Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[CropleyWasGod]

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What stadium will Rangers be playing their home games at this season?

Or has it not been decided yet?

Nobody outside of the RFC/Sevco circle even knows who owns Ibrox.

[Hibercelona]

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Nobody outside of the RFC/Sevco circle even knows who owns Ibrox.

Well it certainly won't be them that own it.

They couldn't own a set of goal posts without going bust right now.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Interesting reports of Rangers season ticket sales of only 250 so far. They can't get the facilities for direct debit or even card payments, so it's cash only.

[PatHead]

Is it just me. I keep hearing that the SPL have dumped the problem in the SFL's lap.

The facts are Rangers are going into liquidation and will be unable to complete their fixtures for next season. The SPL have refused to transfer Rangers share to a Newco as they don't meet criteria. A club will now be invited to join the SPL from SFL first division creating a vacancy in the SFL.

As I understand it the SFL have decided to hold a vote on which Division they are to join. This has nothing to do with the SPL. The SPL were invited to talk at an EGM and sent Doncaster along. The SFL did not need to hold such a vote, they could if they had chosen followed precedents and simply invited applications to join the SFL, considered them and invited a club to join in the 3rd division.

I just don't understand why they (the SFL) have put such pressure on their member clubs. The problem is of their own making by considering a special case for the club formally known as Rangers.

I think the head of the SFL (Longmuir) is just as culpable as Doncaster and Regan. Any weazling he does now should not excuse this and I hope to God he doesn't get the SFA job when it is vacated by Regan in the event of all these amalgamations.

[Caversham Green]

And here's why I thought Charles Green had a hand in that document...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...rox-newco.html

Also an outline of the SFL voting process.

[CropleyWasGod]

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And here's why I thought Charles Green had a hand in that document...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...rox-newco.html

Also an outline of the SFL voting process.

"Longmuir also revealed details of the voting process that will be applied. The first vote will decide if the SFL can accept Rangers, with a simple majority required.

If that ballot is in favour of a Rangers application, it will be, according to Longmuir, “supplemented by further resolutions that we would have to implement to change our rules."

So... say 51% vote them in. They then have to change the rules to make that possible. If those rule changes require, say, 75% approval.....you see where I'm going with this

[jonty]

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Is it just me. I keep hearing that the SPL have dumped the problem in the SFL's lap.

The facts are Rangers are going into liquidation and will be unable to complete their fixtures for next season. The SPL have refused to transfer Rangers share to a Newco as they don't meet criteria. A club will now be invited to join the SPL from SFL first division creating a vacancy in the SFL.

As I understand it the SFL have decided to hold a vote on which Division they are to join. This has nothing to do with the SPL. The SPL were invited to talk at an EGM and sent Doncaster along. The SFL did not need to hold such a vote, they could if they had chosen followed precedents and simply invited applications to join the SFL, considered them and invited a club to join in the 3rd division.

I just don't understand why they (the SFL) have put such pressure on their member clubs. The problem is of their own making by considering a special case for the club formally known as Rangers.

I think the head of the SFL (Longmuir) is just as culpable as Doncaster and Regan. Any weazling he does now should not excuse this and I hope to God he doesn't get the SFA job when it is vacated by Regan in the event of all these amalgamations.

The SPL should have reported Rangers to the SFA.
The SFA should have stepped in by now and concluded the EBT/Dual contract nonsense. They should have delt with the transfer embargo/court nonsense by now too.
That way, all the SPL/SFL would have to deal with would an application to join the league.

Instead, they get an application with added pressure from SFA/SPL and little time to sort out fixtures, internal league promotions for potential gap in Div1 etc.
The SFL should also have the team ready to fill the SPL vacancy (if there is to be one). Time is marching on and no progress appears to be made.

Complete nonsense. And what happened to Hector and his investigation?

[Caversham Green]

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"Longmuir also revealed details of the voting process that will be applied. The first vote will decide if the SFL can accept Rangers, with a simple majority required.

If that ballot is in favour of a Rangers application, it will be, according to Longmuir, “supplemented by further resolutions that we would have to implement to change our rules."

So... say 51% vote them in. They then have to change the rules to make that possible. If those rule changes require, say, 75% approval.....you see where I'm going with this

Yep, that'll confuse them.

Presumably the change of rules is to let them into SFL1 rather than SFL3, so if vote 1 is less than the 75% (assuming that's the majority needed) there's no point in holding vote 2.

[green glory]

Imagine they didn't get the votes to get into the SFL at all.

