Tommy Robinson

I started to read a good book (must get back to it) called Factfulness.

The basic premise of the book is that the world isn't anything like as bad as we think. Standards everywhere are improving, in every way, and we are duped into thinking things are far worse than they are by sensationalist and incorrect reporting that we lap up.

One of the facts it covers early on is birth rate. There will be more children born to couples in poorer countries to poorer people in order for them to ensure the survival of some of their offspring. As infant mortality reduces in more prosperous places, people have more family planning and have less children.

18th century Ireland, out in the sticks in Yemen or South Sudan - people will have more children as without easy access to modern medicine less children will survive.

I don't suspect that 2 UK born Muslims who are doctors will need to have 15 children in order for their bloodline to survive.

Therefore this talk of UK Muslims breeding like rabbits and taking over is utter nonsense.

'They' don't even breed like rabbits, they breed like rats, just ask any bigot.

https://youtu.be/kAeEJ3a2yt0

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Just a guess, but I suspect his concern hasn’t really anything to do with religion and he’s more concerned about a decreasing percentage of proppa British white folks.

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Well, I can trace my British ancestry back 1500 years when the population was 1.5million so there’s one **** of a lot of you ******* need to piss off back to where you came from so I can have my country back!!

Let’s start with Yackety-Lennon

Tommy Robinson is a self-centred attention seeker who makes out he's some kind of hero. Him getting the jail unfortunately has only made more his victim complex bigger.

He got punished because he disobeyed orders to stop recording as it could have ****ed up the entire trial. Never have or never will have any sympathy for that horrible wee bigot. He's the absolute epitome of "small man syndrome".

Interestingly enough I don't see him going around trying to expose white peadophiles (and there are plenty). All about promoting his "big bad muslims" agenda.

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Cause its their way or the highway....and that is also why you have no choice but to eat Halal meat wherever you go.

This is a Christian country whether you like it or not.

But I guarantee that meat you had tonight WAS Halal.
And Zakat tax on it...which has links to terrorism.

That is fact...and basic research of any kind will prove im right.

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Bit late to this thread, and enjoyed reading some of the rantings. Most of your utter tripe has been addressed, but not this one.
I have dealt with and visited many food processors, and your statement is simply false. Basic research? Try some.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/british-white-people-set-become-14830628.amp

Easier to pretend its not happening though....

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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/british-white-people-set-become-14830628.amp

Easier to pretend its not happening though....

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"It" being what, exactly?

Whites becoming a minority? The article doesn't actually support the headline.

It suggests that "non-whites" will become the majority. Which means people of African origin, Arabic, South Asian, East Asian, Caribbean etc etc added together.

White people will still be, by far, the largest ethnic group. So those that are concerned by 'it" can still sleep soundly in their beds.

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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/british-white-people-set-become-14830628.amp

Easier to pretend its not happening though....

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Who are the ‘white people’? Jesus was brown. In my sons primary class in Towerbank Portobello only 4 kids had 4 Scottish grandparents. I have Jewish and Irish ancestry. My youngest son has Algerian heritage.

Scots were welcomed all over the world. Twenty of my friends and family live internationally. I have work colleagues and friends from India&Pakistan, Africa, Far East, America and Europe.

Yours are the views of a dinosaur who refuses to accept the reality of the world we live in. They are also out of step with the values of a club formed by immigrants.

It is not ‘they’ who do not belong among us Ryan.

It is you.

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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/british-white-people-set-become-14830628.amp

Easier to pretend its not happening though....

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You really need to have a look at this and get it in your head that it's always been happening and always will.

https://youtu.be/IpKqCu6RcdI

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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/british-white-people-set-become-14830628.amp

Easier to pretend its not happening though....

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Do you avvept any of the specific, fact-based rebuttals to any of the allegations you assert? Or do you just do a fingers-in-the-ears job when presented with evidence. You're like a textbook definition of cognitive dissonance

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Who are the ‘white people’? Jesus was brown. In my sons primary class in Towerbank Portobello only 4 kids had 4 Scottish grandparents. I have Jewish and Irish ancestry. My youngest son has Algerian heritage.

Scots were welcomed all over the world. Twenty of my friends and family live internationally. I have work colleagues and friends from India&Pakistan, Africa, Far East, America and Europe.

Yours are the views of a dinosaur who refuses to accept the reality of the world we live in. They are also out of step with the values of a club formed by immigrants.

It is not ‘they’ who do not belong among us Ryan.

It is you.

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I only care about what is happening in the UK.

I have every right to live here,I served my country...did you?

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I only care about what is happening in the UK.

I have every right to live here,I served my country...did you?

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I only care about what is happening in the UK.

I have every right to live here,I served my country...did you?

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you seem to have a misapprehension that this country is only for "white people"....I'm delighted to see the UK now full of diversity..makes it richer and more interesting...many ethnic minorities with a deep british heritage too - it's not going to revert back either - How do you like them apples?

