Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by WeeRussell

2nd dose yesterday. Felt fine bar the usual heavy arm when I hit the hay last night. Woke up maybe less than an hour later feeling dodgy, then again a few hours later feeling like I had the flu.

Already a fair bit better now so hopefully that’s the end of it. And the short burst of feeling a bit minging is definitely outweighed and then some by the satisfaction of now being double vaxed.

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My son got his second on sat afternoon, felt dodgy on sun but not too bad, sun night spiked a temp and yesterday couldnt get out of bed. Says its like hes got the virus again. Managing to work today but is struggling. He had covid just over 6 weeks ago a week after his first jag. Hes 24, fit as a fiddle, strapping 6 footer and I think his body is just in overdrive with antibodies or something. His partner got vaxed on the same days, had covid at the same time and is totally fine.

Hes done a lateral flow which was neg

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Originally Posted by J.S

My son got his second on sat afternoon, felt dodgy on sun but not too bad, sun night spiked a temp and yesterday couldnt get out of bed. Says its like hes got the virus again. Managing to work today but is struggling. He had covid just over 6 weeks ago a week after his first jag. Hes 24, fit as a fiddle, strapping 6 footer and I think his body is just in overdrive with antibodies or something. His partner got vaxed on the same days, had covid at the same time and is totally fine.

Hes done a lateral flow which was neg

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That sounds rough - hopefully he’s back on his feet sharpish!

Daily Scottish update;

1,032 new cases since yesterday - 7.8% positivity rate
Decrease of 4 in the confirmed cases in hospital since yesterday
Decrease of 2 in the confirmed cases in intensive care since yesterday
4,029,479 people have now received their first dose of the vaccine - 2,652 people since yesterday
3,357,803 people have now received their second dose of the vaccine - 15,747 people since yesterday
11 deaths registered since yesterday

I received a test today from what appears to be a mobile number. Saying I have been in close contact with someone who has tested positive and to book an at home test. I think the text looks fishy as surely would come from test and protect. Anybody any advice. Thanks

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Originally Posted by David_D

I received a test today from what appears to be a mobile number. Saying I have been in close contact with someone who has tested positive and to book an at home test. I think the text looks fishy as surely would come from test and protect. Anybody any advice. Thanks

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https://www.tsscot.co.uk/contact-tracing-scams/

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Originally Posted by McSwanky

https://www.tsscot.co.uk/contact-tracing-scams/

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Thanks. I thought it looked fishy.

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Originally Posted by WeeRussell

That sounds rough - hopefully he’s back on his feet sharpish!

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Thanks. Hes taken a half day and is trying to sleep it off now.

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Originally Posted by hibee

It still is since we are allowing them to come here for a holiday but they won’t let us go there!

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Yes it is. Two of the kids I coach visited London this summer on their holidays yet I can't go home and see my parents and come back here to work.

Fully vaccinated and with a work visa but nope. Not allowed.

My colleague is stuck in the UK and his girlfriend has been there for months because she can enter the UK and work His UK home. Very frustrating situation.

23,510 cases and 146 deaths registered in the UK today.

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

We would let folk in from Florida to be fair!

Although Americans don’t tend to travel abroad like most other nationalities so they’ll probably keep themselves to themselves largely.

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Over 40% of them now have passports. I think it was about 15% in the 90's but now they need them to travel to Canada, Mexico and all the Caribbean places that didn't previously require one.

I'm going to a show at the Corn Exchange on Thursday and have been told I won't be allowed entry without proof of a negative test within 24 hour sof attendance. Is that part of the guidelines or is that a policy the venue have decided on?
It's not that big a deal really but I just wasn't expecting it.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I'm going to a show at the Corn Exchange on Thursday and have been told I won't be allowed entry without proof of a negative test within 24 hour sof attendance. Is that part of the guidelines or is that a policy the venue have decided on?
It's not that big a deal really but I just wasn't expecting it.

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Sounds like it's them, I don't think it's a government requirement

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Originally Posted by David_D

I received a test today from what appears to be a mobile number. Saying I have been in close contact with someone who has tested positive and to book an at home test. I think the text looks fishy as surely would come from test and protect. Anybody any advice. Thanks

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They changed a while back to sending texts when they are busy. If in doubt there is phone number in this link to call to check if the text is legit.

https://www.nhsinform.scot/illnesses...ontact-tracing

https://www.gov.scot/news/test-and-p...gh-risk-cases/

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I'm going to a show at the Corn Exchange on Thursday and have been told I won't be allowed entry without proof of a negative test within 24 hour sof attendance. Is that part of the guidelines or is that a policy the venue have decided on?
It's not that big a deal really but I just wasn't expecting it.

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There's nothing in the regulations about having to provide a negative test to attend such an event.

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Originally Posted by Haymaker

Doubt there will be many Brits on holiday in Florida as you cannot enter the USA if you have been in the UK within the last 14 days. Haven't been able to since March 2020.

Unless you have a green card or a duel citizen.

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Certain UK citizens are allowed in. I'm recently arrived as I'm granted an exception as a family member of a US citizen. I'm not on holiday. Others had work/study visas also granted entry.