The ideal scenario IMO.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Complete nonsense. And what happened to Hector and his investigation?

I suspect it's in abeyance for the moment, for lots of reasons.

[PatHead]

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The SPL should have reported Rangers to the SFA.
The SFA should have stepped in by now and concluded the EBT/Dual contract nonsense. They should have delt with the transfer embargo/court nonsense by now too.
That way, all the SPL/SFL would have to deal with would an application to join the league.

Instead, they get an application with added pressure from SFA/SPL and little time to sort out fixtures, internal league promotions for potential gap in Div1 etc.
The SFL should also have the team ready to fill the SPL vacancy (if there is to be one). Time is marching on and no progress appears to be made.

Complete nonsense. And what happened to Hector and his investigation?

Disagree my post is complete nonsense. It is the facts as they now stand.

After weeks of criticising SPL for prevaricating I am now having a go at the SFL for even considering a special case. Not saying the SPL couldn't have dealt with the issues more promptly, the SFA shouldn't have provided leadership but what I am saying is WTF are the SFL even having a vote about administering special treatment to Rangers? The Board of the SFL should have opened up applications for a potential vacancy weeks ago and dealt with in the normal manner when the vacancy actually became available. ie Put the new club in the 3rd Division. This would have put an end to the saga.

By the way don't know the latest on the tax case but wouldn't surprise me if it dies a death whilst they go after Murray et al.

[joe breezy]

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Nobody outside of the RFC/Sevco circle even knows who owns Ibrox.

Even Bomber Broon

Show us the title deeds!!!

[Captain Trips]

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Even Bomber Broon

Show us the title deeds!!!

Got them Bomber, £8m to you then sir.

Deeds

[jonty]

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Disagree my post is complete nonsense. It is the facts as they now stand.

After weeks of criticising SPL for prevaricating I am now having a go at the SFL for even considering a special case. Not saying the SPL couldn't have dealt with the issues more promptly, the SFA shouldn't have provided leadership but what I am saying is WTF are the SFL even having a vote about administering special treatment to Rangers? The Board of the SFL should have opened up applications for a potential vacancy weeks ago and dealt with in the normal manner when the vacancy actually became available. ie Put the new club in the 3rd Division. This would have put an end to the saga.

By the way don't know the latest on the tax case but wouldn't surprise me if it dies a death whilst they go after Murray et al.

I wasnt disagreeing with you, I just put down what I think would have been the simplest route from the start.

The outcome is (and I think we all agree) that it has taken far too long to deal with what was a simple issue - a team entering administration.
From most posts on here (and other sites) the indications are that the rules state entry to Div3 on application for a new club

The other issues have been investigated and should have followed on from this, but the powers that be wont/havent made the outcome (and punishments) public.
On top of that we're still waiting on the a new punishment instead of the "transfer embargo/fine" that was appealed against. As it stood at the time, the ony option open was for disqualification/suspension from the league (if memory serves correctly) as the other options were seen as less of a punishment that the embargo/fine.

Doncaster et al keep digging themselves into a hole and it needs to be drawn to a conclusion sooner rather than later.

[PatHead]

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I wasnt disagreeing with you, I just put down what I think would have been the simplest route from the start.

The outcome is (and I think we all agree) that it has taken far too long to deal with what was a simple issue - a team entering administration.
From most posts on here (and other sites) the indications are that the rules state entry to Div3 on application for a new club

The other issues have been investigated and should have followed on from this, but the powers that be wont/havent made the outcome (and punishments) public.
On top of that we're still waiting on the a new punishment instead of the "transfer embargo/fine" that was appealed against. As it stood at the time, the ony option open was for disqualification/suspension from the league (if memory serves correctly) as the other options were seen as less of a punishment that the embargo/fine.

Doncaster et al keep digging themselves into a hole and it needs to be drawn to a conclusion sooner rather than later.

I also want to know what has happened about the sectarian singing, Ally's outburst about the SFA committee (bear in mind they weren't slow to penalise our Pat) and most importantly Sandy Jardine's threats.

[DCI Gene Hunt]

All would've been done and dusted within a couple of weeks without any drama or petulant arguing, voting etc. had the rule book been enforced and stuck to, as it is there to do so and has been in the past with other clubs. Instead corruption prevailed and those who enforce the rules tried to bend them to suit their beloved Rangers. Ipso Facto, long drawn-out bitter mess exposing the SFA for what they really are - a bunch of bent Glasgow-centric Old Firm-supporting shysters so brass-necked they can't even hide their bias. Unbelieveable!

