My local farm had a big SNP banner up last month. Wonder if the penny is starting to drop.Quote:
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My local farm had a big SNP banner up last month. Wonder if the penny is starting to drop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
First big test of the direction of Brexit Britain. If they can't even manage free trade deals with Aus and NZ, which would be tiny in terms of actual amount of trade, because of domestic issues, then the US will be even further out of reach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Screw the farmers, in this case disproportionately Welsh and Scots with consequent implications for the indy debate, or effectively admit the whole thing is a giant waste of time. :dunno:
Looks like the deal is done and the farmers will indeed be shafted. Might see some cheaper Aussie wine but that is cancelled out by dearer French wine.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Hopefully there is a freedom of movement element to the deal.
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Here's hoping, there's nothing like a long-weekend trip over to Brisbane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Absolute tosh, presenting id would be a barrier to democracy? We present id when we go to a bank etc, doing so when voting would be no different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
The point is that ownership of the types of ID being suggested, ie drivers' licences and passports, is less prevalent in lower-income families. Not having these presents a barrier to their voting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
You've got it in 1!*Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
The people poor enough not to have bank accounts (1.2M in the UK) are exactly who they're trying to disenfranchise.
* inadvertently.
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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
I was of the understanding even the poor had bank accounts, isn't that where benefits get paid? I don't see how any reasonable person could object to presenting id before voting.
I have neither of the above, I doubt very much that would be the defining id required.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
What would be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
I'd imagine the same kind of id you need when going to a bank.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
This? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Which is what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
I haven't been asked for ID in a bank for a long time, so not sure what the procedure is these days. I can't remember the last time I was even in a bank.
Here's Labour's view on the costs.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...bour-estimates
It's not a drivers licence or a passport that's for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
So what is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
It's a genuine question. The last time I was asked for ID, to pick up currency, I was asked for photographic ID. My driving licence was accepted.
I've not had to show ID in a bank for decades. Other than passport and driving license the only other photo ID I have is my works security pass. I'm sure a works security pass could easily be faked. This is all about voter suppression and is totally unnecessary. In the last election there was 1 case of attempted fraud that resulted in a prosecution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
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Originally Posted by Crunchie
Why would they need ID, what is the reasoning behind changing the law?
What is the reasoning behind changing any law?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Usually righting a wrong or reacting to changing circumstances, neither of which are relevant in this caseQuote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
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Am asking you for your thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
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Has there been any case of electoral fraud in the UK that having voter ID would have prevented? Any at all?
This is voter suppression, plain and simple.
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No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
1 conviction for voter fraud in the UK at the last general election.
You are more likely to get struck by lightning 3 times than electoral fraud in the UKQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The stat is something like 0.0000001%
**** off Britain you ****ed up mess of a country.
Yes I've fallen off the wagon and yes I've had a few but I'm so glad I've gone.
Are people actually still proud to be British?
And if you are why? what's so good?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bangkok Hibby
:tsk tsk: Think you have to say 'Great British' now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bangkok Hibby
😂😂😂😂😂😂 Great?....pathetic!Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
cawr blimey ! i've not watched this crap for nearly 30 years but is this not very good :devil: you would think a few of our fello...EX-EU friends would fling the UK a wee pointy or two shirly, Westminster will probably campaign to get India included next year
https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...b6&oe=60D07C35
TBF our song was absolutely *****!Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Other countries put up their stars for Eurovision. The UK selects a fat pub singer nobody has heard of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Look forward to The Proclaimers winning Eurovision for Scotland in a few years time.
The Eurovision results have always been politically motivated.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
The year that Russia invaded Ukraine the results were totally skewed between these two with votes from some countries disproportionate depending on which side they supported in the conflict.
There’s no doubt (regardless of how bad the act might have been) that Brexit has played its part here.
Amanda Holden was an embarrassment.
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Originally Posted by Northernhibee
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Originally Posted by StevieC
then this....
https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...0f&oe=60CE8060
the BBC or GB news, it's going to be a battle for the state TV broadcaster of the year award
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It's almost as if the USA & Russia didn't have any part in the second world war.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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What an absolute welt of a man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Erse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Which one? 🤔Quote:
Originally Posted by tamig
Well they wouldn't have if it wasn't forced upon them :aok:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Or the half a million Indian troops, or Australians, Kiwis, Canadians or indeed numerous other nations that made contributions. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Same as every other country other than Japan and Germany then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
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Wow! It's almost like nobody knew this happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The stupid ****ing prick.
What, and we would have sat idly by as well? It was forced on everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
And I used to doubt the existence of parallel universes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
Indeed, but it doesn't suit the agenda of that particular article to attribute the freedoms protected to anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
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Beginning to see where Hearts' claims of a 400,000 fan base come from. It includes everyone who thinks they won a war single-handedly, doesn't it?
