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***silverhibee*** · 07-01-2014 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by SurferRosa

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It`s not BDO`s job to make Hearts competitive. If they dont have any cash, if they cant fulfil the fixtures that, in the summer they assured the SPFL they could, then they close the doors and shut up shop. Someone needs to remind Bryan Jackson that he`s not a football club chairman and BDO are NOT a board of directors.

I wondered this as well when listening to BJ last night, it seemed to come over as it was his own club, the way he spoke about Locke like he had any say over Locke being sacked for not doing his job well at h*****, i know FA bout all this but my impression is Jackson is a yambam

he is now basically accepting defeat in saving the yams with these DESPERATE pleas to the SFA/SPFL to let them sign players, if the party is over then time to put them out there misery and turn of the lights and padlock the gates before leaving for the last time.

TICK TOCK

**~~Saorsa~~** · 07-01-2014 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Jim44

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They'll get like a dog with a bone, incessantly nagging at the powers that be, to lift sanctions. It won't happen, as they are grossly overstating their case, but if they became unable to field 11 players and ultimately had to forfeit matches, what is the rule concerning the points to opponents? And would it lead to their expulsion from all four divisions of the SPFL?

They only need 7

**~~Hibercelona~~** · 07-01-2014 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Jim44

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They'll get like a dog with a bone, incessantly nagging at the powers that be, to lift sanctions. It won't happen, as they are grossly overstating their case, but if they became unable to field 11 players and ultimately had to forfeit matches, what is the rule concerning the points to opponents? And would it lead to their expulsion from all four divisions of the SPFL?

They don't need 11 available players, they only need 7.

**MB62** · 07-01-2014 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Stevie Reid

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When they couldn't afford pay their staff wages and were bumping creditors whilst still signing new players, Hearts were bending the rules so much that the rules ended up being changed - now they want the rules changed so that they can go back to signing players that they can't afford?

What a vile embarrassment of an institution they are.

They are always wanting to change the rules to suit their own ends.
In 1964-65 season they lost the league to Kilmarnock on goal AVERAGE, if it had been goal DIFFERENCE they would have won it, so they got the rules changed.
In 86 they lost the league to Celtc on goal DIFFERENCE, apparently if it had been goal AVERAGE, they would have won it.
Surprised they didn't want it changed back again

**Jack Ferrigan** · 07-01-2014 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by jacomoseven

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Yes, I think so. Jackson knew fine well the SFA would not end the transfer embargo, but he can say he's trying everything possible to alleviate Hearts' problems.

Some Yambassadors seem to think there is merit in pursuing this issue, but then they are a bit thick!

It's beginning to look like BDO's last few throws of the dice I'd say!

**truehibernian** · 07-01-2014 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by MB62

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They are always wanting to change the rules to suit their own ends.
In 1964-65 season they lost the league to Kilmarnock on goal AVERAGE, if it had been goal DIFFERENCE they would have won it, so they got the rules changed.
In 86 they lost the league to Celtc on goal DIFFERENCE, apparently if it had been goal AVERAGE, they would have won it.
Surprised they didn't want it changed back again

What happened in '86 like ?

***silverhibee*** · 07-01-2014 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Desperate Dan

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I think working at the piggery must be damaging his mental health as well.

Health and safety

I'd love tae hear about that

**Weststandwanab** · 07-01-2014 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Hibercelona

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It's quite bizarre. As an Administrator, is it not his job to work in the best interests of the creditors?

Instead, he's begging the SFA to allow Hearts to spend more money. Surely that's in breach of what his role as an Administrator covers?

Indeed it is but BJ May take the view if he can overturn the registration issue more walk ups will appear and therefore increase cash flow etc..

**brog** · 07-01-2014 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Jim44

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They'll get like a dog with a bone, incessantly nagging at the powers that be, to lift sanctions. It won't happen, as they are grossly overstating their case, but if they became unable to field 11 players and ultimately had to forfeit matches, what is the rule concerning the points to opponents? And would it lead to their expulsion from all four divisions of the SPFL?

If they can't fulfil fixtures they'll be expelled from the League. Hope it happens, we'll be 3 points better off!

**Onion** · 07-01-2014 01:25 PM

The DR report seems to suggest that the Yams know they're doomed to Relegation and this is all about protecting young players.

How would you feel if the SFA said .. ok, you can sign players as long as you agree to accept automatic relegation at the end of the season, irrespective of your points total ?

***Bostonhibby*** · 07-01-2014 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by truehibernian

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What happened in '86 like ?

I think Celtc won the league on Health and Safety grounds.

***silverhibee*** · 07-01-2014 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Aldo

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This is exactly what they are hoping for but I cannot see the powers that be lifting any transfer embargo. They will just tell them that you agreed and signed up to the rules and regulations and therefore you have broken these rules and we will/ and have applied them correctly.

It's as simple as that mate.

The rules are rules.

**~~Saorsa~~** · 07-01-2014 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Bostonhibby

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I think Celtc won the league on Health and Safety grounds.

**gogse** · 07-01-2014 01:27 PM

Not sure of the Health and Safety rules but I think its up to the employer to make sure staff are safe.
Hearts are the employer not the SPFL. No one is forcing hearts to play injured players.
Is it not the case that the SPFL ask teams to field a sqaud of 11 players and if the club cannot do this then they forfeit that particular match or make arrangements for that game to be played at another date?