Gene

[jonty]

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I also want to know what has happened about the sectarian singing, Ally's outburst about the SFA committee (bear in mind they weren't slow to penalise our Pat) and most importantly Sandy Jardine's threats.

As Banksy puts it....


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[Baldy Foghorn]

I picked up a Metro on the bus earlier, on the letters page I came across this little gem.....

Muppet from Glasgow "Only in Scotland are we hell bent on punishing a team, who tried to bring quality players into the game"......

Brilliant, someone should tell said muppet, that they have been cheating for years, paying players using EBT's, and running up astronomical debts in the process, then leaving their creditors with hee haw......Or is the muppet correct?

[Waxy]

If the SFL had followed their own rules
By now

Dundee or Dunfermline would be promoted to the SPL
Airdrie up to the first div
And Stranraer up to the second.

Leaving the gap in div three for any team wishing to apply.

Why aren't they following their own rules?

It's just crazy

[Bighoose]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...ox-newco.html#

Apologies if already posted - Copy of Rangers proposal to SPL the other day at top of page - brace yourselves for page 5

An SPL chairman who was present at the meeting said last night: “The brochure was very unimpressive and even more so because the wee diddy clubs got copies that were stapled together, but Celtic’s was spiral bound.

“It was also more than unfortunate that they were open at the page which referred to the voluntary transfer embargo when somebody got an alert on their Blackberry to say that Ian Black had announced he would sign for Rangers if they were accepted into the SPL.”

Chucko must have been there just for p$$$ take? Or is this the level of his professionalism?

[green glory]

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...ox-newco.html#

Apologies if already posted - Copy of Rangers proposal to SPL the other day at top of page - brace yourselves for page 5

An SPL chairman who was present at the meeting said last night: “The brochure was very unimpressive and even more so because the wee diddy clubs got copies that were stapled together, but Celtic’s was spiral bound.

“It was also more than unfortunate that they were open at the page which referred to the voluntary transfer embargo when somebody got an alert on their Blackberry to say that Ian Black had announced he would sign for Rangers if they were accepted into the SPL.”

Chucko must have been there just for p$$$ take? Or is this the level of his professionalism?

Anyone else of the opinion Charlie is deliberately sabotaging Newhun's chances of getting into any league? Even some on Hunmedia are discussing the possibility.

His handling of almost everything so far has been suspiciously cack-handed.

[ballengeich]

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If the SFL had followed their own rules
By now

Dundee or Dunfermline would be promoted to the SPL
Airdrie up to the first div
And Stranraer up to the second.

Leaving the gap in div three for any team wishing to apply.

Why aren't they following their own rules?

It's just crazy

The SFL has followed its rules impeccably so far. The SFL1 champions gain promotion to the SPL, but the SFL cannot promote anyone else. The SPL vote last week rejected the transfer of Rangers' share to Newco, but I haven't read anything to suggest that the old Rangers have subsequently been deprived of their share. When is that going to happen?

At the moment there is no vacancy in the SPL, no SFL team has been invited to join the SPL, and there is consequently no SFL vacancy. If the SPL is going to replace Rangers by an SFL1 team what's the reason for the delay?

[Hibercelona]

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Interesting reports of Rangers season ticket sales of only 250 so far. They can't get the facilities for direct debit or even card payments, so it's cash only.

I guess they were right when they said "we don't do walking away".

You can't walk away if you don't turn up in the first place.

[Twa Cairpets]

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And here's why I thought Charles Green had a hand in that document...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...rox-newco.html

Also an outline of the SFL voting process.

That has to have been written by the same person as "The Document". There surely cant be two people who use the same appalling style, syntax and lack of quality producing powerpoints for consumption by the SFA/SPL/SFL?

That is a really, really bad document. The monumentally crass "WE ARE RANGERS" on the back page is a startlingly bad inclusion given the audience.

Green is either: (a) a completely incompetent moron, or (b) an evil genius who is planning to fail and get his mitts on property.

[jonty]

Page five should have read:

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[Monts]

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And here's why I thought Charles Green had a hand in that document...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...rox-newco.html

Also an outline of the SFL voting process.

That document makes no sense. First they say they are a new company with no ties to the old rangers. Then they have a picture on the back from a game of the old rangers saying 'we are rangers'.

Also they say the squad size as of 4th july is 8. They then go on to say they will voluntarily not sign any players until july 2013.

[JeMeSouviens]

Add East Fife to the "No" column.

