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I felt o’rourke would probably have been best placed to take him on but he made a complete mess of his campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
I think Biden will get it done though but will only be a one term president and there will be challengers to Harris in 2024. And unless the Trump organisation collapses under massive legal pressure the they will be up against a Trump.
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The polls are showing the same. Biden only had an 83% chance of winning the other day but it's 87% now.Quote:
Originally Posted by McS****y
https://projects.economist.com/us-20...cast/president
You have to wonder how anyone who isn't white would vote for him after last night.
Why anyone who isn't a white supremacist would vote for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
You have to wonder how anyone who isn't stupid would vote for him, whether before or after last night. I know last time round Clinton referred to his support as deplorable and it backfired on her badly, but describing his core support as deplorable is pretty accurate, with the only real defence against that charge being a lack of intelligence to know any better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
What a democracy the USA is, they criticise other countries elections but they have a system where you poll less votes than your opponent but win the election. The electoral college should have been got rid of 50 years ago. Remember the Florida debacle a few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
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Originally Posted by gbhibby
Americans think everything they do or the way they do it is the best way ever and can't possibly be done in a better/fairer/more sensible way. Everything they do/produce/act/operate is the best way. :rolleyes:
Our system has its faults as we do not have PR but that is another issue. I fear for the future of America if he gets in again. Biden is too old and should not have been chosen by the Democrats(not being Ageist). I think the Donald will probably get in again.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
I'm sure Boris will disagree with that. He has world beating testing systems donchno.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
In our country, we could end up with a Prime Minister whose party received fewer votes than another party.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbhibby
Its worth pointing out again the majority of Americans vote Democrat, 6 out of the last 7 presidential elections going back to the late 1980s, with the only exception being Dubyas second term in 2004, the Democrats have won the popular vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
But were any of them any of the talented ones? :-) Based on that I can only assume that the Democrats are in a bad way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
I know I did say that ours is not perfect as we do not have PR. The American election is a two horse race and should be decided by a simple majority person with most votes get elected. UKIP got a few million votes in a recent general election but only 1 MP,not that I am a UKIP supporter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
It also allows non consecutive two term Presidents.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
He could lose this year and could be back like a bad rash in 2024.
If he wins, expect Don Jr or Ivanka to run in 2024.
J
I didn’t know that 👍 I knew Bill Clinton wanted to make that change but didn’t know it’d been ratified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
If he loses, a lot could happen in the subsequent three/four years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
There will be a lot of legal bills that’s for sure...Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
Based on what? You have asked a question then turned it into a presumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
Your original post was that a lot of potential Democratic candidates didn't put themselves forward, whereas it was the biggest field from either side since 1972.
Maybe if you checked who had put themselves forward, you wouldn't have to 'assume' and you could more accurately state what the field was like.
You take things way too seriously, man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
I couldn't decide whether the US election, Trump or this thread was the right place for this.
One of my all time favourite singer songwriters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quSvEOzZqhI
Watch right to the end.
The Kayleigh Show (otherwise known as The White House Briefing, or Comical Ali part 2) goes live in a couple of hours. Should be a hoot after the debate.
She's talking over all the journalists, Trump stylee.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
She's a terrible person, just horrific. Good looking lassie though :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
What a car crash that was. Journalists/reporters were better than in the UK versions though.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Confirmed Trump has covid.
But it’s a Democrat hoax??Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
Just announced - shares in Domestos have plummeted!!:greengrin:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
I’m sure an obese, 74 year old man will be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
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If it's genuine I really don't care which way it goes
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Nah, I really want him humiliated in November. If he does check out, I can see the Trump organisation folding like Maxwell’s did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
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He has a lot of debt which needs to be addressed next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
This will work in Trump's favour. He'll be fine and a sympathy vote from dumbass Americans will win him the election.
Its awfully convenient after the week he's had.
We should afford Trump the same compassion he afforded the circa 210,000 Americans who have so far died due to Covid: "It is what it is".Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
He's been telling the public masks aren't necessary and the economy must be re-opened etc. It's a very dangerous game; he held another large rally just yesterday. Of course Trump will receive the best health care in the world, unlike the millions of Americans who have no cover.
When Johnson was ill, as much as I dislike the man and his politics, I genuinely hoped for the best with him.
With Trump I just don't care. I don't actively wish serious illness on him but if it happens I'll shrug my shoulders and not give it a 2nd thought. He has shown no compassion for anyone else impacted by covid and seems so lacking in empathy it borders on the psychopathic.
I just hope he hasn't spread this to anyone else who may be severely affected by it.
