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Hope he's not had any of this before he meets her:Quote:
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What was the season that our pink chums escaped relegation and I think it was Dundee we’re the club that got done by them for some obscure reason
Not sure. Vaguely remember a season both of them featured prominently near the end. Mid 80's I think it was. 🤔🙄Quote:
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Originally Posted by 007
They may well have announced the transfer of ownership by now were it not for the Coronavirus.
Of course, she wants to stay on as chair/ceo, which looks more baffling by the day.
Ann Budge's interview and the Rangers statement suggests they know which way the decision is heading and they don't like it, which is why they are getting their counter arguments into the public domain before the decision is announced. To let the fans know that they've not agreed to it.
That’s how it reads to me. There won’t be any legal challenge. The SPFL will act within their rules which basically allows them to do what they want. Fact is that this decision suits the majority of clubs so it will happen.Quote:
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she looks like she's just come off a 3 week bender, she doesn't seem that confident eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by hibeerealist
i hope they drop :greengrin
Bollox, she's always looked like that, shrivelled up baboons arseQuote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Voiding is not an option, it’s been reported that would lead to refunds, cancelled contracts etc.
Waiting is all well and good, but the longer the wait, the more problems it causes.
Ending gives certainty, prize money gets paid out and clubs can plan for the eventual resumption next season.
Sure, it’s rough to be relegated with games left, but it’s rougher that many people will die, or lose their jobs.
Can’t argue with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottB
On the premise that if there's one thing above all else that motivates football clubs its self interest I'm struggling a wee bit to see how a decision to cancel the league now and relegate Hearts could suit the majority of clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
For a start ending the league now and relegating Hamilton would deny them the chance of a play off the rules state they are entitled to ... 11th isn't an automatic relegation place. If you keep Hamilton up that denies clubs with a real chance of promotion from the championship their chance.
St Johnstone are only a point behind Hibs, but have played a game less ... would they see it as fair if Hibs got a bigger share of the prize pot having played a game more?
For Hibs from a financial point of view having Hearts in the league guarantees us a full away end possibly twice a season, which would be replaced by Dundee Utd's 700 or so away support.
Given all that I'm not so sure as many clubs as folk think would be up for ending the season with placings as they stand now. I would have thought the option to promote Dundee Utd and ICT into a 14 team premier league for at least one season would have been the preferred one .. as I say, purely from a financial self interest POV.
Why don’t they just finish this season when they would start the new one, in late July, virus permitting. Then go right into next season but with each team only playing each other twice and finishing up at the same time? All that would happen is that next season would be a shorter one, with 22 games, but a fair one.
I thought that too. She knows they're down. All over her face.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibeerealist
As much as I despise that shower and think they deserve every bit off Ill fortune they get plus more, I don't like seeing an old woman clearly in an emotional mess like that.
They cant just finish off season 19/20 in July because hearts & rangers will have gone bust in March (April at best) IF they dont get prize money before then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
Relegation & accepting 9iar in return for cash, because they outlived their respective means.
Can't see that happening. How do all the clubs sell season tickets at full price for a season with 8 fewer league games? Also isn't there a term about there being 4 old firms for TV. I reckon this season they'll be fine about losing 1 but they're not gonna want to lose 2 next seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
Still has a £1.9 million loan outstanding and brother owed £750,000.Quote:
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There can't be, because in theory they're not both guaranteed to finish in the top 6.Quote:
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it's only fair that they should go down. They deserve it
Yes she let slip the "alternative" of 14 team SPL for a season then changed it to a "suggestion". Yes she has been told Celtic champions and Hearts relegated because 14 team unworkable - 13 × 4 games or 13x3 games plus split games.Quote:
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Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
Thats a good idea, then the bottom 4 teams can maybe play for relegation at the end of season?
I would love to see hertz goin doon though and huns goin bust or both goin bust.
Sky don’t want a 14 team league though and the new tv deal starts next season. No club wants to risk that. Also, they want paid now the prize money for this season.Quote:
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A 14 team league is not unworkable though if the split occurred after playing each other twice and then split 7/7. The teams would play 38 games and everybody would be guaranteed 19 home and 19 away games.Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
13 x 2 = 26
6 x 2 =12
Maybe she's worried Hearts are going to bump her out of her money as well, they have a track record for it, especially pensioners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
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The clubs and the tv companies don’t want it though. They don’t want to split the revenue 14 ways. There is likely to be a lot less cat A games for clubs like Hibs if us, Hearts or Aberdeen get caught on the wrong side of the split from each other. Hibs just can’t afford to take the revenue hit. We have little enough money coming in as it is.Quote:
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Originally Posted by hibeerealist
Not so long ago clubs voted for Sevco to start life in the lowest league rather than wave them into the Championship, which was definitely an option on the table, thus denying top flight clubs the income that a visit from Rangers brings for (as it turned out) four years. That indicates that self interest isn't always the priority.Quote:
Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
We've also had Rangers, Hibs and Hearts playing outwith the top flight in recent years and the game has survived.