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I only care about what is happening in the UK.

I have every right to live here,I served my country...did you?

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By that logic, you'll be happy for Muslims (or anyone of a non-Christian faith) who have served with the armed forces, or who have served the country in other ways (for example, by paying tax), to live here.

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I only care about what is happening in the UK.

I have every right to live here,I served my country...did you?

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You didn't though, did you?

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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/british-white-people-set-become-14830628.amp

Easier to pretend its not happening though....

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The important figure in that report is the 42.1% of people in Birmingham who identified themselves as non-white British. The trouble is that people who are colour blind and people who are not colour blind read that sentence in two completely different ways.

One person sees "42.1 per cent of people in Birmingham classified themselves as non-white British in the 2011 census".

Another person sees "42.1 per cent of people in Birmingham classified themselves as non-white British in the 2011 census"

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I only care about what is happening in the UK.

I have every right to live here,I served my country...did you?

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As in.. Amsterdam?

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The important figure in that report is the 42.1% of people in Birmingham who identified themselves as non-white British. The trouble is that people who are colour blind and people who are not colour blind read that sentence in two completely different ways.

One person sees "42.1 per cent of people in Birmingham classified themselves as non-white British in the 2011 census".

Another person sees "42.1 per cent of people in Birmingham classified themselves as non-white British in the 2011 census"

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Sorry, I'm having a thick moment here. What's the difference? :confused:

Do you mean non-[white British] as opposed to [non-white] British?

I didn't see the former meaning without looking at it very hard. I'm sure it's meant to be the latter.

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Sorry, I'm having a thick moment here. What's the difference? :confused:

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This 42.1% of people: Do you want to feel pleased that they see themselves as British or do you want to feel humpty that they are - or see themselves as - non-white?

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This 42.1% of people: Do you want to feel pleased that they see themselves as British or do you want to feel humpty that they are - or see themselves as - non-white?

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Oh, I see. Whatever they like is fine by me. How about rUK-ish? :wink:

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Oh, I see. Whatever they like is fine by me. How about rUK-ish? :wink:

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Doesn't trip off the tongue quite so well. Plus being British means they're part of the Union, Jack. :greengrin

Anyone seen Ryan69 and Ignsh70 in the same room at the same time? 🤔

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Anyone seen Ryan69 and Ignsh70 in the same room at the same time? 🤔

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Is the answer Richard Leonard? :wink:

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I only care about what is happening in the UK.

I have every right to live here,I served my country...did you?

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Haha this is a cracker mate.

You served your country so you deserve to stay here.

How do you feel about muslims who have served?

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Haha this is a cracker mate.

You served your country so you deserve to stay here.

How do you feel about muslims who have served?

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My guess would be so long as they're not brown, they're ok.

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I only care about what is happening in the UK.

I have every right to live here,I served my country...did you?

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Would love to know a little bit about how/when/where you served your country?

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Would love to know a little bit about how/when/where you served your country?

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Little chef, 1983.

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I only care about what is happening in the UK.

I have every right to live here,I served my country...did you?

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Did ye aye?

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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/british-white-people-set-become-14830628.amp

Easier to pretend its not happening though....

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Would you classify yourself as a racist or are you in denial?

While the mainstream media ignore trials like this, and seem frightened to report news like this. The Tommy Robinson supporters will point this out, and continue to ask why?

It gives them more ammunition, and the bigots lap it up.

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/161..._is_convicted/

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While the mainstream media ignore trials like this, and seem frightened to report news like this. The Tommy Robinson supporters will point this out, and continue to ask why?

It gives them more ammunition, and the bigots lap it up.

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/161..._is_convicted/

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It was reported by the BBC at the time, no?

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While the mainstream media ignore trials like this, and seem frightened to report news like this. The Tommy Robinson supporters will point this out, and continue to ask why?

It gives them more ammunition, and the bigots lap it up.

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/161..._is_convicted/

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This got wide national media coverage at the time....


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It was reported by the BBC at the time, no?

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This got wide national media coverage at the time....


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I would hope it was, but i don't remember seeing it at all, and i do watch the news every night? :confused:

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I would hope it was, but i don't remember seeing it at all, and i do watch the news every night? :confused:

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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.b...shire-43787377

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I would hope it was, but i don't remember seeing it at all, and i do watch the news every night? :confused:

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Was covered from many angles as I recall.... do some searches on BBC and other media sites - I’m sure the coverage will be there

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I googled that myself and saw it, was it on the telly as if it was i must have missed it? :dunno:

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I googled that myself and saw it, was it on the telly as if it was i must have missed it? :dunno:

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I couldn't say. I rarely watch the TV news these days, and get my fix online.

The problem with TV news is that they have to prioritise things to fit into a half-hour or hour programme. Some things which, on another day, would be headlines, will get bumped partially or completely if there is a "bigegr" story. Without revisiting the news stories of that time, it's hard to say whether that was the case here.

