Tommy Robinson

[Chic Murray]

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This is an interesting post and one that resonates in the current social environment.

I think some of what you observe is a reaction to the constant left wing (London Bubble) narrative that currently dominates the main stream media outlets. Social media and YouTube is pretty much the only place where you will find any kind of 'right wing' discussion going without the presenters or commentators shouting it down and labeling it the far right.

From that point you then you get people like Tommy Robinson stepping in to fill in that gap of discussion. I think Tommy Robinson is a Zionist shill put in place and given a platform to scapegoat Islam and keep the people's eyes away from Israel's involvement with mass immigration into Europe from the middle east and north africa.

The average working class man see's no benefit to his environment from mass immigration, he see's crime going up, towns and cities being segregated along ethic lines, demographic of city's and towns changing rapidly and the resulting white flight from these areas. A lot of the working class peoples experience of mass immigration are far removed from the Liberal elites of London and its not often a positive experience. So they take to social media to complain.

It works both ways though, people on the far left will chant slogans such as i love refugees. Well how can you love refugees? They are not all the same, not one big block of people who think and act the same way. There are good and bad in all groups of people and saying i love all or i hate all is no good.

And i think that is the problem, a disconnect between ideology and reality from both sides.

Sorry, I'm a bit thick and I've always found it hard to work out who the Liberal Elite in London actually is. Does it include elitists like Piers Morgan, and Jacob Rees - Mogg, for example.

Could you help me out by giving me an idea what the term actually means.

[Slavers]

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Sorry, I'm a bit thick and I've always found it hard to work out who the Liberal Elite in London actually is. Does it include elitists like Piers Morgan, and Jacob Rees - Mogg, for example.

Could you help me out by giving me an idea what the term actually means.

Sorry it is a bit vague. Id say the BBC, Channel 4, The lefty champagne socialists, Lily-Allen, Bob Geldoff & pretty much most TV presenters.

[Chic Murray]

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Sorry it is a bit vague. Id say the BBC, Channel 4, The lefty champagne socialists, Lily-Allen, Bob Geldoff & pretty much most TV presenters.

I'm sorry it's a bit vague too, because that could include just about anybody you don't like.

But, if I avoid those guys, I'll be OK, I take it?

Here's another one I struggle with.

Who is the "average working man" and how would I recognise him in the street?

[Slavers]

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I'm sorry it's a bit vague too, because that could include just about anybody you don't like.

But, if I avoid those guys, I'll be OK, I take it?

Here's another one I struggle with.

Who is the "average working man" and how would I recognise him in the street?

It's not that vague I have named who i consider to the the Liberal Elites, you could add Tony Blair and his ilk to the list.

And it depends on your point of view. Id say do not avoid them but engage with them and listen to what they say. Debate them but saying that id guess doing so and having A different view from theirs then you would swiftly be called far right and racist early on in the discussion, so maybe you are right they should be avoided.

I can see why the phrase average working man may mislead you but i was refereing to Pete's post when he dicusses people from working class backgrounds. I was following on from that point. But for me the average working man is a man who works and attends his work. You may or may not find him wearning a uniform, he most likely but not always will be travelling to work Monday to Friday and sometime Saturdays before 9am. He will have a look on his face as if to say I am working today. Do you think you could pick one from the crowd now?

[Chic Murray]

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It's not that vague I have named who i consider to the the Liberal Elites, you could add Tony Blair and his ilk to the list.

And it depends on your point of view but Id say do not avoid them but engage with them and listen to what they say and debate them but with saying that id guess that by doing so and from a view point that is different from theirs then you would swiftly be called far right and racist early on in the discussion, so maybe you are right they should be avoided.

I can see why the phrase average working man may mislead you but i was refereing to Pete's post when he dicusses people from working class backgrounds. I was following on from that point. But for me the average working man is a man who works and attends his work. You may or may not find him wearning a uniform, he most likely but not always will be travelling to work Monday to Friday and sometime Saturdays before 9am. He will have a look on his face as if to say I am working today. Do you think you could pick one from the crowd now?

An awful lot, if not all of your argument appears to be based on presumption, and quite a large chip on your shoulder, if I'm honest.

So, I know a guy who works and attends his work at RBS where he is a member of the board; he does not wear a uniform (to work anyway, what he does with his leisure time is his business); he travels to work, Monday to Friday, and gets there before 9 am; he definitely has a look on his face, it could even be as if to say "I am working today". Type of thing? Yes, I can pick HIM from the crowd, but surely the point about being "average" is you can't pick someone from the crowd.

