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Peston just summed it up perfectly. May's reckless election in 2017, which was all about Brexit saw Lab and Con get 82% of vote. Both parties have failed to listen to that result - those in 2017 that wanted Brexit and a clean break with Europe overwhelmingly voted Tory and those that wanted to remain voted Labour.
This will just ensure whoever wins the Tory leadership election will go for No Deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlesgaeHibby
SNP romp home in Glasgow.
The Tories doing better in Scotland than in England, that's a statement I don't think anyone would ever think would be said.
Italy
Salvini's Lega( far right) expected to win with 29% of vote.....
Hungary
Orban's Fidesz(far right) tops poll with 52% of vote..
They've had 2 days to get their s*** together. Why are all the results not available at the same time? I want to go to my bed :grr:
You can go to your bed safe in the knowledge that the end result will be: roughly half the UK has voted for Remainy parties and roughly half has voted for Leavy parties. Surprise!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Hackett
And sleep till midday if you want to wake up to the final Scottish detail.
3 seats nailed on for SNP.
Remainy’s in the lead so far.[emoji3]Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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SNP actually came surprisingly close to winning Shetland. 26% to 30%.
Very clear - again - that Scotland wants to remain in the EU. The rest of the UK (maybe NI apart, I don't know) is willing to accept it. Time for the lib dems to pick one or the other.
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Originally Posted by Diclonius
a lot of my fellow nats were going to be quite happy with two
Labour got 15% in Glasgow.
15%! In Glasgow!
Ian Murray on his bosses : i'm starting to wonder if they are tory sleepers :greengrin
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Remain parties leading.
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Turnout estimated at around 37%. That's a lot of wriggle room for the main losers
Not the way the seats are working out though - Fauxrage'll be claiming clear mandates for all his policies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Absolutely. Remain vote split over multiple parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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I can't help but feel that tonight is the start of a big push for No Deal.
It pushes Tories to no deal, Lab to remain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
It would in a sane universe, but it's equally likely to push Labour toward no deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
His what? [emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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Could we be looking at both the government and the opposition facing leadership battles while Brexit rudderlessly drifts towards a no deal?
51% turnout across EU27, highest for 25 years
Unarguable difference in voting in Sco compared to rest of GB, but our new BBC Sco channel chucks it in before (Western Isles apart) the results aren't all in. It's early for breakfast but, duly telt, I'll eat my cereal.
Beat me to it :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
South East result in so I'm turning in.... Witch alert... Widdicombe's on my telly!
His policies. The ones he said he would make up after he got elected. Clear mandate for them now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
SNP win Moray. Clean sweep of the mainland. Wow.
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Originally Posted by Diclonius
quite a turnaround, had the highest 'Leave' percentage of any scottish council area in the 2016 referendum @ 49.9%, folks must have been doing a lot of hard thinking in the last 3 years, like most i suppose
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Where's Ruth Davidson out of the Ruth Davidson party?
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Don't want to piss on the parade but...
SNP vote share at the 2017 GE was 36.9%
SNP vote share in the Euro Elections looking like 37.9%, one council still to declare.
So despite 3 years of total chaos is an increased vote share of 1% something to celebrate?
More people still voted to Leave the EU than voted for the SNP.
The pro Indy parties in Scotland, the SNP and Greens still less than 50% of the vote. About 45%, the same as in 2014.
If this is a 'landslide' for then SNP with a vote share under 40% on a turnout of also under 40%. Then what would you describe the No vote in 2014 of 55% on a turnout of 85%. A massive landslide?
Hope you all have a good night.
the greens have done very well in gaining 69 seats so far across europe
wee Greta having an effect :greengrin
Adjusted for civility! Between snp, greens and Lib dems, Scotland has resolutely voted remain. Again. You'll tell us why we have gladly accept leaving the EU though.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
It has voted Remain yes. I voted Remain. I was just making some casual observations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
But people were told a vote for the SNP would stop Brexit, so what's the plan between now and October to fulfil that promise?
I'm in the shires and totally disagree with you. Glad to be an obstacle to your very generalised commentQuote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
I wasn't allowed to vote so won't be buying another British car any other British goods (except Whisky and PGTips).
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Originally Posted by James310
Hang on. Your post was all about your views on the SNP's vote. My point was about Scotland- AGAIN - voting remain. It's not for me to tell you how we should stay in the EU. Tell me, please, why we should accept leaving the EU.