Breakdown of today's cases by council area;

Edinburgh - 114
Glasgow - 109
South Lanarkshire - 105
North Lanarkshire - 79
Fife - 64
Aberdeenshire - 44
Renfrewshire - 42
Highland - 42
Dumfries and Galloway - 37
East Lothian - 35
North Ayrshire - 31
West Dunbartonshire - 27
Falkirk - 27
Aberdeen - 27
Scottish Borders - 25
West Lothian - 21
Inverclyde - 21
East Renfrewshire - 21
Midlothian - 19
East Dunbartonshire - 19
East Ayrshire - 15
Dundee - 15
Angus - 15
South Ayrshire - 14
Moray - 13
Clackmannanshire - 13
Stirling - 11
Perth and Kinross - 11
Argyll and Bute - 8
Orkney - 3
Shetland - 2
Na-h Eileanan Siar - 2

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Daily update - first dose;

UK - 47,059,639 (89.8% of adult population)

Wales - 2,304,271 (92.2% of adult population)
England - 39,495,104 (89.8% of adult population)
Scotland - 4,026,827 (89.5% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,233,437 (85.1% of adult population)

Second dose;

UK - 39,551,538 (75.5% of adult population)

Wales - 2,115,477 (84.6% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,089,222 (75.1% of adult population)
England - 33,004,783 (75% of adult population)
Scotland - 3,342,056 (74.3% of adult population)

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Daily update - first dose;

UK - 47,091,889 (89.9% of adult population)

Wales - 2,305,562 (92.2% of adult population)
England - 39,516,037 (89.8% of adult population)
Scotland - 4,029,479 (89.5% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,240,811 (85.6% of adult population)

Second dose;

UK - 39,688,566 (75.7% of adult population)

Wales - 2,118,707 (84.7% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,094,987 (75.5% of adult population)
England - 33,117,069 (75.3% of adult population)
Scotland - 3,357,803 (74.6% of adult population)

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Originally Posted by hibee

It still is since we are allowing them to come here for a holiday but they won’t let us go there!

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Yip, same with the EU. Not very reciprocal.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Red list is more about variants, the US is pretty much all delta, hence India coming of red as its all delta. US has good genomic sequencing where as Mexico has none.

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I think we all saw when the doors were kept open, against all advice, for India it wasn't about any type of virus variant that was the important factor. Its about showing the UK is open for business and doing trade deals in the wake of Brexit. Remember the Boris speech at the start of the pandemic when the UK was going to stay open?

If tortilla wraps and fajita mix were offered in a trade deal Mexico would be open! Or perhaps an influential party donor with a holiday home there.

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Originally Posted by stuart-farquhar

Certain UK citizens are allowed in. I'm recently arrived as I'm granted an exception as a family member of a US citizen. I'm not on holiday. Others had work/study visas also granted entry.

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There are some exceptions, a friend had to go home to Dublin and had to visit the embassy to be allowed back (claiming his work of important nature/family etc) however my work visa will not allow me to leave and come back. I've checked many times with many government agencies, it is very frustrating to say the least.

US embassies in certain countries are only issuing certain types of Visa which unfortunately do not cover my friend so he is stuck in England.

Friends of mine who emigrated about 15 years ago arrive from Chicago on Thursday and they're here for a week. They'll get back in to the US no problem as they're also US citizens now.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I'm going to a show at the Corn Exchange on Thursday and have been told I won't be allowed entry without proof of a negative test within 24 hour sof attendance. Is that part of the guidelines or is that a policy the venue have decided on?
It's not that big a deal really but I just wasn't expecting it.

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It's the venue. My brother and his wife had to do it too.

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Originally Posted by Mikey

Friends of mine who emigrated about 15 years ago arrive from Chicago on Thursday and they're here for a week. They'll get back in to the US no problem as they're also US citizens now.

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Incredible amount of detail in those two sentences! :-)

OMG Some people need to get out more!!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-58164833

Weekly NRS update;

In the 7 days up to 8th August, 51 deaths were registered where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate - increase of 5 from the previous 7 days.

15 patients were aged under 65, 13 were aged 65-74 and 23 were aged over 75.

Deaths from all causes in the week up to 8th August were 7% higher than the 5 year average.

Deaths at home or in non-institutional settings were 33% above average, hospitals 1% above average and care homes 16% below average.

9 more deaths from Alzheimer's/Dementia, 5 more from circulatory causes, 2 more from respiratory causes and 21 fewer deaths from cancer compared with the 2015-2019 average.

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

OMG Some people need to get out more!!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-58164833

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I'm actually getting quite scared by where this world will be in a few years. The sheer number of people that believe truly stupid things is frightening.

It's just not that they believe (plenty of folk will have supported other conspiracy theories in the past around things like the JFK assassination), it's they seem to increasingly take major life decisions based on mad things they've seen online.

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Originally Posted by neil7908

I'm actually getting quite scared by where this world will be in a few years. The sheer number of people that believe truly stupid things is frightening.

It's just not that they believe (plenty of folk will have supported other conspiracy theories in the past around things like the JFK assassination), it's they seem to increasingly take major life decisions based on mad things they've seen online.

