Can anyone explain why the bus would need to be impounded? It belongs to the SNP.Quote:
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Can anyone explain why the bus would need to be impounded? It belongs to the SNP.Quote:
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Could it no just be as likely that it's something as simple as they never renewed the road tax? I don't drive so not sure if it needs taxed if abandoned on a driveway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
No tax needed if it’s on a driveway. It’s a bit of a mystery why the bus is locked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
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If the owner/registered keeper had completed the SORN of Road request it could remain on the drive quite legally without paying for a Road Fund Licence (tax). The vehicle was seized and not returned to the owner and is in a secure compound suggests its evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
So am I. But its not just the legality of it all. It's the fact that the SNP hierarchy have allowed themselves to get into this situation is disappointing. When the questions were first raised they should have been in the position to say 'there you go, there's the information right there'.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
For example, if it were Hibs, I'd expect the owner and board to know who the auditor is and if there's a problem what has been done to resolve it.
The opposition parties and MSM have been itching for the opportunity to call crisis on the SNP. They weren't going to pass on an opportunity like this!
Missed this yesterday. This is a tweet from the current UK Foreign Secretary, one of the Great Offices of State. Just let that sink in.
https://twitter.com/JamesCleverly/st...705525760?s=20
Has there ever been anyone named so ironicallyQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I actually thought that was quite funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
It demonstrates a significant dumbing down in the quality of political discourse. I want my leaders to be above such ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
https://twitter.com/_kateforbes/stat...dxJXScFNwz8V4AQuote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
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has anyone been charged? is it possible that this investigation has been going on for two years and they haven't found anything really solid, so they're now just 'shaking the tree' in a final bid to see what falls out?
(not claiming that this is the case - I just saw someone on FB who is staunchly Labour and Unionist suggesting this was the case, having had dealings with the police in 'political' situations himself)
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcas...=1000609602280
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Two weeks after the arrest of the SNP chief executive, outside the home he shares with Nicola Sturgeon now the treasurer Colin Beatie, it looks like this won't be the last arrest, the point is that no is going to be arrested without reasonable grounds for an arrest.Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper
The SNP has been a closed shop for a very long time, the first minister was of course married to the chief executive, Beattie's predecessor resigned because he said he wasn't getting the information he needed to do his job as party treasurer.
This all indicates that the SNP is corrupt and senior members have been using party funds for their own gain, it will all come out when the report is sent to the Procurator Fiscal.
That last paragraph.[emoji23] You must be deep inside the investigation to know that?Quote:
Originally Posted by 147lothian
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The last paragraph could get you into trouble. 😆Quote:
Originally Posted by 147lothian
I don't have to be inside the investigation to know that this is what it indicates, if of course the SNP has nothing to hide and there has been no corruption they will all be vindicated, we just have to wait until the report goes to the Prosecutor Fiscal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Why use party funds to get a few Bob when they could have done the same as the torys and given millions in government contracts to their mates?Quote:
Originally Posted by 147lothian
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-65321409
Hard to take an in with the bricks Sturgeonite like Robison seriously when she claims the party needs to get its house in order. In fact it's hard to take her seriously full stop and I still find it hard to fathom Yousaf's thinking in giving her such a high profile government presence.
The story is unbelievable. I don't doubt that the Murrell-Sturgeon junta had far, far too much power within the SNP, but I can't imagine they would seek personal gain from financial wrong doing and party finances. It's smacks of stitch up and smear.
Fascinating to see how it unfolds and how damaging this will prove for the case for independence.
Can anyone confirm - the £600k in question - was this the money donated by those Weir folk who won the lottery?
Was there anyone else involved?
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
It was raised on a stand-alone website designed to attract non SNP supporting Yes voters. And it stated the money would be ring-fenced.
They live pretty modestly for a couple who would be in it for financial gain. I think the chances of that are very very remote.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
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Is there a link to that?Quote:
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jail time beckons
https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...pA&oe=64444951
The website was ref.Scot but it’s long gone now I think. i’m sure there will be screenshots etc available if you Google it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://www.thenational.scot/news/15...ce-referendum/
Last para.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
An Electoral Commission spokeswoman said:" The Electoral Commission regulates the rules on political finance set out in the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000 (PPERA), including those relating to the permissibility and reporting of donations to political parties. The purposes for which parties seek, obtain and use the donations they have received are matters for that party"
I've not really followed this thread and rarely watch news on tv (maybe wee bit on the radio). I'm amazed how much can pass me by in the world and I feel no loss for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
So, why is this happening? How could Murrell allow himself to get into this position?