From a TV deal point of view all that really matters to the broadcasters is that Celtic and Rangers are in the top league.
The only club here putting self interest above all else is Hearts. As the global pandemic continues to wreak havoc around the world, their narrow-minded bleating about maybe having to suck up a season in the a lower league is embarrassing. Budge's 'sporting integrity' rationale about there 'still being 24 points to play for' is desperate stuff when talking about club which has amassed a paltry 23 points in 30 games.
So the fact that clubs lower down got a slice of the blue pound had nothing to do with their decision?Quote:
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Especially, given the tight financial position most clubs will find themselves in given the league being halted now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Also, the old firm not losing much revenue if Hearts go down and DU go up. For other clubs selling seasons will be easier under current format. DU not much less attractive than Hearts to everybody but us.
Why should we even waste time talking about reconstructing leagues just for hearts sake at this time.
Just accept it hearts, yous will promote back soon.
Exactly. Wasting unnecessary time and energy at a time we should be focusing on other things. Hearts should just accept it.Quote:
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St J - 1.241
Hibs - 1.233
If average points was the final indicator, over 38 games that would give St J 47.15 points, Hibs 46.85. St J would end up above us.
Sorry I was only pointing out to another poster that a 14 team league could work fixture wise and there could be a season of 38 games. I probably should have added that the clubs wouldn't want to do it because of financial reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The impact of this is going to be extremely far reaching and have a quite staggering economic impact on all of us.
If and when we get back to normality I think we will have stopped this season as it stands and paid out cash based on where teams are. The economy needs to function and we need all the help we can get. The SPL will promote the top 2 and have a 14 team league for a season. We need to find a way to make it work. Which will then go back to 12.
Football dont want to lose a team like Hearts who can help with the circulation of money and given what is happening whether or not we would like Hearts to go down, it doesnt really matter. If we relegate hearts, overall we make things worse
Only a small loss to the SPL - their only significant away support comes to us. But a big boost to championship who probably need more help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
I’ve seen hibs fans a couple if times saying that they don’t want hearts relegated because hibs will loose income. Instead of 3,500 yams, we will only get 700 Dundee Utd fans.
Incredible. A loss of 2800 fans a game. 5600 in total. Approximately £150,000.
We have 14.000 season ticket holders.
I’ll start the ball rolling. When hearts get relegated as they should, I’ll happily pay an extra £11 to hibs to cover the short fall whilst I laugh my arse off at all my family yams and every single one of them.
That assumes everyone had enough spare cash to spend on a non essential activity when in reality any savings will have been accessed and people may not have income.
When does budge hand the club over to the flumps? When that happens and she is no longer the owner I can’t see her family being happy her splashing in loads of their inheritance money at a basket case that is about to get relegated just for a vanity project. She’s had her fun, got the legacy of the *****y stand and I would be surprised if she put more of her own money in, loans or not.
Yet again, the only reason this is being discussed and chewed over is because it is Hearts. Had this had been Hamilton, ICT or a Motherwell, it would get no airtime and the decision would be done by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
It was exactly the same for Rangers in 2012. Any other club - straight into the 2nd div, no questions asked, but Mr Armageddon wet his pants and it took the rest of us to uphold the "integrity" of the game. For Sevco to be crying foul again says everything about that club and for them to attempt to use the I word beggars belief.
Dump Hearts - as they have proved themselves to be easily (pound for pound) the worst team in the league - and let's try to recover from this. This is a bigger problem than 1 club.
If Hibs had been in Hearts position, I can guarantee we'd be looking into any legal issues concerning a league finishing as is with relegation . Yes they are at the bottom of the league but only 4 pts from play off and 6 pts from safety, with 8 games still to play they are well within touching distance to survive, so they do have an argument to null and void the league standings.
A weak Hearts is only a good thing for Hibs on so many levels. I want them down and to stay down for a considerable periodQuote:
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Hearts being back to their overspendin incompetent ways has got them in the mess. They can do one and relegation will **** them. We might lose £150k but they certainly won't be fighting it out for semis and the europa league where we will easily earn more than the missing gate receipts.
