He’s a first time offender who’s conviction for a non-violent crime has been appealed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Nobody gets held in prison in those circumstances except maybe in Saudi Arabia.
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He’s a first time offender who’s conviction for a non-violent crime has been appealed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Nobody gets held in prison in those circumstances except maybe in Saudi Arabia.
Other charges are pending.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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It’s an interesting scenario. How would people feel about Alex Salmond if he’d been taped asking for 10,000 votes from a counting officer at some election?
Totally normal behaviour.
I'd expect him to be charged and jailed. If he had incited a crowd of armed insurrectionists to storm Holyrood to stop the peaceful transfer of power I'd expect him to be charged with treason and jailed.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Tubs
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First offender?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
https://apnews.com/article/trump-trial-deliberations-jury-testimony-verdict-85558c6d08efb434d05b694364470aa0
34 guilty verdicts.
People who don't see Trump for what he is make me question their intelligence.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Change the name, and that could be said of anyone whose views we don't agree with.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
His ideology and antics may be horrendous to you (and me, FTR), but enough people have voted for him in the past to make him a valid candidate, and entitled to a balanced media view.
Michael Cohan for the exact same crime? The exact same?Quote:
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ction-colorado lol
A local elections official who became a hero to election deniers was sentenced to nine years in prison on Thursday for leading a voting system data-breach scheme inspired by the rampant false claims that fraud altered the 2020 presidential outcome.
But, but, first offender non violent crime! Is he in Saudi Arabia??Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Michael Cohen for the Stormy Daniel’s payments. Exact same case as Trump has been found guilty for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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The Boss endorses Harris/Walz Yashar Ali �� on X: "NEW Bruce Springsteen formally endorses Kamala Harris and Tim Walz in a new video where he calls Donald Trump “the most dangerous candidate for president in my lifetime.” “Hi, I'm Bruce Springsteen. Friends, fans, and the press have asked me who I'm supporting in this most https://t.co/JiZ9d9ejkf" / X Trump will probably type something derogatory, in big capital letters
bang on "the most dangerous candidate for president in my lifetime"
Trump was handed a note on Jan 6 telling him a civilian had been shot, he just put the note down and carried on watching things unfold on the tellybox Acyn on X: "Cheney: Donald Trump was handed a note informing him that a civilian had been shot at the door to the chamber of the house of representatives. Donald Trump put the note down on the table in front of him, continued to watch the attack on television https://t.co/IXuWVUNzXB" / X
In any truly civilized society, Trump should not be able to run for POTUS. The fact that he can, and as you say, "enough people have voted for him", is indicative of a flawed country and a flawed society. The US should aspire to be better than him. This latter is part of Harris message, I believe. (That doesn't make me a communist, btw).Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Just cannot get my head round it, I have one pleasant intelligent American friend who lives a perfectly good life in England, she is a Trump supporter and says she has friends back in the States who like her support the fat orange misogynist because he makes them feel "more patriotic".Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Like is said, cannot get my head round it.
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Not a rational thing for heads to be got round, it's a faith thing. God tells you the election was stolen, it was stolen, 'nuff said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
https://x.com/tojamesconnor/status/1...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
Amazing thread on the evidence released.
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Problem is my friends a real serious atheist.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Maybe the American fundamentalist approach to religion is a good reason to be an atheist.
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The thing is trump just plays up to the religious nutters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Trump the NY playboy - against abortion
Biden, a Christian, - for abortion.
It’s bonkers.
Maybe that's her problem. If she had a real god to believe on she wouldn't have to believe in The Trump Organisation's false profits?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
As an atheist myself I'm well past accepting any deities, god, prophet and or messiah based religions, or that they have a monopoly on doing good but totally respect the right of others to have their beliefs so long as they are guided by the truth and doing good things.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
That ain't Trump or his people in my world.
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https://x.com/gareth_gore/status/184...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
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Who is favourite to win the election now?