Colin Beattie resigns as treasurer and all committees, saves Humza I suppose
It’s difficult to say what sort of situation he is in? For all we know he has done nothing illegal and the main problem is a lack of transparency in the party. That’s a party issue though and for them to sort out, not Police Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
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Good, it’s a start. Hopefully it was Humza who instigated it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Who will be under arrest next ? Sturgeon must surely be on the list
What we do know is the police investigation started in 2021 and is ongoing. That tends not to happen with “party issues” does it? That suggests at least some suspicion of criminality. Still, they may not find the requisite evidence, we will just have to watch and read (across every media platform 😀) and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Beattie wouldn't have resigned for no reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
Plenty more mileage in this sorry saga I suspect.
He resigned for a reason. He is under investigation therefore he can’t do the role. Not difficult.Quote:
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It’s only a party issue if the investigation stops is what I meant. If there are charges then that’s different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
Sure it’s fun for opposition supporters just now but eventually there will need to be a specific charge brought. Hopefully soon.
Long time till an election though.
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Nothing preventing him doing the role if he's not been charged or suspended. He was expected at Holyrood for a meeting today but sent his apologies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
We can but hope for a resolution. It’s a farce that taxpayers’ money, our money, needs spent establishing whether these people are bent or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I think that would be pretty tough TBH. Given that the party appears to be adopting a no suspension policy (unlike before) it would look awfulQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
If they're bent then it's tax payers money well spent bringing them to justice, if they're not bent then questions need to be asked about how this investigation is being conducted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
Just out of interest, how many Tories have been arrested in connection to all the corruption accusations flying around?
The no suspension U-turn already looks awful. Basically if you were in Sturgeon's inner cabal you're innocent until proven guilty. If not you get suspended.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
First paragraph, first sentence, I agree completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
First paragraph, second sentence, why and what questions? How would you know how the investigation is being conducted?
Second paragraph, come on! That’s desperate deflection and doesn’t fool anybody. Anyway, there is a whole thread for looking at Tory wrongdoing, I don’t think you are a stranger to it :greengrin
Shona Robinson says a bad culture was allowed to develop and the SNP has to get its house in order. She refuses to blame Sturgeon although I'm not sure who is to blame then for the bad culture and house not being in order
https://mobile.twitter.com/ConnorGil...35892909723650
Another question that the SNP needs to answer, for probity’s sake.
Was Sturgeon appointed acting SNP treasurer between Chapman going and Beattie being re-appointed?
Is being First Minister, party leader and party treasurer appropriate? If nothing else why would the FM be taking time out of their elected duties to run the finances of what we used to be told was a party with a huge membership?
Yousaf is acting treasurer today.Quote:
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Don’t see you on that thread very often though.[emoji6]Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
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I doubt everyone has played a part in the culture allowed to develop. People did ask questions. Imagine being Joanna Cherry and listening to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
How would you like to fund the criminal justice system?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
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I think if after all this nobody gets charged or no wrong doing can be proven, then it's fair to ask what the motivation behind the accusations were and why this investigation has been conducted in the manner it has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
Maybe I am deflecting or maybe I'm just playing devil's advocate, I've never voted for the SNP so consider myself more a supporter of independence rather than an SNP supporter so I'm not sure why I'd want to deflect and I honestly don't know if any Tories have had forensic tents erected on their front lawn or had members arrested before questioning? I think wanting a level playing field is relevant on any thread where there's suspected corruption.
But when I do, I post brilliantly :cb Anyway, it is a bit dull - it’s essentially a big pile-on but no one seems to have sussed out there’s no one at the bottom of the pile :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Fair point though. Mind you, I have never posted on the Ukraine thread or the trans rights thread despite them being pretty huge.
In person, you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
No, I mean if not taxpayers money then how? You know that though.[emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
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Suspects need to be arrested to be interviewed under caution …ie questioning 🙄 I imagine he will have been informed to attend a police station with his solicitor at a set time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
I get that the Electoral Commission rules guide the party leader to step in if it is not a seamless transition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
But given the levels of iffiness now and when Chapman resigned, would it not have been much better for them to have appointed someone else, even as an interim?
Okay. I think it’s a farce that the SNP are so incapable of transparently managing their party finances that it requires a two-year police investigation, at a cost to the public purse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I shouldn’t have been so naive though. After all the evidence was there in their incapable managing of public services, again at a cost to the public purse.
You mean, they should not obey the Electoral Commission rules? Interesting idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
You make a mockery of every thread you post on. It's the SNP's fault that the police have spent two years without making a charge? Ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
Let’s wait and see what the police investigation comes up with. Can’t be long now before we see some charges then we will have more info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
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Good grief, how hard is it? I asked whether it might have been in their best interest to have clear blue water between the roles, given the way things have panned out so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Or there is no evidence of any criminal activity but a full investigation has cleared them of any impropriety without usual cover up accusations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
No. It’s the SNP’s fault they are under investigation in the first place. Otherwise things wouldn’t have got to this stage. The police are only doing their job, in the full glare of the media spotlight admittedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
As for ‘mockery’ spare me the melodrama. You can’t even bring yourself to admit Douglas Chapman resigned because despite being treasurer he didn’t get to see where the money was. Instead you wander down cul-de-sacs about how just because it was reported in the Sunday Mail it can’t be true, or you start taking offence at quotation marks or whatever.