Not to mention they are in the same market for new players as us so weakening them again is even better!
A weak hearts is fantastic for Hibernian apart from an away support once or twice a season.Quote:
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Turn it around the other way, do you think when they won the championship at a canter and this happened then before it was official that Budge would be coming out saying Dundee Utd should stay up hearts stay in the championship because 38 games haven’t been completed?
The clubs that took the blue pound included Brechin (currently about to be relegated out the leagues) and Cowdenbeath (who nearly went the same way)Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven79
The blue pound didn't do much for these guys
Similarly, I have no sympathy for Hearts.
They must be relegated on account of having hardly won a game since September 2018, and being 4 points adrift when the music stopped.
They need to go down, so that all clubs can receive the sponsors' money due, as the season has finished (not null and void, but finished)
And the panic among Yams is nothing to do with the lost revenue. It's that their team can only get it up for Hibs and Rangers. They could be down there for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
Exactly. Hearts need to take one on the chin for the greater good of Scottish football. Sucks for them but they are the worst team and deserve to go down if that's the season done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Springbank
Four points behind but have livi,Aberdeen,Ross co and Hamilton away in those 8 games. They gained precisely 1 point from these previous fixtures. They have Ross county,st mirren kille and stjohnsone at home. They won 3 points in the first set of fixtures. On all balance of probability they would have been relegated as their defeat to st mirren showed. Four teams were going to be relegated. In just saying it shouldn't happen doesn't change that fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
Apparently when Yugoslavia imploded the league finished as the positions stood. If they go by that precedent there's no discussion. Btw Hertz can't sue anybody. As they come under uefa and sfa rules they would be suing themselves. Not the same as owing themselves £40m.😂
Null and voiding season to save Hearts would be armageddon ...Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
.... how to allocate league funds, allocate Euro placings, clubs entitled to recover win bonuses from players (as there were no wins), January transfers voided (poor Flo's life-long dream would remain just that), Doidge would be crap again, Hecky back at the wheel, Levein would get his old job back, P45 derbies again, we'd have to wait another 8 months for Ron's 5 year plan.... and the rest :greengrin
Can we sue them for spending money they didnt have and going into admin, whilst stopping us winning a Scottish cup that could have been ours? No we cant.
They can have their tainted cup.
Can they sue anyone for being relegated for being bottom when a league campaign went pop due to much more important health issues?
No they cant.
They can claim their relegation is tainted if thats how they feel.
Mrs Budge has embarrassed herself yet again with threats of legal action. The world is heading for economic meltdown with a potential for a depression. Hundreds of thousands of people are going to die but she thinks it’s appropriate at this time to talk about legal action about her club going down a division when no decision has been made. But her admission that Hearts don’t have business disruption insurance made me chuckle. They area multi million pound business but can’t even organise their insurance. Hearts fans really take action over her shocking way she’s run their club with their money once this pandemic is over.
Did Budge confirm it was them that didn’t have the disruption insurance, Lucky?
Are they the team without insurance?Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
That was actually a rare victory for fan power and the clubs were most definitely acting in their own self interest. Fans of virtually every SPL (as it then was) club were threatening to boycott games if the new club got preferential treatment. Admission to the fourth tier was a pragmatic compromise.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
On another tack, I'm sure I heard Dr Budge talking about the weekend's cancellations costing them £1m but they were due to play Ross County away so they wouldn't have had any income from the game even if it had been played. In fact they saved on travel costs and appearance payments. Likewise, as it stands half of the clubs have missed out on a single home game - that could have happened because of a bad spell of wethur - and the other half haven't missed out at all. Next week's cancellation will more or less affect the other half by the loss of a single game. There's no doubt this is going to cost clubs a lot over the duration but right now no clubs should be suffering particularly badly.
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Pretty sure she said they did have insurance but it would not cover everything.Quote:
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I have a feeling a lot of businesses are going to find they're not covered for this. Business interruption cover tends to relate to building damage or contamination not to general global events.Quote:
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Edit: I see in the link you've just posted she's talking about that £1m loss again - because an away game at Ross County has been cancelled?
They must have my travel insurance, then.Quote:
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Apologies if already posted but heard its Ross county.Quote:
Originally Posted by sean04
Hearts have been existing hand to mouth for many years, and that's with the ridiculous amount of donations and shedding debt through administration. There won't be many football clubs run as badly as it has been. They should seriously consider going part time in order to survive and start living within their means.
