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Yes, I think so. Jackson knew fine well the SFA would not end the transfer embargo, but he can say he's trying everything possible to alleviate Hearts' problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Ferrigan
Some Yambassadors seem to think there is merit in pursuing this issue, but then they are a bit thick!
But Hearts aren't going to run out of sufficient players this season. As long as they have 7 players fit and available to play, then there shouldn't be a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
They will never get anywhere near that low. So it's complete nonsense again being spouted from the wonga dome.
How exactly do Hearts think its going to go? I'll tell you how
BJ: "Hiya, gonny lift the embargo?"
SFA: "Nut"
BJ: "Goan. Ye ken ye want tae"
SFA: "Nut"
BJ: "Wur jist gonny keep nippin yer heed until ye say aye"
SFA: "Awrite, if we say aye and let ye sign a couple will ye stoap goan oan aboot it and gies some piece?
BJ: "Aye"
SFA: "Awrite. Just a couple o players mind?"
BJ: "Promise"
Call ends
Secretary walks in
"I've got 11 chairmen oan the phone and they ur aw proaper ragin wi you by the way, thurs aboot tae be a big rammy by the soonds ae it.
SFA: "Aw fu.."
End Scene
It would be a major embarrassment to BDO if - after all that's been done and said since June - the Yams were to go into liquidation. Pretty sure their plans would have included coming out of Admin before Jan and the team doing a LOT better than it is. These are two FUNDAMENTAL problems for BDO that they're unlikely to resolve. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbytam
They'll get like a dog with a bone, incessantly nagging at the powers that be, to lift sanctions. It won't happen, as they are grossly overstating their case, but if they became unable to field 11 players and ultimately had to forfeit matches, what is the rule concerning the points to opponents? And would it lead to their expulsion from all four divisions of the SPFL?
I agree totally he seems to be taking it to the max as far as his job description goes or...Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbytam
Maybe he's just a Hearts supporter.
They seem to get enough help from the referees with opposition players sent off almost every game. Looks like one isn't enough for a result so maybe we will see multiple reds in the coming weeks - perhaps one or two of them in the warm up period. A secret cabal must be decreeing this intervention.
Ha ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
I personally think it's just PR in order to get the fans to come to home games.... The club are fighting back but we neede your help. Just another way of putting out the begging bowl without actually asking for money.
The fans will see this fight and dig even deeper.
I really do thing this is all it's about.
Yeah but remember there is a conspiracy by the refs against their bairns. :-DQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenLake
They have a first team squad of 25 listed on their website. This would mean that 9 players would have to be injured or suspended for them to be unable to name a full team bench for a match. If the players aren't good or old enough then that's their problem - they should have been more prudent over the past 10-15 years.
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa
I wondered this as well when listening to BJ last night, it seemed to come over as it was his own club, the way he spoke about Locke like he had any say over Locke being sacked for not doing his job well at h*****, i know FA bout all this but my impression is Jackson is a yambam :greengrin he is now basically accepting defeat in saving the yams with these DESPERATE pleas to the SFA/SPFL to let them sign players, if the party is over then time to put them out there misery and turn of the lights and padlock the gates before leaving for the last time.
TICK TOCK
They only need 7 :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
They don't need 11 available players, they only need 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
They are always wanting to change the rules to suit their own ends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
In 1964-65 season they lost the league to Kilmarnock on goal AVERAGE, if it had been goal DIFFERENCE they would have won it, so they got the rules changed.
In 86 they lost the league to Celtc on goal DIFFERENCE, apparently if it had been goal AVERAGE, they would have won it.
Surprised they didn't want it changed back again :greengrin
It's beginning to look like BDO's last few throws of the dice I'd say!Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomoseven
What happened in '86 like ? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by MB62
:greengrin
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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
http://www.604republic.com/desimgs/t...s_near/end.jpg
Indeed it is but BJ May take the view if he can overturn the registration issue more walk ups will appear and therefore increase cash flow etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibercelona
If they can't fulfil fixtures they'll be expelled from the League. Hope it happens, we'll be 3 points better off! :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
The DR report seems to suggest that the Yams know they're doomed to Relegation and this is all about protecting young players.
How would you feel if the SFA said .. ok, you can sign players as long as you agree to accept automatic relegation at the end of the season, irrespective of your points total ?
I think Celtc won the league on Health and Safety grounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
It's as simple as that mate.
The rules are rules.
:tee hee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Not sure of the Health and Safety rules but I think its up to the employer to make sure staff are safe.
Hearts are the employer not the SPFL. No one is forcing hearts to play injured players.
Is it not the case that the SPFL ask teams to field a sqaud of 11 players and if the club cannot do this then they forfeit that particular match or make arrangements for that game to be played at another date?
Or are the SPFL forcing hearts to play each game?
