Wales seem to be at a very low ebb at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by stokesmessiah
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Wales seem to be at a very low ebb at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by stokesmessiah
dunno why vunipola thinks he was hard done to with even just the yellow, rightly upgraded to a Red though
England look decidedly toothless, I know it’s Ireland and they’re a man down but even still, they’ve just had bugger all going forward from I’ve seen.
They are playing a very bland brand of rugby under Borrhwick. They keep saying they are close to clicking but I really don’t see any signs of it at all!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
England - a team of thugs who seem to think they should repeatedly get away with horrendous hits that endanger opposition players.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
I was genuienly a little surprised it wasn't an on-field red though - was clear as day from the TMO replays it was a red.
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Originally Posted by Sylar
Seen a fair bit of chat online saying the same, a few people suggesting the referee took the easy route of a yellow, knowing someone else would make the call on the red or not.
A few others wondering if the referees have been told to do that, to give the bunker teams a chance to get used to the new process, and speculated whether the World Cup would continue in the same way.
All Blacks v South Africa on Sky Showcase and Sky Sports Mix on Friday night 1930 KO, no Sky Sports subscription required.
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Originally Posted by Sylar
Farrell four-game ban reinstated after appeal, misses first two group games at WC, i didn't realise he's already had five and four game bans in the past and was also let off lightly by a South African referee in one game.
but i have mentioned for several years now that England sides were just big brutes that played unattractive rugby, i can probably go back to saying just that even when they won the WC exactly 20 years ago.
Vunipola banned for three games reduced to two if he attends a coaching programme, will miss the first WC game
I thought the rule was that unless the ref feels he is able to make a definitive red card decision with a certain period of time after play was stopped (60 seconds maybe?) that the ref is required to give a yellow.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
i thought this was a strange ko time for South Africa v New Zealand before realising it was at Twickenham :doh:
South Africa streets ahead here 14-0, had NZ penned back for i think the first 18 mins with NZ giving away penalty after penalty so scott barret finally getting the sin-bin, then on 38 mins given his 2nd sin-bin and therefore a red card, TMO will decide if it stays Red
HT 14-0
SA with their biggest ever win v NZ and their biggest since 1928 FT 37-7
commiserations to the first side they face in the WC
that'll be us unfortunately :(
South Africa completely overpowered them, don't think I've ever witnessed a more disjointed performance from New Zealand.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY
Yeah I thought New Zealand looked very poor, albeit some credit goes to SA for that.
I love watching New Zealand play, but I think the quality of their forwards has been in decline for a few years, which is affecting their set piece abilities and to a lesser degree their breakdown work. That said, their backs are magnificent, Will Jordan is in the conversation for best winger in the world at the moment, Beuden Barrett, Jordy Barrett, Damien Mackenzie is electric (but rarely gets on the pitch for some reason), Rieko Ioane.
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Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY
looks like SA peaking at just the right time
i'm going to watch the England v Fiji game later tonight, hopefully it was a good game :)
Excellent crowds at Murrayfield for these warm-up games. Have they been well priced?
I think so - based on my season pass, it worked out about £30 a game (which includes the 6N games vs England and France).Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Another game of 2 halves today - we were shocking first half, and relentless second half. We cannot start that slowly against the Boks (who looked scary last night).
Ben Healy looks a very decent player.
FT France 41 Australia 17, easy enough
so here we are, the WC begins tonight
France v New Zealand
Really looking forward to this. The draw made years ago has shafted Scotland unfortunately. South Africa or France the winners for me
These anthems are AWFUL.
Cracking game so far. Could go either way but I'd like to see the French win.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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Originally Posted by Jones28
La Marseillaise is arguably the world's greatest anthem. Everything beats God Save the King and Flower of Scotland.
Not sure about the "everything"!Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
But I sort of agree [emoji106]
Italys for me but have always found it a bit odd that teams in whatever sport and line up to a usually particularly crap piece of music apparently reoresenting their country. Im sure if you arrived from out of space youd be thinking wtf are they doing. 😀Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
It’s a toss up between La Marseillaise or Old Land of my Fathers with, the Welsh one just bettering the French one. Such a stirring sound and sight pre game.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Watching this on delay, disappointed by the NZ display, apart from their 2 tries they've been very meh! Scotland had 2 very good ganes against the French recently, look like nothing to fear from these 2 teams.