I think people are failing to grasp there is no vaccine and won’t be fir potentially a year according to Prof Jason Leitch Although hopefully it’s sooner
The virus isn’t going to go away Hopefully the summer months see a vast reduction and we get a heat wave But the virus won’t have gone
But it’s clear we can’t go back to normal in the next few months
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Great post. I'm on board.Quote:
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And yet Hearts and The Rangers have both trotted out statements saying nothing can be decided. Now Quoting Sporting Integrity They have a ****ing cheekQuote:
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Nah.
Morally and practically, their argument is very weak. Legally, it hardly looks strong either (although we shall see).
It is quite standard for businesses that have a catering function and/or involved in the entertainment business to extend their Business Interruption Insurance to cover the risk of being closed down by the Local Authority in the event of a notifiable disease being declared. It would be quite negligent if a football club did not have the cover in place. In some cases the notifiable diseases will be defined but some businesses will have blanket cover.Quote:
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It normally costs buttons in relation to the overall cost.
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She was misquoted. Here's what she actually said...
“On Friday morning when that decision [to suspend football] was made, we had four home fixtures. In terms of income for the club, that is well over £500,000.
“We had a [Scottish Cup [semi-final]. In terms of income to the club, again well over £500,000. So, in the blink of an eye, £1m that we anticipated having as income in April has gone.
My mummy always said I should tell the truth so here it is. As a Hibs fan anything that makes the Gorgie gunts sweat gives me a guid laugh, but here's the thing about this situation:Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
Is it not true that your highlighted statement here can be turned on its head? Is it any less narrow minded or tasteless to be revelling in Hearts situation which leaving their crap form aside has been brought about by that very same global pandemic ...... I love Hibs I love football, but as a human being I just can't turn off my natural inclination to think that Hearts, or any club for that matter, shouldn't suffer as a result of what is nothing less than a natural disaster.
Maybe it is Karma and maybe they do deserve a huge dose of bad luck .... but I would rather it was entirely self inflicted, or even better inflicted by Hibs, than by something like this.
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I stand corrected on both counts and quite relieved about the first one.Quote:
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How is this situation unique to Hertz yet they are they only ones bleating about it.Quote:
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no one caresQuote:
Originally Posted by Sioux
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clubs will suffer Leeds and WBA have invested heavily to get out the league they wont be able to do the same next year. on a smaller scale same applies to D Utd Raith Falkirk etcQuote:
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Is it because there's no other club like them?Quote:
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We would lose more than hearts if you count the bottom 6 crowds. We would potentially have rangers and Aberdeen coming to Easter road. Aswell as Celtic before the splitQuote:
Originally Posted by 660
Its not the be all and end all mate and I never suggested it was, it's just one thing in the financial balance important to all clubs. Also, what you are forgetting is that if this plays out to its worst conclusion Hibs are going to take a massive financial hit. If the cup is cancelled we have already lost probably close to a million quid if we had made the final. We will lose a significant sum from lost revenue on the cancelled league games and we have no guarantees that the take up of ST's for next season will not be hammered if folk lose their jobs in this crisis and others are reluctant to spend hundreds of pound for games they have no idea will ever get played, or if they are when they will be played.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
My concern is entirely about the impact of any decision on Hibs rather than just looking to put the boot into Hearts. And BTW we have just under 13,000 ST holders, not 14,000.
Maybe their cash reserves to see them through are lower?Quote:
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No surprise thereQuote:
Originally Posted by sean04
I know. Which is why any decisions made should be aimed at making the impact as light as possible on as few clubs as possible. There is already talk of expanding the EPL to 22 teams next season to allow Leeds and West Brom promotion and allow the bottom EPL clubs survival into next season. Even if that doesn't happen I would imagine the compensation payments to single clubs would be huge. No prospect of that in Scotland, so ensuring as many clubs as possible, not to mention the league itself, can just keep trading to their maximum potential is where we have to go IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy7nil
For me that means if the league is cancelled then it has to be a 14 team premiership next season ... its not just about survival, its ensuring that we continue to have as many full time clubs as possible ..... there's no competition for Celtic now with every club in the premiership full time, imagine how bad it would be if half our full time clubs ended up part time? which could happen if this goes on for too long, some are teetering on the brink as it is.