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I mind watching a film called idiocracy and thinking it was a very poor comedy, looking back I now think I was wrong and it was actually a documentary :greengrin

Daily Scottish update;

1,498 new cases since yesterday - 5.0% positivity rate
Increase of 4 in the confirmed cases in hospital since yesterday
Increase of 2 in the confirmed cases in intensive care since yesterday
4,034,420 people have now received their first dose of the vaccine - 4,941 people since yesterday
3,375,524 people have now received their second dose of the vaccine - 17,721 people since yesterday
10 deaths registered since yesterday

https://twitter.com/bbcscotlandnews/...524567046?s=21

Scotrail will not enforce masks on trains.

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Originally Posted by SteveHFC

https://twitter.com/bbcscotlandnews/...524567046?s=21

Scotrail will not enforce masks on trains.

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Looking forward to getting battered on match day and travelling without a ticket also.

Or is it just the face mask law they don’t like?

J

A Covid sceptic who has been hospitalised with the virus said he would urge people to have the vaccine.

"If you haven't been ill, you don't think you're going to get ill, so you listen to the [anti-vaccine] stuff," Marcus Birks said.

He has been in the intensive care unit at Royal Stoke University Hospital for the past week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-58167498

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Originally Posted by degenerated

I mind watching a film called idiocracy and thinking it was a very poor comedy, looking back I now think I was wrong and it was actually a documentary :greengrin

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Plants love electrolytes

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

A Covid sceptic who has been hospitalised with the virus said he would urge people to have the vaccine.

"If you haven't been ill, you don't think you're going to get ill, so you listen to the [anti-vaccine] stuff," Marcus Birks said.

He has been in the intensive care unit at Royal Stoke University Hospital for the past week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-58167498

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Been a few of them recently and unfortunately the three I read about they died.

Speaking from experience breathing issues are unbelievably awful and something I hope to never go through again. Covid is a shocker.

I still think back to the hospital from time to time and can't believe it actually happened.

Interesting discussion on mask wearing the pub this afternoon.
The windows are all open as usual and while it's definitely NOT cold there's a wee breeze, and in comparison to recent temperatures, it feels much colder, so much so that a number of the regulars are wanting them shut.
The manager's on the bar and asked an interesting question... shut the windows and you all go back to wearing masks unless your drinking. Or leave them as they are and only fire them on to come in or go to bog?

As an aside he only allows 'vertical drinking' at the far end of the bar away from where the bar staff are generally working.

Made me think!

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Originally Posted by Just Alf

Interesting discussion on mask wearing the pub this afternoon.
The windows are all open as usual and while it's definitely NOT cold there's a wee breeze, and in comparison to recent temperatures, it feels much colder, so much so that a number of the regulars are wanting them shut.
The manager's on the bar and asked an interesting question... shut the windows and you all go back to wearing masks unless your drinking. Or leave them as they are and only fire them on to come in or go to bog?

As an aside he only allows 'vertical drinking' at the far end of the bar away from where the bar staff are generally working.

Made me think!

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Does that mean if the windows were shut the suggestion was that you would need to wear a mask sitting down whilst chatting?

If so I've never come across that one before!

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Originally Posted by Bristolhibby

Looking forward to getting battered on match day and travelling without a ticket also.

Or is it just the face mask law they don’t like?

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They want people to wear them and will make announcements to that end also, but I think it's fair for them to say that it's not the conductors job to enforce it... They've also made it clear how to report it if you're worried.

It sounds like they're doing as much as any other business does. :dunno:

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Originally Posted by Just Alf

Interesting discussion on mask wearing the pub this afternoon.
The windows are all open as usual and while it's definitely NOT cold there's a wee breeze, and in comparison to recent temperatures, it feels much colder, so much so that a number of the regulars are wanting them shut.
The manager's on the bar and asked an interesting question... shut the windows and you all go back to wearing masks unless your drinking. Or leave them as they are and only fire them on to come in or go to bog?

As an aside he only allows 'vertical drinking' at the far end of the bar away from where the bar staff are generally working.

Made me think!

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I'm not sure what he means by go back to wearing them when you are not drinking. It's never been a requirement to wear a mask if you are seated in a pub in Scotland and I've never seen anyone wear one whilst seated at all in the last year.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

I'm not sure what he means by go back to wearing them when you are not drinking. It's never been a requirement to wear a mask if you are seated in a pub in Scotland and I've never seen anyone wear one whilst seated at all in the last year.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Does that mean if the windows were shut the suggestion was that you would need to wear a mask sitting down whilst chatting?

If so I've never come across that one before!

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I think he's just being overzealous at the moment! (I hope so anyways)

I do agree with the bit about allowing folks at the bar but only if they stay at the end away from the bar staff as the staff don't really have much choice.

I am trying to think what it'll be like in mid winter though :-/ brrr ...

29,612 cases and 104 deaths registered in the UK today.

** Because of a technical issue, Public Health Wales have been unable to update their dashboard. Therefore cases and deaths within 28 days of a positive test from Wales have not been updated. Vaccinations have been updated. **

I listen to radio Scotland of a morning on my way. Back from work. The covid situation has dropped from headlines every day for a year and a half to almost a footnote. I think they think it’s over. Headline segment this morning was Governor Cuomo resigning with interviews with random American/New York journalist. I know it’s current affairs in the morning but it really is still current and more relevant to Scots than What an American politician has or hasn’t been up to.