No shock here. First of many vehement Brexiteers at the time who are now coming out with 'Ah but...' comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
You'll get plenty of stories like this coming out over the next couple of years once the reality of the shortage of EU workers hits home. Just wait to see the impact on the NHS.
People were warned and they responded it was 'Project Fear'. Well now the chickens are coming home to roost!
The negative effects of Brexit have been masked by the Covid crisis, once the economy starts reopening, companies at the bottom of the food chain will struggle with staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by GRA
Massive shortages in building materials feeding through at the moment. Driven by global demand and HS2 mostly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Construction costs here in France are going mental. This morning a contractor was telling me that structural timber, for years about 650-700€/m³, is up to about 1200€. We've had to tell a few clients over the past few months that budgets we set out with at the beginning of last year are no longer anywhere near doable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
https://amp.theguardian.com/educatio...mpression=true
I used to host foreign language students and they bring a lot of money into the Edinburgh economy. This is business that will only return with independence. It will be a real boost for Dublin.
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There quite a few dynamics at play with this one. The steel market is being affected by the Chinese lowering production and forcing prices up. There is a shortage of polymers which is effecting the manufacture of plastics. There is a worldwide shortage of shipping containers just now which is having a detrimental effect on material availability. Covid is having an impact on material coming from countries where lockdowns have been in force and to complete the perfect storm Brexit has added quite a bit of time on to lead times of materials as they need to clear customs now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
Most of the shortages in the UK can be attributed to the huge upturn in house building, this was not foreseen by a supply base which had furloughed so many people and didn't expect this upturn.
It is a bit of a challenge just now, in 25 years in procurement in this industry I have never seen the sort of price increases that have been implemented (and stuck) since the turn of the year, and I have never seen a time where certain materials like cement are in such short supply.
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https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/sta...516660741?s=21
I’m surprised at this latest row over EU refusal to allow UK sausages into their single market because Michael Gove said that they had sorted it?[emoji849]
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'Mon the EU.
Get Sausage Done
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https://twitter.com/faisalislam/stat...725084672?s=21
US apparently encouraging UK to align food standards with EU. This would be a great help for the Yes movement as it would make the new border with England a lot less of an issue.[emoji1696]
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Although the UK are acting like dicks on issues around NI/Brexit they'll have to give in, not least because they signed the blumming deal!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Once that's sorted Scotland will have a copy and paste oven ready deal.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...mpression=true
Brexit destroying UK reputation.
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The new trade deal with Australia has simultaneously ****ed over British farmers AND resulted in less tax revenue for the UK treasury. Yay.
Take back control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
They've been Trussed, well and truly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
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I can remember back to the time before the EU and the UK being flooded with cheap Australian and New Zealand meat imports destroying UK production. Looks like we've gone full circle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
wow...just wow
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:faf: Which of Dorries or Jenkyns has triumphantly tweeted that?Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
This is a per person estimate, not sure how I will spend my 1p yet
Will it mean more change in British pockets?
Yes. About 1p a week. The government has said it will save British consumers £34m a year, equating to 52p a person
It looks like Ozy farmers will be able export 60 times what they currently do before any tariffs or quotas come in. And that’s in year one.
Beef and Lamb will get cheaper but the farmers will be goosed. And the food miles will be huge.
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It will probably cost the UK agriculture industry many times that amount.Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
Good for global warming as well moving meat half way around the world. Carrie Antionette won’t be pleased.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
When our farmers go out of business we'll save the emissions from hearding livestock on their quad bikes though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
Ah wait, the Aussies use planes and helicopters.... ah well.... :-/
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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...1b1f071466.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
It’s not the only thing Australia does differently. It’s no wonder they can produce their meat a lot cheaper. I guess it’s ok to be cruel if it’s outsourced to another country?
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People might not know what Mulesing is so here is a little explanation. Warning it's not pleasant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Mulesing is the practice of scalping the rear end of a sheep, not just cutting the wool, to prevent blowflies laying their eggs on the skin of a sheep, the grubs which burrow under the skin. There are pesticides that will kill the grubs, but then it wastes some of the fleece to remove them rather than do it by hand.
Think twice if buying merino wool garments if you don't know the source of the wool. I buy my merino wool from dealers who source it from south America and the Falkland islands.
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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
An informative and sadly not surprising indication of the level of what the Nasty party think is acceptable in the brave new world.
I don't think it'll be too difficult to boycott these products and anything else associated with this dirty deal.
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I guarantee at some point in the future the Tories will be campaigning against cheap imports from Australia in an election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
They'd campaign against Tories if they thought it would keep their snouts at the trough a bit longer so this is entirely feasible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
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keep em coming
apparently the co-op still advertising though ? i'm still disgusted Kirsty Gallacher saw fit to join this tory programme, disgusted i say
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All of a sudden the Common Agricultural Policy doesn't seem so bad.