Less than 14 days until the 2nd debate so surely that has to be cancelled now. He will still be in isolation even if he is fine.
Result for Biden who is ahead after the last one.
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It won’t. The dumbass majority are already his base. He needs more than surviving coronavirus to win the election following his cluster**** campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
I fully agree. I wouldn't wish Trump dead, despite the disgrace he is, but I'm not going to be a hypocrite and wish him well. I just don't care, in the same way he doesn't care about the thousands of Americans who have died as a result of his appalling handling of the crisis. They are the ones who deserve our sympathy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Yep. Considering the stream of lies over the last four years you have to be a wee bit sceptical.Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
Thoughts and prayers
That was my immediate thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
It's yet another lie designed to help his campaign. When he miraculously recovers, he'll profess himself to be even more of a superman.
That was my first thought, I hate those lying *******s for making cynics out of us all.Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
I would imagine Biden will need to isolate now as well? Although they were socially distant, he did spend 90 mins in the same room as him?
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He'll be tested I'd imagineQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Awful news, my thoughts are with the virus at this difficult time.
:agree: worst still is that we’re probably right.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Ah...was just going to post something along these lines!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
It would be a wee bit strange if this was all a con....would he really want to show a sign of weakness?
Perfect for Trump, behind in the polls and the debates were not going to improve that situation as analysis of the first debate has shown so they will now be cancelled.
I would imagine that Harris v Pence will also be cancelled which is a major plus as Harris would have destroyed Pence.
He gets to lie low for a couple of weeks and then just before polling can make a strong recovery and boost his base, turnout and also gain admiration and sympathy from the wider, undecided voter.
I'm confident It'll reject him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
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Surprised his wife has it as well. Doubt they spend more than 10 minutes together a week. She is quite clearly repulsed by him.
Hopefully Harris Vs Pence can go ahead. Pence is one of Trump's biggest enablers and seeing him getting destroyed will be very entertaining.
I don’t think so. Trumps appeal among Republicans (apparently) lies in him being a badass, taking no **** from anyone. An asshole but our asshole, if you like. I don’t think he’ll elicit much sympathy even among his supporters because he wasnt that kind of individual that elicited empathy in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
Yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
People who prefer army men who don’t get themselves captured probably don’t fancy a president who catches himself the virus.
He’ll have to reap what he’s sown one day.
Biden should be making big on the fact that his campaign had a member not only displaying symptoms, had a test and in all likely hood they knew had COVID, yet still went ahead with a fundraiser in New Jersey yesterday.
This isn’t a man you can trust. He put his re-election in front of the health of those not only at the rally, but his whole staff and anyone he came into contact with. Considering his base (egged on by him) are anti maskers. He could be the super-spreader.
He needs to have a bad case. Not trying to be some monster, but it’s the only way he will learn humility and take it seriously. It’s not just him but the lives of millions of anti-masker Americans (and those they spread it to) at stake.
If he shrugs it off as “bad flu” he will double down on the lack of severity.
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Joking, right? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
Army men, who seem to have forgotten that he repeatedly lies about bone spurs to dodge the Vietnam war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Religious men, who seem to have forgotten he’s a serial philanderer and assaulter of any ‘hot piece of ass’ available.
It makes no sense.
I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
This tweet made me laugh.
“Given that one of the symptoms is a loss of taste we should've seen this coming”
https://twitter.com/drphiliplee1/sta...211634688?s=21
Talk about kicking a man when he’s down.
Hope we gets well soon and makes a full recovery.
Freudian as.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
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He's done much, much worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
Ayrshire advertiser puts it into perspective.
The owner of the luxurious Ayrshire resort has tested positive for COVID-19
https://t.co/eIimDPsKae
:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Not least his reaction when Hilary Clinton got pneumonia during the 2016 campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
He's only displaying mild symptoms. Though concerning for a man his age, the early signs point to a speedy recovery. I just hope one of those 'mild symptoms' is explosive diarrhoea. :greengrin
He's had that for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Ohhh... from that end??? 😆
That's a bit of a common misconception. The severity of early symptoms are not necessarily an indicator of someone not developing serious complications later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
The crucial bit seems to occur around 1 week after infection. Most people get better but some appear to quite quickly deteriorate, even if they have been doing OK.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/02/trumps-age-and-weight-may-cause-covid-19-complications-doctors-say
That is class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
True, it could develop into something more serious in the coming days. I'm not wishing the man anything life threatening, that's his M.O. He needs to survive so can he can go to jail.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
Being airlifted to hospital now.