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/Sport/Fo...o-rangers.html

You know, I'm starting to think I might've been wrong about Fifers ...

[marinello59]

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Can we no have a revolutionary reform with them in division 3? What's wrong with having them in division 3 and then having the reform with them still starting at the bottom of the new set up!

Sorry, daft idea, there'd be nae discussion and nae will for it from the authorities if it wisnae tae try and invent a fudge for them. You ken it and I ken it. The only reform they wanted was a 10 team league tae stack things even further in favour of the OF. New teams start at the bottom, that's the rules and if we cannae have change without bending or breaking those rules why bother? What happens if they find another way tae cheat and get caught again 10 years down the line, will we change the rules and reorganise again because they must win and be at the top at all costs? No for me!

Change because it's needed, yes, change tae accommodate the return of (in all but name) cheats, NO!

Yes, change because it is needed and not to accomodate cheats. You seem to be adopting the same tunnell visioned approach to this whole thing that our games administrators have done. Used properly this situation could have provided a major impetus to much needed change. Unfortunately our games leaders totally blew it by betting everything on Rangers continuing to exist as before. (Doncaster was in complete denial about the prospect of them actually going in to liquidation.) That was a major betrayal of the Scottish game. It would be just as dumb to imagine that banishing Rangers to SFL3 is going to improve anything. It won't, in three years time they will be back stronger than ever. Their best chance of becoming the same dominant force will be served by starting in SFL3 rather than SFL1. (Don't get me wrong, I want them in SFL3 but it may not be the best solution for the Scottish game. ) Anybody who thinks Rangers are dead is deluded. They will be playing in the same park, in the same strips and enjoying exactly the same financial advantage. Patting ourselves on the backs and basking in the glow of self righteousness that sporting integrity has been served will be a pyrrhic vitory. Every other club will have been punished financially for their misdoings and by the time they are back in the SPL some may be gone. Where is the justice in that? It's all very well saying clubs that don't cut their cloth now deserve to die but contracts and planning were all based on the current level of cash coming in to the game. Scottish football is engaged in that bloodiest of all wars, civil wars. Without pragmatism and compromise we will all be losers. I don't believe the figures we have seen chucked at the SFL clubs for a second but nobody can be in any doubt that finances will be quite a bit tighter without Rangers in the top league. I agree with you about the need strong leaders with a clear vision in place. That vision should cover the whole picture, not just the demands of the Old Firm or the top teams nor the ever changing demands of the mob.

[Onion]

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The SPL should have reported Rangers to the SFA.
The SFA should have stepped in by now and concluded the EBT/Dual contract nonsense. They should have delt with the transfer embargo/court nonsense by now too.
That way, all the SPL/SFL would have to deal with would an application to join the league.

Instead, they get an application with added pressure from SFA/SPL and little time to sort out fixtures, internal league promotions for potential gap in Div1 etc.
The SFL should also have the team ready to fill the SPL vacancy (if there is to be one). Time is marching on and no progress appears to be made.

Complete nonsense. And what happened to Hector and his investigation?

Once the huns are voted into Div 1, there will be no going back. The opportunity to properly punish them for the years of cheating and financial crime will be all but gone. NOW is the time to deal with them properly, punt them into Div 3 and them expel them once the full details of their double contracts, tax evasion and other crimes become clear. Jees, there's even an independent investigation into D&P to deal with. IMHO, once the full extent of RFC's crimes are out, everyone will be wondering what all this fuss was about - they should be banned from playing football in any league.

If the Huns are given a "get out of jail" card into the Div 1, in less than 9 months, they will be back in the SPL with the strongest balance sheet of of ANY SPL club, virtually free of debt with huge cash flow. They will stick two fingers up to ever other club as they bypass them towards the top of the league and then set out to piss on everyone from a great height. The Huns have shown themselves to be a bitter mob and you can be guaranteed they will look for every opportunity to make the rest pay (as they have stated time and again).

[Baldy Foghorn]

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That has to have been written by the same person as "The Document". There surely cant be two people who use the same appalling style, syntax and lack of quality producing powerpoints for consumption by the SFA/SPL/SFL?

That is a really, really bad document. The monumentally crass "WE ARE RANGERS" on the back page is a startlingly bad inclusion given the audience.

Green is either: (a) a completely incompetent moron, or (b) an evil genius who is planning to fail and get his mitts on property.

Agree, especially with the sentence in bold......I think page 5 of the document was to say to the "diddy teams", we are gods, vote us in or else.....I hope the SFL tell the rangers to Bolt.............