The answer here goes something like "You lost. Get over it", I think. Brexit will turn out to be a lose, lose and keep on losing situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
I’m surprised it hasn’t been raised yet in the media, given past coverage on chlorinated chicken from the US, but all meat chickens sold in Australian are also chlorinated…..Enjoy.
https://www.chicken.org.au/facts-and-figures/
From the FAQ at the bottom of the page:
"Is chlorine used in chicken meat production?
Yes, where immersion chilling (“spin chilling”) is used to rapidly reduce the temperature of freshly dressed chicken carcasses, the water used must be chlorinated or contain a chemical sanitiser approved for food contact. The majority of meat chickens in Australia are currently processed in plants which use a chlorinated water chiller. Chlorination of the water during immersion chilling assists in killing bacteria in the water and maintaining sanitary processing conditions, similar to the treatment of drinking water or swimming pool water.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57518910
UK food and drink exports to the EU almost halve.
The government said it was "too early to draw any firm conclusions" on the long term impact of Brexit.
Australia is not some back water country, I'm sure their standards of food are every bit as high as ours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curried
The post you quote would suggest otherwise?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
Their welfare standards are not. Some of the practices they still use in the rearing of animals are barbaric.
They simply and definitely are notQuote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
Looking at the state of the cheap chicken you see in some of the shops I'd beg to differ, there's no comparison to those pathetic underdeveloped birds on the shelves to a real chicken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
What relevance is whether it is a backwater country or not? The US isn’t a backwater country and indisputably has lower food standards than the UK when it comes to things like Chicken. That’s not just my opinion it’s the opinion of many prominent MPs within your own Conservative Partty and most environmental agencies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
They will be skinnier than Australia and us chickens because they are not plumped up with hormones and water. If you seen the size of a chicken 40 years ago and how much bigger it is now you would be surprised. Also that chicken doesn't have a life of hell that it has in ausQuote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
Are you telling me the watered pathetic chicken you see on the supermarket shelves are reared in healthy conditions? Have you seen any of the programmes showing you how they're reared? I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, they're no more chicken than you or I.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
I'm sorry but that is absolute rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Which part you bampot, us and Australia allow alot more chemicals than eu/uk or the terrible animal standards that they allow. I forgot you don't deal with facts or stats just what you see. So I may as well have a conversation with a ****ing tree I feel dafter for debating with you, so good day to you sirQuote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
Bampot and sir? Nice debating skills :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Nope, I’m saying the conditions they are reared in the USA and Australia are much much worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
You don’t have to take my word for it though, here’s the view of Anthony Browne MP, Conservative Chairman of the Environment Committee.
“the reason that the chicken meat needs to be washed in chlorinated water is that its low welfare standards leads to higher rates of infection. Low welfare standards enable US chicken producers to cut costs by as much as 20 per cent, potentially enabling them to undercut producers in the UK who bear the cost of higher standards.
If allowing cheaper imports of chicken produced with lower welfare standards meant that chicken production moved from the UK to the US wholesale, then it might save shoppers money on their grocery bills, but it would be bad for animal welfare and food security. In fact, it is entirely counterproductive: we might as well never have had the higher standards in the UK but rather kept the chicken production.”
- https://www.conservativehome.com/pla...l-welfare.html
You obviously missed my explanation of the barbaric practice involved with live sheep earlier. Animal welfare is secondary to profit in sheep farming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
Can you cite any of these numerous programmes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
Chickens in this country are reared and graded to certain standards, it's all about consumer choice.
Google it for yourself, I'm sure you'r capable. You can start with inside the uk's chicken farms on you tube for starters :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
I'll take a look at that, though I know some chicken farmers personally and professionally and can assure you that practices here are among the best in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
But like I say, it's about what you as a consumer can choose to buy.
a debate requires suitable input from both sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
as usual though, you've swerved the whole point.... the reason we don't need to chlorinate our chicken is entirely down to the methods used from initial hatching, rearing and eventual slaughter and subsequent packaging, the higher standards mean the bacteria/contaminants introduced in other countries procedures generally don't happen here.
you also cite YouTube vids, bring out the detail though.... many of these are years old and often relate to places not adhering to set standards and have been prosecuted or even put out of business.... you actually appear to be supporting these very poor methods in your argument that Aussie & US standards should be acceptable here.
The brexit benefit....2bn quid loss for food and drink exporters in first quarter......JMJ and the Wee Donkey!
https://www.theguardian.com/business...uarter-of-2021
Whereas dismissing something as "absolute rubbish" without addressing any of the points is practically Oxford Union. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
They are reared in terrible conditions but still miles better than the US or Australia. The trade deals we sign should see our national tag of Animal Lovers removed immediately. The deals will also put a death nail into UK farmers. They probably deserve it as they are usually Tories who voted for BrexitQuote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics...mpression=true
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