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Originally Posted by neil7908

I'm actually getting quite scared by where this world will be in a few years. The sheer number of people that believe truly stupid things is frightening.

It's just not that they believe (plenty of folk will have supported other conspiracy theories in the past around things like the JFK assassination), it's they seem to increasingly take major life decisions based on mad things they've seen online.

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Stupid people are stupid people. They have always been around. They just have a platform now mores the pity.

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Originally Posted by SChibs

Plants love electrolytes

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Originally Posted by greenlex

Stupid people are stupid people. They have always been around. They just have a platform now mores the pity.

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:greengrin

Breakdown of today's cases by council area;

Glasgow - 193
Edinburgh - 154
Fife - 135
South Lanarkshire - 124
North Lanarkshire - 110
Highland - 56
Renfrewshire - 55
Aberdeenshire - 55
North Ayrshire - 53
West Lothian - 41
West Dunbartonshire - 40
East Lothian - 39
Aberdeen - 37
South Ayrshire - 35
Dundee - 34
East Ayrshire - 33
Falkirk - 32
Dumfries and Galloway - 30
Perth and Kinross - 27
East Renfrewshire - 27
Inverclyde - 24
Stirling - 23
East Dunbartonshire - 23
Clackmannanshire - 23
Scottish Borders - 20
Midlothian - 19
Angus - 18
Moray - 15
Argyll and Bute - 14
Orkney - 4
Shetland - 1
Na-h Eileanan Siar - 1

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Daily update - first dose;

UK - 47,091,889 (89.9% of adult population)

Wales - 2,305,562 (92.2% of adult population)
England - 39,516,037 (89.8% of adult population)
Scotland - 4,029,479 (89.5% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,240,811 (85.6% of adult population)

Second dose;

UK - 39,688,566 (75.7% of adult population)

Wales - 2,118,707 (84.7% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,094,987 (75.5% of adult population)
England - 33,117,069 (75.3% of adult population)
Scotland - 3,357,803 (74.6% of adult population)

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Daily update - first dose;

UK - 47,129,400 (89.9% of adult population)

Wales - 2,307,504 (92.3% of adult population)
England - 39,544,351 (89.9% of adult population)
Scotland - 4,034,420 (89.7% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,243,125 (85.7% of adult population)

Second dose;

UK - 39,839,709 (76% of adult population)

Wales - 2,123,159 (84.9% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,100,236 (75.9% of adult population)
England - 33,240,790 (75.5% of adult population)
Scotland - 3,375,524 (75% of adult population)

Is anyone else getting annoyed at these venues insisting on negative tests when it’s not required by law? I have to say it’s really pissing me off, what does someone who runs a club or venue know that the government doesn’t. We’ve all done our time and followed the rules, but suddenly some faceless clown decides he knows better than the government. Social distancing is over and we 100% don’t need to prove anything before we enter a venue.

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Is anyone else getting annoyed at these venues insisting on negative tests when it’s not required by law? I have to say it’s really pissing me off, what does someone who runs a club or venue know that the government doesn’t. We’ve all done our time and followed the rules, but suddenly some faceless clown decides he knows better than the government. Social distancing is over and we 100% don’t need to prove anything before we enter a venue.

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I can only assume they don't want to be the venue/business that has a covid outbreak linked to them should one occur? If one is they can say "we asked for proof" etc

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I can only assume they don't want to be the venue/business that has a covid outbreak linked to them should one occur? If one is they can say "we asked for proof" etc

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But if they just follow the current guidelines then surely they’re all good. Why are venues asking for test results when it’s not required? It’s over now let’s get on with it for **** sake.

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

But if they just follow the current guidelines then surely they’re all good. Why are venues asking for test results when it’s not required? It’s over now let’s get on with it for **** sake.

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Is it not because an asymptomatic customer infects a member of staff who get symptoms and test positive other members may also have to isolate. May affect the premises ability to open if they are short staffed

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Originally Posted by SChibs

Is it not because an asymptomatic customer infects a member of staff who get symptoms and test positive other members may also have to isolate. May affect the premises ability to open if they are short staffed

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Also their business, their rules.

There will be plenty of people attracted to that business by their measures.

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Originally Posted by Bristolhibby

Also their business, their rules.

There will be plenty of people attracted to that business by their measures.

J

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Yep, they can do what they want and people can choose if they go or not.

A bit like the Canny Mans back in the day when you could get refused entry/ejected for whatever spurious reason the owner came up with. After about 3 or 4 unsuccessful attempts to get in, we just took our trade elsewhere.

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Is anyone else getting annoyed at these venues insisting on negative tests when it’s not required by law? I have to say it’s really pissing me off, what does someone who runs a club or venue know that the government doesn’t. We’ve all done our time and followed the rules, but suddenly some faceless clown decides he knows better than the government. Social distancing is over and we 100% don’t need to prove anything before we enter a venue.