Haha. Think I've got this right. Vance converted to Catholicism to become a member of the resistance. He's not resisting Jews, as I'd expected, but wokeists. Is it still ok to call people like this nutcases? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It's extremely tight. In states like Pennsylvania and North Carolina (two of the major ones that are likely to decide it) the averaged polls are less than 1% apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by HOOJ O45
Harris seems to be edging it at the moment (538's model has her chance of winning as 56%), but it's all pretty much within the margin of error.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...tion-forecast/
https://youtu.be/NBGOryiqZZI?si=PLWX6_3mzXnUBCdLQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Careful.[emoji6][emoji23]
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Not surprisingly, he says it way better than I can.
https://youtu.be/qw0oA4bATjg?si=kVBAtlAAU6jdgzfZ
Nutcases covers it just fine[emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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MTG - global warming is good for the planet
https://x.com/realXanderXjork/status...52795463745568
MTG - and how much tax did they pay in the Ice Age? Good question Marge.
https://x.com/guelphgirlchris/status...45572125749345
Trump wanted to shoot missiles into Mexico to deal with the drug cartels
https://x.com/charise_lee/status/1842272549440463148
How come most of the nutters in the higher offices of US politics are Republican?
If you stand up and demonstrate, out loud, that you're a non-nutter, you get thrown out. See Cheney, Liz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Space Karen appears rather excited, but of course he will become even richer as part of the Felons Whitehouse team
Ron Filipkowski on X: "This might be the cringiest **** I’ve ever seen in politics. https://t.co/TcmEqIvjwG" / X
What a dork.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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Looks like proof of Trump's claim that the lunatics are coming over from Africa.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Hibs4185
With Biden it's not that he's for abortion as much as he's pro choice.
Isn’t that the same for everyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by AltheHibby
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Originally Posted by Caversham Green
more than enough lunatics American born as well
here's a corrupt sheriff in Florida making Eric Trump a deputy sheriff
Ron Filipkowski on X: "Eric Trump was just appointed as a Deputy Sheriff for St. Lucie county by a controversial Sheriff up for election who was recently appointed by Desantis. Eric said it was his lifelong dream to be a cop, now he has a real badge to prove it. https://t.co/Tqyu8mmeNQ" / X
Eric Trump is Now a Deputy Sheriff - MeidasTouch News (meidasnews.com)
There really is no hope for us...
https://x.com/TheGoodLiars/status/18...046432262?s=19
There's loads of this on social media, they call it cloud farming. Just when you think people couldn't get any more stupid, someone comes along with record breaking idiocy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
They really are a special kind of nut job in AmericaQuote:
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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...cef88b8d10.pngQuote:
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https://x.com/campbellclaret/status/...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
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https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
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Please, for those of us who have left the platform formerly known as Twitter, copy and paste the text rather than expect us to click the link to give it credence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It's a video not text.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Well describe it in great detail then 🤣Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
Some sort of re-enactment?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibby70
Ally McCoist for the J D Vance part........
Featuring Bozo Johnson in the assorted liar role.
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Originally Posted by J-C
https://youtu.be/BPgQp2VuZwQ?si=7DmR2tEwOpXM4sCYQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibby70
It's on X. Never going to give the looney Musk a platform.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
Agreed, I cancelled my account... a month or so later clicked on one the links posted on here and found out my account was still fully active. Tried it again.... months later, still the same.. I've put in 4 or 5 'support' requests and eventually a formal freedom of information request and been totally blanked... they basically seem to be a rogue company that can do their own thing because they're so big :-(Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
from what I can see, Trump's campaign seems to have rallied through very clever podcast appearances (where policy was obviously barely discussed in any substance, because he's not capable), and various other machinations...the whole campaign has pretty much collapsed into open psychological warfare. Trump winning is becoming an increasingly frightening prospect again.
