All is forgiven if Spain win on Sunday.Quote:
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All is forgiven if Spain win on Sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by LewysGot2
Yeah, with the help of the officials.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Wonder if Southgate is brave enough to change the striker for the final?
I like Kane as a player here but he has flattered to deceive a bit this tournament. He doesn't score a goal like that based on what he has shown thus far.
Scandalous refereeing . McCoist sickening. Cmon 🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸
I can't believe they never kicked off. Just accepted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
Even at the end of the game.
Sickening? LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby
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I seen this bloke talking to the ref just before the game btw
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This. For me Kane as a weight on that English teams shoulders. Don’t bother with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
LTEP, you’re scouse anyway, no English! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee
Their play acting is absolutely embarrassing. Foden Saka Bellingham Kane absolutely ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
The ref has the same accountant as Harry Redknapp’s Dog
Watkins is far more mobile and makes runs that pullsdefenders out of position,Kane looks like he is towing a caravan in comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Refereeing was terrible. That corner to England numerous soft fouls. Blatant yellows ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
They have a grit and a resilience about them this England side. OK, they've arguably had an easier draw, they benefited from a pretty outrageous penalty decision tonight, but they deserved their win IMO.
Be interesting to see how they deal with what has been an impressive Spanish side - but there's quality in both teams. I just hope it doesn't become a tactical snorefest.
Dodgy penalty and they score the second 2 minutes after the ref gives them a dodgy free kick when Holland are on the counter.
Absolute joke of a ref.
Spain will easily beat them.it will end in tears 😁
Rodri will ragdoll Rice as per usual and Yamal will destroy a half fit Shaw.
Pretty funny that after Scotland fans loving to hate Spain, drinking ‘Rodri’s tears’ etc. that now we find ourselves desperate to see Spain win the tournament 😂
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Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee
Not exactly a surprise England reaching the final. It’s a talented team - yes they under performed for a few games but they have some quality players.
Euro 2028 will also have England doing well as they are one of the host countries - plus younger players will have even more experience.
The final will be 50/50 - Spain will have majority possession but England have players who can hurt Spain.
I'm no England fan but I fancied them to win this, got the correct score too at 9/1, so not all bad!
I now have to endure a few days of my English wife remembering she likes football once every 2 years when England are doing well.
Thankfully my daughter who wanted to support mummy in the last final just asked if she can wear the Spain strip she bought on holiday on Sunday. No divided loyalties this time. That's my girl.
Who'd have thought Watkins would be scoring at ER at the start of the season and after 11 long months finishing it with that?
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Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee
England are the chosen ones, UEFA have ordained it. Destined to be the poorest team ever to win a major international trophy.
He won’t admit it but Kane definitely not 100% fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbhibby
He missed last few weeks of season with an injury and there were doubts if he could play.
No chance, Kane will play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Got the rub of the green tonight with the pen but I think the better team won, England improving every game, Spain will do them though.
Does Southgate have the bottle to drop Kane for Watkins?
Anyone able to explain why the defender follows Watkins there and doesn’t let him drift offside?
Greece in 2004 would run them close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
Was thinking the same - silly to follow up so far behind the defensive lineQuote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
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Serial winner Harry better play 🤣
I put £20 on before the tournament started. Insurance bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Booked4Being-Ugly
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Portugal won euro 2016 - finishing 3rd in group - not winning a group game and only beating Wales in normal time. Every other game was extra time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
Spain were great last night, but were a fair bit aided by France being rotten off the ball. Have a wee fear England will be the match of them in that sense, and pretty rare for a team to win every game at a tournament...
We can all hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by erin go bragh
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He definitely needs to block the shotQuote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
England have every chance to win that is for sureQuote:
Originally Posted by Broken Gnome
Greece as well basically defended their way to the trophyQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenCastle
Pleased for Southgate. He takes a stack of flack but his record is outstanding. Successive Euro finals is some achievement considering England hadn't been in a final since 66.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee
No problem with England winning either. I don't have an issue with them the way I do with Hearts. They seem a decent enough bunch and while I'm unlikely to watch the final I'd prefer them to win than Spain as I know how much it would mean to a lot of English friends and relatives.