Yes, the Welsh support in full voice takes some beating.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenlex
Terrific performance by the French. Under a lot of pressure to get off to a good start and they came through a really tough test in a game that was for a long time much closer than the final scoreline might suggest.
FOS at a packed Murrayfield absolutely destroys Hampden.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Fans of other countries regularly comment on it.
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France deserved the win, thought the all blacks looked disjointed and couldn’t get any foothold really. After the defeat to South Africa in the warm ups, you wonder if they’ve lost form at the worst time.
Do referees actually look out for forward passes any more? There were at least 4 obvious ones not called last night, with the NZ 2nd try the worst. How the TMO didn’t give that I don’t know.
Of course despite the fact that it was clearly forward and didn’t reach the player it was intended for ITV’s pundits decided it was a brilliant pass and “absolutely spot on”.
Yep it is brilliant when they stop the music and let the fans sing alone. Very moving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Jimmy
watching Italy/Namibia wtf is going on with these national anthems, laughable
It's not that the anthems themselves are bad, it's this abysmal choral thing they're doing with them. I've never not enjoyed La Marseilles before but last night was painful.
That was a really poor game of rugby - Italy looked good, but so completely imbalanced. Other than take another 3 thumpings, what are Namibia actually going to do?
It'll carry on throughout the tournament. They never learn.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
The anthems are fantastic but they were done terribly.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
What’s the weird singing going on in the background?
I can’t believe you put FOS in the same league as GSTK? Are you ok?
ah well bang goes my Romania +52, huddies
this is what the groups would have been if the draw had been done using common sense just several months ago and not over three years ago
Group A
South Africa
Fiji
Japan
Uruguay
Namibia
Pool B
Ireland
Scotland
Australia
Tonga
Romania
Group C
New Zealand
Argentina
Italy
Georgia
Portugal
Group D
France
England
Wales
Samoa
Chile
yep good work Beaumont :rolleyes: ridiculous doing a draw away back then
i would have fancied us against the Aussies, as it is we have no chance going through and plucky wee England have a great chance of making it right through to the SF, imo
instead we will lose two from New Zealand, France, Ireland, South Africa in the QF, grrrr
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Originally Posted by heretoday
for the Italian one we had the choral singers/whatever, then the players out of sync with them, then the fans out of Sync with both
i'm convinced the Irish players were just miming :)
As national anthems I think they're both slow, dull, depressing dirges. We should have Scotland the Brave instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Argentina's a tough opener for England tonight for all that the draw's relatively favourable to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
what an absolute imbecile that argentinian is, that's a red imo just 10 mins on the clock
brainless fool
that'll teach me for missing the first few minutes to watch the footy masters:greengrin still think the argy will be red as well
Nope!Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Englands is red though.
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Originally Posted by Jones28
i'll need to wait until HT for the replay of the England one
It was a stinker.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Lovely drop goal from Ford.
Wow another! Even better!
another grreat drop goal
england taking the utter p@sh out of this argentian side
argies are all over the place
They’ve lost their composure completely. England will nick a try before half time here.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
english fans desperately wanting a red card for argentina
3 drop goals
they're laughing at you argentina
has this argentina side actually played this game before, they're worse than namibia
they are absolutely awful
Ford with a hat trick of drop goals!
Ford should permanently replace Farrell in the team.
Farrell's an annoying looking sod anyway.
have to laugh really, discipline, un-forced errors, knock-on's/offsides AND an extra player they are absolutely dreadful here
at least give them a game fgs
england don't have to go anywhere near that twenty two to get points
i bet argentinians all around this stadium are raging at this performance
South Africa v Scotland is an easy one
i'm looking forward to a contest between Wales and Fiji
Argentina look awful here, an amateur club side would give them a game
Argentina have been so bad. They notch a try with a minute left. 13 penalties and 13 handling errors.
Very poor Argentina team, normally they have a bit of fight.
Best England performance under Borthwick by a significant distance. Surprised me by how well they controlled that game. Argentina seemed to freeze.
Agree, I've never liked FOS as it really only applies when playing England, plus it's a slow dirge as you say, Scotland the Brave I think used to be it many years ago and it sums up the Scottish people better.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
The commentators are talking complete crap. Just shut up and let's watch the game.
Line outs letting us down. Again.
Poor decisions by Russell and in the lineouts, got to get this sorted or SA will walk away with this game without being tested.
not too disappointed to see etzebeth go off, great player
Started shakily but some excellent stuff from Scotland. Best try opportunity of the half as well. 6-3 half time.