Or are the SPFL forcing hearts to play each game?

**~~Saorsa~~** · 07-01-2014 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by silverhibee

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It's as simple as that mate.

The rules are rules.

and they have tae pay the penalty

**~~Hibercelona~~** · 07-01-2014 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Onion

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The DR report seems to suggest that the Yams know they're doomed to Relegation and this is all about protecting young players.

How would you feel if the SFA said .. ok, you can sign players as long as you agree to accept automatic relegation at the end of the season, irrespective of your points total ?

No. Leave them as they are an let them rot.

They showed no sympathy whatsoever towards other clubs during the Romanov cheating years. But they have no problem recieving any sympathy they can get.

I say, give them nothing.

**brog** · 07-01-2014 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

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It's his job, in part, to preserve the business as a going concern. If I can follow his thinking here, that is what is driving him.

There is a possibility that, without sufficient players to complete the season, that going concern status might be threatened. So, from that angle, it is understandable that he is trying everything he can to keep the business going as long as possible.

I think you're being a tad charitable here Crops. I believe you're correct re the going concern bit but I believe the main driver is the LC semi & the income which a cup final appearance would bring.

**Gus Fring** · 07-01-2014 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by brog

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If they can't fulfil fixtures they'll be expelled from the League. Hope it happens, we'll be 3 points better off!

We'd be 3 points worse off. All the league games against Hearts this season would be void and the points deducted from each teams total

**~~Hibercelona~~** · 07-01-2014 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by gogse

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Not sure of the Health and Safety rules but I think its up to the employer to make sure staff are safe.
Hearts are the employer not the SPFL. No one is forcing hearts to play injured players.
Is it not the case that the SPFL ask teams to field a sqaud of 11 players and if the club cannot do this then they forfeit that particular match or make arrangements for that game to be played at another date?

Or are the SPFL forcing hearts to play each game?

For the upteenth time the rules state that "7 players" must be available for a match to take place. Not 11.

**brog** · 07-01-2014 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Bajillions

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We'd be 3 points worse off. All the league games against Hearts this season would be void and the points deducted from each teams total

Yes but every other team bar Dons would lose more. Comparatively we would be better off against every other team.

**HibbySpurs** · 07-01-2014 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Onion

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Chill. It's not gonna happen. This is just "big team" posturing by the Yams - they have to be seen to be doing something. The reality check of relegation must be seriously affecting BDOs projections and the viability of the whole club, since a CVA still looks months away.

I think so too but you know what for nearly my whole life (36) I've watched these smelly tramps get away with anything & everything.... The only real bit of piss poor luck I can ever remember them having was losing the title on the last day at Dens Park.....

They have this knack of wriggling out of everything..... I'm not a vengeful person by nature but I've waited a very long time to see them get whats coming to them......

If they manage to pressurise the authorities into doing something then I just think they will wriggle away again.....

They are like the proverbial bad smell.....

**gogse** · 07-01-2014 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Hibercelona

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For the upteenth time the rules state that "7 players" must be available for a match to take place. Not 11.

***wookie70*** · 07-01-2014 01:34 PM

Just a thought but could Hearts be making a loss at home games. There were lots of season tickets bought that arent getting used so most people will have a mate with a spare ticket. I cant imagine they will be getting any walk ups and stewarding and policing will still need to be paid.Maybe they need to get some more cash through the gate by signing their fallen heroes so they can break even.

**Mikey09** · 07-01-2014 01:35 PM

HEALTH AND ****ING SAFETY!!!! With a ramshackle main stand..... Jesus Christ.

***CropleyWasGod*** · 07-01-2014 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by brog

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I think you're being a tad charitable here Crops. I believe you're correct re the going concern bit but I believe the main driver is the LC semi & the income which a cup final appearance would bring.

That too, of course.

I also believe that BJ is getting unfair stick (but then I would, wouldn't i?

). Yes, he's trying to have the rules ignored, but in the light of his remit, that's what he would be expected to do.

**Dunderhall** · 07-01-2014 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by gogse

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Not sure of the Health and Safety rules but I think its up to the employer to make sure staff are safe.
Hearts are the employer not the SPFL. No one is forcing hearts to play injured players.
Is it not the case that the SPFL ask teams to field a sqaud of 11 players and if the club cannot do this then they forfeit that particular match or make arrangements for that game to be played at another date?

Or are the SPFL forcing hearts to play each game?

It's a fair point, it's the employer who has a duty of care to the employee.
If we run with the idea there is a health and safety issue, it's Hearts as the employer who would be held responsible, not the SPFL.

***silverhibee*** · 07-01-2014 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Desperate Dan

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They only need 7

Stop it.

***Hibbyradge*** · 07-01-2014 01:37 PM

Can anyone remember the times and reasons The Rangers or their previous incarnation went cap in hand for help to the SFA/SPL?

They weren't given any.

If the Yams are given help, the conspiracy theorists in Govan will have a field day.

No-one who runs the Scottish game wants to be accused of anti-Rangers bias.

For that reason alone, I expect the embargo to remain, although there are many other compelling ones.