I thought that the Dutch were absolutely awful - only Gakpo seemed to be their spark.
England haven’t played well or come up against a good team never mind an excellent team (like Spain) yet so it will be interesting to see how they cope with them.
Could be a decent final if England avoid being dull.
The irony here is England might play really well, have no luck and get gubbed.
You can't just let him run through and score unchallenged, was nowhere near offsideQuote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Holland were so so poor tonight, standing off and not pressing, allowing England freedom of the wide areas and playing narrow, I’m just surprised it was 1-1 for so long. Foden and Saka are class but if you play with lead boots and deep you get what you deserve - England deserved that tonight but were helped by an awful and negative Dutch side.
You love this decent 😄 enough bunch lineQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Bellingham after Zwayer didn't give an obvious penalty to Dortmund against Bayern causing the game to be halted and Zwayer to take a break from football in 2021
"Jude Bellingham made reference to the Zwayer affair, saying: "You give a referee that has match fixed before the biggest game in Germany, what do you expect?"
Think the second half was very even to be honestQuote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
Nope, internationally England are like Hearts to me. Couldn’t abide them winning the Cup, etc either. They are our oldest local rivals.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Not to mention the media. The chunt fans. My mates down here. My wife jumping on the bandwagon.
Couldn’t bear it.
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England have best squad - i have no doubt in that. But in common with the top teams a lot of their top stars have looked knackered.
Along with how Var is being used (not the technology in its self) the amount of games the top players are being asked to play is ridiculous and leading to a poorer product. playing for 11 months of 50-65 games for some just leads to what we have seen often in these games.
won't change as money talks... and now with FIFA pushing its world club championship it will get even worse
That includes the euros, world cup, Copa America and afcon. I guess the Asia cup too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
So England wouldn't make the top 20 worst teams.
The World Cup will always be the big one..
Winning the Euros would obviously be massive for England but the World Cup is different level especially outside England.
England men like the women’s team have invested huge amounts of money into the set up so wouldn’t be a total surprise.
Meanwhile Scotland are stuck with Che Adams who wouldn’t even get into England B team.
Scottish football will never fully progress till the SFA changes.
Next World Cup is even bigger = possibly more boring games as teams doing just enough to get into next rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Up-the-slope
I can’t understand why the UEFA officials, corruptly, awarded that penalty to England, a country which doesn’t want to be a part of Europe. I could have understood it, but not agreed with it, if the shoe was on the other foot and they had awarded one like that to the Netherlands. In my opinion, it is one of the worst VAR decisions I have seen, in its short, controversial, corrupt existence. For some intangible reason, England’s name is already inscribed on the cup.
Yeh, international football doesn't do it for me these days (although I did quite enjoy watching the recent women's Euros and World Cup with my daughter) so I can't claim to have watched the games, but on paper I find it hard to see anything objectionable about the players or manager compared to England sides of yesteryear.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Was a penalty for me, no difference to one we got v Hearts when Hanlon nipped it off the Hearts strikers toes - was a very ill timed challenge with his foot up and nowhere near the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Agree, where was the driven, determined side that beat the Turks ? What was the point ?Quote:
Originally Posted by scm70nyd1973
Saying that, have seen plenty 50/50 Hibs games where ridiculous key decisions have determined the flow and outcome.
A decent bunch aye? If you set aside all the serial diving they've been getting away with.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
yup good point that only adds to what I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenCastle
I guess the way Pep rotates is one example of how to refresh a team - but he has expressed frustration many times saying players are human and the week in week out 2 games a week - tv scheduling like 12.30 away saturday etc just insane after midweek games that might have been away.
The first game in EPL is 16th August 4 1/2 weeks after Euros final
You and Ian Wright are the only two I've seen saying that. All other commentators are rightly saying it's a joke. The shot is taken kane follows through. As a defender you'd just have to step out the way if someone is shooting just in case they follow through and kick you. Well played Nevil calling it a disgraceQuote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
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Originally Posted by Jim44
������ ffs are you being serious with that first line?