HT 6-3 didn't see this coming :greengrin
Been a bruising first half!!!
Stick on red card ignored brilliant. Think we are getting bent over decision wise.
Enormous decision not to send off Kriel.
Why is Graham not passing the ball with the overlap?
Welsh guy on Tmo
took a while but that's now game
SA step up a gear and game over.
Poor decisions and a poor TMO, SA power now starting to tell.
Can’t win when you’re playing the officials as well as a team this good.
Dreadful officiating.
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Originally Posted by Sylar
Refs let them away with regularly playing the ball on the deck, stick on red not even reviewed, we’ve not played well against an excellent team, but been totally screwed over by the officials
Nailed on that kriel will get a ban after the match, but we don’t get the benefit as we should, pathetic
We didn't lose that game due to the ref.
We just aren’t good enough. They could have gone up another gear too.
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6 line outs lost in their 22, paints a picture.
That’s shocking. Been a long running problem from Scotland under pressure. Every team will be attacking our line out nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
They were the better team, sure. But they should have been down to 14 from about 3 minutes in. They repeatedly got away with playing the ball on the ground at the breakdown with no punishment. I thought we’d have lost before it started (they’re world champions for a reason), but Gardner and Whitehouse made absolutely sure of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Jimmy
Been a bruising first half!!!
I think Russell should have been yellow carded and he only gave a penalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
Refs are poor all the time for Scotland. Its a common theme.
I'm more concerned by the fact we lost 6 line outs in their 22. And we STILL can't hold onto the ball our handling errors kill us. This has never been fixed under GT.
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Wouldn't have minded the opportunity to play against 14 for 77 mins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Jimmy
Agree very poorQuote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Refereeing in the Wales Fiji game very odd imo. Not an expert in rugby rules but jeezo Fiji on Welsh line three cynical penalties no yellow. Fiji then gives away pen yellow immediately out. Get the impression smaller countries get done over imo.
wow a Fiji conversion there would have cost me £120.............pheeeeww
Fiji so unlucky right at the death
Gutted for Fiji, they deserved to beat wales.
The inconsistency in the competition so far has been something to behold but that game certainly felt like an example of awful officiating.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Ref warned Wales about yellow card about three times on their line ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
It was genuinely baffling that Fuji got a card in almost the next phase of play after the last warning. If you’re giving penalties for indiscipline at the breakdown then it should be mandatory last warning and any further infringement is a yellow card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
English referee Mathew Carley getting it tight from some quarters for his performance in the Wales/Fiji game
Fiji told they are owed apology after English referee's "grotesque" decisions vs Wales (msn.com)
Gregor Townsend not too happy with the ref we had either
Frustrated Scotland coach blasts Rugby World Cup refereeing after "inexcusable" decision (msn.com)
it's not too often Rugby referees get it tight
Just as well McInally didn't retire as it turned out.Quote:
Originally Posted by mayo hibee
The refereeing was absolutely ridiculous in the Wales game though. If it was reffed fairly Fiji would have won that with room to spare.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Wouldn't say the same about the Scotland game though, as a neutral I thought that was reffed fairly enough. Scotland were just overpowered on the day.
Agree totally about the Welsh game that genuinely looked bent. The Scotland game no one is saying Scotland should have won however looked a clear red after a couple of minutes which unoubtedly would have changed the game though like England not sure South Africa wouldn't have won with 14 anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by mayo hibee
When's Scotland's next game? Seems ages since we played the Springboks already.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
2 weeks between scotlands first 2 fixtures, so a week on Sunday before we play againQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
No idea why there’s that length of time between matches, similar sized squad for a Lions tour would play twice a week most weeks, and when touring the southern hemisphere or them touring here, they place pretty much every week
If it was a clear red there would have been a citing though. And there has been no citing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
France concede an early try to Uruguay (who have a lovely kit), but normal service rapidly being resumed - even with their B team.
You do recall the Farrell debacle a few weeks ago, aye? World Rugby don't know what a 'clear' red looks like.Quote:
Originally Posted by mayo hibee
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Originally Posted by mayo hibee
the french boy should have had his Yellow upgraded to Red against Uruguay, shoulder to head with no wrap
Ben Whitehouse was the TMO
anyway, wee £10 on a New Zealand win tonight starting at -70 points though i was tempted for a few seconds to stick it on Namibia at +70 :) instead
jings was that the longest Haka ever
Tremendous performance from Fiji to beat Australia.