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I don't particularly mind doing the test but I didn't appreciate it being sprung on me at the last minute. If it was made clear at the point of booking or sale then fine.

I received an email from the Corn Exchange 2 days before I was due to attend advising me that proof of a negative test was now policy. I'm OK because I have a pile of tests in the house, if I didn't it could have been a bit of a panic.

It's just a box ticking excercise anyway. It's a self reported result where you tick a box saying if the test was positive, negative or inconclusive. If I was inclined to lie about such things I could test positive, tick negative and have a text as 'proof' of that status and go about my business. How would anyone know different? It's not something I would do but it's hardly a foolproof system.

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I don't particularly mind doing the test but I didn't appreciate it being sprung on me at the last minute. If it was made clear at the point of booking or sale then fine.

I received an email from the Corn Exchange 2 days before I was due to attend advising me that proof of a negative test was now policy. I'm OK because I have a pile of tests in the house, if I didn't it could have been a bit of a panic.

It's just a box ticking excercise anyway. It's a self reported result where you tick a box saying if the test was positive, negative or inconclusive. If I was inclined to lie about such things I could test positive, tick negative and have a text as 'proof' of that status and go about my business. How would anyone know different? It's not something I would do but it's hardly a foolproof system.

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There will be some idiots who would do this, but I guess they are hoping most people are responsible and if they test positive they will isolate and stop the risk of spreading.

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Is anyone else getting annoyed at these venues insisting on negative tests when it’s not required by law? I have to say it’s really pissing me off, what does someone who runs a club or venue know that the government doesn’t. We’ve all done our time and followed the rules, but suddenly some faceless clown decides he knows better than the government. Social distancing is over and we 100% don’t need to prove anything before we enter a venue.

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An interesting viewpoint. I'm not sure why you should think that people should simply stop disagreeing with the Government now that the rules have been relaxed, people have been doing that all the way through this pandemic.

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

It’s over now let’s get on with it for **** sake.

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Oh look!! I usually respect your posts but you have said exactly what I predicted people would say.


Covid is not over, will probably never be over, and there will need to be some form of mitigation for some time to come.

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Yep, they can do what they want and people can choose if they go or not.

A bit like the Canny Mans back in the day when you could get refused entry/ejected for whatever spurious reason the owner came up with. After about 3 or 4 unsuccessful attempts to get in, we just took our trade elsewhere.

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I came across this attitude at the Lloyd's bar (wetherspoons) in the Omni Centre, no trainers allowed!! Slug and Lettuce was enjoying the extra business.

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Is anyone else getting annoyed at these venues insisting on negative tests when it’s not required by law? I have to say it’s really pissing me off, what does someone who runs a club or venue know that the government doesn’t. We’ve all done our time and followed the rules, but suddenly some faceless clown decides he knows better than the government. Social distancing is over and we 100% don’t need to prove anything before we enter a venue.

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Nope. If anything I’m glad to see businesses still taking things seriously. It might help protect others when idiots who have announced the virus is over come along having not taken care of themselves.

It's maybe just me but it certainly feels like this is over, before people jump on that I realise it's not, covid will be around in some form in perpetuity, but it's feels as if we are back to normal.

Football stadiums full capacity, pubs open with barely no restrictions, gigs taking place, summer festivals going ahead and nightclubs open.

It's been a long slog the past 16 months but it does genuinely feel as though life is almost normal again. Personally, I'm delighted with that.

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I came across this attitude at the Lloyd's bar (wetherspoons) in the Omni Centre, no trainers allowed!! Slug and Lettuce was enjoying the extra business.

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No trainers / jeans were two reasons despite that rule not applying to others who were already in. One night it was 'Hugo's testimonial'. There was an infamous saturday afternoon we got in to a virtually empty bar and had ordered 4 pints, 3 of which were poured when the owner appeared. Sorry lads, you are too young. We produced our ID to prove we were all over 21. Sorry, its over 25s only. Beat it. Never again tried after that

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Oh look!! I usually respect your posts but you have said exactly what I predicted people would say.


Covid is not over, will probably never be over, and there will need to be some form of mitigation for some time to come.

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"learning to live with it"

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New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has said that the country's borders will remain closed until at least the end of the year.

She said an elimination strategy was the best way to keep Covid-19 out and the economy open.

The prime minister also said New Zealand would move to a new individual risk-based model for quarantine-free travel from the start of next year.

She stressed the priority was vaccinating the population by end 2021.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58182418

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Originally Posted by WeeRussell

Nope. If anything I’m glad to see businesses still taking things seriously. It might help protect others when idiots who have announced the virus is over come along having not taken care of themselves.

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I agree with this. For a chunk of people who can't get the vaccine, or have health problems that make them more susceptible to complications from Covid, this might give them the confidence to be able to go out to a bar, gig etc.

Whilst it does look like the very worst is behind us, we are still seeing over 100 deaths a day as things stand, and we're still in summer. The term "learning to live with covid" is bandied about a lot but to me it means things like this - covid is part of our lives now and we need to adjust our behaviour accordingly. Its not pretending its gone.

