Tories are still lying *******s

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Good for her.

Good on her but I actually said to a mate the other day that I wondered if the reason there isn't any signers at these announcements is that by the time they worked out what was being said in one sentence he would already have spat out another two of three sentences of incomprehensible nonsense. It would be an impossible job. Is there subtitles anymore, it would be fascinating watching mmmm, er, yes, mm, mmm,,,,ah,!'? them.

We have them at trade union conferences and given the amount of deaf people who will be in the audience it is very poor that the service is not provided.

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By the end of that, was beginning to get a vague feeling that Cummings doesn't like Hancock much.

I couldn't make it to the end, but after what I did read I was feeling more empathy for Hancock than Cummings.

Cummings, I grudgingly came to accept, was a phenomenal campaigner who completely rejuvenated Johnson's career (which was previously heading down the pan following his backstabbing by Gove and his dismal spell as Foreign Secretary) but now that he's lost the PM's ear he just comes across as little more than bitter and childish. Given his diminished standing in the public eye I suspect all this mud-slinging will have next to zero impact.

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I couldn't make it to the end, but after what I did read I was feeling more empathy for Hancock than Cummings.

Cummings, I grudgingly came to accept, was a phenomenal campaigner who completely rejuvenated Johnson's career (which was previously heading down the pan following his backstabbing by Gove and his dismal spell as Foreign Secretary) but now that he's lost the PM's ear he just comes across as little more than bitter and childish. Given his diminished standing in the public eye I suspect all this mud-slinging will have next to zero impact.

I can’t figure how someone can have empathy for any of them tbh. The only one doing the right, or the least wrong thing, is Cummings. I don’t see anyone can read actual messages sent by the actual PM and not thing Hancock has to answer for what has happened, and so does Johnson for keeping him in post.

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I couldn't make it to the end, but after what I did read I was feeling more empathy for Hancock than Cummings.

Quite understandable.

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Quite understandable.

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The messages from Johnson regarding how useless Hancock really says as much about Johnson as it does Hancock. Johnson has the ability to take him out the firing line and with 10s if not 100s of thousands of lives at stake or potentially seriously effected he chooses to big up the useless twat. Cummings is no doubt a vicious self interested maniac but I suspect he is being accurate with these statements given the evidence he is producing. Unfortunately what doesn't kill Johnson, I include Covid, seems to make him stronger with the English electorate. They might have voted for him if he was dead and to be fair he would have done a better job dead than alive

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I couldn't make it to the end, but after what I did read I was feeling more empathy for Hancock than Cummings.

Cummings, I grudgingly came to accept, was a phenomenal campaigner who completely rejuvenated Johnson's career (which was previously heading down the pan following his backstabbing by Gove and his dismal spell as Foreign Secretary) but now that he's lost the PM's ear he just comes across as little more than bitter and childish. Given his diminished standing in the public eye I suspect all this mud-slinging will have next to zero impact.

Was it empathy that drove you to vote for them despite claiming to be a Labour voter John?

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I despise how they’re turning democracy and the death of over 130k people into The Jeremy Kyle show.

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I had to send this to my wife as she hates these things. 🤣

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I had to send this to my wife as she hates these things.

It's easier than most.

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It's easier than most.

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Yep. 😁

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get Starmer out ffs at least corbyn would have ripped the blonde buffoon a new one

Labour MPs turn on Keir Starmer for missing 'easy win' over PM after Cummings' latest bombshell | Daily Mail Online

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SIR keir getting it tight from his back benchers

get Starmer out ffs at least corbyn would have ripped the blonde buffoon a new one

Labour MPs turn on Keir Starmer for missing 'easy win' over PM after Cummings' latest bombshell | Daily Mail Online

No wonder, Johnson completely owns him at PMQs. Did he ever win any cases when he was a lawyer as he looks like a rabbit in the headlights as soon as an opposing view is returned to him. Corbyn was infinity better at PMQs and in every other way imo

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I can’t figure how someone can have empathy for any of them tbh. The only one doing the right, or the least wrong thing, is Cummings. I don’t see anyone can read actual messages sent by the actual PM and not thing Hancock has to answer for what has happened, and so does Johnson for keeping him in post.