Meanwhile, Joe Bloggs has done his 14th 12 hour shift in a row.Quote:
Originally Posted by Up-the-slope
It’s a hard life
Don't remember the Hanlon incident you're referring to. What year was that?Quote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
The defender is nowhere near the ball and hangs his foot up and catches Kane immediately the shot is taken - didn’t see the defender complaining either which is always a tell tale sign he knew it was misjudged.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
1-1, McNulty missed the penaltyQuote:
Originally Posted by FastEddieFelson
The fact only ian Wright thought it was a penalty out of all the pundits, presenters, commentators and VAR experts must tell you otherwise?Quote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
Harry kane kicks him with his follow through.
In addition, after being booked, Bellingham commits 2 foils (one was at least a yellow) and kicks the ball away but nothing happens...
Kane catches the Dutch player with his follow through, not the other way about. If that’s a penalty, alongside defenders having to try and defend with their arms unnaturally behind their back anytime they are in the box what’s the point of being a defender nowadays.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
I agree about Bellingham but the defender catches Kane even though the shot goes off - regardless the Dutch tactics were awful, too narrow, defensive and they didn’t look like they had belief - England deserved the win. Much better team on the night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onceinawhile
The defender doesn't make the contract and wouldn't have made contact if Kane didn't kick him. Ex England defenders like Dixon and Neville slatting itQuote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
Jamie Carragher
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Never a penalty 😂😂
Whar about the second line?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Other sports the players play every other day week in week out. Most pros I have spoken to would rather be playing than training. The players playing in the Euros at the later stages will not need much of a pre season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Up-the-slope
Is quite clearly and obviously not a penaltyQuote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
Quite how the VAR decided it clearly and obviously was a penalty is baffling to me and pretty much every pundit - it's a clanger
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Omeonga got away with a very very similar one at Tynie when Souttar got a nick to the ball first - it’s a penalty for me and the Dutch defender didn’t even complain, nor did his captain. His foot hangs nowhere near the ball, I’d always be looking for it if it were me.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Modfather
Very.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Ah yes. Here it isQuote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
https://youtu.be/WxNZT-CmwDc?feature=shared
Would say the two challenges are very different, given Kane is getting a shot away and it's him that initiates the contact.
Still I'm not as certain as some seem to be that tonight's wasn't a penalty... I can see why it was given.
They are completely different as it was Kane that hit Dumfries, waste of my time watching that man ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by FastEddieFelson
To be fair of the 50 or so comments from England fans I've seen on twitter all are saying penalty but they deserved the win, which I agree with.
Seen some amazing Euro and WC finals over the years. EURO 24 has, by comparison, been a borefest.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
It may be fitting that one of the least crappy/luckiest teams stumbles over the line but hopefully Spain (the best team by a distance) will stop that happening.
The difference on Sunday will be Spain have a midfield, tonight Holland didn’t. And a world class midfield too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
Just as some people on here were recovering from election night this happens and the tears have started flowing again lol
Boss let us watch the game if we worked through our breaks, fair play to England, back to back Euros finals and can they win it?
Being born in England, I wouldn't begrudge them the victory on Sunday I do fancy Spain though.
Never a pen!
We’re so bad, the ref is corrupt, worst VAR decision ever. I love this thread 😀🏴
Can’t wait for Sunday when it will either be much the same as above or England were beaten by first decent team they played blah, blah, blah 😂
We are getting really worried up here as the last time England won a trophy there was a Labour government 😁😁Quote:
Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee
That's right. It's the Starmer bounce like Harold won the WC in 66.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbhibby
He was enough of an opportunist to claim some of the credit!
Well mr Scouse Hibby, I am convinced that you will be a happy man on Sunday as Spain are unfortunate enough to be against the team which has been chosen to win. You’re correct. We will all be spouting your former suggestion, if and when they win, but, in my opinion, there is little likelihood of the latter, as England are being offered the tournament on a plate. ****** knows why, as they are piss poor, but they are. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee
What England have going for them is multiple players that can come up with a moment coupled with a lot of spirit and determination. They’ve come from behind in every knockout game but they’ll need to be a hell of a lot better than that to get past Spain.
