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So in the weekend after Cummings absolutely rubbished the apparent complete shambles of the uk government Covid response Marr has a nice cosy wee chat with the Vaccines minister. He is absolutely unwatchable at the moment and obviously looking for some sort of gong in the near future. The contrast between how some politicians are treated is absolutely despicable imo.
I think it might be new BBC policy rather than Marr. It's simply unpatriotic to give her Majesty's Government a hard time.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Think you are right. Their Director General is a Tory.Quote:
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Tim Davie announced his intention for the BBC to "find a better balance of satirical targets rather than constantly aiming jokes at the Tories :greengrin
Nadine Dorries is now off Twitter, but not before posting “Dominic Cummings isn’t as clever as he doesn’t think he is”.
Lucky Nadine is well known for her cleverliness[emoji23][emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
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Remember all that "World beating" stuff we had at the beginning of the pandemic?
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Douglas Ross was trying out a new softer tone when asking Sturgeon questions, wonder if he's been on a training course
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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
At first I thought it was Ruth the mooth going by the mannerisms, then I realised it was Eeyore in a suit.
Labour demands probe into donations to Tories from defunct firms - BBC News
corrupt s*um :agree:
Labour is calling for an investigation into two donations allegedly made to the Conservative Party from companies which had ceased to exist.
Tuesday: Douglas Ross demands rapid loosening of COVID restrictions
Wednesday: Douglas Ross Self Isolating
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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Are you sure one of the protagonists here wasn't the controversial figure, Murray Ross?Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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Is he isolating with Glenn Campbell? 😏Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Potential cuts to the foreign aid budget could be reversed. I was cheered up at first until I realised how sad it was that this was ever proposed in the first place.
https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampp...s-catch-up-row
Ouch! £15m for education recovery asked for, £1.4m take it or leave it.
OK he leaves
Has direct consequences for Scotland as well. Tories crippling Scottish education financially while complaining about poor performance at the same time.[emoji849]Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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You're going to blame the demise of the Scottish education system on the tories? :faf: your posts are getting funnier by the dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It's OK though because the army has spent £3.5b on tanks that can't go faster than 20mph.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://www-telegraph-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/02/new-british-tanks-costing-35bn-cannot-driven-safely-20mph-reveals/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D% 3D#aoh=16227078940240&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.g oogle.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A %2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2F2021%2F06%2F02% 2Fnew-british-tanks-costing-35bn-cannot-driven-safely-20mph-reveals%2F
It's all about priorities 😊🙄
Says the person who thinks the Scottish Education system is the worlds worst.[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
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We're getting a £200m boat as well. Can't wait to give it a go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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And they painted Bojo's plane with a Union Flag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Allisbarry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
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Patel really is a nasty piece of work.
Flag bearer for the Nasty Party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
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She is why they are winning elections. Tories know that as long as they keep being tough on foreigners, they can keep filling their own pockets and inflict austerity wherever they like. This is a winning formula in England and it doesn’t matter what we vote in Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
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The problem with that kind of strategy is that when you start it, you can't stop and it's a downward spiral into the abyss of xenophobic nationalism. When they can't blame the EU and EU citizens for all our woes, then who is next? The Scots, the Irish again or even just Muslims, Jews and Catholics?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Talking of lining pockets. A week after being given a peerage which was initially turned down only to be overturned by BJ, Peter Cruddas donates £0.5m to the Conservative Party. Them peerages have went up in price innit.
The Scots are already seen as money grabbing subsidy junkies who live lavish lives off the english pound. We will be next. Get us tae ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Intrigued by Dowden and Johnson wading into the Ollie Robinson story. Can't be anything except pandering to base.
Nothing very much to be intrigued by. Johnson wants it to be normal never to have old racism brought up, in case anyone brings his old racism up, and Dowden wants anything that Johnson wants. And pandering too, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
Can't beat a good bit of old fashioned deflection from everything else they've been up to that appeals as you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
Or is there even more sleaze or bad news round the corner?
Racists supporting racists, whoda thunk it.
