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06-07-2012, 02:53 PM
Onion

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Originally Posted by jonty

The SPL should have reported Rangers to the SFA.
The SFA should have stepped in by now and concluded the EBT/Dual contract nonsense. They should have delt with the transfer embargo/court nonsense by now too.
That way, all the SPL/SFL would have to deal with would an application to join the league.

Instead, they get an application with added pressure from SFA/SPL and little time to sort out fixtures, internal league promotions for potential gap in Div1 etc.
The SFL should also have the team ready to fill the SPL vacancy (if there is to be one). Time is marching on and no progress appears to be made.

Complete nonsense. And what happened to Hector and his investigation?

:agree: Once the huns are voted into Div 1, there will be no going back. The opportunity to properly punish them for the years of cheating and financial crime will be all but gone. NOW is the time to deal with them properly, punt them into Div 3 and them expel them once the full details of their double contracts, tax evasion and other crimes become clear. Jees, there's even an independent investigation into D&P to deal with. IMHO, once the full extent of RFC's crimes are out, everyone will be wondering what all this fuss was about - they should be banned from playing football in any league.

If the Huns are given a "get out of jail" card into the Div 1, in less than 9 months, they will be back in the SPL with the strongest balance sheet of of ANY SPL club, virtually free of debt with huge cash flow. They will stick two fingers up to ever other club as they bypass them towards the top of the league and then set out to piss on everyone from a great height. The Huns have shown themselves to be a bitter mob and you can be guaranteed they will look for every opportunity to make the rest pay (as they have stated time and again).
06-07-2012, 02:53 PM
Baldy Foghorn

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Originally Posted by Twa Cairpets

That has to have been written by the same person as "The Document". There surely cant be two people who use the same appalling style, syntax and lack of quality producing powerpoints for consumption by the SFA/SPL/SFL?

That is a really, really bad document. The monumentally crass "WE ARE RANGERS" on the back page is a startlingly bad inclusion given the audience.

Green is either: (a) a completely incompetent moron, or (b) an evil genius who is planning to fail and get his mitts on property.

Agree, especially with the sentence in bold......I think page 5 of the document was to say to the "diddy teams", we are gods, vote us in or else.....I hope the SFL tell the rangers to Bolt.............
06-07-2012, 02:54 PM
Hibercelona

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Add East Fife to the "No" column. :greengrin

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/Sport/Fo...o-rangers.html

You know, I'm starting to think I might've been wrong about Fifers ... :wink:

We're no such a bad bunch once you get to know us. :wink:
06-07-2012, 02:54 PM
IWasThere2016

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Add East Fife to the "No" column. :greengrin

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/Sport/Fo...o-rangers.html

You know, I'm starting to think I might've been wrong about Fifers ... :wink:

MON THE FIFERS! :thumbsup:
06-07-2012, 02:55 PM
21.05.2016

''If it had been Motherwell or Hibs or Hearts it wouldn't have come to this. The rules put Gretna into the Third Division, the rules put Livingston into the Third Division and the rules must put Rangers into the Third Division.''

:top marks

Good on them for making their position clear and not bowing to pressure.
06-07-2012, 03:11 PM
LeighLoyal

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Originally Posted by LAHIBBY

''If it had been Motherwell or Hibs or Hearts it wouldn't have come to this. The rules put Gretna into the Third Division, the rules put Livingston into the Third Division and the rules must put Rangers into the Third Division.''

:top marks

Good on them for making their position clear and not bowing to pressure.

Looking good Sevco won't get in SFL 1. :thumbsup:

I would bar them from SFL 3 also. Make them play non league until they can prove they are never going to cheat and con us all again.
06-07-2012, 03:12 PM
BEEJ

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Originally Posted by bernz

That document makes no sense.

Also they say the squad size as of 4th july is 8. They then go on to say they will voluntarily not sign any players until july 2013.
:confused:

You're forgetting that the ref and two linesmen make up their starting eleven.
06-07-2012, 03:14 PM
Baldy Foghorn

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Originally Posted by FalkirkHibby

Looking good Sevco won't get in SFL 1. :thumbsup:

I would bar them from SFL 3 also. Make them play non league until they can prove they are never going to cheat and con us all again.

I won't get too excited yet, as I am sure there will be a sting in the tail, courtesy of Doncaster and Regan....My hope burns strongly that we never see Newco at any level.....Will look forward to such "social unrest", if it happens.....
06-07-2012, 03:15 PM
Hibby Kay-Yay

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Originally Posted by FalkirkHibby

Looking good Sevco won't get in SFL 1. :thumbsup:

I would bar them from SFL 3 also. Make them play non league until they can prove they are never going to cheat and con us all again.

Or at least be able to provide 1 years worth of accounts...as per the rules :wink:
06-07-2012, 03:16 PM
Captain Trips

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Originally Posted by LAHIBBY

''If it had been Motherwell or Hibs or Hearts it wouldn't have come to this. The rules put Gretna into the Third Division, the rules put Livingston into the Third Division and the rules must put Rangers into the Third Division.''