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Originally Posted by neil7908

I agree with this. For a chunk of people who can't get the vaccine, or have health problems that make them more susceptible to complications from Covid, this might give them the confidence to be able to go out to a bar, gig etc.

Whilst it does look like the very worst is behind us, we are still seeing over 100 deaths a day as things stand, and we're still in summer. The term "learning to live with covid" is bandied about a lot but to me it means things like this - covid is part of our lives now and we need to adjust our behaviour accordingly. Its not pretending its gone.

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And also accept there will be deaths every day from COVID.

What is the magic acceptable number?

People need to get the vaccine. More support needs to be given to those who can’t, and those who won’t, shouldn’t get certain privileges.

Vaccines will get us out of this.

We need sticks, carrots and education to keep vaccinations going.

Also, a clear booster and winter flu vaccine strategy is also required.

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Scotland's hospitals are under more pressure than ever, doctors have told BBC Scotland.

While the number of Covid patients has fallen, the NHS is trying to catch up with surgeries and treatments put on hold during the first wave of the pandemic.

But more people are also being admitted with other complex, more advanced disease, having put off seeking treatment.

It's leading to long waits in emergency departments and piling pressure on capacity in other parts of the hospital.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58179736

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Scotland's hospitals are under more pressure than ever, doctors have told BBC Scotland.

While the number of Covid patients has fallen, the NHS is trying to catch up with surgeries and treatments put on hold during the first wave of the pandemic.

But more people are also being admitted with other complex, more advanced disease, having put off seeking treatment.

It's leading to long waits in emergency departments and piling pressure on capacity in other parts of the hospital.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58179736

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Sadly not unexpected.

A law firm representing travellers is challenging the UK's quarantine hotel policy and seeking a judicial review.

Currently, passengers must spend 11 nights in quarantine hotels on returning from red list countries, despite being fully vaccinated and testing negative for Covid.

London-based firm PGMBM says this is an "unlawful deprivation of liberty".

On Thursday, the cost of staying in a quarantine hotel jumped from £1,750 to £2,285.

The firm has begun legal proceedings.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58180307

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

A law firm representing travellers is challenging the UK's quarantine hotel policy and seeking a judicial review.

Currently, passengers must spend 11 nights in quarantine hotels on returning from red list countries, despite being fully vaccinated and testing negative for Covid.

London-based firm PGMBM says this is an "unlawful deprivation of liberty".

On Thursday, the cost of staying in a quarantine hotel jumped from £1,750 to £2,285.

The firm has begun legal proceedings.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58180307

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Hotel quarantine is a huge scam. Lot of nonsense

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Oh look!! I usually respect your posts but you have said exactly what I predicted people would say.


Covid is not over, will probably never be over, and there will need to be some form of mitigation for some time to come.

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I know covid is not over but social distancing is and so is the requirement to test ourselves before we enter a venue.

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

I know covid is not over but social distancing is and so is the requirement to test ourselves before we enter a venue.

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Correct.

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

I know covid is not over but social distancing is and so is the requirement to test ourselves before we enter a venue.

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I'd say it's up to the owner of the venue to set whatever requirements they like, over the bare minimum set out by law.

They're ultimately the ones responsible for the safety and wellbeing of their staff, themselves and their customers.

FWIW I think most of the tests available are totally unreliable and of negligible benefit.

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Originally Posted by DiscoDoidge

Correct.

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Not correct if the venue decide it’s a requirement. Rules for businesses and venues vary all across the country, if some are tighter on their covid requirements than others within that, then that’s their right.

If a few people take the huff at them being extra vigilant in trying to keep people safe and their business running smoothly, I don’t think they’ll worry too much about the little lost custom.

Daily Scottish update;

1,525 new cases since yesterday - 5.2% positivity rate
No change in the confirmed cases in hospital since yesterday
No change in the confirmed cases in intensive care since yesterday
4,039,226 people have now received their first dose of the vaccine - 4,806 people since yesterday
3,393,900 people have now received their second dose of the vaccine - 18,376 people since yesterday
8 deaths registered since yesterday

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Originally Posted by WeeRussell

Not correct if the venue decide it’s a requirement. Rules for businesses and venues vary all across the country, if some are tighter on their covid requirements than others within that, then that’s their right.

If a few people take the huff at them being extra vigilant in trying to keep people safe and their business running smoothly, I don’t think they’ll worry too much about the little lost custom.

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You’re right it is up to the owners, but I won’t be going anywhere that requires me to have a negative test result. Fair enough if others don’t mind or think it’s a good idea, but I’m not having it.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Scotland's hospitals are under more pressure than ever, doctors have told BBC Scotland.

While the number of Covid patients has fallen, the NHS is trying to catch up with surgeries and treatments put on hold during the first wave of the pandemic.

But more people are also being admitted with other complex, more advanced disease, having put off seeking treatment.

It's leading to long waits in emergency departments and piling pressure on capacity in other parts of the hospital.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58179736

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I heard this on the radio, she seemed to be insinuating that further restrictions would help but then quickly backtracked when the interviewer was like wtf!!

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

You’re right it is up to the owners, but I won’t be going anywhere that requires me to have a negative test result. Fair enough if others don’t mind or think it’s a good idea, but I’m not having it.