Watching the BBC, the "big" parties are hurting badly. Tories and Labour are totally not relevant today
Well we can go through it all again if you really want to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
So in 2016 there was a UK wide referendum (the UK Scotland voted to remain part of) and all the votes from across the whole of the UK were added up between Remain and Leave. Leave got more votes than Remain, so they therefore 'won' that vote.
Fine. But you were banging on about the SNP. You were suggesting the remain vote was just about the SNP. You are clearly an avowed unionist, so it's predictable that you'd ignore the Greens, but you want us to ignore the lib dems, too? They're on your side! It is undoubted that Scotland wants to remain in the EU. Not even an argument against that.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
So, we are leaving because we voted "No" in 2014?
Great result for the SNP tonight. Shame that the Greens didn't gets seat. What about Labour, total shambles. There is a certain poster who is conspicuous by his absence on this thread. Mon Scottish Labour indeed!! Labour is fronted by the two worst "leaders" I can ever remember, which is a bit sad really.
For a party that has been in government for so long to actually increase their vote is pretty amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Ignore the media hype. This is a failure for the brexit party and neither the SNP, or the Lib Dems, or the Greens are obliged to include them in any brexit talks.
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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
They're doing incredibly well for a party that is "failing Scotland" in the eyes of British Unionist/Nationalists.
I have to say it annoys me to see the old Y2K argument being rolled out again. The reason it wasn't a problem is precisely because many people worked to resolve it in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
I personally owned and used software which failed on 1 January 2000 because its authors didn't change it.
Did you forget "Better Togethers" promise of leaving the EU if we voted NO? :tsk tsk:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
I sure did. As did everybody else I know.
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Disappointed to see the Greens come very close to overhauling Labour but not quite managing it. Overall though pretty pleased with the results. The Brexit Party essentially condensed the Tory and leave vote into one and still had an average night at best in Scotland. Make no mistake, they wanted far better.
Has Ruth gone colour blind, and used the wrong crayons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Fantastic night which cements the SNP as the party for Scotland.
Can anyone spot the border. 😊
SNP vote up from 29% in the last EU election to 38% this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Ach, it's not really a big rise though. 😂😂
Pretty comprehensive win for the SNP in Scotland - reading Tweets from some of the Conservatives in Scotland is really funny - because they did less **** here than the rUK, they've championing themselves as having "succeeded" something. No matter how you spin it, the Conservatives and Labour both took a national pasting.
The SNP asked for votes to help them "stop Brexit". They've got their votes. Now what?
Aye, but it's still less than 50%. A clear victory for the Ruth Davidson party in Scotland. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
WTF are you doing comparing like for like? You're meant to use whatever statistics suit your argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
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So let me get this right:
1 in every 2.63 voters in Scotland voted for SNP
1 in every 6.80 voters in the Scotland voted for the Brexit party
1 in every 7.19 voters in the Scotland voted for the Lib Dems
1 in every 8.54 voters in Scotland voted for the Conservatives
This is somehow a bad night for SNP?
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It's being dressed up in the media as some sort of rampant success for the brexit party and a clear endorsement for a hard brexit. Which was pretty much expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
In truth. Nigel Farages following hasn't budged over the past several years.
Surely it was in their manifesto as that was the big claim for their campaign, vote for the SNP to stop Brexit? What is the plan between now and October?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
Britain will send 10 MORE more pro-EU MEPs to Brussels than in 2014. Last time there were 43 UKIP plus Tories - this time Brexit + Tories will be only 33. Whichever way you look at it, Brexit has LOST this election.
https://twitter.com/kaletsky/status/...515539456?s=21
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You voted Lib Dem did you not? What is their plan to "stop Brexit"?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
The SNP don't need a plan. It's a win/win for the SNP, even if brexit goes ahead.
Hang on, the SNP claimed a vote for them would stop Brexit, how? Maybe the Lid Dems mislead me. Did the SNP do the same?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
The SNP didn't campaign on a ticket to "stop brexit" like the Lib Dems falsely did. They campaigned on making it clear that Scotland did not want to leave Europe with the rest of the UK. The SNP never claimed they could stop the UK from leaving. (Unlike the Lib Dems).Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
You can dress up statistics in lots of ways. Another one is only 18.2% of the electorate voted for pro Indy parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
I think if I was a SNP supporter I would of course be happy at the results, but a review of the underlying figures suggests they have not really moved forward much at all in the last few years. I am sure the leadership would have believed the chaos of the last few years would have moved them forward more.
