Up there with one of the worst shouts on here. Newell is consistently the stand out and was so yet again tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
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Up there with one of the worst shouts on here. Newell is consistently the stand out and was so yet again tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
Said it before I’ll say it again, who ever was sanctioning Allan leaving should be questioned. Plenty still on our books before he should be considered.
I thought JDH was poor, becoming too negative and players getting past him easily. Hopefully he's still to get back up to speed after his illness, and it's not going to become the norm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
HarshQuote:
Originally Posted by gaz1875
I think United had 3 central bodies in there and newell was often walk about and made jdh look useless when trying to mark 2
Fine player there
Least of our concerns
Can’t have that for a second. They got almost nothing through the middle. He’s been our best player this seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by gaz1875
They had one midfield player that dominated the midfield Fuchs, that's the role JDH is supposed to play for us, picking the ball up deep and starting attacks. He looks to pass backwards too often, for me anyway. His first few games he was all over the pitch and always looking for a forward pass, that isn't happening just now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicho87
They dominated the middle?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
I've never really bought into the idea that Allan wasn't willing to get involved defensively, but that he really struggled to do it. He can't chase, his tackling is clumsy, and there were instances of it today.
On the other hand, he has a goal and an assist.
It's a real conundrum.
They didn’t. Chances came mostly from left side.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaz1875
Fuchs did almost nothing. If he got past newell, JDH nipped the ball of him. He reminded me of the Ojo that so many wanted. All huff , puff with no purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaz1875
Seriously? Their possession was due to them dominating the midfield, from the middle. We gave them far to much room after the first 20 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
You did see the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
I don’t see it personally. I must watch a different player/game.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
They were constantly able to find feet in the area between our midfield and defence tonight. Our defence stood up to the challenge as they had very little protection. Not something that I think is a big issue normally but we struggled without the ball in there tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
Congrats to Scott Allan tonight …career must have felt over a year or so ago..and almost out of the club a few weeks ago. Tonight he scores one, makes one and turns on a strong performance ..delighted for him #respect
Thought he was done at Hibs with the lack of game time but that’s him on three assists and a goal in the last few weeks. Could be like a new signing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
I thought our centre midfield was poor tonight, didn’t have full control of the middle of the park for vast majority of the game, jdh been poor recently, would have Allan and 2 out of the 3 current centre mids in there. Pleased for Alan getting the chance he deserves tho, hampden beckons [emoji219]
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What don’t you see? His defensive side of the game is second to none, his ball retention is outstanding, he scored and put one on a plate for Nisbet tonight. If he’s not the most complete midfielder we’ve had in many a year then I’ve no idea what we’re expecting.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
I disagree about the defensive side being second to none. In a lot of respects he reminds me of McGeouch, plays within himself but has the talent to do a lot more. Feels like he has his fans and an OK performance becomes a MoM one in the eyes of some.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
Though in saying that I thought he was good tonight.
Yep. Best player at the club by a mile. If anyone thinks we will win games because of steady eddies like JDH then they are in for a long season. We need to have Allan starting every single week. Tonight - Assist of the game. Goal of the game, tackle of the game and standing ovation from the fans. That's why we love him. That's why the idea of him being minutes away from being given to St Mirren was so utterly nuts to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
Welcome back Scotty!
Sorry, but Hibbysam and I sidetracked this thread a bit. He was referring to Newell not Allan. Fwiw I agree with you re Allan.Quote:
Originally Posted by keep the faith
Agree with that and he was our MOTM tonight for me. Even just taking the first half he was a good bit better than Allan. Scottie may have been second best in the first half but wasn't at the races second half. JDH having a rough few games and Magennis playing too far away from Nisbet imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
Not too sure I agree with this either, especially not in the 2nd half anyway. Utd looked like they had an extra man in there. Amount of times one of their players picked up the ball in the middle and had time to turn with it was concerning, just as well dundee utd’s decision making in the final third was very poor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
Allan has definitely shown the last couple of games he can play a vital role this season, whether that’s starting or coming on will probably depend on the type of game and who is available. It’s great to see though as I confess I was starting to doubt him and how much game time he would get this season and whether that would be it for his hibs career.
Not to throw the thread totally off topic but for JDH its worth remembering that he missed Tyne due to illness and has been subbed the last two games since looking absolutely knackered. So I think he is still getting back up to full speed even though I thought he looked decent enough tonight first half especially.
JDH was standing talking to Ross after the game when the players came across and I’m positive the conversation was along those lines. The way he was gesturing it was like he was saying he couldn’t get his breath and was basically done in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey_1875
I thought the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Totally agree with this. Watching game pitch side Jack did nothing 2nd half to change the dominance of Utd in the middle.I find it hard to believe a fan at the the game would say what underscore seenQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuart93
What a performance. What a remarkable man all things considered !!