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Which is completely your right too, LB. :aok: As I say, I don't think any businesses or their other customers will lose sleep over it.

Personally if it's something I want to attend (for example a gig) and they are asking for proof of vaccination/negative tests, I'll do it. The same way I would make the effort to sort travel, book accommodation or any other wee things required to enjoy these things comfortably.

Thankfully there aren't many gigs around these days that would get me wanting to do any of the above right now :greengrin

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Originally Posted by WeeRussell

Which is completely your right too, LB. :aok: As I say, I don't think any businesses or their other customers will lose sleep over it.

Personally if it's something I want to attend (for example a gig) and they are asking for proof of vaccination/negative tests, I'll do it. The same way I would make the effort to sort travel, book accommodation or any other wee things required to enjoy these things comfortably.

Thankfully there aren't many gigs around these days that would get me wanting to do any of the above right now :greengrin

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Proof of vaccination is fine with me as it’s something that was always planned. I absolutely hate taking those tests though. :greengrin

Covid Fact Check UK
@fact_covid

Based on antibody testing of blood donors, 96.9% (96.2% last week) of the *adult* population now have antibodies to COVID-19 from either infection or vaccination compared to 18.2% that have antibodies from infection alone.

70-84s: 99.5% (was 99.4%)
60-69s: 99.2% (was 98.9%)
50-59: 98.6% (was 98.5%)
40-49: 97.2% (was 96.8%)
30-39: 95.1% (was 95.1%)
17-29: 93.7% (was 90.8%)

33,074 cases and 94 deaths registered in the UK today.

** Cases and deaths within 28 days of a positive test reported for Wales cover a 2-day period, following the technical issue with the Public Health Wales dashboard on 11 August 2021.

Reported figures for new cases and new deaths in Wales differ from those published on the Public Health Wales dashboard which have been reported covering a 27-hour period up to 12:00 on 11 August 2021. **

https://mobile.twitter.com/aliostad/...35729874898946

One of the worst threads I've read. Whilst covid in the mass deaths state is all but over in the UK, that isn't the case in most countries. This thread on Iran is horrific.

WHO thinks its inhumane for vaccinated teens in the west and and the elderly getting a 3rd jab, when most haven't had 1

https://mobile.twitter.com/ByMikeBak...72343506997248

As depressing in a different way. The US who has plenty vaccine for everyone, but terrible uptake.

In Florida, 1 out of every 1,400 people are hospitalized with covid right now. 30% higher than uks peak and unfortunately its going up almost vertical

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Originally Posted by Smartie

FWIW I think most of the tests available are totally unreliable and of negligible benefit.

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:agree: This is hardly ever drawn attention to. Hancock's 'Testing Good' mantra has stuck, as if testing is in itself very valuable even when the tests aren't that good.

The Australian capital Canberra is going into a snap one-week lockdown after recording its first case of Covid-19 in more than a year.

It will come into effect at 17:00 local time on Thursday (07:00 GMT).

The lockdown was called for the whole of the Australian Capital Territory - home to around 400,000 people - because authorities do not know how the infected person caught the virus.

Residents will only be able to leave home for essential reasons.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-58182419

I can't believe they're not rioting in the streets about this over there.

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Covid Fact Check UK
@fact_covid

Based on antibody testing of blood donors, 96.9% (96.2% last week) of the *adult* population now have antibodies to COVID-19 from either infection or vaccination compared to 18.2% that have antibodies from infection alone.

70-84s: 99.5% (was 99.4%)
60-69s: 99.2% (was 98.9%)
50-59: 98.6% (was 98.5%)
40-49: 97.2% (was 96.8%)
30-39: 95.1% (was 95.1%)
17-29: 93.7% (was 90.8%)

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I'm maybe missing something, but why can't it be clearly differentiated by Vaccine only and infection only. I know 100% I'm in the former

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

The Australian capital Canberra is going into a snap one-week lockdown after recording its first case of Covid-19 in more than a year.

It will come into effect at 17:00 local time on Thursday (07:00 GMT).

The lockdown was called for the whole of the Australian Capital Territory - home to around 400,000 people - because authorities do not know how the infected person caught the virus.

Residents will only be able to leave home for essential reasons.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-58182419

I can't believe they're not rioting in the streets about this over there.

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It seems odd to us but they've been living fairly openly so it probably doesn't feel as bad having 'another' lockdown

There way out of that vaccine uptake otherwise a lockdown now is like our lockdown a year ago

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Fans going to the TRNSMT festival in September will have to show proof of a negative Covid test before being allowed in, say organisers

https://twitter.com/bbcscotlandnews/...872698370?s=21

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Originally Posted by SteveHFC

Fans going to the TRNSMT festival in September will have to show proof of a negative Covid test before being allowed in, say organisers

https://twitter.com/bbcscotlandnews/...872698370?s=21

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I guess Lord Bunberry will be selling his tickets now 😉

Israeli scientist Eran Segal:

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(Very) Preliminary results from Israel (to be taken as such) suggest effectiveness for the third booster in 60 y/o and above in preventing infections

Current estimate is 2-fold reduction compared to 60 y/o vaccinated with two doses. Estimate will likely change in the coming days

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If this holds up, no way the UK (or any other rich country) will be giving up those extra doses.