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Aye, but other than being exposed and reported on almost all main stream sites? Where was it reported? Did the BBC come to my door and tell me? No. Why? Because the media is afraid to look islamaphobic.

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Aye, but other than being exposed and reported on almost all main stream sites? Where was it reported? Did the BBC come to my door and tell me? No. Why? Because the media is afraid to look islamaphobic.

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A lot of people still rely on the tea time news for their updates on what's happened.

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A lot of people still rely on the tea time news for their updates on what's happened.

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How many people don't have the Internet? The same people who watch Tommy Robinson videos online can't access Google? Or the BBC?

That seems... Odd.

Also, the BBC can't report on every criminal case at 6 o clock. How long would the news last?

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How many people don't have the Internet? The same people who watch Tommy Robinson videos online can't access Google? Or the BBC?

That seems... Odd.

Also, the BBC can't report on every criminal case at 6 o clock. How long would the news last?

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I know people who can't be bothered, don't have the time and loads of other reasons for not reading online news. The country is full of them.

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I know people who can't be bothered, don't have the time and loads of other reasons for not reading online news. The country is full of them.

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So how do they get the latest from yaxley-lennon?

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So how do they get the latest from yaxley-lennon?

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Who knows, maybe from looking at facebook when watching Jeremy Kyle.

Kicked off in Cambridge today, free TR coinciding with Milwall playing Cambridge. Was at the station with my wee girl earlier and the police advised us to get on the train even though I had no ticket, the next train from London was apparently heaving with them.

One thing I'm finding frightening is the amount of people I know who have turned into right wing intolerants via social media.

They're normally guys from a working class background who have served their time, scraped into what they perceive to be middle class and it's like they are pulling up all the drawbridges.

"This is my lot, I've worked hard to get here and socialists are wanting to take it all away. Not being hard enough on immigration means support for Islam which isn't good. After looking at Tommy Robinson and his plight I think that everything British is good and if you don't think like I do then you are unpatriotic".

Personally, I have no time for Islam as I think it's a lot of nonsense but the targeted hatred is getting out of hand. I'm hoping that it's just my circle of "friends" but it seems like it's everywhere now.

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One thing I'm finding frightening is the amount of people I know who have turned into right wing intolerants via social media.

They're normally guys from a working class background who have served their time, scraped into what they perceive to be middle class and it's like they are pulling up all the drawbridges.

"This is my lot, I've worked hard to get here and socialists are wanting to take it all away. Not being hard enough on immigration means support for Islam which isn't good. After looking at Tommy Robinson and his plight I think that everything British is good and if you don't think like I do then you are unpatriotic".

Personally, I have no time for Islam as I think it's a lot of nonsense but the targeted hatred is getting out of hand. I'm hoping that it's just my circle of "friends" but it seems like it's everywhere now.

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This is an interesting post and one that resonates in the current social environment.

I think some of what you observe is a reaction to the constant left wing (London Bubble) narrative that currently dominates the main stream media outlets. Social media and YouTube is pretty much the only place where you will find any kind of 'right wing' discussion going without the presenters or commentators shouting it down and labeling it the far right.

From that point you then you get people like Tommy Robinson stepping in to fill in that gap of discussion. I think Tommy Robinson is a Zionist shill put in place and given a platform to scapegoat Islam and keep the people's eyes away from Israel's involvement with mass immigration into Europe from the middle east and north africa.

The average working class man see's no benefit to his environment from mass immigration, he see's crime going up, towns and cities being segregated along ethic lines, demographic of city's and towns changing rapidly and the resulting white flight from these areas. A lot of the working class peoples experience of mass immigration are far removed from the Liberal elites of London and its not often a positive experience. So they take to social media to complain.

It works both ways though, people on the far left will chant slogans such as i love refugees. Well how can you love refugees? They are not all the same, not one big block of people who think and act the same way. There are good and bad in all groups of people and saying i love all or i hate all is no good.

And i think that is the problem, a disconnect between ideology and reality from both sides.

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This is an interesting post and one that resonates in the current social environment.

I think some of what you observe is a reaction to the constant left wing (London Bubble) narrative that currently dominates the main stream media outlets. Social media and YouTube is pretty much the only place where you will find any kind of 'right wing' discussion going without the presenters or commentators shouting it down and labeling it the far right.

From that point you then you get people like Tommy Robinson stepping in to fill in that gap of discussion. I think Tommy Robinson is a Zionist shill put in place and given a platform to scapegoat Islam and keep the people's eyes away from Israel's involvement with mass immigration into Europe from the middle east and north africa.

The average working class man see's no benefit to his environment from mass immigration, he see's crime going up, towns and cities being segregated along ethic lines, demographic of city's and towns changing rapidly and the resulting white flight from these areas. A lot of the working class peoples experience of mass immigration are far removed from the Liberal elites of London and its not often a positive experience. So they take to social media to complain.