He brought on Gogic and thought that made a difference in terms of winning the ball and stopping their onslaught.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zambernardi1875
Being 3-1 up maybe changed Ross’ opinion of the subs needed but I was amazed he stuck with the same system all game when the game was crying out for us to go 5-3-2 and pack the wide areas defensively and the midfield area. That would have let us let Boyle or Scott maybe pounce kn the counter with late runners. Didn’t think any of our changes tonight really helped us except from maybe Cadden was more switched on defensively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zambernardi1875
You must do, newell keeps our midfield ticking, when he was out a few weeks ago it was very obvious what he brings to the teamQuote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
They did have an extra man in there 2nd half.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart93
Agree, thought Joe Newell was a real standout last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lovethehibs
And great to see Scotty back enjoying his football and performing well again. Really intrigued to see what kind of impact he has against our nemesis on Sunday 🤞🏻
This 100% JDH and Magennis were poor tonight Newell was holding it together in middle of parkQuote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
I agree totally. You must watch a different game.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
I thought gogic done very well when he came on however saying that I think the utd manager was just as effective in the swing as that change when he took off pawlett and Fuchs (who we should be looking at signing if possible) those 2 where running riot 2nd half why utd took them off was baffling but great news for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
Delighted we’re through to the semi thought we played some nice stuff first half and looked dangerous each time we went forward, 2nd half was a worry, again we don’t look hungry enough in trying to win the ball back, I understand being under the cosh utd desperate to get back in it but we let teams have far too much space and time on the ball, I think we should have set up for counter attack JR seems to prefer to make us more solid and keep what we have it’s so tough to watch us just sit in deep and hope a clearance will result in a breakaway
Thought he was the best player on the park. Mentioned at the weekend he was excellent against Dundee. Looks a player every time I see him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
Yes a sensible sub alongside the intro of Cadden and the energy he brings. We slipped into our comfort zone from 0-3 at half time but we gave ourselves that luxury by again carrying an attacking threat. On several occasions it was mentioned Ross was dancing about the touchline so.not sure what more he could have done.Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
Great to see Scott Allan light up the game for us in the first half and JR was saying he likes that position, cutting in from the left.
He's certainly earned a jersey for the weekend but I'm not so sure we'd get away with that same formation against St Johnstone, if big Rooney is bombing up the right for them.
It didn't work out when Heckingbottom pushed Scotty up in support of a lone striker and I can't see JR shifting Mageniss, so it will be interesting to see what the manager comes up with.
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Originally Posted by number9dream
You don't have to be a winger to play wide left, more of an attacking wide midfielder, only problem playing Allan there is he gives little help to the LB, when played centrally we have other players who can help out defensively but not so much out wide on the left. It's a nice option to have but it was noticeable that United focussed all their attacks down our left after half time, Ross brought Cadden on to shore things up.
Given how rarely I agree with anything you post I’m happy with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by flash
Can't argue with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
Scott's attitude after deadline day has been nothing short of first class. If anything he was too hyped up last night and could have got himself into trouble. The 45 at the weekend and his contribution last night has reminded me just how good he is. It's probably reminded himself also. Buzzing for him and on this form us as well. Long may it continue.
Which is why he was subbed so early I assume given he isn’t match fit yetQuote:
Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
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He's a bit of a hate figure at Tannadice. United fans give him a hard time for leaving them before he'd played much in their first team. I think he enjoys getting it up them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
Have we ever had a player who plays so many reverse passes? Things of beauty.
Influential second half from Scotty, and vitally he played more minutes than he's managed for well over a year today.
Absolutely love having him back, long may it continue.
St Johnstone TV said he was poor today. Strange.
They wouldn’t know a football player if he bit them on the arse. Watching that dross every week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
Exactly imagine having to watch that week on week outQuote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
After two good performances thought he was poor today. Gave the ball away so often and didn't see the work rate that he showed on Thursday
Love scotty Allan thought his time was up at 75 but so happy he’s in the starting 11
I didn't see any problem with his work rate at all - he constantly made himself available but the tight marking and packed defence scunnered the majority of moves.Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
He wasn't any less involved, hard working or any more wasteful in possession than anyone else. St Johnstone smother teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
Allan was anonymous in the first half and had a good second half because we got him on the ball more often after the break.
He always has energy when we have the ball not so much when we don't. He lost possession far too much today and that partly led to a very poor first half display where we never really got going. Not all down to him of course. Our movement was poor and St Johnstone pressed us well while we stood off them when they had the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
We improved second half mostly down to having an extra man and JDH coming on and doing well. All our better performers were defenders today imo and no-one did that well with the ball. It was a dull 0-0 livened up by a penalty that never looked like one to me but I was 80 yards away. Very happy we got the 3points there. We need to grind out results particularly while we have so many injuries and players playing hurt. Jack Ross got it right, our performance levels have dropped and there are plenty mitigating factors. 3 games in a week was too much for Scottie on todays performance and he wasn't alone in that. A week off before playing the The Thes is just what we need
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Originally Posted by Hero76
Tbf he wasn’t really a 90 minute player even at his peak.
Great to see him back in a Hibs shirt though.
