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04-07-2012, 08:00 PM
tamig

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Originally Posted by wee_hibee

Killie fans were always going to be angered by this.

But how angry would they be in the near future when they face relelgation or go into administration had their chairman voted "no" to letting Rangers in?

It was an extremely difficult position for him to be in.

Don't know why you're sticking up for him. It's clear that the big threat now is the other clubs' fans boycotting Rugby Park - as they were the only club who didn't vote no. There was no choice for him to make. The only worse thing he could have done would be to vote yes to newhun - and that really would have been commercial suicide.
04-07-2012, 08:00 PM
Hibercelona

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Originally Posted by s.a.m

I'm guessing that it's because they're voting on whether to admit a new club into the SFL structure, as well as selecting a league for them.:dunno:

Cheers, I get it now. :aok:

I never realized that the first set of votes was just to invite them "anywhere" in the division, i thought it was strictly for DIV1. Now I see that the first set of votes will be to get them in the SFL and the second set of votes will be to decide where they land in the SFL.

Apologies for my misunderstanding on the matter.
04-07-2012, 08:00 PM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by Lungo--Drom

It'll just be that fat bitter hun tool behaving like a wee wean cause they've been refused entry into the SPL. The guy operates on the same despicable level as Dungcaster.

:agree: Ridiculous to start slating the 'tachemeister on the say-so of McCoist, Jardine, Smith (W), Smith (G) or any of the rest of them. Their credibility is, er, low.
04-07-2012, 08:01 PM
marinello59

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Originally Posted by wee_hibee

No, because 2 clubs would be promoted into the SPL, meaning their would be 2 gaps to fill in DIV1. One for newco and the other for the promoted club from DIV2.

I had to spend time thinking about it. :greengrin

Wrong. If Rangers start in SFL3 then another club would move up from
SFL 3 to SFL 2 and one from SFL2 to SFL1. Those two clubs would miss out if Newco went straight in to SFL1. I think.:greengrin
04-07-2012, 08:03 PM
Hibercelona

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldenhibby

13 team league in SPL then

No.

Rangers leaving the SPL would leave 1 gap and the relegated Dunfermline would then leave 2 gaps in the SPL. Both Dunfermline and Ross county would be promoted to the SPL (giving it 12 teams), leaving 2 gaps in DIV1. A gap for Rangers and a gap for the newly promoted team from DIV2. (Giving DIV1 10 teams). :aok:

Sorry, made a few edits there, i'm getting myself confused now!
04-07-2012, 08:06 PM
s.a.m

Quote:

Originally Posted by wee_hibee

Cheers, I get it now. :aok:

I never realized that the first set of votes was just to invite them "anywhere" in the division, i thought it was strictly for DIV1. Now I see that the first set of votes will be to get them in the SFL and the second set of votes will be to decide where they land in the SFL.

Apologies for my misunderstanding on the matter.

....err....I said I was guessing! :greengrin Don't take it as read, but it makes sense. When there is a vacancy in the SFL, clubs apply and the winner is generally admitted at the bottom. It's not a given that they'll be admitted at all, let alone bounced into the 1st (though it seems likely).
04-07-2012, 08:09 PM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by s.a.m

....err....I said I was guessing! :greengrin Don't take it as read, but it makes sense. When there is a vacancy in the SFL, clubs apply and the winner is generally admitted at the bottom. It's not a given that they'll be admitted at all, let alone bounced into the 1st (though it seems likely).

No it doesn't.

12 clubs have expressed a view. 11 have said they are against.
04-07-2012, 08:10 PM
Hibercelona

Quote:

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

No it doesn't.

12 clubs have expressed a view. 11 have said they are against.

Does that then mean that they can't get into any of the Divisions now and will have to apply for entry into Division 3?

Sorry, I suppose their is still a lot more clubs left to vote.
04-07-2012, 08:11 PM
CropleyWasGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by wee_hibee

Cheers, I get it now. :aok:

I never realized that the first set of votes was just to invite them "anywhere" in the division, i thought it was strictly for DIV1. Now I see that the first set of votes will be to get them in the SFL and the second set of votes will be to decide where they land in the SFL.

Apologies for my misunderstanding on the matter.

You're still not getting it. :greengrin

The FIRST vote is on whether they are going into Division 1.

If they fail, then they will apply for the vacancy in D3, along with anybody else who wants to apply.
04-07-2012, 08:12 PM
CropleyWasGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by wee_hibee

Does that then mean that they can't get into any of the Divisions now and will have to apply for entry into Division 3?

They need 15 votes out of 29 to get in, so it's not definite yet.
04-07-2012, 08:13 PM
Hibercelona

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

You're still not getting it. :greengrin

The FIRST vote is on whether they are going into Division 1.

If they fail, then they will apply for the vacancy in D3, along with anybody else who wants to apply.