The SNP could hardly have been more contemptuous of Cummings last year yet are now claiming he needs to be taken seriously? A kind of reversal of their attitude to Salmond, the man who they thought could walk on water not so long ago but who they now revile.

This Cummings guff will blow over soon enough. Anyone with an interest in politics surely doesn't think it's all sweetness and light within a government? The pressure must be intense and there will be internal bust-ups all the time. Whatever Boris Johnson may have said privately about Hancock, it's probably no worse than Sturgeon has had say behind closed doors about Salmond (plus his Alba defectors) or indeed the likes of Margaret Ferrier, Natalie McGarry, Derek Mackay or Mark McDonald over the years.

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The SNP could hardly have been more contemptuous of Cummings last year yet are now claiming he needs to be taken seriously? A kind of reversal of their attitude to Salmond, the man who they thought could walk on water not so long ago but who they now revile.

This Cummings guff will blow over soon enough. Anyone with an interest in politics surely doesn't think it's all sweetness and light within a government? The pressure must be intense and there will be internal bust-ups all the time. Whatever Boris Johnson may have said privately about Hancock, it's probably no worse than Sturgeon has had say behind closed doors about Salmond (plus his Alba defectors) or indeed the likes of Margaret Ferrier, Natalie McGarry, Derek Mackay or Mark McDonald over the years.

What do you expect when Bojo's former bestie is dishing the dirt? Of course the Nats are going to love it!

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The SNP could hardly have been more contemptuous of Cummings last year yet are now claiming he needs to be taken seriously? A kind of reversal of their attitude to Salmond, the man who they thought could walk on water not so long ago but who they now revile.

This Cummings guff will blow over soon enough. Anyone with an interest in politics surely doesn't think it's all sweetness and light within a government? The pressure must be intense and there will be internal bust-ups all the time. Whatever Boris Johnson may have said privately about Hancock, it's probably no worse than Sturgeon has had say behind closed doors about Salmond (plus his Alba defectors) or indeed the likes of Margaret Ferrier, Natalie McGarry, Derek Mackay or Mark McDonald over the years.

The difference is that it isn't being shown in Whatsapp conversations that have literally been on the news. Saying probably doesn't change that.

It's hardly admiring Cummings. People are allowed to be ***** and do things that the other side might see as good. I don't know about you, but if a former senior advisor to the government says "this is what happened, and here is the proof" I'm inclined to listen to what they have to say.

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The difference is that it isn't being shown in Whatsapp conversations that have literally been on the news. Saying probably doesn't change that.

It's hardly admiring Cummings. People are allowed to be ***** and do things that the other side might see as good. I don't know about you, but if a former senior advisor to the government says "this is what happened, and here is the proof" I'm inclined to listen to what they have to say.

Na I'm sure if this was Sturgeon on the receiving end it would be brushed off as a highly volitile working environment

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The SNP could hardly have been more contemptuous of Cummings last year yet are now claiming he needs to be taken seriously? A kind of reversal of their attitude to Salmond, the man who they thought could walk on water not so long ago but who they now revile.

This Cummings guff will blow over soon enough. Anyone with an interest in politics surely doesn't think it's all sweetness and light within a government? The pressure must be intense and there will be internal bust-ups all the time. Whatever Boris Johnson may have said privately about Hancock, it's probably no worse than Sturgeon has had say behind closed doors about Salmond (plus his Alba defectors) or indeed the likes of Margaret Ferrier, Natalie McGarry, Derek Mackay or Mark McDonald over the years.

It doesn't matter what party anyone aligns to, apart from the torys apparently, such disharmony at the heart of government is serious stuff.

It might even have been seriously funny if we weren't in the middle of a pandemic when decisions made by these idiots cost lives and untold harm to the economy ... and then there's the fallout from Brexit.

