Brexit - What Now.

[Hibrandenburg]

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Part of a cynical manoeuvre by the Tories to consolidate power. FWIW, I think it's ridiculous that people living outside the UK for that length of time would still get a say in how its governed.

FWIW I agree.

[Jones28]

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Part of a cynical manoeuvre by the Tories to consolidate power. FWIW, I think it's ridiculous that people living outside the UK for that length of time would still get a say in how its governed.

Like their voter ID scheme.

[Future17]

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Like their voter ID scheme.

Exactly. A voter ID scheme that has been rejected time and time again by a variety of interested parties - including the Electoral Commission - as being a barrier to the exercise of democracy.

[Future17]

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As long as Scotland is part of the UK, then I'd imagine so.

The franchise is devolved for Scottish electoral events and referendums.

[Jones28]

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Exactly. A voter ID scheme that has been rejected time and time again by a variety of interested parties - including the Electoral Commission - as being a barrier to the exercise of democracy.

If they bring this in it MUST BE free and completely automatic. Anything else (application form, costs, etc) is designed to cement power.

[Future17]

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If they bring this in it MUST BE free and completely automatic. Anything else (application form, costs, etc) is designed to cement power.

Even that will have an impact. As we've seen with Covid vaccine uptake in certain communities, some people simply don't trust any additional contact with authority of any kind and, in some cases, with good reason.

[Jones28]

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Even that will have an impact. As we've seen with Covid vaccine uptake in certain communities, some people simply don't trust any additional contact with authority of any kind and, in some cases, with good reason.

that's all it's designed to do.

[Callum_62]

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[StevieC]

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...e=facebook.com

That sounds like “give us a better deal or we will let it kick off in Northern Ireland!”

[Ozyhibby]

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Interesting thread on how Scotland’s farmer are about to get shafted.


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[SHODAN]

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https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status...497661440?s=21

Interesting thread on how Scotland’s farmer are about to get shafted.


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My local farm had a big SNP banner up last month. Wonder if the penny is starting to drop.

[JeMeSouviens]

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https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status...497661440?s=21

Interesting thread on how Scotland’s farmer are about to get shafted.


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First big test of the direction of Brexit Britain. If they can't even manage free trade deals with Aus and NZ, which would be tiny in terms of actual amount of trade, because of domestic issues, then the US will be even further out of reach.

Screw the farmers, in this case disproportionately Welsh and Scots with consequent implications for the indy debate, or effectively admit the whole thing is a giant waste of time.

[Ozyhibby]

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First big test of the direction of Brexit Britain. If they can't even manage free trade deals with Aus and NZ, which would be tiny in terms of actual amount of trade, because of domestic issues, then the US will be even further out of reach.

Screw the farmers, in this case disproportionately Welsh and Scots with consequent implications for the indy debate, or effectively admit the whole thing is a giant waste of time.

Looks like the deal is done and the farmers will indeed be shafted. Might see some cheaper Aussie wine but that is cancelled out by dearer French wine.
Hopefully there is a freedom of movement element to the deal.


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[Hibrandenburg]

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Looks like the deal is done and the farmers will indeed be shafted. Might see some cheaper Aussie wine but that is cancelled out by dearer French wine.
Hopefully there is a freedom of movement element to the deal.


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Here's hoping, there's nothing like a long-weekend trip over to Brisbane.

[Crunchie]

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Exactly. A voter ID scheme that has been rejected time and time again by a variety of interested parties - including the Electoral Commission - as being a barrier to the exercise of democracy.

Absolute tosh, presenting id would be a barrier to democracy? We present id when we go to a bank etc, doing so when voting would be no different.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Absolute tosh, presenting id would be a barrier to democracy? We present id when we go to a bank etc, doing so when voting would be no different.

The point is that ownership of the types of ID being suggested, ie drivers' licences and passports, is less prevalent in lower-income families. Not having these presents a barrier to their voting.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Absolute tosh, presenting id would be a barrier to democracy? We present id when we go to a bank etc, doing so when voting would be no different.

You've got it in 1!*

The people poor enough not to have bank accounts (1.2M in the UK) are exactly who they're trying to disenfranchise.





* inadvertently.

[Crunchie]

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You've got it in 1!*

The people poor enough not to have bank accounts (1.2M in the UK) are exactly who they're trying to disenfranchise.





* inadvertently.

I was of the understanding even the poor had bank accounts, isn't that where benefits get paid? I don't see how any reasonable person could object to presenting id before voting.

[Crunchie]

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The point is that ownership of the types of ID being suggested, ie drivers' licences and passports, is less prevalent in lower-income families. Not having these presents a barrier to their voting.

I have neither of the above, I doubt very much that would be the defining id required.

[CropleyWasGod]

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I have neither of the above, I doubt very much that would be the defining id required.

What would be?

[Crunchie]

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What would be?

I'd imagine the same kind of id you need when going to a bank.

[Hibrandenburg]

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What would be?

This?

[CropleyWasGod]

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I'd imagine the same kind of id you need when going to a bank.

Which is what?

I haven't been asked for ID in a bank for a long time, so not sure what the procedure is these days. I can't remember the last time I was even in a bank.

Here's Labour's view on the costs.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...bour-estimates

[Crunchie]

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Which is what?

I haven't been asked for ID in a bank for a long time, so not sure what the procedure is these days. I can't remember the last time I was even in a bank.

It's not a drivers licence or a passport that's for sure.

[CropleyWasGod]

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It's not a drivers licence or a passport that's for sure.

So what is it?

It's a genuine question. The last time I was asked for ID, to pick up currency, I was asked for photographic ID. My driving licence was accepted.

[weecounty hibby]

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I'd imagine the same kind of id you need when going to a bank.

I've not had to show ID in a bank for decades. Other than passport and driving license the only other photo ID I have is my works security pass. I'm sure a works security pass could easily be faked. This is all about voter suppression and is totally unnecessary. In the last election there was 1 case of attempted fraud that resulted in a prosecution.

[Kato]

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I don't see how any reasonable person could object to presenting id before voting.

Why would they need ID, what is the reasoning behind changing the law?

[Crunchie]

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Why would they need ID, what is the reasoning behind changing the law?

What is the reasoning behind changing any law?

[MartinfaePorty]

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What is the reasoning behind changing any law?

Usually righting a wrong or reacting to changing circumstances, neither of which are relevant in this case

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[Kato]

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What is the reasoning behind changing any law?

Am asking you for your thoughts.

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