It works both ways though, people on the far left will chant slogans such as i love refugees. Well how can you love refugees? They are not all the same, not one big block of people who think and act the same way. There are good and bad in all groups of people and saying i love all or i hate all is no good.

And i think that is the problem, a disconnect between ideology and reality from both sides.

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Sorry, I'm a bit thick and I've always found it hard to work out who the Liberal Elite in London actually is. Does it include elitists like Piers Morgan, and Jacob Rees - Mogg, for example.

Could you help me out by giving me an idea what the term actually means.

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Sorry, I'm a bit thick and I've always found it hard to work out who the Liberal Elite in London actually is. Does it include elitists like Piers Morgan, and Jacob Rees - Mogg, for example.

Could you help me out by giving me an idea what the term actually means.

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Sorry it is a bit vague. Id say the BBC, Channel 4, The lefty champagne socialists, Lily-Allen, Bob Geldoff & pretty much most TV presenters.

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Sorry it is a bit vague. Id say the BBC, Channel 4, The lefty champagne socialists, Lily-Allen, Bob Geldoff & pretty much most TV presenters.

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I'm sorry it's a bit vague too, because that could include just about anybody you don't like.

But, if I avoid those guys, I'll be OK, I take it?

Here's another one I struggle with.

Who is the "average working man" and how would I recognise him in the street?

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One thing I'm finding frightening is the amount of people I know who have turned into right wing intolerants via social media.

They're normally guys from a working class background who have served their time, scraped into what they perceive to be middle class and it's like they are pulling up all the drawbridges.

"This is my lot, I've worked hard to get here and socialists are wanting to take it all away. Not being hard enough on immigration means support for Islam which isn't good. After looking at Tommy Robinson and his plight I think that everything British is good and if you don't think like I do then you are unpatriotic".

Personally, I have no time for Islam as I think it's a lot of nonsense but the targeted hatred is getting out of hand. I'm hoping that it's just my circle of "friends" but it seems like it's everywhere now.

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I agree about your targeted hatred point...on all sides tbh...

This comment on Islam stands out given the rest of your post. Islam is a religion. Is there a slight danger this is a similar option to those you are posting about? intolerant of a faith, rather than those who support extremist views or acts?

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I agree about your targeted hatred point...on all sides tbh...

This comment on Islam stands out given the rest of your post. Islam is a religion. Is there a slight danger this is a similar option to those you are posting about? intolerant of a faith, rather than those who support extremist views or acts?

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I would agree. When it comes to religion, you either are religious or you are not.I don't believe that you can pick or choose which faiths you do or do not like. If you make a judgement which is not knowledge or factually based, then that is surely where sectarianism and racism grow from.

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I'm sorry it's a bit vague too, because that could include just about anybody you don't like.

But, if I avoid those guys, I'll be OK, I take it?

Here's another one I struggle with.

Who is the "average working man" and how would I recognise him in the street?

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It's not that vague I have named who i consider to the the Liberal Elites, you could add Tony Blair and his ilk to the list.

And it depends on your point of view. Id say do not avoid them but engage with them and listen to what they say. Debate them but saying that id guess doing so and having A different view from theirs then you would swiftly be called far right and racist early on in the discussion, so maybe you are right they should be avoided.

I can see why the phrase average working man may mislead you but i was refereing to Pete's post when he dicusses people from working class backgrounds. I was following on from that point. But for me the average working man is a man who works and attends his work. You may or may not find him wearning a uniform, he most likely but not always will be travelling to work Monday to Friday and sometime Saturdays before 9am. He will have a look on his face as if to say I am working today. Do you think you could pick one from the crowd now?

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I would agree. When it comes to religion, you either are religious or you are not.I don't believe that you can pick or choose which faiths you do or do not like. If you make a judgement which is not knowledge or factually based, then that is surely where sectarianism and racism grow from.

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What troubles me about a lot of political ideology is that it makes big assumptions about large groups of people, such as they all face the same struggles, and all think the same way. The lines are then blurred further by making it practically impossible to say who is or isn't in those groups.

To be honest, I think it's all a case of making as many people as possible believe that you are the only one who speaks for them and that everyone else is against them.

Terms like "liberal elite", "zionist antagonists" and "the average working man" are so generic that they can include just about anybody.

It's this lack of tieing politicians and activists down to what they actually mean by throwaway lines like "Save the NHS", that has led to the mess we are in just now with Brexit.

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It's not that vague I have named who i consider to the the Liberal Elites, you could add Tony Blair and his ilk to the list.

And it depends on your point of view but Id say do not avoid them but engage with them and listen to what they say and debate them but with saying that id guess that by doing so and from a view point that is different from theirs then you would swiftly be called far right and racist early on in the discussion, so maybe you are right they should be avoided.