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Hospitalised.
There is essentially a hospital on site at the White House. If he is being moved then it's serious.
Think that puts paid to the notion (which I held) that he was lying. Being hospitalised doesn't fit any useful narrative for him.
It did Boris Johnson no harm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/...581279232?s=19
Sounds like it's fairly serious.
Familiar sequence of events to Boris Johnson. If he ends up even half as seriously affected as the PM it could easily be the end of him, bearing in mind he's a lot older.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
At the veery least I can foresee the election being put on hold.
Johnson was never a full on denier. He was an idiot with the hospital handshakes etc but he never claimed it was a hoax. And he's not directly encouraging the anti mask brigade.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
The conspiracy theories will go nuclear now, and it will addle the brains of his supporters who say COVID is a hoax. They will need new directions from Fox News.
I think Fox has created a little bit of distance from him, and I can't see Pence having the personality to whip up the crazies. They'll be like lab rats when the food buzzer runs out of batteries. Could be dangerous or could fizzle out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
You can just imagine his 1st public appearance after he gets out of hospital:
'I had serious covid. Very serious. I don't know but the doctors told me it was the worst case they had seen. All the other stuff is fake news. But they said listen this guy is a great fighter, really great. My uncle was a scientist so I understand this. Good brains, really great. The doctors, good people, said we'll try the things this guy suggested months ago and they worked. I'm not saying that's all there was to it but that's what I hear, people tell me that.'
I know nothing about the US constitution, but would be surprised if the founding fathers legislated for delays if one of the candidates was unwell.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
Let's hope they don't inject him with disinfectant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Naughty :tee hee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
Election can’t be put on hold.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
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What if he (or any president) dies so close to an election?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
There’s one from democrat leaning/Trump hating commentators that Trump is faking having Covid, based on the fact he lies all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
There isn’t a hope in hell Trump would fake an illness that would quarantine him for possibly weeks thus removing him from his rallies/fundraisers where he gets his ego massaged talking to his base. I don’t understand why everything has to be a conspiracy.
I don't think he's faking it. He has been downplaying/ignoring COVID from the start, so he isn't going to hospitalise himself with COVID now. His getting the virus only underlines what his irresponsible approach can lead to. The sad fact is there has been so much misinformation from Trump (over 16,000 verifiable lies since he became president) that nobody believes anything any longer. It is a sad state of affairs that it's come to this. His constant gaslighting has destroyed trust in the presidency and the media. It's a unique time, in which everything is dismissed as 'fake news'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Higgo
Article on it here. It will be messy I think but I can’t see the Democrats allowing a delay to the election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
https://news.sky.com/story/us-electi...-dies-12087574
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Nor should they - Clinton was given no delay or mercy when she had pneumonia right before the 2016 election. In fact, Trump used it as a stick to beat her with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Surely he would just get a (very) clean bill of health. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
The most annoying thing about this is that he'll just use it as an excuse if he loses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Trump is more at risk than Johnson. He’s older, fatter and according to his tax returns, he’s also in a low income bracket.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
:top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by Colr
The BBC report I watched said it's possible to delay it by an Act of Congress, but that would require Democrat support so probably unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
However, if Trump's condition were to deteriorate to the extent that he's incapacitated for the length of time the PM was (or worse) I wonder if there would be a more sympathetic response from the Democrats.
Edit: Sorry, just seen you've since posted a link about this.
Pretty sure Pence would step into the role. I think there's a constitutional amendment which sets out the precise procedure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
I was treated with this great medicine, really good, they call it NaOCl. Don't know what that means or even how to pronounce it but it works, it really works, it really cleaned up the virus, if there is a virus, but it cleaned it up real good. They told me it it kills 99% of all known germs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I think he steps in to the role of president but not the role of candidate. The republicans would need to nominate a new candidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
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:faf: i think that’ll be very close to it, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Trump always sounds like he’s reading a script from BrassEye.
That sounds right according to this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://news.sky.com/story/us-electi...-dies-12087574
Hard to see how they could organise a new candidate/ballot in time, especially as there have been many postal votes already cast.
Hopefully it won't come to that. Trump's a bampot but I wouldn't wish the worst on anyone.
Yeah, but remember the postal votes are to be discounted in the event of a Democrat win. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
Definitely more serious than what the White House is reporting.
Doubt he’ll be back there as President again.
:pray:Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
Boris is podgy but he cycles . plays alot of tennis and probably eats well. Donald sounds like a slob that lives on big macs , pizza and the odd round of golfQuote:
Originally Posted by Colr