They are up about 9% on last euro elections arnt they?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
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Ah, the old "those who didn't bother voting, support the same thing I support" argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
You know full well the EU elections have nothing to do with support for Scottish Independence and the results in EU elections don't mirror the results in general elections or referendums.
It's an utterly desperate argument to make.
Are you really saying that James310 misrepresented the SNP message?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
Sorry but that is clearly not true. They absolutely did claim that and a quick search on Google shows Nicola Sturgeon next to 'Stop Brexit' signs and same for Alyn Smith. Lots of tweets from SNP politcians as well saying the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
I am not sure how I post images, if I could I would.
I'm sure it was an honest mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
The difference between the SNP and the Lib Dems is that the SNP don't actually need to stop brexit. They just have to make it look as if they're trying to stop it. Brexit would be a god send for the SNP and the case for Scottish Independence.
https://news.sky.com/story/eu-electi...ssage-11715591Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
Picture in the link.
Are you saying they never went with a Stop Brexit message? Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Whichever way you look at it all last night has told us is that the UK is still deeply divided almost in half . Its even worse in Scotland which is divided between Leave/Remain in the EU and Yes/No to independance . Great times to be living in :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Well some SNP politcians seem to think they do, apparently this is another reason for Independence. Get the party story straight, you say they don't but senior members of the party do. Confusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
I know which images and signs you are referring to. But anybody with at least half a brain recognizes that Scotlands 6 MEPs will more than likely have very little influence over the other 67.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
The SNP want to "stop brexit". They weren't however claiming that they actually can. Where as the Lib Dems were claiming that a vote for them would actually stop brexit from happening.
Aye you're right. But it wasn't saying "we will stop brexit" it was saying "EU elections: Nicola Sturgeon urges Scotland to send 'stop Brexit' message".Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Which is what has been done. Semantics I know, but that's how you post.
Excuse me. But how many people backed the "say naw tae Scottish referendums" party in Scotland in this election?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
What's the problem. They were showing that they wanted brexit stopped. They weren't for one moment claiming that they could stop it.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
I'd have said so too. But Farage has detected something more precise, claiming that the results show a 52-48 split in his favour. He must be a real wizard at maths. Or maybe just a congenital liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli1875
He is up about 4% on his last euro election victoryQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Considering the tory and Labour losses its hardly earth shattering
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Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
a point lost on many :agree:
tommy robinson only picked up 2.2% of the vote, losing his 5k deposit
Milkshaked and jeered off stage in Manchester apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
I'm not into public flogging, but i'll make an exception in this case, considering it would be the norm under a Tommy Robinson society.
Kirsty Blackman completely cut off on Sky News there. While they talk a bunch of nonsense around the table on how Scotland doesn't want another referendum. :grr:
I voted SNP which I always have, and it will be interesting to hear Ruth Davidson on the dreadful performance from the Tories, we normally only hear from her when they're scoring points. They haven't scored any this time round.
Any reaction from Tornadoes yet? 🙊
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Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
we will need to disagree on this topic :) this milkshaking trend is getting out of hand imo, no matter how odious/repugnant robinson/farage et all are i think this new fad is appalling, they have a democratic right to canvass without fear of getting assaulted, protest by all means, but assault, nah not for me i'm afraid
:agree: but I don't think it's a democratic right, it's just a right. Milkshaking is infantile but so has been some of the language used by the milkshaked. In particular, use of words like betrayal and anti-democratic. Hijacking language for their own purposes has boosted their vote but hasn't helped the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
2014 the SNP+Green vote was 37% and Indy got 45%.
2019 the SNP+Green vote was 46%.
It's going the right way.
**** off Mr Yaxley-Lennon :na na:Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
This petition got more support than the Brexit Party did last night.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584
A massive result for the SNP in the Scottish borders last Thursday.
We're on the right path.
We even won, Moray. ✌🏆
In Scotland Snp increase their representation in Europe by 50% Conservative decrease their representation by 50%
That is fairly clear. Pro EU parties 67% representation in Scotland.
Which actually fits the Remain-Leave polling in Scotland pretty well atm (probably sightly under represents Remain).Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
What % of the population voted in the elections
About 40% in Scotland I think, which was up a few points on 2014.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Turnout at EU elections in Scotland:Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
1999: 24.7%
2004: 30.6%
2009: 28.5%
2014: 33.5%