I can see why the phrase average working man may mislead you but i was refereing to Pete's post when he dicusses people from working class backgrounds. I was following on from that point. But for me the average working man is a man who works and attends his work. You may or may not find him wearning a uniform, he most likely but not always will be travelling to work Monday to Friday and sometime Saturdays before 9am. He will have a look on his face as if to say I am working today. Do you think you could pick one from the crowd now?

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An awful lot, if not all of your argument appears to be based on presumption, and quite a large chip on your shoulder, if I'm honest.

So, I know a guy who works and attends his work at RBS where he is a member of the board; he does not wear a uniform (to work anyway, what he does with his leisure time is his business); he travels to work, Monday to Friday, and gets there before 9 am; he definitely has a look on his face, it could even be as if to say "I am working today". Type of thing? Yes, I can pick HIM from the crowd, but surely the point about being "average" is you can't pick someone from the crowd.

It seems to me the real disconnect is with people who talk about constructs like "the working class", "refugees", and "liberal elite". Things that cannot be properly defined by anybody.

You made a point earlier about people tarring all refugees with the same brush, before you go to tar other groups with the same brush. To me the biggest problem with people who are really into politics, is that they try to blame anything other than themselves for their own failure to succeed. Whether it's the right, or the left, or Islamists or Judaists, there's always some group that has been working against them to make them such failures in life.

Then when people point out to them the reality, that they have had every opportunity, living in a developed, wealthy country, to succeed, but just failed to grasp it, due to a sense of privilidge - they cry foul, and call that person all sorts of names.

If that fails, they just start shouting about paedophiles.

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An awful lot, if not all of your argument appears to be based on presumption, and quite a large chip on your shoulder, if I'm honest.

So, I know a guy who works and attends his work at RBS where he is a member of the board; he does not wear a uniform (to work anyway, what he does with his leisure time is his business); he travels to work, Monday to Friday, and gets there before 9 am; he definitely has a look on his face, it could even be as if to say "I am working today". Type of thing? Yes, I can pick HIM from the crowd.

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Ok fair enough but i have looked into who 'Tommy Robinson' is and from that i have the opinion that he is a Zionist double agent. It's not just blind presumption but an opinion after a wee bit research.

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Ok fair enough but i have looked into who 'Tommy Robinson' is and from that i have the opinion that he is a Zionist double agent. It's not just blind presumption but an opinion after a wee bit research.

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That could well be true. Can you point me towards some of your research, so that I can read it and form my own opinion?

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That could well be true. Can you point me towards some of your research, so that I can read it and form my own opinion?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jys7jbVccrU

Johnny Gats stuff is pretty on point.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jys7jbVccrU

Johnny Gats stuff is pretty on point.

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Who is Johnny Gats, and do you have any more "research" you can point me to? Sorry, but that one doesn't look particularly objective.

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Who is Johnny Gats, and do you have any more "research" you can point me to? Sorry, but that one doesn't look particularly objective.

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In that video Tommy Robinson admits he is a Zionist and puts Israel first.

here is a link to various sources exposing 'Tommy Robinson'.

https://www.google.com/search?safe=s...24.UAIdA1VqnZ4

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In that video Tommy Robinson admits he is a Zionist and puts Israel first.

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Thanks, to be honest I have no real interest in Tommy Robinson, and I don't think the video proves anything, but it is interesting to think of him as promoting Zionism, and isn't something I had considered before.

To me, the problem with basing your opinions on what you've read on the internet, is that it is very easy to fall into the trap of only reading the things that agree with what you already thought. Whether your pro or anti cannabis, for or against immigration, or sympathetic or unsympathetic to Trump, it is really easy to fall into silos where one accepted version of the truth prevails and all others are shot down in flames.

To me, one of the tests of any evidence is whether the person presenting it has a particular axe to grind. At the end of the day,, Johnny Gats is somebody I don't know, so it's hard to figure out what his motives were in posting the video.

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Can anyone explain why people like Gary Glitter and his ilk, had no reporting restrictions when they are in court, but these muslim grooming gangs do?

Surely the law should be the same for every religion?

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Glitter was on trial for abusing an underage girl and found not guilty,almost concurrently he was in court charged with downloading child porn,restrictions were in place for both trials so one verdict didn't influence the other,its called getting a fair trial

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Originally Posted by HomeTeam

In that video Tommy Robinson admits he is a Zionist and puts Israel first.

here is a link to various sources exposing 'Tommy Robinson'.

https://www.google.com/search?safe=s...24.UAIdA1VqnZ4

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He claims he is a Zionist, and then defines it in his terms. When the interviewer challenges him on that definition, the video cuts. So we don't get to see his response, and we don't get to see whether he actually does "put Israel first".

I remember reading posts regarding the bin lorry crash in Glasgow,the driver hadn't been named and Britain first,The Knights Templar etc had it as Muslim terrorist attack and were "mobilising"

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He claims he is a Zionist, and then defines it in his terms. When the interviewer challenges him on that definition, the video cuts. So we don't get to see his response, and we don't get to see whether he actually does "put Israel first".