He’s not going to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper
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Encouraging domestic violence now.
https://x.com/MikeSington/status/184...lTKWgSf-w&s=19
There you go again, Ozy. :greengrin I don’t know how often you’ve said this. Is it purely wishful thinking or is there something you know, that we, mere mortals don’t.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
will be absolutely delighted if you're right - i thought they'd unlocked the cheat code by goading him during the debates, but it seems he's rallying and probably being protected from further gaffes...everything else going on in the world seems to be working in his favour though, with the west looking increasingly toothless in the middle east - all Trumps seems to need to do to capitalise on these things is shout about how it wouldn't happen on his watch, and a huge amount of people seem convinced...genuinely hope i'm just being pessimistic due to too much Radiohead growing up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I really know. [emoji6][emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
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The one I can’t fathom is American Muslims rightly angry at the Democrats for their backing of Isreal are in turn not voting Democrat.Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper
This will lead to Trump taking over. Friend of Netenhanu (sp) and Zionism.
Can they not see that Harris is the lesser of two evils. With the bigger evil being Trumps unashamed backing of Isreal?
J
i agree that it doesn't make sense from our perspective, but i think the trust in the Democrats to do anything is so low that they'd almost rather have someone who is at least honest about things like the middle east, and also just a general FU to the whole system...i don't think America is particularly over that phase (nor are we)...if people wouldn't vote against their interests the world would be a much better place!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
You think Trump is being honest?Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper
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I don't think he (Trump) knows the meaning of the word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
the old man wants to stop those violent video games David Leavitt ������*♂️�� on X: "Donald Trump says he will ban videogames Retweet if you think he just lost the Millennial and Gen Z vote https://t.co/LbvncJQq5V" / X
here he's at a rally bobbing/weaving along to the music Change The System ���� on X: "Trump holds a town hall and instead of answering questions, he stands on stage with boring music playing. Over and over and over again. ��*♀️�� So cringe and so weird �� #Trump #TrumpIsALaughingStock https://t.co/Y5nAYgShLk" / X
https://meidasnews.com/news/busted-f...umps-town-hall
The fact that Trump will let Musk loose within the US Govt if he wins, should be enough to scare everyone.
I really hope the US comes to it's senses. I dread to think of the wider implications if it does not.
https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1847000306535612563
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Trump: He (Zelensky) should never have let that war start ...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JHF...7VwdIGYDX/view
It's almost as if Putin has him in his back pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Or his hand up where the sun definitely doesn't shine operating the Trump glove puppet.
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Space Karen buying votes for Trump Elon Musk pledges to give away $1m per day to Pennsylvania voters - BBC News
Tech billionaire Elon Musk has said he will give away $1m (£766,000) a day to a registered voter in the key swing state of Pennsylvania until the US presidential election in November.
The winner will be chosen at random from those who sign a pro-constitution petition by Musk’s campaign group AmericaPAC which he set up to support Republican nominee Donald Trump's bid to return to the White House.
The first lottery-style cheque was given away to a surprised-looking attendee at a town hall event on Saturday night.
The giveaway will effectively help to encourage potential Trump voters to engage in the campaign during the tense final weeks of the presidential race ahead of the vote on 5 November.
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no, I think I meant that that's some peoples' rationale - that at least he doesn't pretend to give a toss about Palestine, and obviously only supports Israel in so far as it benefits him politically and financially.
a good example of this kind of admittedly daft thinking would be when Innocent smoothies were partially bought be Coke. I found them so irritating and cutesy and cloying that I didn't buy them, but when they 'sold out to the man', I felt a kind of relief, like "aaah, i kneeeeeeew you were full of s****", and started buying them. I'm not saying it makes sense, I'm just saying people can, do and will think like that when they really shouldn't.
tbh though, i don't even know what point i'm trying to make at this juncture :aok:
My son could drink them for Scotland and they cost a fortune. I’m saving money now he’s gone to uni. Over 18 years if I’d just bought shares instead of the juice I’d be retired by now.[emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper
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This has nothing to do with Trump.
