government with a terrible human rights record. They've previously had sponsorship from the Rwandan government, sponsorships worth hundreds of millions.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Capital Green has taken apart your argument and shown it up for the nonsense it really is.
CapitalGreen doing some proper schooling here. Love it.
Oh aye, properly schooled :faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedantic_Hibee
Just absolutely genius.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Again, I've strongly condemned Arsenal's affiliation with those things. And anyone else's. It's still not at all the same as those regimes literally owning the club, and breaking rules 130 times to fund it.
I do respect you having such strong sense of black and white. I've never come across someone who believes all crimes are exactly the same. Thank god this opinion isn't shared in the wider world of football, where man city, Newcastle and psg etc are seen as a whole different level of evil.
Let's also remember that it was Arsenal who had their stadium partially funded and named after a company who are state owned by a country with a horrendous human rights record.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedantic_Hibee
They did that years before new ownership took control at City and Newcastle.
Yes, and that was also wrong. As I've said. Multiple times now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
As boring as the Vente thread. Apart from my update on the Raith v Hamilton game of course :greengrin
I missed it yesterday, but am I alone in thinking Trossards yellow for kicking the ball away is extremely harsh?
It was so close to the whistle going, surely theres got to be some mitigation?
Seems to be plenty mitigation if not playing for Arsenal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Same ref 2 weeks ago.
https://x.com/NorthBankerAFC/status/1837892024898314737
No excuse for such inconsistency.
Good summation. Personally think he's done a great job - and been given the time to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Modfather
Poor stuff. The guy had already started to kick the ball when the whistle blew, it's a rank decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
could they not just play around it :dunno: Massive 'sinkhole' opens up on AFC Wimbledon pitch after 'extensive flooding' (msn.com)
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Very good article.
https://www.theguardian.com/football...ter-city-rodri
The Emirates cost £390m to build.They borrowed £260m from banks, secured on future revenues. They borrowed another £97m from fans. They got £130m from selling Highbury. Emirates sponsored them for 15 years for a total of £100m or £6.7m a year. Of course some of the money went to service the debt and repay the interest and capital. The Emirates contribution is tiny compared to the UAE and Saudi involvement in City and Newcastle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
Your numbers are off by quite a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
They have been sponsored by Emirates since 2006 - 18 years and will run for at least 22 years to 2028.
The current Emirates shirt sponsorship is worth £50m per season before accounting for performance related bonuses.
getting beaten off Hibs in preseason was the catalyst ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
The naming rights for the stadium was £100 million for 15 years, although they signed an extension so that will be higher. They also get £50 per year for 5 years from the shirt sponsorship from them, it was £40 million for 5 years previous to that and £25 per year before that.Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
They must be over £750 million from Dubai (Emirates) so far increasing by almost £60 million each year, add in another £100 from Rwanda too at £10 million per year
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/arsenal-emirates-shirt-sponsorship-extension-renewal-2028/
They also have an agreement with another Dubai based organisation to sponsor their training ground, Woman’s facilities some of the hospitality suites at the stadium worth about £50m.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Not sure that was my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
I mentioned their involvement with Emirates who are state owned to the tune of £50 million a year.
If you look at the numbers since 2018 and the end of the extended contract in 2028 it’ll be around £400 million in 10 years so that would average around £40 million a season? (If you add the previous years of sponsorship from emirates it’ll probably be closer to half a billion)
I would say £400 million is a substantial amount of money for any club,
So not far off a billion quid from countries with terrible human rights records.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
You could argue Arsenal were the trailblazers in sports washing in England.
There can be different levels of wrong. Arsenal are certainly wrong to have those sponsors. Same as Hibs are with bevvy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
It is still very clearly different from ownership. Although you know that.
Alcohol is a bit different to human rights violations.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Yes, of course. Not all crimes are equal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernian Verse
If we’re talking about a nefarious infustry that is literally ruining millions of lives and thriving on addiction and is in bed with the entire football industry, it’s gambling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernian Verse
From a morality point of view, football is obviously a lost cause. That doesnt mean we shouldn’t aspire for it to be better, or we should want our teams to try and set the highest standards they can, and be disappointed when they don’t. Personally, i think Man City and PSG, the teams that are owned by petrostates that have manipulated FFP for over a decade to buy their titles, are a level of immorality beyond teams that take sponsorship money off Rwanda (who are probably nowhere near the top ten for human rights abusing nations globally) or the ridiculous number of championship clubs in particular that have gambling companies as sponsors. But it’s important to aspire to just do better instead of getting involved in whataboutery.
Alcohol a crime. :faf::faf: You live in some ****ing bubble.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
I didn't say alcohol was a crime. Drink it plenty myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenlex
I think Hibs promoting it on their shirts is questionable on a few levels. Not criminal though.
I think you've badly missed the point of this discussion.
Your the one that brought up bevvy and then said not all crimes are equal, implying it's a crime of a lesser extent. Have you ever lost an argument or is it win after winQuote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
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Originally Posted by Hibernian Verse
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You lost the point not to mention the plot ages ago. That’s from someone who doesn’t drink.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Sorry guys. I'll spell it out more clearly next time that I don't actually believe alcohol consumption to be illegal. Thought that would've been taken for granted.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenlex
This entire conversation has been about morality. No one has been accused of breaking the law by association with certain brands.
Porteous at fault for Man City's opener.