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Guy Hands is that fat slimy tory PoS that built up £525m debt in his four seasons care homes, the *******

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The SNP could hardly have been more contemptuous of Cummings last year yet are now claiming he needs to be taken seriously? A kind of reversal of their attitude to Salmond, the man who they thought could walk on water not so long ago but who they now revile.

This Cummings guff will blow over soon enough. Anyone with an interest in politics surely doesn't think it's all sweetness and light within a government? The pressure must be intense and there will be internal bust-ups all the time. Whatever Boris Johnson may have said privately about Hancock, it's probably no worse than Sturgeon has had say behind closed doors about Salmond (plus his Alba defectors) or indeed the likes of Margaret Ferrier, Natalie McGarry, Derek Mackay or Mark McDonald over the years.

The SNP have got it right. It appears Johnson was pretty clueless and awaiting instructions from Cummings. That is way more than advising imo. Now Cummings has been emptied a Parliamentary Committee is calling him out and asking him to back up the account he gave. I suspect he will e able to back it all up.

There is saying things and being caught saying things. Johnson appears to have broken the ministerial code in terms of his comments on Hancock. I would imagine he has broken protocols in even using WhatsApp and similar. It is amazing how Johnson's premiership is exactly how many of us would imagine. Total incompetence, lying, laziness, bluster, appalling comms and a multitude of other character flaws were all obvious before he was elected but are even more apparent and massively more dangerous.

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The SNP could hardly have been more contemptuous of Cummings last year yet are now claiming he needs to be taken seriously? A kind of reversal of their attitude to Salmond, the man who they thought could walk on water not so long ago but who they now revile.

This Cummings guff will blow over soon enough. Anyone with an interest in politics surely doesn't think it's all sweetness and light within a government? The pressure must be intense and there will be internal bust-ups all the time. Whatever Boris Johnson may have said privately about Hancock, it's probably no worse than Sturgeon has had say behind closed doors about Salmond (plus his Alba defectors) or indeed the likes of Margaret Ferrier, Natalie McGarry, Derek Mackay or Mark McDonald over the years.

The Salmond comparison is fair. Many who oppose the SNP found new born belief in his character and thought he was going to bring down the Scottish Government.

Cummings is a similarly self serving stain on politics and we will need to see how it plays out.

My own opinion is that it will only set the battle lines in the Tory party for the fight to replace Johnson. Beyond that we have seen how broken the moral compass is in Westminster and there is no chance it will cost anyone their job.

Similar revelations around any of the (now) 6 Scottish Governments would have cost people their jobs


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Whatever Boris Johnson may have said privately about Hancock, it's probably no worse than Sturgeon has had say behind closed doors about Salmond (plus his Alba defectors) or indeed the likes of Margaret Ferrier, Natalie McGarry, Derek Mackay or Mark McDonald over the years.

Interesting list of comparators for Hancock. Not sure about McDonald, but think all the rest have been looked at by polis for wrongdoing of one sort or another. Assume that your comparison includes a belief that the law should be looking at Hancock's actions too.

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The SNP could hardly have been more contemptuous of Cummings last year yet are now claiming he needs to be taken seriously? A kind of reversal of their attitude to Salmond, the man who they thought could walk on water not so long ago but who they now revile.

This Cummings guff will blow over soon enough. Anyone with an interest in politics surely doesn't think it's all sweetness and light within a government? The pressure must be intense and there will be internal bust-ups all the time. Whatever Boris Johnson may have said privately about Hancock, it's probably no worse than Sturgeon has had say behind closed doors about Salmond (plus his Alba defectors) or indeed the likes of Margaret Ferrier, Natalie McGarry, Derek Mackay or Mark McDonald over the years.

Astonishing deflection. If my uncle had baws he would indeed be my auntie, but nothing like this level of febrile back-knifing has happened within the Scotland government structure. You may as well say this kind of thing probably happens behind closed doors in Somalia, or Peru. So what?

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The SNP could hardly have been more contemptuous of Cummings last year yet are now claiming he needs to be taken seriously?