Remember when Orange Juice was classed as a starter in restaurants. 😂. Actually on second thoughts it is kind of Trump related.
from the man that has insulted numerous individuals inc calling Kamala Harris ******ed
💙Jillian Hurley on X: "Oh. “BREAKING: Donald Trump says Kamala Harris bringing up his face makeup during her Fox News interview is "crossing a red line." https://t.co/gNVriu43Lk" / X
but this line was ok for the big beast
Chris D. Lewis, C.O.M. on X: "@JillianMHurley And this wasn’t. 😳 https://t.co/ExZS7n0YNg" / X
It still was at a boxing event at the Marriott in Glasgow I went to a few years ago. It was a round table set up with a meal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibby70
Advertised as a three “coarse” meal - the starter and dessert certainly weren’t “coarse” - the starter was orange juice and the dessert was an espresso. 😂
It wouldn’t surprise me if Trump had something to do with that event - they came round selling raffle tickets then never actually did the raffle - a very Trump thing to do
No idea if it's accurate but the mood music in the sky news reports is that all roads point to a Trump win, with Arab and Black communities swaying towards him in the decisive states.
He is the bookies favorite, the shares in Trump Media have tripled so the markets expect him to win. All signs point to a Trump victory.Quote:
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Well that’s ****** depressing.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
I really don’t know anything about US politics tbh, but why would it be depressing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
I don't think betting market predictions are considered a reliable source (though Elon Musk wants us to think they're much more accurate than polls); it's thought that they are being influenced by right-wing oligarchs placing large bets to influence the narrative ahead of the election (and presumably to make a case for claiming the election is stolen if it doesn't go Trump's way). Peter Thiel - far right billionaire technobro and, along with Elon Musk, responsible for the JD Vance pick as VP - is an investor in Polymarket, one of the high profile betting prediction markets. There have been calls for investigations into possible rigging, or deliberate manipulation of the odds with big bets from a small number of foreign entities. I know nowt about betting markets, but here are a couple of links on the issue:Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/lar...ys-2024-10-18/
https://time.com/7095708/financial-s...tion-election/
https://www.newsweek.com/who-polymar...di9999-1969646
Harris will win.[emoji106]
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I wish I had your confidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The alternative doesn't bear thinking about. The next six months could be fairly pivotal for the future of the human race, with so many flashpoints around the world and so many headbangers on the cusp of getting their own way.
How do you know that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Read it on an email sent by Bill Gates to Hunter Biden’s laptop.[emoji6]Quote:
Originally Posted by HOOJ O45
It’s just my opinion. I think Harris will win massively among women and will carry her to the White House. I think the polls can’t weight for the amount of women voting in this election on the abortion issue because there is no track record. I think that will make the difference.
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Who do you hope to win?Quote:
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Labour sending over 100 current and former party staff members to campaign for Harris. Alex Cole Hamilton has also taken a leave of absence to chap doors in swing states. Trumps a shoe in. :greengrin
https://x.com/TelegraphUS/status/1847013902757904650
A ticket winning that wants to ban abortion even in cases of incest and rape, has said that childless people should have less of an opinion, has said millions of people including those who have a legal status of citizenship should be rounded up and deported, who is a sexual assault perpetrator.Quote:
Originally Posted by HOOJ O45
If you want them to win then you have reprehensible morals in my opinion
Along with about 50% of US adults eligible to vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
It's horrendous they have been duped like a large proportion of the world to just focus on immigration and forget the rest. Dems are also suffering from what almost every incumbent government in the world that's been up for reelection has faced, no one wants to vote in a party that's been in power through the worst recession and interest rates in our lives. Times have been brutal and governments have had not much good news to give out. The only thing that might save the dems is how loony Reps are on women's issuesQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
I suggest that it might be worth doing some research.Quote:
Originally Posted by HOOJ O45
Trump officially reports Labour and the Democrats to the Federal Electoral Commission for interference. Everything I've read says its legal for foreign nationals to campaign in the US
Have you been living in a cave since 2016?Quote:
Originally Posted by HOOJ O45
https://youtu.be/PX9reO3QnUAQuote:
Originally Posted by HOOJ O45
He's got a bit of a cheek considering he's got Farage held up in a bought and paid for room in Trump Towers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
True, Truss tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Andy Bee
Rich seeing as Musk is entering new registered voters for the Republicans in Pennsylvania access to a daily lottery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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It’s just a campaign tactic so they can claim the election was rigged afterwards. If he is to steal power this time he’s going to need lots of lawsuits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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I’ve now realised that your constant ‘Trump won’t win’ and ‘Harris will win’ is probably just a tongue in cheek opinion and comment and wishful thinking as I don’t remember you backing up your statements with any real evidence why you think this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I’ve said earlier I believe the level of female participation in this vote is being under represented in the polls. Not the polling companies fault as they can only weight things based on previous polls. And the increased numbers will break for Harris.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
I 100% could be wrong and Trump wins.