:top marks

Good on them for making their position clear and not bowing to pressure.

Indeed

Applying the rules would have allowed both Doncasrer and Regan to get on with their jobs of selling the unique products left in SPL and SFL they would have had weeks if not months to look at advertising look at all sorts of things to assure the other member clubs are not forgotten.

The 2 clowns have spent most if not all of their time on trying to keep Rangers as high as they could and neglecting any positives that can come out this, Scotland had a chance to show right away we deal with clubs no matter who they are.

Clubs might be losing money because the 2 idiots have not been doing their jobs correctly in marketing the product amongst other things.
06-07-2012, 03:17 PM
Andy74

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Originally Posted by bernz

That document makes no sense. First they say they are a new company with no ties to the old rangers. Then they have a picture on the back from a game of the old rangers saying 'we are rangers'.

Also they say the squad size as of 4th july is 8. They then go on to say they will voluntarily not sign any players until july 2013.

:confused:

They would probably have meant senior players over 18.
06-07-2012, 03:22 PM
Hibercelona

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Originally Posted by BEEJ

You're forgetting that the ref and two linesmen make up their starting eleven.

:agree:

They'll also have Doncaster, Regan, Young & Traynor on the bench.
06-07-2012, 03:23 PM
Hibby Kay-Yay

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Originally Posted by Andy74

They would probably have meant senior players over 18.

The press story about Ian Black signing must have irked a few folk
06-07-2012, 03:25 PM
Hibercelona

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Originally Posted by Carlsberg

Indeed

Applying the rules would have allowed both Doncasrer and Regan to get on with their jobs of selling the unique products left in SPL and SFL they would have had weeks if not months to look at advertising look at all sorts of things to assure the other member clubs are not forgotten.

The 2 clowns have spent most if not all of their time on trying to keep Rangers as high as they could and neglecting any positives that can come out this, Scotland had a chance to show right away we deal with clubs no matter who they are.

Clubs might be losing money because the 2 idiots have not been doing their jobs correctly in marketing the product amongst other things.

:top marks

With enough research into the matter, their would be other ways found to bring more cash into the SPL.

Thats what they should have been spending their time doing, instead of what they have been attempting to do.

If the game suffers financially, its because of these clowns.
06-07-2012, 03:30 PM
ScottB

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Originally Posted by Hibby Kay-Yay

The press story about Ian Black signing must have irked a few folk

It was a spectacular own goal, proving that the club hasn't learned a damn thing through this process. The stories about their 'presentation' sum that up.
06-07-2012, 03:37 PM
Matty_Jack04

http://saintinasia.wordpress.com/201...are-to-europe/

Interesting thoughts on the tv revenue argument
06-07-2012, 03:47 PM
Baldy Foghorn

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Originally Posted by ScottB

It was a spectacular own goal, proving that the club hasn't learned a damn thing through this process. The stories about their 'presentation' sum that up.

Agreed, they are still as arrogant and dismissive of others as they were prior to this whole saga.......
06-07-2012, 03:54 PM
steakbake

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Originally Posted by Matty_Jack04

http://saintinasia.wordpress.com/201...are-to-europe/

Interesting thoughts on the tv revenue argument

We're being sold short by the very people who should be selling the value of the product. With Sevco out of the picture for at least a year, I'm hopeful there will be a more exciting league.

Clearly, SFA are more concerned about history than the future.

The Herald article today was excellent: this is not the end of Scottish football. With the right men in charge, making the right decisions, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity to rejig the game and for clubs to be doing an awful lot better than they've been doing in the past.
06-07-2012, 04:02 PM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by marinello59

Yes, change because it is needed and not to accomodate cheats. You seem to be adopting the same tunnell visioned approach to this whole thing that our games administrators have done. Used properly this situation could have provided a major impetus to much needed change. Unfortunately our games leaders totally blew it by betting everything on Rangers continuing to exist as before. (Doncaster was in complete denial about the prospect of them actually going in to liquidation.) That was a major betrayal of the Scottish game. It would be just as dumb to imagine that banishing Rangers to SFL3 is going to improve anything. It won't, in three years time they will be back stronger than ever. Their best chance of becoming the same dominant force will be served by starting in SFL3 rather than SFL1. (Don't get me wrong, I want them in SFL3 but it may not be the best solution for the Scottish game. ) Anybody who thinks Rangers are dead is deluded. They will be playing in the same park, in the same strips and enjoying exactly the same financial advantage. Patting ourselves on the backs and basking in the glow of self righteousness that sporting integrity has been served will be a pyrrhic vitory. Every other club will have been punished financially for their misdoings and by the time they are back in the SPL some may be gone. Where is the justice in that? It's all very well saying clubs that don't cut their cloth now deserve to die but contracts and planning were all based on the current level of cash coming in to the game. Scottish football is engaged in that bloodiest of all wars, civil wars. Without pragmatism and compromise we will all be losers. I don't believe the figures we have seen chucked at the SFL clubs for a second but nobody can be in any doubt that finances will be quite a bit tighter without Rangers in the top league. I agree with you about the need strong leaders with a clear vision in place. That vision should cover the whole picture, not just the demands of the Old Firm or the top teams nor the ever changing demands of the mob.