Thats what I thought originally! My heads spinning! :greengrin

The point I was making earlier was about the clubs in DIV2 and DIV3 voting whether they get into DIV1 or not. I don't see why they would get a vote in the matter, considering it doesn't effect them if Rangers get into DIV1.
04-07-2012, 08:14 PM
CropleyWasGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by wee_hibee

Thats what I thought originally! My heads spinning! :greengrin

The point I was making earlier was about the clubs in DIV2 and DIV3 voting whether they get into DIV1 or not. I don't see why they would get a vote in the matter, considering it doesn't effect them if Rangers get into DIV1.

BUT IT DOES :greengrin
04-07-2012, 08:15 PM
Kaiser1962

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Originally Posted by PatHead

Actually now 11 as per BBC-
Partick Thistle, Falkirk, Dunfermline, Raith Rovers, Morton, Livingston, East Fife, Stranraer, Stirling Albion, Peterhead and Clyde.

Hamilton in favour

When did this happen? Last week Les gray was saying no.

http://www.hamiltonadvertiser.co.uk/...1525-31274978/
04-07-2012, 08:15 PM
YehButNoBut

:thumbsup:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net...66195662_n.jpg
04-07-2012, 08:17 PM
Hibercelona

Quote:

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

BUT IT DOES :greengrin

But in what way?

It doesn't effect Cowdenbeath from getting promoted into DIV1 as their would be 2 slots open for both Rangers and Cowdenbeath (The promoted team from DIV2).

I understand that if Rangers don't get into DIV1, they could then be voted into DIV3 (which is when I think DIV3 should then decide whether they want them or not).

But it seems that the whole of the SFL vote on these matters, regardless of which league it has an effect on.
04-07-2012, 08:17 PM
NAE NOOKIE

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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan

Probably just as well then that some of those folk dinnae actually give a **** what you think!

Probably true DD. In fact totally true.

But ye see ... ah dae care what folk think, every opinion is worthwhile no matter if I think that opinion is wrong or counter productive or in no way takes the argument forward or attempts to reach a compromise which could resolve a sad sad situation.

The inability to compomise for the greater good has lead to most of histories major cock ups, at least thats what I think.

Oh I forgot ... you dont give a **** what I think.
04-07-2012, 08:19 PM
Kaiser1962

Quote:

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

No it doesn't.

12 clubs have expressed a view. 11 have said they are against.

and there are two abstentions. :agree:
04-07-2012, 08:19 PM
CropleyWasGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by wee_hibee

But in what way?

It doesn't effect Cowdenbeath from getting promoted into DIV1 as their would be 2 slots open for both Rangers and Cowdenbeath (The promoted team from DIV2).

I understand that if Rangers don't get into DIV1, they could then be voted into DIV3 (which is when I think DIV3 should then decide whether they want them or not).

But it seems that the whole of the SFL vote on these matters, regardless of which league it has an effect on.

It's not about promotion etc. As I said earlier, it's about the income from games against RFC
04-07-2012, 08:22 PM
s.a.m

Tom Hall‏@ScotFootBlogCowdenbeath say not to a First Division newco http://s.coop/q1cy (and Donald Findlay's coming to get Neil Doncaster)
...................
"Chairman Donald Findlay added – “Speaking for myself, and myself alone, it is clear to me that people at the highest levels of our game have tried to hold a gun to my head and the heads of my colleagues. That will never work. But I have a long memory and will not forget what they tried to do and the way they tried to bend me, and this Club, to their will. That will never be allowed to happen”

Nick Eardley‏@nickeardley
Stewart Regan: there will be “social unrest” in Scotland if Rangers aren't allowed in to First Division. On http://scotsman.com soon
04-07-2012, 08:23 PM
ancienthibby

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Originally Posted by truehibernian

For me AH there was absolutely nothing for Rod or Hibs to debate, argue or consider. Our 'position' was apparently clear as per our statement of voting intent. If Petrie was reconsidering or negotiating a change of position as late as today, he not only has explaining to do (after all his integrity statements), but he has gone way down in my estimation.

No to Newco, no SPL place, no debate. That should be Hibernian's clear position in my opinion. Rangers have cheated football AND the non football supporting public - 3rd division, if they got it, would still be a let off in my book. They've evaded paying millions of pounds, possibly 8 times Doncaster's guesstimate that Scottish football will 'lose'. I'm firmly of the belief not only football, but Scottish society would benefit greatly without Rangers.

Can you tell I'm no fan of them :-)

Indubitably!!
04-07-2012, 08:24 PM
PatHead

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Originally Posted by Kaiser1962

When did this happen? Last week Les gray was saying no.

http://www.hamiltonadvertiser.co.uk/...1525-31274978/

Sorry, read what has been referred to on their website as "ill-informed speculation and erroneous reporting on our position in relation to various, hypothetical scenarios". Appears they haven't made a decision as of Monday 2nd. http://www.acciesfc.co.uk/

Makes it 11 against (so far) 0 for as far as I am aware. edit Now 12 if reports on Cowdenbeath are to be believed.
04-07-2012, 08:25 PM
Barney McGrew

Quote:

Originally Posted by s.a.m

Nick Eardley‏@nickeardley
Stewart Regan: there will be “social unrest” in Scotland if Rangers aren't allowed in to First Division.