I also think that the polls are being flooded with republican leaning polls which is distorting the averages. I read the other day that in the last week there were 34 neutral polls released, 33 republicans leaning polls and 1 democrat leaning polls. If this turns out to be the case then it’s possible that Trump support is being overstated.
I will still be very nervous a week on Tuesday watching the results come in.
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The US economy is booming, by most measures: growth, employment, wages - which have outstripped inflation, and have disproportionally benefitted low wage workers. Unfortunately, prices remain high - not a small thing - which is understandably affecting the vibes. The post-recovery recession which a number of the financial publications said was 100% going to happen, hasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
- The supermarkets have maintained covid supply-related rises, and are considered to be price-gouging (in the past few weeks, a supermarket group executive has admitted this to an inquiry). Harris has talked about legislating against price-gouging, but I would guess that that would be politically difficult here in the US? Otherwise, the government doesn't control prices beyond the inflation rate, which price-rises have exceeded. Every time I do food shopping, I have a "HOW much??" moment, and I've been here two years.
- Healthcare. Mental, basically. Services and medication cost many multiples of what they cost elsewhere in the world, and even excellent insurance doesn't cover all your outgoings. Even insured people can be bankrupted or impoverished by significant 'out of pocket' expenses. Again, the prices are not government controlled, and there is fierce political and industry opposition to government intervention. Doing away with lobbying would likely help, but it's not going to happen. Trump says he will have a brilliant plan to replace the 'terrible Obamacare', but he was saying that in 2016, and so far hasn't come up with the plan. Here's a comparison of the 2 parties' positions on healthcare, if anyone's interested:
https://www.kff.org/compare-2024-can...h-care-policy/
Housing. There's a shortage, particularly in affordable housing, and fixing that is fraught with problems. Harris says she's going to build 3 million homes, and will achieve that through getting zoning restrictions reduced. At the moment, this is mainly controlled by local councils, and there are whole towns and cities where there are severe restrictions on building anything other than single family homes, with a minimum plot size and a minimum number of on-site car parking spaces. And homes aren't being built in the places where they are needed - which are often the places with most restrictive zoning, meaning low-paid workers often have to live far away from where the work is. If ever anyone is bored and looking for an internet rabbit hole to scurry down, look up the history of housing zoning in the US, and its socioeconomic consequences. It's a longterm problem which may be really difficult to solve.
A couple of recent articles on the economy (free, if you haven't used up their freebies)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...harts-compare/
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...ellent/678630/
There seems to be pretty consistent agreement from even right-leaning sources that Trump's economic plans are at best unhelpful, and more likely, would be harmful to the economy. Mass deportation of one of their main sources of cheap labour, plus tariffs and the trade wars that go with that, are going to push prices up.
Agree with this. There are a lot of Trump supporting husbands who have wifes who will secretly vote for Harris. Also lots of chat about rigged polling in Trumps favour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Even if Harris wins fair and square there will be trouble.
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