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A lot of “keep politics out of sport” folk celebrating this latest intervention from Dowden and Johnson. It’s almost as if they don’t care about politics in sport as long as it’s their own politics.Quote:
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I'm assuming the tweets made by the player in question were pretty horrendous? I hadn't read the story until this afternoon and my initial reaction was to wonder about the cynicism of whoever made them public waiting until he'd stepped on to the field for his England debut before doing so. If somebody wants to call out racism/sexism why not do so right away? The impression this gives is that somebody has been sitting on them for years with a view to exploiting them (or perhaps cashing in?) to the max.
Having not seen the tweets, I'm not going to defend the player but I think it's reasonable to question the motivation behind this.
See where you're coming from but I don't really care how or when they're outed, just glad they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
The cynic in me wonders if there'd ever have been an expression of regret for past racist and sexist remarks if they hadn't been exposed.
The player himself now acknowledges the nature of the remarks which taken at face value is enough to define them I feel.
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Yes, I'm not doubting the offensive nature of the remarks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
However, I'm also a bit cynical about the ECB here. Like so many organisations of late there's a sense that they're more concerned with their own image than actually getting to the heart of the matter. This player was under their jurisdiction at the time. Why was something like this allowed to pass unremarked if they see fit to throw him in front of the disciplinary panel now?
I know nothing of Robinson apart from what I've read today but I hope he's a more mature, rational 27-year-old than he was as a teenager. Most of us are, by and large. The comments in his defence from his former room-mate Moeen Ashraf indicate as much.
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EVEL in action :greengrin
How can these people be so thick?Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Prerequisit of being a Tory :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
People vote for them as well, thicker than a thick thing trying to be the best thick thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
Or is he aware of what he's doing and playing to an even thicker audience?
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He's not being thick he is just following the Tory party line of attacking the SNP regardless of what they do it don't do. Truth doesn't come I to it, just chuck some shut and hope some of it sticks. It's the only thing they haveQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I see the story about Patel having lied to a Parliamentary committee lasted less than half a day on the front page of the BBC news website. Just the new normal. :rolleyes:
Kuenssberg was on R4Today earlier gushing about Johnson and his 'Indestructible Relationship' with the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
There's no problems between Johnson and Biden and definitely no disagreement about Norniron. :rolleyes:
I saw that then went straight to the Guardian app as I assumed it would be prominent. Not a mention. Have they all given up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
BBC also gushing about Bidens first visit abroad being to the UK and first PM type person the serial liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
I'm assuming the G7 conference has been booked in for some considerable time and that's the only reason Biden is here at this time.
absolutely nothing to disagree with here
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Yesterdays cow-towing from Johnson towards Biden was hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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https://youtu.be/WGUwckgek_k
… in the whilst nobody was looking category
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Only affects English NHS patients thankfully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radium
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look at the state of this scruffy tw@t, i honestly expected to see tomato sauce dripping down his shirt, still baffling why Symonds married THAT, she obviously cant cook but fgs turn yer "man" out better dressed than you have been of late, scruffiest **** in uk politics, kin embarrassment, total Slob
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She's not exactly an oil painting herself.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Ooh! This could be fun. 🍿 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
https://twitter.com/peston/status/14...900086272?s=21
Johnson upsets Peston.
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She who must be ignored has spoken
https://news.stv.tv/politics/priti-p...sture-politics
Pretty straightforward, Bozo's practicing to be a Catholic, next week he's practicing to be a Muslim and a Jew the week after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
He's not very good at it but wants to be popular. There'll be another vague unfinished pledge along in a minute.
Other religions are available.
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She is gammon. Pure and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
So a further 28 days of restrictions. Wonder where all the folk criticising NS for not giving definitive dates so as to give hope will be tonight. Trying to give hard and fast dates weeks and weeks out was plain stupid but fits perfectly with Johnson and his ministers
They’re probably busy arguing that all she does is follow what Westminster does…Quote:
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She should have put India on the red list.Quote:
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I genuinely believe she would deport her own parents if she thought it would get her ahead in the Conservative party.Quote:
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India has been on the red list since the beginning of the traffic light system in Scotland...Quote:
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I see Cummings is dumping a load of text messages etc online just now. Should be fun.
https://dominiccummings.substack.com...otally-****ing
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Jim Bowen saying "great, smashing, super" over and over would be a better style of leadership than that idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57496730
Good for her.