Obviously a ridiculous penalty decision but do think England deserved to win. Had the better of it.
Shows their depth being able to bring quality like Watkins on.
I had the correct score so got some money back on it, it shouldn't have been a penalty though, and to those who said the defender never complained, well why in that case did the ref feel the need to explain it to him afterwards, which he clearly did. And it's irrelevant if one sides better than the other that doesn't make it the right decision. How many times have we been the better team in derby games and lost or drawn these games.And just out of curiosity, was that the ref who served a six month ban for match fixing?
Incredible that Spain in the final will be the first "elite" team England have faced so far. It's quite bizarre. If they don't win this it's a monumental opportunity missed.
It was indeed the ref who has a match fixing past.Quote:
Originally Posted by ekhibee
Harry Kane bought that pen and the officials fell for it. Disgraceful decision particularly in a game of that magnitude.
England actually played well first half after they went behind. I thought they needed to score at that point though as they’ve played well for 20 minutes or so here and there in this tournament then fallen back into their laboured pattern of play. It then becomes a lottery whether they win or not, even though they’ve managed to come good every time so far.
Re the penalty - I think that might be a foul elsewhere on the pitch therefore a penalty in the box. If an attacker hangs a foot like that when a defender is making a clearance and injures him it’s considered to be a bit naughty so can the same not be applied there in the box? I guess the bit that is frustrating is that on one day it goes one way on another day and for another team it’s something different. First instinct for me though was that it was never a penalty.
Spain have been strong so far and I’ve been sort of waiting for them to run out of puff - often the best team in the tournament get edged out by anti-football and penalties at some point. Hopefully they’ve got one last big performance in them.
The finish by Watkins was ridiculous, such a good player. Given the squad they’ve got it’s really about time they do win a major tournament but let’s hope they are still waiting after Sunday.
Yes, he was banned for six months in 2005 for his part in a match fixing scandal when he was found guilty of accepting a bribe in a Bundesliga match.Quote:
Originally Posted by ekhibee
The German FA tried to cover it up and it only came into the public domain when a German newspaper published a secret file from the German FA several years later.
Quite how he has been allowed to continue refereeing top class games after that is scandalous.
Never said otherwise - my point you missed is that fans are being short changed. Its like saving to see you lifetime favourite band only to find after dozens of tour dates the lead singer has a sore throat and the drummer has lost his zip, and spectacle is downgraded due to fatigueQuote:
Originally Posted by NC1875
I'll be happy for them to win on Sunday just so they shut the **** up about football's coming home and that bloody song.
You really think them winning it will shut them up? If it’s possible they will be even more unbearableQuote:
Originally Posted by J-C
I might be in a minority on here, but I think the two best teams on each side of the draw are in the final. I also think it will be a fascinating game. The fact Spain will attack will suit England and visa versa. The Dutch were more expansive first half and allowed England to play and Mainoo and Foden particulary used that space well. after first hald and half time subs by Koeman they packed the midfield and relied inly on FB's to get forward. England in response went back to pass pass pass across back and midfield with little penetration until the subs (which I reckon were 10 mins late) came on.
Much the better team won. Pen (that was never one in real time and very debatable in freeze frame) aside they hit the post / had ball cleared off the line as well as other clear chances.
right i'm off to wash my mouth out :greengrin
If they win (or probably lose) there will be calls for knighthoods and mbe's. There will be at least a month of fawning going to the obligatory mention every motd.
See previous major tournaments generally......Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
Can only beat what's in front of you, however it's been created.
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Originally Posted by Up-the-slope
Are they really 'piss poor'? They've got a terrific squad and when all's said and done they've reached a second successive Euros final. Must be doing something right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Your final sentence is the thing a ref getting a euros semi final after a match fixing ban a well publicised spat with one of the top players of one of the teams involved kind of beggars belief. Almost SFA levels of incompetent governance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach Jon