:confused:
:agree: and they have tae pay the penalty :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
No. Leave them as they are an let them rot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
They showed no sympathy whatsoever towards other clubs during the Romanov cheating years. But they have no problem recieving any sympathy they can get.
I say, give them nothing.
I think you're being a tad charitable here Crops. I believe you're correct re the going concern bit but I believe the main driver is the LC semi & the income which a cup final appearance would bring.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
We'd be 3 points worse off. All the league games against Hearts this season would be void and the points deducted from each teams totalQuote:
Originally Posted by brog
For the upteenth time the rules state that "7 players" must be available for a match to take place. Not 11.Quote:
Originally Posted by gogse
Yes but every other team bar Dons would lose more. Comparatively we would be better off against every other team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
I think so too but you know what for nearly my whole life (36) I've watched these smelly tramps get away with anything & everything.... The only real bit of piss poor luck I can ever remember them having was losing the title on the last day at Dens Park.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
They have this knack of wriggling out of everything..... I'm not a vengeful person by nature but I've waited a very long time to see them get whats coming to them......
If they manage to pressurise the authorities into doing something then I just think they will wriggle away again.....
They are like the proverbial bad smell.....
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Originally Posted by Hibercelona
:rotflmao:
Just a thought but could Hearts be making a loss at home games. There were lots of season tickets bought that arent getting used so most people will have a mate with a spare ticket. I cant imagine they will be getting any walk ups and stewarding and policing will still need to be paid.Maybe they need to get some more cash through the gate by signing their fallen heroes so they can break even.
HEALTH AND ****ING SAFETY!!!! With a ramshackle main stand..... Jesus Christ. :faf:
That too, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by brog
I also believe that BJ is getting unfair stick (but then I would, wouldn't i? :greengrin). Yes, he's trying to have the rules ignored, but in the light of his remit, that's what he would be expected to do.
It's a fair point, it's the employer who has a duty of care to the employee.Quote:
Originally Posted by gogse
If we run with the idea there is a health and safety issue, it's Hearts as the employer who would be held responsible, not the SPFL.
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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
Stop it. :faf:
Can anyone remember the times and reasons The Rangers or their previous incarnation went cap in hand for help to the SFA/SPL?
They weren't given any.
If the Yams are given help, the conspiracy theorists in Govan will have a field day.
No-one who runs the Scottish game wants to be accused of anti-Rangers bias.
For that reason alone, I expect the embargo to remain, although there are many other compelling ones.
It's only fair if you ask me. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
:agree: :greengrin :thumbsup: :top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
Yip and are now paying the penalty!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
35 maybe, they were at it when WM was the helm...... :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
I think it's possibly the opposite - if they can't do something to stop the slide, they become relegated too early, and no one will turn up to their games once that's happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weststandwanab
What ? Make a fool of himself ?Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Is that what you guys are required to do by law or just ICAS ?
How can they sign more players? They've got no money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
...unless they use the FOH money ...?
The FOH money is not available to BDOQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I make a fool of myself on a daily basis, both personally and professionally :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Seveno
What I was meaning that, if the possibility is still there to make a case for them, he is duty bound to at least consider it.
Sorry, forgot to add my :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
But there isn't a case here. Not even close.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Hibs now trying the Health and Safety angle too??
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Evening News @edinburghpaper 1h
MSP claims that Easter Road is too dangerous for cyclists
http://bit.ly/1iNTdEr
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...ned.1375419899
Imagine the reaction if Hearts are allowed to sign players...
One always sees things differently from the other side of the fence, grasshopper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibercelona
I suspect that you have ambitions to be an Administrator of football clubs and are just trying to lay the ground rules. We all know how hard you work as PR man for Duff and Duffer. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
And that is why it just won't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
Apart from the fact. The rules, is the rules. :greengrin
Do the initials F, R and O mean anything? :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Seveno
Jeez, when I see the stick BJ and D&D get, I reckon they're underpaid......... :fishin:
So Golden shower and bumbling Broon have organised a friendly match v Sunderland for tomorrow afternoon yet have bemoaned the fact that they are down to the bare bones and are only having 5 subs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibercelona
If this is indeed the case then hell mend them.
Excuses excuses.
This is all rubbish,they are looking everywhere for sympathy and their no getting it,poor wee professional footballers like they can't handle running about with a knock and a 15 year old youth player would love to get a chance of playing but the management don't want to pick them cause their no very good,a lot of humpings on the cards soon,should be a good February and march I think :-D
If in the unlikely event the rules are changed to help The Hearts then The Rangers will have plenty to say. Expect them to consult their brothers in the Law Society who helped in their great swindle and an appeal will sit before The Court of Session and overrule the SFA/SPFL.
So not happening. :greengrin
I think it is unfair for Rangers to be fined and not hearts. To remedy this injustice, hearts should be fined the same amount with interest charged from the date of administration..