I'm missing why you think that the Huns being in D3 inevitably stops any overall improvements being made. Why are the two mutually exclusive? :confused:
06-07-2012, 04:02 PM
Jack

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Originally Posted by Matty_Jack04

http://saintinasia.wordpress.com/201...are-to-europe/

Interesting thoughts on the tv revenue argument

Suggests to me the the SPL / Doncaster are even more incompetent than ever imagined.
06-07-2012, 04:04 PM
blackpoolhibs

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Originally Posted by Jack

Suggests to me the the SPL / Doncaster are even more incompetent than ever imagined.

It certainly looks that way. :agree:
06-07-2012, 04:05 PM
Saorsa

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Originally Posted by reallapsedhibee

I'm missing why you think that the Huns being in D3 inevitably stops any overall improvements being made. Why are the two mutually exclusive? :confused:

Indeed, I must be missing that too as we seem tae be going in circles. Change can be made without compromising the rules that exist for new clubs. Why must this new club be fudged in further up than they should be before we can have change for the good of all?
06-07-2012, 04:07 PM
Saorsa

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Originally Posted by Jack

Suggests to me the the SPL / Doncaster are even more incompetent than ever imagined.

If you could ever have thought that possible. :bitchy:
06-07-2012, 04:18 PM
Matty_Jack04

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Originally Posted by ScottB

It was a spectacular own goal, proving that the club hasn't learned a damn thing through this process. The stories about their 'presentation' sum that up.

There was something about zombiehun being after Beattie today somewhere maybe bbc gossip Collum cannae mind anyway it's beginning to reek of the 'media monkeys' trying to tempt the mad one out of his cage for some of his thoughts on the matter, to then probably spin the 'if rangers are away this man will run Scottish football' headlines in the papers
06-07-2012, 04:43 PM
greenginger

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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan

Indeed, I must be missing that too as we seem tae be going in circles. Change can be made without compromising the rules that exist for new clubs. Why must this new club be fudged in further up than they should be before we can have change for the good of all?

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/r...ear-or-favour/

But Regan has already stated the rules will be implemented without " fear or favour ". Think he needs reminding of his own words.
06-07-2012, 04:58 PM
Hibercelona

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Originally Posted by Matty_Jack04

There was something about zombiehun being after Beattie today somewhere maybe bbc gossip Collum cannae mind anyway it's beginning to reek of the 'media monkeys' trying to tempt the mad one out of his cage for some of his thoughts on the matter, to then probably spin the 'if rangers are away this man will run Scottish football' headlines in the papers

Their may be some truth to that.

He seemed very adamant about keeping Rangers in the SPL.
06-07-2012, 05:01 PM
marinello59

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Originally Posted by reallapsedhibee

I'm missing why you think that the Huns being in D3 inevitably stops any overall improvements being made. Why are the two mutually exclusive? :confused:

I am saying that merely throwing Rangers in to SFL3 will change nothing and will actually be better for them in the long term. They will return to the SPL sanction free and cash rich. The duopoly will continue as before. Meanwhile other clubs will have paid a heavy financial penalty. Is that fair?
A heavily sanctioned Rangers in SFL1 with a fairer distribution of income would bring us much closer to an even playing field. Of course change is possible with Rangers in SFL3 but the whole game will be enduring a financial headache of its own making. If you think the standard of player in the SPL is poor now be prepared for standards to slip even further.
06-07-2012, 05:05 PM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by marinello59

I am saying that merely thrwoing Rangers in to SFL3 will change nothing and will actually b better for them in the long term. They will return to the SPL sanction free and cash rich. The duopoly will continue as before. Meanwhile other clubs will have paid a heavy financial penalty. Is that fair?
A heavily sanctioned Rangers in SFL1 with a fairer distribution of income would bring us much closer to an even playing field. Of course change is possible with Rangers in SFL3 but the whole game will be enduring a financial headache of its own making. If you think the standard of player in the SPL is poor now be prepared for standards to slip even further.

Well let's have a heavily sanctioned Hun in SFL3 then! Why not? :dunno:
06-07-2012, 05:06 PM
marinello59

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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan

Indeed, I must be missing that too as we seem tae be going in circles. Change can be made without compromising the rules that exist for new clubs. Why must this new club be fudged in further up than they should be before we can have change for the good of all?

Fudged up? That's your opinion. The world operates on a mixture pragmatism and compromise for the greater good. I don't know what the best way forward is but I am pretty sure that simpy saying no to everything except one outcome ain't going to help anything.
06-07-2012, 05:07 PM
Matty_Jack04

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Originally Posted by wee_hibee

Their may be some truth to that.

He seemed very adamant about keeping Rangers in the SPL.

Yeh read that, very critical of motherwells fans votes if I mind rightly

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