He can bolt on the first ship out with Doncaster as well.

There will be unrest if they DO get into the 1st.
04-07-2012, 08:27 PM
Kaiser1962

Quote:

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

They need 15 votes out of 29 to get in, so it's not definite yet.

Surely as only 28 clubs will be voting there only needs to be 14 against to stop it. Depending on who you read 11/12 clubs have already said no.

paul mcConville has just tweeted ths

Paul McConville‏@Paulmcc12RT@pault1888: Donald Findlay QC refuses to support Newco into Div 1. Yes, THAT Donald Findlay.> Verily the lion shall lie down with the lamb

If true add Cowdenbeath to the list.
04-07-2012, 08:27 PM
Hibercelona

Quote:

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

It's not about promotion etc. As I said earlier, it's about the income from games against RFC

But the clubs in DIV2 and DIV3 wouldn't gain any income from Rangers games, unless any of them played them in cup games.

It just doesn't seem right that the clubs in DIV2 and DIV3 get a say on Rangers being in DIV1 or not.

The SPL got to vote independently about them playing in the SPL, so why not the divisions?

I realize this could still be a good thing, because its likely that Rangers will probably end up in DIV3, with all DIV3 clubs voting "no" against them getting into DIV1, but I really don't believe its fair that they should get a say in the matter.

It would make more sense if DIV1 got to vote independently, then DIV2 (if DIV1 turned them down), then DIV3 (If DIV2 turned them down).

The whole set up just seems strange to me.
04-07-2012, 08:29 PM
Kaiser1962

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatHead

Sorry, read what has been referred to on their website as "ill-informed speculation and erroneous reporting on our position in relation to various, hypothetical scenarios". Appears they haven't made a decision as of Monday 2nd. http://www.acciesfc.co.uk/

Makes it 11 against (so far) 0 for as far as I am aware. edit Now 12 if reports on Cowdenbeath are to be believed.

:aok:

Might not matter :greengrin
04-07-2012, 08:29 PM
Baldy Foghorn

Quote:

Originally Posted by s.a.m

Tom Hall‏@ScotFootBlogCowdenbeath say not to a First Division newco http://s.coop/q1cy (and Donald Findlay's coming to get Neil Doncaster)
...................
"Chairman Donald Findlay added – “Speaking for myself, and myself alone, it is clear to me that people at the highest levels of our game have tried to hold a gun to my head and the heads of my colleagues. That will never work. But I have a long memory and will not forget what they tried to do and the way they tried to bend me, and this Club, to their will. That will never be allowed to happen”

Nick Eardley‏@nickeardley
Stewart Regan: there will be “social unrest” in Scotland if Rangers aren't allowed in to First Division. On http://scotsman.com soon

Why do Regan and Doncaster continually spout pish.....Social unrest eh.....Do the guys running our game not realise that Newco have no rights, nil, diddly squat.......Anything other than fairness will see social unrest from supporter's of every other team.....Can't believe what is running our game, astounding.....:rolleyes:
04-07-2012, 08:30 PM
Baldy Foghorn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barney McGrew

He can bolt on the first ship out with Doncaster as well.

There will be unrest if they DO get into the 1st.

:agree::agree::agree:
04-07-2012, 08:31 PM
CropleyWasGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by wee_hibee

But the clubs in DIV2 and DIV3 wouldn't gain any income from Rangers games, unless any of them played them in cup games.

It just doesn't seem right that the clubs in DIV2 and DIV3 get a say on Rangers being in DIV1 or not.

The SPL got to vote independently about them playing in the SPL, so why not the divisions?

I realize this could still be a good thing, because its likely that Rangers will probably end up in DIV3, with all DIV3 clubs voting "no" against them getting into DIV1, but I really don't believe its fair that they should get a say in the matter.

It would make more sense if DIV1 got to vote independently, then DIV2 (if DIV1 turned them down), then DIV3 (If DIV2 turned them down).

The whole set up just seems strange to me.

ARRRGGGHHHHHH :greengrin

IF they say no, and Sevco get into D3, almost every club in d1, d2 and d3 will get at least two games against them!!
04-07-2012, 08:31 PM
Mon Dieu4

Im now beginning to truly believe they are well and truly done if Findlay is voting against them
04-07-2012, 08:31 PM
Hibercelona

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

Why do Regan and Doncaster continually spout pish.....Social unrest eh.....Do the guys running our game not realise that Newco have no rights, nil, diddly squat.......Anything other than fairness will see social unrest from supporter's of every other team.....Can't believe what is running our game, astounding.....:rolleyes:

Somebody should remind them that "social unrest" will always exist as long as Rangers fans exist.

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