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Sure he does not say it in those words he just repeats he believes in a homeland for Jewish people. I do think he is clever/sly enough to know not to say that on camera that he puts Israel first and in those words. Instead he keeps repeating his right for jewish homeland statement.

His ties to the Rothchild family should raise a few eye brows?

It is open to interpretation but when you look at the rise of 'Tommy Robinson' from being a football thug to the mainstream celebrity status that he has now indicates he has backing from someone and that he is more than likely an agent of a faction within Israel.

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Ok fair enough but i have looked into who 'Tommy Robinson' is and from that i have the opinion that he is a Zionist double agent. It's not just blind presumption but an opinion after a wee bit research.

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Nah, he’s just a jumped-up, no-mark, racist little bellend.

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Nah, he’s just a jumped-up, no-mark, racist little bellend.

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He also is the go to man (slight exaggeration) for the BBC and other TV channels when discussing Islam. It's bit strange that a 'racist' football thug get this kind of platform, they don't usually.

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Sorry it is a bit vague. Id say the BBC, Channel 4, The lefty champagne socialists, Lily-Allen, Bob Geldoff & pretty much most TV presenters.

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I'm struggling with the idea that we are influenced by Bob Geldof.

I got it more than thirty years ago when LiveAid happened. I can understand he had an influence before that with the Boomtown Rats. I'm not sure what substantive influence he has had since then?

Also, who are these 'lefty champagne socialists' and on what basis do they form a 'liberal elite'? Explain your workings rather than sloganising.

ok, spot the hibby at this anti-SDL protest

http://www.thenational.scot/news/163...sgow/#gallery0

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He also is the go to man (slight exaggeration) for the BBC and other TV channels when discussing Islam. It's bit strange that a 'racist' football thug get this kind of platform, they don't usually.

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He's not really at all though is he. In any case, I don't trust the BBC to always go to the most informative or impartial views on political subjects.

He is a racist (ex?) football thug. I don't know how anyone could deny that, whether they agree with his views or not.

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Sure he does not say it in those words he just repeats he believes in a homeland for Jewish people. I do think he is clever/sly enough to know not to say that on camera that he puts Israel first and in those words. Instead he keeps repeating his right for jewish homeland statement.

His ties to the Rothchild family should raise a few eye brows?

It is open to interpretation but when you look at the rise of 'Tommy Robinson' from being a football thug to the mainstream celebrity status that he has now indicates he has backing from someone and that he is more than likely an agent of a faction within Israel.

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please tell me you are kidding with all this? he is no more an agent of a faction within israel than i am, he is a jumped up ned who got publicity for being a racist and a football hooligan

Anyone know why he changed his name? Something to do with football hooliganism?

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Anyone know why he changed his name? Something to do with football hooliganism?

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Maybe Paul Harris is his real name.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...l?guccounter=1

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Anyone know why he changed his name? Something to do with football hooliganism?

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im sure he claimed he changed it to stop threats against him

I assumed it was to make him sound more working class. A double-barrelled name like Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon probably doesn't resonate as well in poorer areas.

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I assumed it was to make him sound more working class. A double-barrelled name like Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon probably doesn't resonate as well in poorer areas.

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For me that's a tell tale sign, could he have picked a name more working class than good ol Tommy Robinson? Nope. Agent Tommy Robinson!

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please tell me you are kidding with all this? he is no more an agent of a faction within israel than i am, he is a jumped up ned who got publicity for being a racist and a football hooligan

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He has admitted he is a Zionest, you could argue by doing so he already represents a faction within Israel.

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He has admitted he is a Zionest, you could argue by doing so he already represents a faction within Israel.

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I'm giggling at the thought of Mossad agents identifying themselves to others with a badge that says " I am a Zionist".

In TR's case, he should also have a badge that says " don't know what I want, but I know how to get it." [emoji16]

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I'm struggling with the idea that we are influenced by Bob Geldof.

I got it more than thirty years ago when LiveAid happened. I can understand he had an influence before that with the Boomtown Rats. I'm not sure what substantive influence he has had since then?

Also, who are these 'lefty champagne socialists' and on what basis do they form a 'liberal elite'? Explain your workings rather than sloganising.

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He did organise the G8 Make Poverty History stuff, his lasting legacy is Bono with that hand clapping regime, and Pink Floyd's last ever gig. Other than that the man has contributed hee haw by leaving a bigger mess than he walked into.

It's ironic who ends up with the saint status, and who is overlooked. John Lydon took pelters for criticising BG in 1984, pointing out that the was going over the head of more organised charities. Likewise, it was he that announced on air that Saville was a paedophile, and ended up banned by the BBC for many years.

I think the point I'm trying to make is people need to look beyond the headline grabbing face, and work out what is really going on. And, it's a tragedy that was the last time we saw the Floyd together.