I appreciate that you are heavily-invested in all being well in SNP world and all being the fault of everyone else, and that is a tough place to be. But resorting to some sort of circular denial mentality out of Kafka does nothing for the discussion.
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Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
It must be very hard for people who are so heavily invested in something to be able to see/admit what looks like matters very damaging to that thing. Mind you Cherry, Salmond et al seem more enthusiastic about getting the disinfectant out.
Robison's position is completely untenable however. 'Things shouldn't have been allowed to come to this' says best mate of person who allowed things to come to this (and that's a charitable description). You could almost imagine she hadn't been a senior Minister and Sturgeon's bestie throughout Sturgeon's time as FM.
https://twitter.com/glennbbc/status/...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
New treasurer to be appointed asap.
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FWIW I think that this sounds closest to being an adequate description of what has been going on to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
It’ll be for others to decide whether it’s corrupt or criminal or the like.
Humza interim treasurer then the NEC will choose the next one. That's two treasurers in a row that will be unelectedQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
He could do the right thing and appoint Cherry, at least he would have confidence she'd carry it out properly. Also makes up for her being treated so badly when she was right all along. It would at least be an attempt to look like he's trying to unify the party and distance himself from NS for presiding over a poor culture. You can see the strain on his face, I don't know why but I actually feel a bit sorry for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
I wouldn’t worry too much, he won’t be leader for very long, then he can relax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
It's wheesht for indy taken to extremes, both among Sturgeon's former disciples (Robison being exhibit A with her Boris Johnson-esque attempts to emerge blameless from a mess she helped to make) and those who simply can't bear to take off the blinkers and at least pause to re-examine their unconditional support for the SNP as an exemplar vehicle for independence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
You're probably right. I might be losing it, am now feeling sorry for SNP leaders. My Daughter accused me of being a Lib Dem the other week, just cos I said I liked Christine Jardine, I can't even mind what she was saying for me to come out with that. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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Originally Posted by Jack
What about a multi million £ ferry contract going to an SNP mega donner :greengrin
Granted we don’t know what the police evidence is, but there is sufficient information in the public domain to form a view.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
shhhhhhh get with the program, nothing to see the SNP are motoring on!Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
:rules::rules: come on Greenginger, Hibs.net Holy Ground rules…don’t mention the SNP incompetence with the ferries :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
How come it gets mentioned every day, then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
I can find no reports of Ferguson Marine ever donating to the SNP and McColl, the previous owner, said he never did.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
A balls up? Yup. But no suggestion of a fast track type scenario.
Probably because posters recognise the utter incompetence over the ferries 🤷*♂️ I assumeQuote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
Kate forbes first column in the national
https://www.thenational.scot/politic...eeds-rhetoric/
Hearts and the SNP falling apart at the same
time. What a time to be alive lads!
They've both talked a lot of sense recently, Salmond especially so. The SNP should listen to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
Trying to pretend everything is fine or someone else's fault is only adding to the impression that they're trying to cover stuff up.
They're also tying themselves in knots saying they have to improve transparency and governance within their party, whilst at the same time saying there was nothing wrong with it under NS for the past decade!
I have just perused the equivalent thread across the road. Even the most ardent snp faithful from there are acknowledging this isn’t good and it’s hard to find backing for the snp
I was chatting yesterday to a pal who is an SNP member. They are enraged by what is happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
Not really followed this story much. Wonder if folks can help me with a few things.
Has it been established why the police needed to erect a blue forensic evidence tent on Sturgeon’s front lawn?
If the investigation has been going on two years, why are the police raiding addresses at 0700 in the morning? Is that in case those living at the addresses get wind of an impending raid and try and hide evidence? Maybe by burying in the front garden?
It seems a coincidence that the latest dawn raid would take place on the same day the new FM was to launch his premiership in parliament. Could they not have done it the day before, or after? Presumably it had to be done at that particular sunrise in case yon treasurer bloke buried evidence in his front garden?
Finally, does anyone have any idea what the charges will be? Maroon balloons across the city got away with borrowing money from themselves for years.
Cheers.