That could be looked at as "look they are all f*kcing up and lying" last year with a twist to someone who was there revealing some of the *****ing up and lies this year. His lies and *****ing up will be revealed when someone else is shown the door.

This Cummings guff will blow over soon enough.

Probably right.

Anyone with an interest in politics surely doesn't think it's all sweetness and light within a government? The pressure must be intense and there will be internal bust-ups all the time. Whatever Boris Johnson may have said privately about Hancock, it's probably no worse than Sturgeon has had say behind closed doors about Salmond (plus his Alba defectors) or indeed the likes of Margaret Ferrier, Natalie McGarry, Derek Mackay or Mark McDonald over the years.

Is it about the rhetoric of the messaging? i thought it was about the lies and *****ups?

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get Starmer out ffs at least corbyn would have ripped the blonde buffoon a new one

Labour MPs turn on Keir Starmer for missing 'easy win' over PM after Cummings' latest bombshell | Daily Mail Online

Corbyn, I'm afraid to say, just wasn't up to the job. He treated PMQs as a mini class war, with one eye on how his performance would play out on social (ist) media platforms. Cameron regularly batted him aside, May was as dismal an orator as Corbyn and Johnson just had to inject a bit of life into proceedings (even if much of it was guff) to leave Corbyn floundering. Electing him as leader set the Labour Party back, I'd say, at least another five years on top of the damage wrought by Milliband. I hold out hope that if some semblance of 'normal' politics returns before the next election Starmer can yet prove his worth, but thus far I'll admit it's not looking too hopeful.

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Corbyn, I'm afraid to say, just wasn't up to the job. He treated PMQs as a mini class war, with one eye on how his performance would play out on social (ist) media platforms. Cameron regularly batted him aside, May was as dismal an orator as Corbyn and Johnson just had to inject a bit of life into proceedings (even if much of it was guff) to leave Corbyn floundering. Electing him as leader set the Labour Party back, I'd say, at least another five years on top of the damage wrought by Milliband. I hold out hope that if some semblance of 'normal' politics returns before the next election Starmer can yet prove his worth, but thus far I'll admit it's not looking too hopeful.

All Johnson has to do is that thing where he makes a fist, with his thumb resting out on top of his his fingers, push his hand forward to emphasise his word salad and that's enough to clamp Starmer shut. It's a car crash. I think "waiting for the pandemic to be over before taking the govt to task" has also been disastrous. Probably one that had to be taken but that's the breaks.

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The SNP could hardly have been more contemptuous of Cummings last year yet are now claiming he needs to be taken seriously? A kind of reversal of their attitude to Salmond, the man who they thought could walk on water not so long ago but who they now revile.

This Cummings guff will blow over soon enough. Anyone with an interest in politics surely doesn't think it's all sweetness and light within a government? The pressure must be intense and there will be internal bust-ups all the time. Whatever Boris Johnson may have said privately about Hancock, it's probably no worse than Sturgeon has had say behind closed doors about Salmond (plus his Alba defectors) or indeed the likes of Margaret Ferrier, Natalie McGarry, Derek Mackay or Mark McDonald over the years.

You may or may not be right with the above. I personally couldn't care less about Johnson's opinion of Hancock.

However, the point is, if he felt Hancock was hopeless, why did he leave him in such an important position during the biggest national health emergency in any of our lifetimes?

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Corbyn, I'm afraid to say, just wasn't up to the job. He treated PMQs as a mini class war, with one eye on how his performance would play out on social (ist) media platforms. Cameron regularly batted him aside, May was as dismal an orator as Corbyn and Johnson just had to inject a bit of life into proceedings (even if much of it was guff) to leave Corbyn floundering. Electing him as leader set the Labour Party back, I'd say, at least another five years on top of the damage wrought by Milliband. I hold out hope that if some semblance of 'normal' politics returns before the next election Starmer can yet prove his worth, but thus far I'll admit it's not looking too hopeful.

Ah yes socialist media