All western leaders fully backing Israel should be taken to the site of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalianwanda
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All western leaders fully backing Israel should be taken to the site of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalianwanda
El Ghazi, ex Villa and Everton, released by Mainz after posting a pro Palestine insta story.
IDF claiming the hospital blast was caused by a failed Hamas rocket launch.
Failed Hamas rocket..... leftover Hamas bobby trapQuote:
Originally Posted by tamig
I smell......well.
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Originally Posted by cameronw-hfc
This is mentioned in a number of newspapers but none of them have said what he posted.
It would be interesting to know what that was before deciding if his club's decision was acceptable, or an over-reaction.
Even if it turns out the attack is a failed rocket launch by Palestine Jihad then the job is done. Hamas calling it out as an Israeli air strike is what all Islamic countries will believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
I think they are claiming he posted from the river to the sea Palestine will be free, which basically means no IsrealQuote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
Humza comes out to condem isreal for the war crime.
Isreal say they have the evidence it was a failed rocket attack on Isreal by Hamas.
Most osint accounts on twitter who have no skin in the game are saying it looks like a failed rocket. Lots of videos but I'll wait until they analyse more before I'd say. Horrible tragedy regardless and it'll be one of many regardless
Horrible human tragedy regardless of who is to blame :(
Whoever is proven to be responsible has committed a horrendous atrocity as well as a colossal political own goal.
The OSNIT page that I have been following now seems pretty certain that it’s been a Hamas missile that caused the hospital deaths (they have been pretty spot on with all reporting so far). It is also now reporting 2 minutes ago that the IDF northern command is braced for an imminent attack from Southern Lebanon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
As if it was even possible this war looks like potentially taking a turn for the worse tonight and potentially based on completely false information (although Hezbollah have probably been waiting for their moment to join since the start). Horrendous and as always it’s the civilians who will suffer worst on all sides :(
That will be like the evidence they had that Hamas beheaded children.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Isreal claim it was an Islamic Jihad group, not Hamas
They’ve now released the intercepted audio.Quote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
Both sides will blame the other the best bet is to ignore them and listen to independent investigators.Quote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
I think Corbyn and Yousaf were daft to blame Israel. Although it could be Israel it would be better to say its a tragedy and were waiting for the evidence.
Israel have plenty war crimes on their hands if you blame them for something that wasn't them it gives them an excuse for the atrocities they cause.
Biden has just said the evidence points to Hamas misfire.
I'd say every osint accounts are analysing it was a Hamas misfire
Nathan Russer of bellingcat has been helping shine a light on isreali war crimes well before this war. He says he thinks it was a misfire and dubious of 500 dead from the limited damage. Probably not best to believe what terrorists say as gospel
https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1714535497958334678
Here's a run down of last night and a video of the misfire
https://twitter.com/talhagin/status/1714416463136559592
Hospital building isn't badly damaged this morning just some glass and also no crater
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...25590873575600
I agree with this there will be no backtracking people are too divided, the damage is done and escalation will happen.
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Honestly a bunch of people are going to have to come to terms with the fact that they fell victim to incredibly weak propaganda that was unintentionally refuted by the source in a convincing manner less than 12 hours later
Oh who am I kidding there’s absolutely no way they will
I’m sure that could easily be set up to look however they want it to look.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigKev
Or anything the Isreali state says. They have been murdering men, women and children for years whilst terrorising the Palestinian community and lying about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Which “independent” investigators do you recommend?
I like bellingcat. They have uncovered or disproved lots of war crimes, especially US, UK, Isreali and Russian.Quote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
They done amazing work when Isreal murdered journalists Shireen Abu Akleh and tried to cover it up. They basically do online detective work, use satellite imagery, phone videos and geolocation ect.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2022/05/14/unravelling-the-killing-of-shireen-abu-akleh/
I don't believe most of what governments say whether that is Russia, Ukraine, Isreal or UK. Fortunately due to the above info like satellite imagery being open access, it's harder for governments to lie, although they still will even if the evidence is clear
Yep and two of the 3 I posted above have proven dozens of Isreali war crimes in the face of Isreali pressure and disinformationQuote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
Some people don’t want to hear independent analysis. They want the side that fits their narrative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
https://x.com/peston/status/17146021...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
Flynn calls for cease fire.
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What is disturbing, as shown by Bellingcat, is the amount of absolute nonsense that is posted on X, formerly twitter. I no longer use X, it is a cesspit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
It's got worse. But it's easy to just follow legitimate journalists and organisations. If a random shares on twitter you have to automatically check the source yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
The problem is there is no alternative site. The big media companies basically just share what they get from twitter. It was too important a site to give to Musk.
I keep seeing folk say stuff like that, from my experience it's no different now to how it's ever beenQuote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
He was another one who jumped in a bit and just took a terrorist organisation at its word saying "It is very difficult to understand why a hospital was targeted". Although I agree with the humanitarian ceasefireQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Humza doubled down today saying we need to prove it but then says but then says "it was a complete breach of international law the targeting of a hospital." He says it need condemned in the fullest, it does even if its Hamas. He's obviously stressed and too close to the situation, but we don't need Hamas words parroted to the nation.
https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1714538375296815122
Although even American Osint accounts are saying the BBC was hopeless in jumping in.
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1714472065208602639
It's clearly a tragedy either way. I fear it will embolden isreal to deny the rest of the war crimes they will no doubt commit in the next year
You wonder what Isreal think it will achieve? What is their end game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Fulfill perceived Biblical prophecy and be the fulcrum of the Apocalypse?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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The 3 men who make up their war cabinet would happily see the destruction of all things Palestinian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
How do you stop an ideology, how did America do crushing the taliban. The difference is America half pretended it wanted to set up a fair state once they left. Isreal barely acknowledges Palestinians right to exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
They aren't going to achieve anything, but their voters want retribution. I don't understand what Hamas were thinking although escalation probably suits
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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
OK, that's unfortunate.