So it is allowed to mention it after all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Add to that we have the most corrupt British government in my lifetime now forbidding bilateral talks between Scottish representatives and their European partners and government ministers calling for the end of devolution in Scotland, if you're not concerned about democracy in Scotland then you really should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by bawheid
They just don't know they're doing it. 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
If that short debate between yourself and BH was a chess match, this response would be check mate 😄Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
This is the reaction I’d have expected of most SNP supporters, they’re the ones that have been let down the most.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
That there is still so much support for NS seems ridiculous to me as an outsider looking in.
Speculation from both sides is mind boggling. Surely best to wait and see what happens before having to backtrack. The line "I'm no lawyer and don't know the details but surely..." has been used by both to show its an injustice or that they are guilty
I’ve got a couple of mates who are long standing SNP members.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
They ain’t mentioned politics in a month.
A few people today going with Scotlands hospitals best in the uk well 26th,34th,38th
https://twitter.com/The_Dundonian/st...07355226394629
The_Dundonian
Honestly, that bloody Humza Yousaf making Scottish hospitals the best in the UK. How very dare he do such a good job? Bloody SNP doing things 100 times better than Labour in Wales and Tories in England
Think we have done well in the scale of things. There's nearly 2,000 hospitals in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...nited-kingdom/
I can only speak from my personal experience, I've had excellent care in the past at the Royal Infirmary. Just one example was I was due to have an op, I was gowned up and ready to be taken to theatre when the surgeon came out to speak to me personally to say they might have to cancel as he had just completed 2 back to back liver transplants. I was told they might be able to fit me in as they were assesing another patient who may not have been well enough to have surgery. He said I could wait and see or go home and they would reschedule. I decided to wait as I was all psyched up. They managed to operate that day, about 8 hours after the op when I was on the day bed ward the surgeon came to speak to me to check on how I was just before heading to a confernce in Europe. I sent him a letter afterwards to give him a photo of my barely noticeable scar to reassure future patients having the same op as the scarring is in an obvious place. He sent me a hand written note back. The level of dedication, time and genuine compassion he gave me was unbelievable. I googled him a while back, he now trains other consultants all over the UK.
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Originally Posted by archie
I was a member until a couple of years ago when I had to cut my cloth significantly.
It is a disgrace things have come to this, and anyone found guilty of anything they should have the book thrown at them.
But in a society whos criminal justice system is built on the phrase "innocent until proven guilty", then I will suspend my judgement until then.
Funnily enough I've just been chatting to a Labour member who is enraged by what is happening to his party.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
Yousaf has only deployed that phrase because the police action involves the SNP hierarchy (ie those who pulled out all the stops to get him elected). It didn't apply previously to less high profile colleagues. Michelle Thomson wasn't even arrested but was immediately suspended for being investigated by the police.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
He's too scared to suspend them in case Sturgeon gets arrested.
I did enjoy listening to Anas Sarwar showing up Yousaf at question time, Yousaf had the brass neck to suggest the Ferries are fine quoting statistics and saying new vessels are getting built. What really made me laugh was him suggesting that Sarwar using sound bites …coming from Mr Cliche and sound bite Humza that’s hilarious 😂
I missed it today but come on. Your surely not suggesting that Yousaf is worse than Sarwar for sound bites? Especially ones that don’t even cut through? Mr ‘not interested in leave or remain, yes or no’ or his latest ‘lame duck FM’. Sarwar is an empty vessel. We’ll have to wait a bit longer to find out if Yousaf is but it’s not even close between the two of them.Quote:
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Your kidding surely, every time Yousaf Opens his mouth a pre rehearsed sound bite or rehearsed blame someone else, rolls out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
He attacks the opposition for not providing solutions. I thought that was a Gov's job, with the opposition there to then scrutinise and question them on whether the solutions they implement have improved the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
An alternative view would be that he offered to listen to other solutions from the third party of the parliament. None was forthcoming though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
I hate PMQs and FMQs. Both pointless. PMQs is little more than theatrical insults dressed up as questions - or in the case of the SNP a chance to not even bother with a question, just make a mini speech about independence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
FMQs used to consist primarily of Sturgeon responding to pretty much any question with a variation of 'I won't be spoken to like that by a Tory/Labour/Lib Dem nonentity'. I'd imagine that as the continuity FM Yousaf will try to do similar.
Good postQuote:
Originally Posted by bawheid
Like yourself, I haven't actively followed this story at all tbh (or politics more generally, since the Supreme Court farce before Xmas)
There may well be some wrong-doing within the SNP, however - I struggle to believe anyone can honestly say this isn't primarily a smear campaign in a desperate bid to derail independence, I mean the media coverage has been off the charts !!
As you've correctly detailed, arguably the most corrupt English government ever have done worse for years now, with far less media scrutiny and outrage
Sad state of affairs all round, but I guess this is just what happens when the press are firmly in the pockets of the nasty party