**** the hertz and the larger huns, the insurance widnie pay oot anyway. Its a ***** situation but all need to deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 90+2
Said on the radio a few insurance companies are washing their hands with the situation classing it as an act of god
I'm not sure about that. If we'd had a season like Hearts had I think most of us would accept we deserved to go down. Hearts have been stagnating for a few years now and remind me a bit of ourselves in 2014 when, in hindsight, getting relegated proved to be what we needed to rejuvenate as a club.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
What CAN be guaranteed is that if Hamilton or St Mirren were sitting bottom just now, Hearts wouldn't give a jot about them being relegated despite Budge's holier than thou 'hand on heart' claims.
- I have read through the SPFL rules to find out if there was a minimum number of games that had to be played before league positions were confirmed but there is nothing. However, I did find this rule under Board & Commissions....
J16.11 order the relegation of a Club to a lower Division and make such consequent orders as to promotion as it shall think appropriate- So the SPFL have covered themselves here, basically saying that they can decide for whatever reason they deem is fit for purpose that they have the power to relegate or promote a club.
Assuming HMFC have signed to these T&C s then I can't see how they could challenge any demotion to lower league
I bet they are! It’s not tho!!Quote:
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It’s not going to go away but there are some positives starting to emerge in China; new cases reducing with the last hospital built for this ready to close, Apple announcing they are reopening all their stores there, their football now scheduled to resume in a month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronniekirk
Some of those things might seem small, but it’s small steps and I hope the press are as keen to report on the small positives as they are the hypothetical negatives.
Hearts know they have no legal recourse. This is for the benefit of their fans.Quote:
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They should be thankful that I don't work for the SPFL. I'd have them in the lowest division possible and playing all of their games, home and away, in Ullapool.
Hearts just stopped training now but to report for gym duty twice a week in small groups
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...esumes-2481530
Indeed. Appease the hordes. That’s why Budge looked so despondent in her interview.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
O and btw it’s no anyone else’s fault your skint bar your own!
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Aye ..... 6 points off 10th place with 24 points still to play for having just beaten Rangers for the second time in the season to make the Scottish cup semi finals, aye right enough so we would. Not only accepting it we would be demanding that Hibs were relegated in those circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
Anybody who seriously believes Hibs wouldn't be just as angry as Hearts and our fans wouldn't be in uproar is absolutely having a laugh. And you can chuck into the mix the fact that our owner comes from a country where litigation is almost a national pastime .. I can just see him sitting back and going 'oh well that's life' ...... not.
Hearts have been bottom or thereabouts for so long whilst Budge was strutting about the place telling everyone how it should be done and distracting the Duncans with concerts, stands, benny factor, the ownership trick and documentaries etc.
They've made bottom theirs and are there on merit. Time to put them out their misery.
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^^^like :greengrinQuote:
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Its got bugger all to do with god , it was an act of stupid humansQuote:
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You are correct but it still does not make it right. They should shut up until they have had the opportunity to discuss this with other key stakeholders and influence the decision like a proper community organisation. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
Is anybody able to confirm how many weeks have Hertz been bottom (over the 30 games played)?
Ach, I wouldn't try for a second to defend the Hertz right to take the moral high ground on anything, that ship sailed long ago, even if they would never admit it. But given that I'm not prepared to pretend that how they are reacting would be any different to how any club, including us, would in the same situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy7nil
No we wouldn't- we've never competed with 'Charity Thieves FC' when it comes to rabid, self-interest !. I can't recall an occasion when we've opposed any decisions the SFA/SPL have made !Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
This is the bit that gets me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
She's been an absolute failure with everything she's touched and yet somehow still thinks she knows best!!
If Hearts were sitting in 3rd or 4th place right now you can guarantee they would want the league to be declared as it is so they could get Europe.
Whilst I do think it would be unfair for them to be relegated, I hope to hell they are and that they bang on about the unfairness of it all for years to come.
10 weeks out of the 30 apparently according to the SPL siteQuote:
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Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
It’s not bad luck.
If the decision is made to wrap up this season and promote Dundee Utd then some club needs to be relegated from the top division.
That club is Hearts.
Agree almost all clubs would be the same. That doesnt make it right though.Quote:
Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
If it was Hibs, I would say it was our own fault, id feel a bit hard dont by, and i would try and channel that indignation (righteous or not!) into getting ourselves sorted.
The league is there to judge teams against each other. It has done so and we have played over 3/4s of games, and Hearts are a two game swing away from even the relative safety of a playoff spot, with the form suggesting their rivals were more likely to increase the gap than they were to narrow it.
Its harsh and its imperfect, but it is their own fault and it is the fairest, simplest and most logical outcome.
I'm just waiting on the nutters claiming its gods revenge on LGBT folks 🤪🤪Quote:
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