The health and safety thing is a crock of crap, however if I was the league I would be asking to see their risk assesments.
They would have to have quantified the risk - lets see them do that for something as abstract as burnout for professional footballers.
Once the risk is quantified the employer then needs to develop strategies for managing the risk. One of the first to be considered is to totally stop doing whatever you are doing that is dangerous, and then if you dont want to do that you have to devise control measures.
So, choices might be:
withdraw from the league
select individual games to concede
postpone games (as happens when clubs are stricken with illness, like flu)
rotate players (a novel concept I agree)
stop arranging friendlies
At the end of the day, the health and safety of their employees is Hearts' issue, not the league's.
It is just not concrete enough to pass even the slightest scrutiny and will get them nothing apart from the inevitable derision from both fans and clubs. It is so stupid that it is embarassing.
I read it differently. I . Wonder if this is a strategically place pawn en route the the check mate that is LiquidationQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
1 Jamie MacDonald 2 Jamie Hamill 3 Kevin McHattie 4 Danny Wilson 5 Dylan McGowan 7 Ryan Stevenson 8 Scott Robinson 12 Callum Paterson 13 Mark Ridgers 14 Jamie Walker 15 Jason Holt 16 Brad McKay 17 David Smith 18 Dale Carrick 19 Billy King 20 Callum Tapping 21 Jack Hamilton 26 Adam King 27 Liam Gordeon 28 Sam Nicholson 29 Liam Gordon 29 Gary Oliver 30 Jordan McGhee 31 Angus Beith 32 Robbie Buchanan
25 names according to their official website listed as 1st team players.
It's becoming seriously cringe worthy the nonsense they are coming outwith EVERY DAY - no excuses etc - but everyday a new moan or excuse! :greengrin
Pretty sure none of these mentioned are 15/16 year old boys?Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenStar
Now that it has been considered and they have been told to get on with it from the authorities, what next, they must be close to running out of ideas, is he now not duty bound to do the right thing and admit defeat and bring things to an end.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Lots and lots of players :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenStar
just pish :agree:
and having the 3 stooges as a management team disnae help :greengrin
Last week Locke was complaining about being short of 4 players, one of whom was Gary Oliver! They want it both ways, they're 1st team players when injured but poor bedraggled, starving bairns when they're fit! Shameless!Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenStar
Is BDO finally admitting defeat and the end game is with us? :greengrin
GGTTH
To me, it's about stretching things as far as possible, time wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
The UKIO creditors/shareholders meeting is critical, and they have to get past that. And then there's the UBIG situation.... no date on that. And then there's the SPFL prize-giving at the end of the season, when they should get a drop of cash.
Whilst all of these avenues remain open, he has a case for keeping things going. Having said that, I know that he is an honourable guy, and has been in this situation hunners of times.... if it's appropriate, he will pull the plug.
Think health and safety need to investigate Dundee United -
19 yo Andrew Robertson has played 18 games for them this season.
20yo Kevin Mchattie has also played 18 games and needs a rest :na na:
They have 24 named first team players on their official site - only Holt Oliver Ridgers Wilson are injured
There are a further six 17 yo who play in the under 20s
When will someone in the media question the lies that they spout so easy
And only the dumb yams would claim to have no subs unless they put 15yo on the bench then play a midweek friendly v a EPL under 21s.
They are due other clubs quite a bit of 'Football Debt' that amongst others. To a sum just over £500,000 I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Am I right in saying the football debt comes from the prize money and they'll get what's left?
Can anyone tell me how much you get for finishing 12th in Premiership.
Stretching it out, avenues remaining open, keeping things going, honourable man blah blah blah.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Nothing to do with being pretty lucrative for BDO. Duff and Phelps made a pretty packet through Rangers.
Football administration does seem to be an easy earner for these guys can't think why they would want to keep it running.:rolleyes:
Is there another kind? :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by steviehibsleith
I just wish he'd make his mind up.:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
http://www1.skysports.com/news/12040/8793160/
Can we stop calling their game against Sunderland a friendly? It's a closed doors game so that's a bounce match. Everybody has them.
Sorry Sir ;-DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
Was gonna sort that mate but big ream sounds better :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
So what's the latest on their embargo?
The SPFL mentioned £18m in prize money at the end of the season to be distributed amongst the 4 leagues, any idea what they will get for finishing bottom of the Premiership league.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I take you feel they are no where near that yet.
Cheers CWG. :aok:
No matter what's said about Jackson - for him to basically make himself look stupid re this ongoing appealing, tells me there is SERIOUS bad news round the corner for them. It's a great 'Fall-back' to be able to say "Look we tried, you've seen what we did but unfortunately, we have no option but to ........."Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Ferrigan
Wouldn't put it past them to field a team of 7 then one purposely gets sent off (the 'Tattooed ******-wit the favorite for that job !!).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibercelona
Not strictly true. Rangers renegotiated their 1 year transfer embargo from immediate to after the first transfer window closed thus rendering it almost ineffectual. They signed loads of players prior to the season and lined loads up for September this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
They had a 10 point penalty which again was meaningless.