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He did organise the G8 Make Poverty History stuff, his lasting legacy is Bono with that hand clapping regime, and Pink Floyd's last ever gig. Other than that the man has contributed hee haw by leaving a bigger mess than he walked into.

It's ironic who ends up with the saint status, and who is overlooked. John Lydon took pelters for criticising BG in 1984, pointing out that the was going over the head of more organised charities. Likewise, it was he that announced on air that Saville was a paedophile, and ended up banned by the BBC for many years.

I think the point I'm trying to make is people need to look beyond the headline grabbing face, and work out what is really going on. And, it's a tragedy that was the last time we saw the Floyd together.

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Bob Geldoff was sailing down the Thames telling Fishermen to **** off!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/lo...the-referendum

What has he said that is racist?

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Bob Geldoff was sailing down the Thames telling Fishermen to **** off!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/lo...the-referendum

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He really made a fool of himself with that one.

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This is an interesting post and one that resonates in the current social environment.

I think some of what you observe is a reaction to the constant left wing (London Bubble) narrative that currently dominates the main stream media outlets. Social media and YouTube is pretty much the only place where you will find any kind of 'right wing' discussion going without the presenters or commentators shouting it down and labeling it the far right.

From that point you then you get people like Tommy Robinson stepping in to fill in that gap of discussion. I think Tommy Robinson is a Zionist shill put in place and given a platform to scapegoat Islam and keep the people's eyes away from Israel's involvement with mass immigration into Europe from the middle east and north africa.

The average working class man see's no benefit to his environment from mass immigration, he see's crime going up, towns and cities being segregated along ethic lines, demographic of city's and towns changing rapidly and the resulting white flight from these areas. A lot of the working class peoples experience of mass immigration are far removed from the Liberal elites of London and its not often a positive experience. So they take to social media to complain.

It works both ways though, people on the far left will chant slogans such as i love refugees. Well how can you love refugees? They are not all the same, not one big block of people who think and act the same way. There are good and bad in all groups of people and saying i love all or i hate all is no good.

And i think that is the problem, a disconnect between ideology and reality from both sides.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jys7jbVccrU

Johnny Gats stuff is pretty on point.

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So what Home Team is involved in here is an intra-fascist squabble between those who have dropped (or probably more accurately, pretended to drop) anti-Semitism in favour of Islamophobia and a pivot towards Israel and those, like his bud Johnny Gats, who are still sticking staunchly to Jew-hatred.

What are the forum rules on promoting the work of anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists and Holocaust deniers, by the way?

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So what Home Team is involved in here is an intra-fascist squabble between those who have dropped (or probably more accurately, pretended to drop) anti-Semitism in favour of Islamophobia and a pivot towards Israel and those, like his bud Johnny Gats, who are still sticking staunchly to Jew-hatred.

What are the forum rules on promoting the work of anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists and Holocaust deniers, by the way?

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That's a good question, Scouse.

I don't imagine when the site was set up to discuss Hibs that the thought really occurred to anyone that we'd have users moronic enough to get involved in promoting that sort of *****.

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What has he said that is racist?

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Is that a serious question? Or are you on another of your trolling trips?

At the end of the day, everybody should be free to express their opinions, and everybody should be free to show them up for what they are.

Where do we get without debate?

If you want to know who controls you, find out who you are not allowed to criticise.

Personally, I find the utterings of extremists, when they think they are being reasonable and informed, to be extremely amusing. Kind of humanises them.

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Is that a serious question? Or are you on another of your trolling trips?

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Perhaps you could answer the mans question or do you have nothing to counter his post?

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Perhaps you could answer the mans question or do you have nothing to counter his post?

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https://resistinghate.org/tommy-robinson-and-his-hate-tweets/


This was the first hit on Google.

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Perhaps you could answer the mans question or do you have nothing to counter his post?

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OK.

“I'd personally send every adult male Muslim that has come into the EU over the past 12 months back if I could. Fake refugees.”
“Islam is fascist and it's violent and we've had enough.”
“Every single Muslim watching this…on 7/7 you got away with killing and maiming British citizens, you had better understand that we have built a network from one end of the country to the other end…and the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defence League if we see any of our British citizens killed, maimed, or hurt on British soil ever again.”

I also think he is a very clever guy. His leadership and speeches nearly always can be turned into a quasi-liberal stance, while the clear message and those espoused by the EDL are in anyones analysis racist as hell.

Further, his rhetoric against Islam as a whole takes away the focus on some real issues with Islam in detail - women's rights, "rape-gangs", radicalisation etc. Defending Tommy Robinson as as some kind of working class hero gives him and his followers an entirely undeserved legitimacy.

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OK.

“I'd personally send every adult male Muslim that has come into the EU over the past 12 months back if I could. Fake refugees.”
“Islam is fascist and it's violent and we've had enough.”
“Every single Muslim watching this…on 7/7 you got away with killing and maiming British citizens, you had better understand that we have built a network from one end of the country to the other end…and the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defence League if we see any of our British citizens killed, maimed, or hurt on British soil ever again.”