I saw her on the news last night. She must have been distraught trying to get real time information. Bad enough listening to Johnson at the best of times, but even when they do have BSL interpreters there. They struggle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
if even 10% of that is true it should/would be the biggest governmental scandal of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Doesn’t matter though, accountability doesn’t exist anymore. Probably win the Conservatives a few more seats in the south of England.
By the end of that, was beginning to get a vague feeling that Cummings doesn't like Hancock much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Good on her but I actually said to a mate the other day that I wondered if the reason there isn't any signers at these announcements is that by the time they worked out what was being said in one sentence he would already have spat out another two of three sentences of incomprehensible nonsense. It would be an impossible job. Is there subtitles anymore, it would be fascinating watching mmmm, er, yes, mm, mmm,,,,ah,!'? them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
We have them at trade union conferences and given the amount of deaf people who will be in the audience it is very poor that the service is not provided.
I couldn't make it to the end, but after what I did read I was feeling more empathy for Hancock than Cummings.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Cummings, I grudgingly came to accept, was a phenomenal campaigner who completely rejuvenated Johnson's career (which was previously heading down the pan following his backstabbing by Gove and his dismal spell as Foreign Secretary) but now that he's lost the PM's ear he just comes across as little more than bitter and childish. Given his diminished standing in the public eye I suspect all this mud-slinging will have next to zero impact.
I can’t figure how someone can have empathy for any of them tbh. The only one doing the right, or the least wrong thing, is Cummings. I don’t see anyone can read actual messages sent by the actual PM and not thing Hancock has to answer for what has happened, and so does Johnson for keeping him in post.Quote:
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Quite understandable.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Kato
The messages from Johnson regarding how useless Hancock really says as much about Johnson as it does Hancock. Johnson has the ability to take him out the firing line and with 10s if not 100s of thousands of lives at stake or potentially seriously effected he chooses to big up the useless twat. Cummings is no doubt a vicious self interested maniac but I suspect he is being accurate with these statements given the evidence he is producing. Unfortunately what doesn't kill Johnson, I include Covid, seems to make him stronger with the English electorate. They might have voted for him if he was dead and to be fair he would have done a better job dead than alive
Was it empathy that drove you to vote for them despite claiming to be a Labour voter John?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
I despise how they’re turning democracy and the death of over 130k people into The Jeremy Kyle show.
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I had to send this to my wife as she hates these things. 🤣Quote:
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It's easier than most.Quote:
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Yep. 😁Quote:
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SIR keir getting it tight from his back benchers
get Starmer out ffs :agree: at least corbyn would have ripped the blonde buffoon a new one
Labour MPs turn on Keir Starmer for missing 'easy win' over PM after Cummings' latest bombshell | Daily Mail Online
No wonder, Johnson completely owns him at PMQs. Did he ever win any cases when he was a lawyer as he looks like a rabbit in the headlights as soon as an opposing view is returned to him. Corbyn was infinity better at PMQs and in every other way imoQuote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
The SNP could hardly have been more contemptuous of Cummings last year yet are now claiming he needs to be taken seriously? A kind of reversal of their attitude to Salmond, the man who they thought could walk on water not so long ago but who they now revile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
This Cummings guff will blow over soon enough. Anyone with an interest in politics surely doesn't think it's all sweetness and light within a government? The pressure must be intense and there will be internal bust-ups all the time. Whatever Boris Johnson may have said privately about Hancock, it's probably no worse than Sturgeon has had say behind closed doors about Salmond (plus his Alba defectors) or indeed the likes of Margaret Ferrier, Natalie McGarry, Derek Mackay or Mark McDonald over the years.
What do you expect when Bojo's former bestie is dishing the dirt? Of course the Nats are going to love it!Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
The difference is that it isn't being shown in Whatsapp conversations that have literally been on the news. Saying probably doesn't change that.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
It's hardly admiring Cummings. People are allowed to be ***** and do things that the other side might see as good. I don't know about you, but if a former senior advisor to the government says "this is what happened, and here is the proof" I'm inclined to listen to what they have to say.