Their fine of £200k was for non payment of around £15m PAYE which again is more of a business plan than a punishment.
Rangers sanctions from the authorites were feeble.
Looks like something like 730k from this page on stv site.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/a...econstruction/
No idea on the money, TBH.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
Wouldn't say they are "nowhere near" the plug being pulled. I think the failure to get any help on the signing front is another nail being slowly driven into the coffin. I also think that the results on the pitch over the past month have concentrated minds; any thoughts that they might might play themselves out of oblivion must have disappeared by now.
No, I think they are a tad closer :wink:
Wouldn't it be nice if the money was shared out on the basis of points gained - right now they'd be due to pay up !Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Don't forget that that figure includes the money they got in August. Clubs get 2 SPFL payments. A flat one at the start of the season (everyone in premier gets the same) and a prize payment at the end depending on finishing position.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
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Originally Posted by ronaldo7
From that article
"In a desperate bid to raise funds, Hearts have put their whole squad up for sale and Jackson says he worries that a further financial burden could be disastrous."
Didn't he later make a song and dance about NOT selling players as they had enough money? :dunno:
Anybody remember this: http://www.express.co.uk/sport/footb...or-Hearts-fans
Despite celebrating a milestone on their road to survival yesterday, with a provisional deal to remove themselves from administration agreed, the Tynecastle administrator has confirmed that the financial plight of the club will become “a bit hairy” by February.
Foundation of Hearts’ takeover may not be completed until April – even though the club secured the backing of their creditors and shareholders yesterday morning for a CVA – due to the complexities of gaining UBIG’s majority shareholding in the club and subsequent legal technicalities.
That has left Jackson, above, once again pleading for fans to provide a Yuletide injection of funds.
He said: “In terms of Christmas, I’d expect Hearts fans not to buy presents this year, and hope they will be donating their money to the club!
“It’s difficult to keep asking fans for support. But the reality is I don’t know what lies ahead and, if we start to run out of time, I’ve nowhere else to go.
“Things will get a bit hairy going into February and March. We have enough funding to get to March, but once we get past that we’d be forced to start selling season tickets for the following campaign to raise money.
“It’s very difficult to ask fans to buy something they may not get. It’s like a donation when you get to that stage.”
The next couple of months will be very interesting indeed.:titanic:
“It’s very difficult to ask fans to buy something they may not get. It’s like a donation when you get to that stage.”
That's a novel concept....wonder where he got that one from :greengrin
Not enough to save them from anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
That's what I thought. CheersQuote:
Originally Posted by Weststandwanab
It's the Christmas comments that crack me up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Hackett
"Don't buy your children presents this year, plump it all into the club fund, because it worked so well the Christmas before."
Pretty poor journalism, though. The interview was done on camera, and he said that bit with a smile on his face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibercelona
There's another novel concept....Newspaper articles with smilies :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Maybe they're thinking along the lines of S.H.I.T. paying the players in question in the same way as happened at ICT a couple of years ago, can't remember the players name Johnny Foreigner I think, and in our own case George Best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
you only need 7 players to start a game, not play a full game. Up to the ref at what point it becomes farcical and call a halt, but they could still play on with 6,5,4...Quote:
Originally Posted by Deansy
BUT....if the CVA was eventually unsuccessful, how would they reimburse the faithful (minus administration fee:wink:), if they've been spending the money?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
I wasn't thinking about the Diddies money although at the end of the day it would be. One of the major backers could put the money up to start with.Quote:
Originally Posted by s.a.m
:agree: I think he asked for 3000 more seasons to be sold to enable them to get through to March.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Hackett
The whole thing stinks to high heaven though. He asked not to be given a fine and all was well as they "got away with a registration embargo", but now they have some cash, they want the embargo lifted.
It's thought that they have a couple of players ready to play for £0 Paul Ritchie being one of them. I wonder if the Schnozzel is the other. (Nae Chance)
I think the seasons for next year will be getting an airing soon.
That's factually incorrect as far as games in Scotland go, the interpretation of the Laws as far as the SFA is concerned is that once a team gets down to 6 players, the situation IS farcial and the game is abandoned, referees in Scotland do not have the discretion to play on with less than 7 players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baba O'riley
It'll be interesting to see what they propose to charge given the near certainty they'll be in the Championship. Anyone know what the average is at the moment for the league?Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Dundee half season price £150Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Hackett
http://www.dundeefc.co.uk/news_detai...LE&newsid=3385
Raith rovers FULL SEASON £200
http://www.raithrovers.net/8691/seas...ion-prices.htm
Hamilton Halfy £120
http://www.acciesfc.co.uk/