I also think he is a very clever guy. His leadership and speeches nearly always can be turned into a quasi-liberal stance, while the clear message and those espoused by the EDL are in anyones analysis racist as hell.

Further, his rhetoric against Islam as a whole takes away the focus on some real issues with Islam in detail - women's rights, "rape-gangs", radicalisation etc. Defending Tommy Robinson as as some kind of working class hero gives him and his followers an entirely undeserved legitimacy.

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Ok could you not have just said that to begin with instead of trying to be a wideo?

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Ok could you not have just said that to begin with instead of trying to be a wideo?

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Wideo?
Nice retro insult.
Anyway, no, the post warranted a query as (a) he/she is something of a troll and (b) it was a question of profound stupidity

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Wideo?
Nice retro insult.
Anyway, no, the post warranted a query as (a) he/she is something of a troll and (b) it was a question of profound stupidity

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Wideo killed the wadio star, no?

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Wideo?
Nice retro insult.
Anyway, no, the post warranted a query as (a) he/she is something of a troll and (b) it was a question of profound stupidity

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If you believe him to be a troll then why give him the attention he craves?

The whole argument about Robinson being a racist or otherwise is somewhat irrelevant.

He’s one of those obsessive single issue punters and they almost always display a fair level of prejudice and/or can be proven to be hypocrites to varying extents.

Robinson ‘exposes’ paedophile gangs but the gangs he chooses to investigate and expose are exclusively Muslim. There’s been ongoing investigations for years into pretty sophisticated online paedophile communities containing individuals of various ethnicities and religious beliefs yet I can’t recall him reporting on this. He condemns Muslim violence, admittedly pretty horrific violence, but threatens retaliatory violence and has been involved in violence throughout much of his adult life. Robinson is anti immigration but despite the fact the largest foreign born groups living in the UK include people from Ireland, Germany, the USA, Jamaica, South Africa, Kenya, Australia, Italy, Hong Kong and France he focuses almost exclusively on those from the Indian subcontinent and the Middle East who’s familial or personal religious belief is that of Islam. I can’t recall him rallying against the religious extremism propagated by an organisation such as Catholic Truth who published an article on the horror of child abuse within the Church but dismissed the problem because the victims were all ‘post pubescent boys’ so it ‘isn’t really a paedophile scandal’ and real problem is ‘gay Priests’. Radio silence. I wonder if we would have heard comment from him had an extremist Muslim group written similar?

The strange thing about him is he almost drifts into counter arguing himself at times, here’s a couple of quotes from him:

‘For me, the government’s worse than extremist Muslims. Look at our foreign policy, look at what we’ve done to Libya, look at Iraq. It was an illegal war. Look at Syria – I think we should have ****ing left it alone. When they invaded those countries and killed those innocent people, we – the people of this town – faced the backlash when people were radicalised.

‘A lot of people know what the state’s up to. The state radicalised Jihadi John. If I was Muslim and I was treated the way some Muslims are treated by the government, I’d ****ing join Isis.’

That to me suggests he understand that the extreme, radical, call it what you will version of Islam isn’t an inherent trait of the religion or it’s followers but rather a reaction to ill thought out geopolitics by disenfranchised and angry young people, arguably not too dissimilar to many of the people attracted to himself or his movements.

I struggle to decide if he’s a clever guy confused and blinded by his own prejudices or just an angry loudmouth who’s scattergun approach means he contradicts himself.

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If you believe him to be a troll then why give him the attention he craves?

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I think I've seen this wideo before.....

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Wideo killed the wadio star, no?

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I know this is meant to be a serious thread about a serious matter but i laughed.

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If you believe him to be a troll then why give him the attention he craves?

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A misplaced sense of hope.

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Wideo killed the wadio star, no?

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The mind Buggles!

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The mind Buggles!

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Yes!!!

Seriously though I am genuinely gobsmacked at some of the apologist pish on here but I will always defend the right for people to post.

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So what Home Team is involved in here is an intra-fascist squabble between those who have dropped (or probably more accurately, pretended to drop) anti-Semitism in favour of Islamophobia and a pivot towards Israel and those, like his bud Johnny Gats, who are still sticking staunchly to Jew-hatred.

What are the forum rules on promoting the work of anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists and Holocaust deniers, by the way?

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I think you are being a little melodramatic here. I'm hardly involved with an intra-fascist squabble, I'm merely an observer. Granted I may have jumped the gun with calling Johnny Gats stuff being on point, I don't really know if it is. But for me 'Tommy Robinson' ticks all the boxes for an agent provocateur and his video on Tommy held similar views.

As for all the jew hatred well I don't agree with that at all, I have already stated that there are good and bad in all groups of people and that will include jews, Christians, muslim's etc etc

I look at the world like how a man would observe ants working and serving their queen. I'm just observing and passing comment on what I see.