The EU Referendum (How did you vote?)

[Glory Lurker]

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It has voted Remain yes. I voted Remain. I was just making some casual observations.

But people were told a vote for the SNP would stop Brexit, so what's the plan between now and October to fulfil that promise?

Hang on. Your post was all about your views on the SNP's vote. My point was about Scotland- AGAIN - voting remain. It's not for me to tell you how we should stay in the EU. Tell me, please, why we should accept leaving the EU.

[wpj]

Watching the BBC, the "big" parties are hurting badly. Tories and Labour are totally not relevant today

[James310]

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Hang on. Your post was all about your views on the SNP's vote. My point was about Scotland- AGAIN - voting remain. It's not for me to tell you how we should stay in the EU. Tell me, please, why we should accept leaving the EU.

Well we can go through it all again if you really want to?

So in 2016 there was a UK wide referendum (the UK Scotland voted to remain part of) and all the votes from across the whole of the UK were added up between Remain and Leave. Leave got more votes than Remain, so they therefore 'won' that vote.

[Glory Lurker]

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Well we can go through it all again if you really want to?

So in 2016 there was a UK wide referendum (the UK Scotland voted to remain part of) and all the votes from across the whole of the UK were added up between Remain and Leave. Leave got more votes than Remain, so they therefore 'won' that vote.

Fine. But you were banging on about the SNP. You were suggesting the remain vote was just about the SNP. You are clearly an avowed unionist, so it's predictable that you'd ignore the Greens, but you want us to ignore the lib dems, too? They're on your side! It is undoubted that Scotland wants to remain in the EU. Not even an argument against that.

So, we are leaving because we voted "No" in 2014?

[weecounty hibby]

Great result for the SNP tonight. Shame that the Greens didn't gets seat. What about Labour, total shambles. There is a certain poster who is conspicuous by his absence on this thread. Mon Scottish Labour indeed!! Labour is fronted by the two worst "leaders" I can ever remember, which is a bit sad really.

[Hibrandenburg]

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Don't want to piss on the parade but...

SNP vote share at the 2017 GE was 36.9%

SNP vote share in the Euro Elections looking like 37.9%, one council still to declare.

So despite 3 years of total chaos is an increased vote share of 1% something to celebrate?

More people still voted to Leave the EU than voted for the SNP.

The pro Indy parties in Scotland, the SNP and Greens still less than 50% of the vote. About 45%, the same as in 2014.

If this is a 'landslide' for then SNP with a vote share under 40% on a turnout of also under 40%. Then what would you describe the No vote in 2014 of 55% on a turnout of 85%. A massive landslide?

Hope you all have a good night.

For a party that has been in government for so long to actually increase their vote is pretty amazing.

[Fife-Hibee]

Ignore the media hype. This is a failure for the brexit party and neither the SNP, or the Lib Dems, or the Greens are obliged to include them in any brexit talks.

[Fife-Hibee]

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For a party that has been in government for so long to actually increase their vote is pretty amazing.

They're doing incredibly well for a party that is "failing Scotland" in the eyes of British Unionist/Nationalists.

[grunt]

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As for Y2K..ha I remember that well. A real chicken licken story that if ever there was one. Made the IT consultants a few quid though that’s for sure!!

I have to say it annoys me to see the old Y2K argument being rolled out again. The reason it wasn't a problem is precisely because many people worked to resolve it in time.

I personally owned and used software which failed on 1 January 2000 because its authors didn't change it.

[Fife-Hibee]

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So, we are leaving because we voted "No" in 2014?

Did you forget "Better Togethers" promise of leaving the EU if we voted NO?

I sure did. As did everybody else I know.

[Callum_62]

What a failure from the SNP.

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[Pretty Boy]

Disappointed to see the Greens come very close to overhauling Labour but not quite managing it. Overall though pretty pleased with the results. The Brexit Party essentially condensed the Tory and leave vote into one and still had an average night at best in Scotland. Make no mistake, they wanted far better.

[ronaldo7]

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What a failure from the SNP.

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Has Ruth gone colour blind, and used the wrong crayons.

Fantastic night which cements the SNP as the party for Scotland.

Can anyone spot the border. 😊

[ronaldo7]

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Don't want to piss on the parade but...

SNP vote share at the 2017 GE was 36.9%

SNP vote share in the Euro Elections looking like 37.9%, one council still to declare.

So despite 3 years of total chaos is an increased vote share of 1% something to celebrate?

More people still voted to Leave the EU than voted for the SNP.

The pro Indy parties in Scotland, the SNP and Greens still less than 50% of the vote. About 45%, the same as in 2014.

If this is a 'landslide' for then SNP with a vote share under 40% on a turnout of also under 40%. Then what would you describe the No vote in 2014 of 55% on a turnout of 85%. A massive landslide?

Hope you all have a good night.

SNP vote up from 29% in the last EU election to 38% this time.