Na I'm sure if this was Sturgeon on the receiving end it would be brushed off as a highly volitile working environmentQuote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
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It doesn't matter what party anyone aligns to, apart from the torys apparently, such disharmony at the heart of government is serious stuff.Quote:
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It might even have been seriously funny if we weren't in the middle of a pandemic when decisions made by these idiots cost lives and untold harm to the economy ... and then there's the fallout from Brexit.
Guy Hands is that fat slimy tory PoS that built up £525m debt in his four seasons care homes, the *******
The SNP have got it right. It appears Johnson was pretty clueless and awaiting instructions from Cummings. That is way more than advising imo. Now Cummings has been emptied a Parliamentary Committee is calling him out and asking him to back up the account he gave. I suspect he will e able to back it all up.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
There is saying things and being caught saying things. Johnson appears to have broken the ministerial code in terms of his comments on Hancock. I would imagine he has broken protocols in even using WhatsApp and similar. It is amazing how Johnson's premiership is exactly how many of us would imagine. Total incompetence, lying, laziness, bluster, appalling comms and a multitude of other character flaws were all obvious before he was elected but are even more apparent and massively more dangerous.
The Salmond comparison is fair. Many who oppose the SNP found new born belief in his character and thought he was going to bring down the Scottish Government.Quote:
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Cummings is a similarly self serving stain on politics and we will need to see how it plays out.
My own opinion is that it will only set the battle lines in the Tory party for the fight to replace Johnson. Beyond that we have seen how broken the moral compass is in Westminster and there is no chance it will cost anyone their job.
Similar revelations around any of the (now) 6 Scottish Governments would have cost people their jobs
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Interesting list of comparators for Hancock. Not sure about McDonald, but think all the rest have been looked at by polis for wrongdoing of one sort or another. Assume that your comparison includes a belief that the law should be looking at Hancock's actions too.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
Astonishing deflection. If my uncle had baws he would indeed be my auntie, but nothing like this level of febrile back-knifing has happened within the Scotland government structure. You may as well say this kind of thing probably happens behind closed doors in Somalia, or Peru. So what?Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
That could be looked at as "look they are all f*kcing up and lying" last year with a twist to someone who was there revealing some of the *****ing up and lies this year. His lies and *****ing up will be revealed when someone else is shown the door.Quote:
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Probably right.Quote:
This Cummings guff will blow over soon enough.
Is it about the rhetoric of the messaging? i thought it was about the lies and *****ups?Quote:
Anyone with an interest in politics surely doesn't think it's all sweetness and light within a government? The pressure must be intense and there will be internal bust-ups all the time. Whatever Boris Johnson may have said privately about Hancock, it's probably no worse than Sturgeon has had say behind closed doors about Salmond (plus his Alba defectors) or indeed the likes of Margaret Ferrier, Natalie McGarry, Derek Mackay or Mark McDonald over the years.
Corbyn, I'm afraid to say, just wasn't up to the job. He treated PMQs as a mini class war, with one eye on how his performance would play out on social (ist) media platforms. Cameron regularly batted him aside, May was as dismal an orator as Corbyn and Johnson just had to inject a bit of life into proceedings (even if much of it was guff) to leave Corbyn floundering. Electing him as leader set the Labour Party back, I'd say, at least another five years on top of the damage wrought by Milliband. I hold out hope that if some semblance of 'normal' politics returns before the next election Starmer can yet prove his worth, but thus far I'll admit it's not looking too hopeful.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
All Johnson has to do is that thing where he makes a fist, with his thumb resting out on top of his his fingers, push his hand forward to emphasise his word salad and that's enough to clamp Starmer shut. It's a car crash. I think "waiting for the pandemic to be over before taking the govt to task" has also been disastrous. Probably one that had to be taken but that's the breaks.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
You may or may not be right with the above. I personally couldn't care less about Johnson's opinion of Hancock.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
However, the point is, if he felt Hancock was hopeless, why did he leave him in such an important position during the biggest national health emergency in any of our lifetimes?
Ah yes socialist mediaQuote:
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