They really don’t like him. Has been and continues to be on the brunt of their fans anger.. really poor goal to give to them mindQuote:
Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY
Beat me to it, had my head in my hands with that comment 🙄Quote:
Originally Posted by greenlex
Looks at Man City front 3,Porteous well out of his depth.Quote:
Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY
Did ye aye?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lago
Yip 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
He's done fine since the opener.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lago
Good always liked Ryan:aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY
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Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY
he happily left one on foden just before the break. Lucky to escape a card for that.
I found him a very frustrating player for Hibs, still do for Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanM
Looks to have all the attributes to be a top level player but there’s just an inexplicably daft streak in him that ruins it. If he was just plain pish then it would be easier but he looks to be a great player playing short of his potential and you just can’t explain his silly stuff at times.
I still wouldn’t rule him out finding himself in the right defence or playing under the right manager and it all just suddenly clicking.
Hardly fair, how many championship defenders would be the the equal of Man City strikers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lago
I still hope with the Italian connection at Watford he ends up in Italy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Would be the making of him as a real, proper defender.
Very good player though.
On what levels is it questionable? You promoted it yourself in the sentence before, saying you drink plenty on a public website. Is that hypocrisy?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
This is it, in a nutshell. The Porteous conundrum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
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Originally Posted by ChicoM1875
Any team having an alcohol or gambling sponsor is a bit dodgy. It's an addiction millions struggle with and it's papered everywhere at any football match.
Yes, me speaking about drink on here is the same as football clubs taking millions to advertise it on their shirt. Genius. You've got me.
Not just alcohol and gambling are addictive. What's a good subject in your opinion to advertise? I'm pretty sure whatever you pick, someone will take offence/have a backstory that means they disagree with it. I take it food companies are out too?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
I'm glad you see the hypocrisy in you promoting alcohol online. I wouldn't say I was a genius. But I appreciate the compliment. :thumbsup:
Perhaps he’ll just be getting in to the spirit of things🤔Quote:
Originally Posted by ChicoM1875
Can we please keep this thread on topic? I unsurprisingly pop into it to find out the latest discussion about non-Hibs football matches? But for the last 2-3 days, it's people trading opinions about subjects nothing to do with the post topic.
Talented on his day no doubt but IMO one of the most overrated players to play in a Hibs shirt. Was bizarre how many people let him off with multiple howlers in a Hibs shirt whilst his colleagues would get it tight regularly for less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Not surprised that Watford fans aren't too happy with him.
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Originally Posted by LaMotta
If everyone is influenced to use the product Bevvy promote (high end whisky) then it's their wallet people need to be concerned about not their health. I don't love the name of the app but it's got nothing to do with promoting excessive drinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Of course. I'm not exactly fuming about it, but yes, it isn't great. Many, many things we could be sponsored by that aren't addictive.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChicoM1875
If you believe I was promoting alcohol you certainly aren't a genius. But aye.
On only 4 occasions since the switch to a 12 team league in 2000 have we conceded less than 45 league goals in a season, 3 of those seasons had Ryan Porteous in defence. We went from having the tighest defence outwith the old firm in back to back seasons (2020-2022) conceding just 35 and 42 goals respectively, we’ve conceded 90 goals in just a season and a half since he left.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMotta
He was flawed but we have missed him massively.
Absolutely miles ahead of any centre half we've had at the club since McGregor in around 2016/17.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
Efe was comfortably better than Porteous and Mcgregor imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Ryan was good, though, as so was our defence with him in it.
Totally agree, that was my point championship v EPL, maybe should have been a bit clearer:aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoboHarry
Make yer mind up pal!Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
10 man Bodo Glimpt now leading 3-1 at home to Porto
Ryan is taking Bodo Glimpt on himself?Quote:
Originally Posted by green day
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Runar Hauges brother got 2 goals, looks useful
Played for AC Milan and won the Europa League with Eintracht Frankfurt. Pity Runar wasn't half as goodQuote:
Originally Posted by green day
The Huns have invaded Copenhagen 😳
Interesting stats. Number of variables of course during Porto's time that helped determine the effectiveness of the defense. For example Marciano was in goals for all three of those seasons, Josh Doig was at left back for 2 of them, and we had Jack Ross in charge for many of those games too.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
Porto never won a derby in a Hibs shirt, his last derby a rash decision cost us the first goal. And there were plenty of those rash decisions over the years, shocker v St Johnstone in the run up to the up Final giving them momentum, shocker v Huns in the cup Semi (and so many others against the Huns where his head seemed to go, 2 red cards, penalty conceded, losing his man for goals). Red Card v Killie in the cup ( got away with that).
Overall , despite the fact he could be very good for us, I stand by the view that he was and still is overrated by some.
Liverpool 1 West Ham 1
Glad there is no VAR. Liverpool’s goal was probably offside.Quote:
Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY
Just seen that disallowed Watford goal yesterday. Incredible decision. No way that gets given if Haaland does it.
Hope they all behave themselves but get leathered by the Danish Polis anyway then....Quote:
Originally Posted by Iain G
Carlsberg evening 🤭Quote:
Originally Posted by HoboHarry
2-1 Liverpool
Old Trafford like a morgue, welcome to the modern day fan, least there's no bloody drum.
Sam Lammerds equaliser, awful mistake Erikssen. 1-1
Aye but he got sent off after 10 mins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
17 games in a row that Twente have scored. Impressive.
Quite strange that since Fergie left Man U has struggled to achieve what he did, occasional glimpses but I've never seen a Man U team this poor, just a mid table English team nowadays.Quote:
Originally Posted by green day
Yep. Most of their overpaid stars look soft.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
Same in the 70s when they were relegated . They struggled after Busby and repeating that post Fergie. Only Steve Naismith can bring back the good times.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
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