Ach, it's not really a big rise though. 😂😂

[Sylar]

Pretty comprehensive win for the SNP in Scotland - reading Tweets from some of the Conservatives in Scotland is really funny - because they did less **** here than the rUK, they've championing themselves as having "succeeded" something. No matter how you spin it, the Conservatives and Labour both took a national pasting.

The SNP asked for votes to help them "stop Brexit". They've got their votes. Now what?

[Fife-Hibee]

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SNP vote up from 29% in the last EU election to 38% this time.

Ach, it's not really a big rise though. 😂😂

Aye, but it's still less than 50%. A clear victory for the Ruth Davidson party in Scotland.

[Peevemor]

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SNP vote up from 29% in the last EU election to 38% this time.

Ach, it's not really a big rise though. 😂😂

WTF are you doing comparing like for like? You're meant to use whatever statistics suit your argument.

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[Callum_62]

So let me get this right:

1 in every 2.63 voters in Scotland voted for SNP

1 in every 6.80 voters in the Scotland voted for the Brexit party

1 in every 7.19 voters in the Scotland voted for the Lib Dems

1 in every 8.54 voters in Scotland voted for the Conservatives

This is somehow a bad night for SNP?










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[Fife-Hibee]

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So let me get this right:

1 in every 2.63 voters in Scotland voted for SNP

1 in every 6.80 voters in the Scotland voted for the Brexit party

1 in every 7.19 voters in the Scotland voted for the Lib Dems

1 in every 8.54 voters in Scotland voted for the Conservatives

This is somehow a bad night for SNP?

It's being dressed up in the media as some sort of rampant success for the brexit party and a clear endorsement for a hard brexit. Which was pretty much expected.

In truth. Nigel Farages following hasn't budged over the past several years.

[James310]

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The SNP asked for votes to help them "stop Brexit". They've got their votes. Now what?

Surely it was in their manifesto as that was the big claim for their campaign, vote for the SNP to stop Brexit? What is the plan between now and October?

[grunt]

Britain will send 10 MORE more pro-EU MEPs to Brussels than in 2014. Last time there were 43 UKIP plus Tories - this time Brexit + Tories will be only 33. Whichever way you look at it, Brexit has LOST this election.

https://twitter.com/kaletsky/status/...515539456?s=21

[Callum_62]

Interesting that the Brexit vote in Scotland is basically the Tories and Ukip losses + 0.5%

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[Fife-Hibee]

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Surely it was in their manifesto as that was the big claim for their campaign, vote for the SNP to stop Brexit? What is the plan between now and October?

You voted Lib Dem did you not? What is their plan to "stop Brexit"?

The SNP don't need a plan. It's a win/win for the SNP, even if brexit goes ahead.

[James310]

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You voted Lib Dem did you not? What is their plan to "stop Brexit"?

The SNP don't need a plan. It's a win/win for the SNP, even if brexit goes ahead.

Hang on, the SNP claimed a vote for them would stop Brexit, how? Maybe the Lid Dems mislead me. Did the SNP do the same?

[Fife-Hibee]

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Hang on, the SNP claimed a vote for them would stop Brexit, how? Maybe the Lid Dems mislead me. Did the SNP do the same?

The SNP didn't campaign on a ticket to "stop brexit" like the Lib Dems falsely did. They campaigned on making it clear that Scotland did not want to leave Europe with the rest of the UK. The SNP never claimed they could stop the UK from leaving. (Unlike the Lib Dems).

[James310]

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So let me get this right:

1 in every 2.63 voters in Scotland voted for SNP

1 in every 6.80 voters in the Scotland voted for the Brexit party

1 in every 7.19 voters in the Scotland voted for the Lib Dems

1 in every 8.54 voters in Scotland voted for the Conservatives

This is somehow a bad night for SNP?










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You can dress up statistics in lots of ways. Another one is only 18.2% of the electorate voted for pro Indy parties.

I think if I was a SNP supporter I would of course be happy at the results, but a review of the underlying figures suggests they have not really moved forward much at all in the last few years. I am sure the leadership would have believed the chaos of the last few years would have moved them forward more.

[Callum_62]

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You can dress up statistics in lots of ways. Another one is only 18.2% of the electorate voted for pro Indy parties.

I think if I was a SNP supporter I would of course be happy at the results, but a review of the underlying figures suggests they have not really moved forward much at all in the last few years. I am sure the leadership would have believed the chaos of the last few years would have moved them forward more.

They are up about 9% on last euro elections arnt they?



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[Fife-Hibee]

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You can dress up statistics in lots of ways. Another one is only 18.2% of the electorate voted for pro Indy parties.

Ah, the old "those who didn't bother voting, support the same thing I support" argument.

You know full well the EU elections have nothing to do with support for Scottish Independence and the results in EU elections don't mirror the results in general elections or referendums.

It's an utterly desperate argument to make.

[grunt]

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The SNP didn't campaign on a ticket to "stop brexit" like the Lib Dems falsely did. They campaigned on making it clear that Scotland did not want to leave Europe with the rest of the UK. The SNP never claimed they could stop the UK from leaving. (Unlike the Lib Dems).

Are you really saying that James310 misrepresented the SNP message?