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

I guess Lord Bunberry will be selling his tickets now 😉

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I’m surprised they haven’t done this for sporting events yet.

Breakdown of today's cases by council area;

Glasgow - 205
North Lanarkshire - 146
Edinburgh - 128
Fife - 114
South Lanarkshire - 109
North Ayrshire - 66
Renfrewshire - 53
West Lothian - 50
Highland - 46
East Lothian - 45
Aberdeenshire - 43
Dumfries and Galloway - 42
Falkirk - 41
Perth and Kinross - 39
Aberdeen - 39
Argyll and Bute - 37
East Ayrshire - 35
Dundee - 34
South Ayrshire - 30
East Dunbartonshire - 29
West Dunbartonshire - 26
Inverclyde - 26
East Renfrewshire - 25
Scottish Borders - 22
Clackmannanshire - 22
Angus - 22
Midlothian - 21
Stirling - 14
Moray - 9
Shetland - 2
Na-h Eileanan Siar - 2
Orkney - 1

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Daily update - first dose;

UK - 47,129,400 (89.9% of adult population)

Wales - 2,307,504 (92.3% of adult population)
England - 39,544,351 (89.9% of adult population)
Scotland - 4,034,420 (89.7% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,243,125 (85.7% of adult population)

Second dose;

UK - 39,839,709 (76% of adult population)

Wales - 2,123,159 (84.9% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,100,236 (75.9% of adult population)
England - 33,240,790 (75.5% of adult population)
Scotland - 3,375,524 (75% of adult population)

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Daily update - first dose;

UK - 47,170,968 (90% of adult population)

Wales - 2,309,415 (92.4% of adult population)
England - 39,577,515 (89.9% of adult population)
Scotland - 4,039,226 (89.8% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,244,812 (85.8% of adult population)

Second dose;

UK - 40,013,470 (76.4% of adult population)

Wales - 2,127,921 (85.1% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,104,905 (76.2% of adult population)
England - 33,386,744 (75.9% of adult population)
Scotland - 3,393,900 (75.4% of adult population)

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/...mpression=true

Hospitals in mississippi close to collapse

I was in 3 pubs yesterday and all of them were still enforcing 1 metre distancing, 2 allowed service at the bar, 1 was table service only, you couldn't stand at the bar in any and all required masks when not seated. The pubs were the Guildford, Cold Town House and the Diggers.

We also had lunch in Dishoom and whilst we still needed to wear masks when not seated the distancing was far less strict. It was busy, I'd say almost every table was full and there was no way there was a metre between every table.

Corn Exchange for a comedy gig at night. Test results checked when we went in, unallocated seating with no distancing at all, masks on throughout.

All in all I thought it was fine. It's not normal and really not all that close to normal in some pubs but it was better than a couple of months ago.

What would be the script with going to mainland Spain - specifically Barcelona just now?

If I’m double vaxxed, what tests etc would I need? Is there a place where all this information is readily available? I had a quick look on the gov website thinking it would have a breakdown but it either doesn’t or I can’t find it.

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What would be the script with going to mainland Spain - specifically Barcelona just now?

If I’m double vaxxed, what tests etc would I need? Is there a place where all this information is readily available? I had a quick look on the gov website thinking it would have a breakdown but it either doesn’t or I can’t find it.

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https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-ad...ts#vaccination

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https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-ad...ts#vaccination

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Legend. God knows how I didn’t find it in that case.

Looks like a vaccine cert is all that’s needed.

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Legend. God knows how I didn’t find it in that case.

Looks like a vaccine cert is all that’s needed.

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Plus the declaration form.

You need to take a test to get back into Scotland though and pay £88 within 2 days of your return.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I was in 3 pubs yesterday and all of them were still enforcing 1 metre distancing, 2 allowed service at the bar, 1 was table service only, you couldn't stand at the bar in any and all required masks when not seated. The pubs were the Guildford, Cold Town House and the Diggers.

We also had lunch in Dishoom and whilst we still needed to wear masks when not seated the distancing was far less strict. It was busy, I'd say almost every table was full and there was no way there was a metre between every table.

Corn Exchange for a comedy gig at night. Test results checked when we went in, unallocated seating with no distancing at all, masks on throughout.

All in all I thought it was fine. It's not normal and really not all that close to normal in some pubs but it was better than a couple of months ago.

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What time were you in the Guildford? I was there for a couple of pints between 2.15 & 3.15. Felt pretty good to be back getting served at the bar!

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Plus the declaration form.

You need to take a test to get back into Scotland though and pay £88 within 2 days of your return.

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I’ve got £150 of Ryanair vouchers from last summer about to expire so think I’ll book them.

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What time were you in the Guildford? I was there for a couple of pints between 2.15 & 3.15. Felt pretty good to be back getting served at the bar!

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About 1.30 until just after half 2 so we probably crossed over.

I enjoyed it, the rules didn't feel too restrictive. It's just I'm so used to that pub being absolutely rammed with a crowds all around the bar and in the middle of the floor, everyone seated at tables made it still feel a bit less normal.