It seems to me the real disconnect is with people who talk about constructs like "the working class", "refugees", and "liberal elite". Things that cannot be properly defined by anybody.

You made a point earlier about people tarring all refugees with the same brush, before you go to tar other groups with the same brush. To me the biggest problem with people who are really into politics, is that they try to blame anything other than themselves for their own failure to succeed. Whether it's the right, or the left, or Islamists or Judaists, there's always some group that has been working against them to make them such failures in life.

Then when people point out to them the reality, that they have had every opportunity, living in a developed, wealthy country, to succeed, but just failed to grasp it, due to a sense of privilidge - they cry foul, and call that person all sorts of names.

If that fails, they just start shouting about paedophiles.

[Slavers]

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An awful lot, if not all of your argument appears to be based on presumption, and quite a large chip on your shoulder, if I'm honest.

So, I know a guy who works and attends his work at RBS where he is a member of the board; he does not wear a uniform (to work anyway, what he does with his leisure time is his business); he travels to work, Monday to Friday, and gets there before 9 am; he definitely has a look on his face, it could even be as if to say "I am working today". Type of thing? Yes, I can pick HIM from the crowd.

Ok fair enough but i have looked into who 'Tommy Robinson' is and from that i have the opinion that he is a Zionist double agent. It's not just blind presumption but an opinion after a wee bit research.

[Chic Murray]

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Ok fair enough but i have looked into who 'Tommy Robinson' is and from that i have the opinion that he is a Zionist double agent. It's not just blind presumption but an opinion after a wee bit research.

That could well be true. Can you point me towards some of your research, so that I can read it and form my own opinion?

[WeeRussell]

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Ok fair enough but i have looked into who 'Tommy Robinson' is and from that i have the opinion that he is a Zionist double agent. It's not just blind presumption but an opinion after a wee bit research.

Nah, he’s just a jumped-up, no-mark, racist little bellend.

[Mibbes Aye]

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Sorry it is a bit vague. Id say the BBC, Channel 4, The lefty champagne socialists, Lily-Allen, Bob Geldoff & pretty much most TV presenters.

I'm struggling with the idea that we are influenced by Bob Geldof.

I got it more than thirty years ago when LiveAid happened. I can understand he had an influence before that with the Boomtown Rats. I'm not sure what substantive influence he has had since then?

Also, who are these 'lefty champagne socialists' and on what basis do they form a 'liberal elite'? Explain your workings rather than sloganising.

[cabbageandribs1875]

ok, spot the hibby at this anti-SDL protest

http://www.thenational.scot/news/163...sgow/#gallery0

[Chic Murray]

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I'm struggling with the idea that we are influenced by Bob Geldof.

I got it more than thirty years ago when LiveAid happened. I can understand he had an influence before that with the Boomtown Rats. I'm not sure what substantive influence he has had since then?

Also, who are these 'lefty champagne socialists' and on what basis do they form a 'liberal elite'? Explain your workings rather than sloganising.

He did organise the G8 Make Poverty History stuff, his lasting legacy is Bono with that hand clapping regime, and Pink Floyd's last ever gig. Other than that the man has contributed hee haw by leaving a bigger mess than he walked into.

It's ironic who ends up with the saint status, and who is overlooked. John Lydon took pelters for criticising BG in 1984, pointing out that the was going over the head of more organised charities. Likewise, it was he that announced on air that Saville was a paedophile, and ended up banned by the BBC for many years.

I think the point I'm trying to make is people need to look beyond the headline grabbing face, and work out what is really going on. And, it's a tragedy that was the last time we saw the Floyd together.

[Slavers]

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He did organise the G8 Make Poverty History stuff, his lasting legacy is Bono with that hand clapping regime, and Pink Floyd's last ever gig. Other than that the man has contributed hee haw by leaving a bigger mess than he walked into.

It's ironic who ends up with the saint status, and who is overlooked. John Lydon took pelters for criticising BG in 1984, pointing out that the was going over the head of more organised charities. Likewise, it was he that announced on air that Saville was a paedophile, and ended up banned by the BBC for many years.

I think the point I'm trying to make is people need to look beyond the headline grabbing face, and work out what is really going on. And, it's a tragedy that was the last time we saw the Floyd together.

Bob Geldoff was sailing down the Thames telling Fishermen to **** off!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/lo...the-referendum

[Chic Murray]

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Bob Geldoff was sailing down the Thames telling Fishermen to **** off!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/lo...the-referendum

He really made a fool of himself with that one.