Thought he was decent today. Found Boyle with a great pass through the middle in the first half and McCart made a great challenge. 2nd half set up Nisbet with another good pass. Not his best performance by any means but still decent IMO.
I wonder if being part of a potential deal for McGrath has had the effect of putting a rocket up his arse? Not his best game today but still put in plenty effort and deserves to be a part of the next squad.
I don't agree that it was a "very poor 1st half display" either though. That's opinions for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
Thought he was excellent today when he was given the ball - need to feed him a bit quicker at times. He’s proving he can be accommodated. Needs to keep kicking on - it’s great to have him back.
I know it's a cliche but I think sometimes he is a bit ahead of his team mates.
There was a point in the 2nd half when he was showing for the ball down the line and Lewis turned back inside and ended up being closed down and I think we conceded a throw. He was really frustrated as if he had the ball he was in a great position. It was by no means an easy pass and LS didn't do anything horrendously wrong. Allan's frustrated look suggested his thinking was 'I could have made that pass'.
Thought he done well today. Maybe not as big an influence as previous games but he worked hard and showed a few flashes.
Your not wrong, I remember watching Best all those years ago and thought his football brain was on another level to his team mates, Scott maybe not at his level but certainly seems at times way ahead of some of the players around him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I thought his attempted lob of Clark was sumptuous.
It was. Pleased Scottyis getting time on the park i did worry he would never regularly get 90 minutes again. Flashes of brilliance today as oppose to being outstanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prof. ****gy
We played so poorly and didn’t really supply him or anyone in order to do some damage. Lucky we got the penalty as that game was heading for 0-0. Zero cohesion today. They stifled it to be fair. Delighted to get 3 points but we look rubbish.
Scott Allan will give the ball away more than any other player, as he takes chances and try's to play balls that are difficult.
I thought he was good today.
That’s because it wasn’t a very poor first half display. We were decent in the first half, we dominated the ball and restricted them to speculative long range efforts. Hibs were excellent today against a team we’ve really struggled against.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
He remains our most potent threat. Another milestone for him today in putting in 85 mins. As mentioned earlier the saints smother teams but despite him not being as prominent as the last two games he still looked the player most likely. Not to mention nearly scoring with a lovely lob which would have lit up a very dull match.
I didn’t think we were anywhere near excellent. I don’t think you’ll often see us be excellent against them with what they want to turn the game in to.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Take the win, on to the next one. Pretty forgettable game with little quality in it I thought.
His displays since coming back into the team should be putting a rocket up whoever’s arse agreed to a deal that would’ve allowed him to leave. He’s a phenomenal football player and any manager should be able to recognise that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
And that’s exactly why I think we were excellent. We certainly weren’t free flowing or all out attacking, but we played them at their own game and came away with the 3 points, something we’ve struggled with recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
I didn’t think it was too different to most of the games against them. Might sound a bit daft because we won the game but it took a dodgy refereeing decision to get us a goal, we still struggled to create much.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Not really intending to be overly negative, I think it was a really vital win. On Allan, I thought he was decent enough but we didn’t get the ball to him quickly enough. Everything seemed to have to go back the way via our centre halves before it was allowed to go forward.
Folk always seem to slate his work rate. Seems an easy way to criticise him if you ask me. Don't get it at all. Closes down and chases around the pitch as much as anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
It wasn’t pretty but I doubt it ever can be against teams like St Johnstone. But we finally did what we have to do to beat such outfits, namely match them in commitment, organization and discipline.
I wish to hell we had played like that in the LC semi and SC final last season instead of fannying around like a precious little blouses taking the strop because a bunch of thugs wouldn’t let us play football. We might have had some trophies in the cabinet.
I’d rather see football played the Hibs way, but sometimes you just have to do what it takes to win,
Pragmatic and correct approach. St Johnstone at the moment are going through a stage where they have more or less perfected the "kill the game as a spectacle" tactical take. Sometimes you just have a wear them down which is never going to be pretty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
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Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Definitely a preferable outcome.
St Johnstone do seem to have our number though.
Sorted that...:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Allan is the class player. I'd say he's needing to shed a pound or two and he'll be even better.
Probably the most minutes he’s played in a week, in a long time
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Originally Posted by JohnM1875
He does. Scotty has never been much of a tackler but his closing down of opponents is often very good.
After his tackle on Rossiter I’ll never criticise his tackling.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
The greatest tackle of all time!Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
I know we missed out on a good player in McGrath but I'm so glad we never sold Allan.
But he hasn’t been before recently. Didn’t set the heather alight up in Inverness. Something has changed with Scotty, his work rate and defending are the best they’ve been in years and he’s rightfully claimed his place back in the team. If he’d gone on loan before that I wouldn’t have blinked an eye.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Hope this new Scotty continues as he’s been fantastic as of late.
Did Scott & JR not have a talk after the transfer thing? I'm sure in an interview JR said that he'd given Scott "something to think" about or words to that effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee