Hibs transfer rumours

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Originally Posted by Lucius Apuleius

Enough. Just wondering what your statement, that sounded more like a threat that it had BETTER be actually meant and what the consequences of it not being midfielders would be?

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Another relegation battle.

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Originally Posted by hibbymark

Any irons in the fire? looking through the starting 11 from tuesday night and the reality that the season starts a week on saturday (sunday for us) I am now really worried about our lack of transfer activity.Even if we went on a mass signing spree now the team is never going to be ready in time for Tannadice or the smellies the week after. Im aware of the financial challenges at the moment and the chicken and egg season ticket sales v player signings but the squad is thread bare. I have sat back while listening to the agents and players are all on holiday and chairman asks fans to dig deep statements but still we have shown no sign of intent or any evidence to support any grounds for optimism for the coming season.Mcpake and Griffiths were part of the shambles that very nearly took us down last year and whilst im happy to see them back again the rest of the sqaud looks even worse than the one that humilated us at Hampden. I still think we need at least 3 or 4 players which I dont see happening. Time after time I see other clubs like Aberdeen with lower home gates ,less season ticket holders, crap ground,no training centre,larger debt sign players like Johnny Hayes in front of us not to mention the names being mentioned with servco and our inabilty to lure guys like Jim Goodwin from the mighty St. Mirren. Im really not looking forward to watching the likes of St. Johnstone and Inverness tearing us a new one every other week at Easter road again. How can a seasoned pro like Maybury who must have been on lunching vouchers with Saints play in 5 pre season games and still not be offered a deal? If we have other areas of the team that need strenthening before right back tell Maybury to do one and play whoever is going to be playing there. As a club we must surely get to a point where we gamble a little bit on success . Show a wee bit ambition even in the current football and global climate. I honestly think the fans ambition now matches that of the clubs. Lets plod along and try and get in the top 6. Lets turn up against Hearts in hope rather than expectation. Dont forget we do this on the back of some of the most expensive season ticket prices in the country. Hibernian a team in transition since 1875 !

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I agree with your first bit about the squad not being ready, but if the money isnt there (I dont know whether it is or not), how do you suggest we go about signing more players? Its a nice thought that if we spent a little bit more (something it seems like weve doing anyway that hasnt worked) then it could bring success, but where is the cash going to come from?

You say that the squad is worse than the cup final team, why? Who have we lost that made such a big difference? O'Connor chipped in with his fair share of goals but we ultimately had to get rid. Other than that, I cant think of anyone else. If anything, we signed the only 2 players that were actually worth keeping from last season in Griffiths and McPake, whilst also signing a keeper, a fairly versatile defender and a midfielder.

As for other teams signings, Aberdeen, whilst good players, have only made 2 signings. Would that have been enough for us based on what was left at the club? Inverness lost nearly their whole team, including some very good players, and have replaced them with 5 fairly unknown players so who knows how they will get on. St. Johnstone have made good signings, but they had the slight lure of European football, as did Dundee United (who always make good signings). Most of the other teams have only made the odd signing, whilst Hearts havent signed anyone. We seem like one of the few clubs left who might actually do some business, particularly if more STs are sold, so Id say we might be in a slightly fortunate position.

Also, if we only bring in one or two more signings, I think Maybury, assuming Fenlon has seen enough to make a good decision on him, is a sensible signing. He can play in both midfield and defence, has lots of experience (especially in the SPL) and likely wont cost much. Obviously it isnt the more attacking player we are all hoping for, but maybe that sort of player isnt currently available on our budget.

I don't think a winger is high up his list.

Technically he could play either Booth, Kujabi, Galbraith on the left and Spoony and Sproule on the right. Admittedly none of these players fill me with enthusiasm to play out wide however none of these players are likely to play every week anyway so need to be accomodated in some way.

God help us if we line up with Stevenson and Claros in the centre of midfield, far too lightweight.

Would ideally like to see another striker in, preferably a target man. Another midfielder too, perhaps someone similiar to Ozzy, big lad with a bit of presence.

Most good teams are built around the spine and at the moment I would say we only have Williams and McPake. It kinda falls apart after that.

Reckon Maybury would be a good addition and can play a variety of roles across the back and midfield.

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Originally Posted by too_many_djs

I agree with your first bit about the squad not being ready, but if the money isnt there (I dont know whether it is or not), how do you suggest we go about signing more players? Its a nice thought that if we spent a little bit more (something it seems like weve doing anyway that hasnt worked) then it could bring success, but where is the cash going to come from?

You say that the squad is worse than the cup final team, why? Who have we lost that made such a big difference? O'Connor chipped in with his fair share of goals but we ultimately had to get rid. Other than that, I cant think of anyone else. If anything, we signed the only 2 players that were actually worth keeping from last season in Griffiths and McPake, whilst also signing a keeper, a fairly versatile defender and a midfielder.

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I think O'Connor, Osbourne, Doherty and Soares would walk into the current team.

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Originally Posted by Andy74

Some pace in wide positions please.

If we are only going to play one up then Doyle, Griffiths and Caldwell might well be about enough although they aren't really suited to the lone role.

So, we really need a couple of players around them with pace and trickery. I don't think relying on plaeyrs like Sproule and Wotherspoon who failed to make any impact in a poor team last year will do it.

I was impressed with Claros on the tour and if we continue to play the short passing game then I think he will come more into it. Cairney looks well suited to being that attacking midfield player in front of the sitting two.

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Impressed with Claros? Not something we hear too often. What's the difference Andy?

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Originally Posted by Elephant Stone

Well no one can be sure what the consequences will be but unless our midfield from last year has a miraculous change in capability we will be in for yet another year with no proper wingers and hence no width, and an overall totally impotent and ineffective midfield. That's not a threat by me, I'll be at the games regardless. It's just the horrible truth.

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You had better be.

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Originally Posted by Rasta_Hibs

I think the obvious consequence is the team would be still ***** lol
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So what has changed over the last 40+ years apart from a couple of good seasons?

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Originally Posted by Steve20

Another relegation battle.

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So be it.

Anyone in the know, know if the Danny ****tu thing is true or just a load o ****tu :hmmm:

Lets be honest. We could point at any area on the pitch and say that we need to improve there.

Even if we do make a few more signings, we're still going to struggle.

Fenlon has a long hard task on his hands.

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Originally Posted by wee_hibee

Lets be honest. We could point at any area on the pitch and say that we need to improve there.
Even if we do make a few more signings, we're still going to struggle.

Fenlon has a long hard task on his hands.

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Most teams could :agree: We all know the score regarding the current state of Scottish football. Heids down, get on with it.

Maybes aye maybes naw, but why advertise the fact you're on the lookout for 5 more players and give the agents the upperhand in negotiations?

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Originally Posted by Andy74

I think O'Connor, Osbourne, Doherty and Soares would walk into the current team.

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Sadly, I agree.

We appear to be weaker now than we were last season.

Still there is time to change that......

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Originally Posted by Andy74

I think O'Connor, Osbourne, Doherty and Soares would walk into the current team.

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They'd walk into the team but they'd also probably spend the next 90 minutes still just walking.

None of them, with the exception of O'Connor, showed any desire or passion during their time with the club. Going by reports on the tour and how Fenlon is trying to progress the team it least appears as is if we are going to have 11 players fighting for each other and the jersey on the pitch next season. That to me is a step in the right direction.

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Originally Posted by hibbymark

Any irons in the fire? looking through the starting 11 from tuesday night and the reality that the season starts a week on saturday (sunday for us) I am now really worried about our lack of transfer activity. Even if we went on a mass signing spree now the team is never going to be ready in time for Tannadice or the smellies the week after. Im aware of the financial challenges at the moment and the chicken and egg season ticket sales v player signings but the squad is thread bare. I have sat back while listening to the agents and players are all on holiday and chairman asks fans to dig deep statements but still we have shown no sign of intent or any evidence to support any grounds for optimism for the coming season. Mcpake and Griffiths were part of the shambles that very nearly took us down last year and whilst im happy to see them back again the rest of the sqaud looks even worse than the one that humilated us at Hampden. I still think we need at least 3 or 4 players which I dont see happening. Time after time I see other clubs like Aberdeen with lower home gates ,less season ticket holders, crap ground,no training centre,larger debt sign players like Johnny Hayes in front of us not to mention the names being mentioned with servco and our inabilty to lure guys like Jim Goodwin from the mighty St. Mirren. Im really not looking forward to watching the likes of St. Johnstone and Inverness tearing us a new one every other week at Easter road again. How can a seasoned pro like Maybury who must have been on lunching vouchers with Saints play in 5 pre season games and still not be offered a deal? If we have other areas of the team that need strenthening before right back tell Maybury to do one and play whoever is going to be playing there. As a club we must surely get to a point where we gamble a little bit on success . Show a wee bit ambition even in the current football and global climate. I honestly think the fans ambition now matches that of the clubs. Lets plod along and try and get in the top 6. Lets turn up against Hearts in hope rather than expectation. Dont forget we do this on the back of some of the most expensive season ticket prices in the country. Hibernian a team in transition since 1875 !

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Hibernian, a team gladly paying taxes and registering players lawfully, since 1875. :aok:


Just have to hope irons are in the fire. Window has plenty time to go.

I hope there will be a couple more but we have to realistically look at the financial uncertainty still surrounding Scottish football.

If there are then great, if not then we'll get a chance to see the young lads get a shot and we just need to get the heads down and get on with it.

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Originally Posted by Andy74

I think O'Connor, Osbourne, Doherty and Soares would walk into the current team.

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O'Connor would but if we want to change the ethos of the club, we couldnt really keep him. Doherty was a good player, but a tit who didnt want to stay. Weve got a RB whos played his whole career in the SPL, good enough for me.

Osbourne clearly had lots of ability, but just couldnt really ever take a hold of games. He also awful when it came to any sort of defensive work, and Im not really sorry to see him leave. And Soares is a joke of a footballer, did he ever try during his time at Hibs?

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Originally Posted by Lucius Apuleius

You had better be.



So what has changed over the last 40+ years apart from a couple of good seasons?



So be it.

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With the new training centre, our expenditure has gone up & there is far more competition these days to attract people to spend their money away from football! And the better be is pretty obvious, as a business Hibs are shipping custom & it will continue to happen unless something drastic changes with the performances.

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Originally Posted by Hibstrooper

They'd walk into the team but they'd also probably spend the next 90 minutes still just walking.

None of them, with the exception of O'Connor, showed any desire or passion during their time with the club. Going by reports on the tour and how Fenlon is trying to progress the team it least appears as is if we are going to have 11 players fighting for each other and the jersey on the pitch next season. That to me is a step in the right direction.

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I totally agree with what Felnon is trying to do in that respect but the stark fact right now is, no matter what you thought about the names above, they are better than what we have left with right now.

The signings we have made have been good, they would have been better if they had complemented what we had before and not just trying to make up a big gap.

At the moment what we are left with is some okay players we have brought in, alongside a collection of players who couldn't get games last year ahead of the ones we have got rid of.

I'd expected a few more, even with the Rangers thing.

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Originally Posted by Ray-in-ireland

With the new training centre, our expenditure has gone up & there is far more competition these days to attract people to spend their money away from football! And the better be is pretty obvious, as a business Hibs are shipping custom & it will continue to happen unless something drastic changes with the performances.

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You have emboldened the bit below so i presume the above was in the main referring to it? If so, the answer was to the statement that the team is *****. It is, and apart from a few seasons, always has been. We live within our means, same as we do domestically (at least I do and I can only speak for myself). The training centre was in my opinion, along with the new East, necessary expenditures. I am still of the opinion had it not been for the downturn in the economy that they would have paid off by now. As I have said before, not everything is black and white. the numbers missing are not all missing because the team is *****. A lot of people, especially married men just cannot justify the money on any entertainment never mind **** entertainment. These are the people we need as they are the one who bring the next generation.

So what has changed over the last 40+ years apart from a couple of good seasons?

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Originally Posted by hibbymark

Any irons in the fire? looking through the starting 11 from tuesday night and the reality that the season starts a week on saturday (sunday for us) I am now really worried about our lack of transfer activity. Even if we went on a mass signing spree now the team is never going to be ready in time for Tannadice or the smellies the week after. Im aware of the financial challenges at the moment and the chicken and egg season ticket sales v player signings but the squad is thread bare. I have sat back while listening to the agents and players are all on holiday and chairman asks fans to dig deep statements but still we have shown no sign of intent or any evidence to support any grounds for optimism for the coming season. Mcpake and Griffiths were part of the shambles that very nearly took us down last year and whilst im happy to see them back again the rest of the sqaud looks even worse than the one that humilated us at Hampden. I still think we need at least 3 or 4 players which I dont see happening. Time after time I see other clubs like Aberdeen with lower home gates ,less season ticket holders, crap ground,no training centre,larger debt sign players like Johnny Hayes in front of us not to mention the names being mentioned with servco and our inabilty to lure guys like Jim Goodwin from the mighty St. Mirren. Im really not looking forward to watching the likes of St. Johnstone and Inverness tearing us a new one every other week at Easter road again. How can a seasoned pro like Maybury who must have been on lunching vouchers with Saints play in 5 pre season games and still not be offered a deal? If we have other areas of the team that need strenthening before right back tell Maybury to do one and play whoever is going to be playing there. As a club we must surely get to a point where we gamble a little bit on success . Show a wee bit ambition even in the current football and global climate. I honestly think the fans ambition now matches that of the clubs. Lets plod along and try and get in the top 6. Lets turn up against Hearts in hope rather than expectation. Dont forget we do this on the back of some of the most expensive season ticket prices in the country. Hibernian a team in transition since 1875 !

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Fantastic post, if only you were a member of the board :thumbsup:

It looks like the manager wants to bring in Maybury to the club, but at this moment in time i just don't think the funds are there to sign him, i think it is as simple as that, if we can off load a player then it free's up a wage that could be offered to Maybury, folk who are saying we need at least 4 more players in the team(yes they are right) it is not going to happen, where does the money come from, our owner has said he won't be putting in any more money in to the team unless things get really bad(avoiding relegation just there i thought was really bad) but obviously not bad enough, we don't have any players that we can sell that will bring in a big fee that may help the manager strengthen the squad, it looks like that a few of the young ones will get a chance when the season starts and i don't have a problem with that if they are good enough, but i have a worry about the young lads too, first few games are not easy for us and i don't want the younger lads having there confidence dented so early in to the season if we don't do well in our first few games, that is the worry for me.

So yeah we could see another player come in and it will more than likely be Maybury, but only if the manager can move a player on, if that happens then that will be our lot for the season. imo.

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

It looks like the manager wants to bring in Maybury to the club, but at this moment in time i just don't think the funds are there to sign him.0

So yeah we could see another player come in and it will more than likely be Maybury, but only if the manager can move a player on, if that happens then that will be our lot for the season. imo.

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

It looks like the manager wants to bring in Maybury to the club, but at this moment in time i just don't think the funds are there to sign him, i think it is as simple as that, if we can off load a player then it free's up a wage that could be offered to Maybury, folk who are saying we need at least 4 more players in the team(yes they are right) it is not going to happen, where does the money come from, our owner has said he won't be putting in any more money in to the team unless things get really bad(avoiding relegation just there i thought was really bad) but obviously not bad enough, we don't have any players that we can sell that will bring in a big fee that may help the manager strengthen the squad, it looks like that a few of the young ones will get a chance when the season starts and i don't have a problem with that if they are good enough, but i have a worry about the young lads too, first few games are not easy for us and i don't want the younger lads having there confidence dented so early in to the season if we don't do well in our first few games, that is the worry for me.

So yeah we could see another player come in and it will more than likely be Maybury, but only if the manager can move a player on, if that happens then that will be our lot for the season. imo.

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Surely Osbourne has to be replaced? His salary is off the wage bill and we got in a fee. If we don't replace Osbourne with somebody similar I see us getting overrun every week, we also let go Jimmy Scott. Sky have not said they won't honour the contract.

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Originally Posted by Andy74

I totally agree with what Felnon is trying to do in that respect but the stark fact right now is, no matter what you thought about the names above, they are better than what we have left with right now.

The signings we have made have been good, they would have been better if they had complemented what we had before and not just trying to make up a big gap.

At the moment what we are left with is some okay players we have brought in, alongside a collection of players who couldn't get games last year ahead of the ones we have got rid of.

I'd expected a few more, even with the Rangers thing.

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Agree with all that. Still think we're short of a physical forward, pacey winger and dominant central midfielder and believe that, until we get these positions adequately filled, we're at best on a par with last season's team.

We all talked about the importance of having the bulk of signings in before pre season, especially given the early fixtures, and, whilst I understand the extent of the financial impact as a result of zombie huns, I'm still a bit worried that we're going to get a few beatings early on in the season.

Desparately hope I'm wrong as that's the last thing we, Fenlon and the club needs.

Ever decreasing circles.. And another relegation battle beckons!

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

It looks like the manager wants to bring in Maybury to the club, but at this moment in time i just don't think the funds are there to sign him, i think it is as simple as that, if we can off load a player then it free's up a wage that could be offered to Maybury, folk who are saying we need at least 4 more players in the team(yes they are right) it is not going to happen, where does the money come from, our owner has said he won't be putting in any more money in to the team unless things get really bad(avoiding relegation just there i thought was really bad) but obviously not bad enough, we don't have any players that we can sell that will bring in a big fee that may help the manager strengthen the squad, it looks like that a few of the young ones will get a chance when the season starts and i don't have a problem with that if they are good enough, but i have a worry about the young lads too, first few games are not easy for us and i don't want the younger lads having there confidence dented so early in to the season if we don't do well in our first few games, that is the worry for me.

So yeah we could see another player come in and it will more than likely be Maybury, but only if the manager can move a player on, if that happens then that will be our lot for the season. imo.

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Excuse me while I fetch your noose sir.

We need to bring the youngsters through asap, if we don't then we need to spend to fill in huge gaps then they get frozen out. The best lessons for them would be in tougher games, these young players look the part and hate Hearts. Look at McGowan for the Yams he had a great season with them last season and not even in his correct position, he was pretty much thrown headfirst into the deep end and didn't sink, I'm sure Caldwell, Handling and Stanton are able to do this as well.

Did we not blow Motherwell out the water with the contract offer for Clancy?

People need to realise that we have had the 4th/5th highest budget in the SPL for the last 5+ years, its been the managerial merry go round that has been the problem, not the wages we are offering compared to SPL competitors.

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Originally Posted by West Upper Pie

Did we not blow Motherwell out the water with the contract offer for Clancy?

People need to realise that we have had the 4th/5th highest budget in the SPL for the last 5+ years, its been the managerial merry go round that has been the problem, not the wages we are offering compared to SPL competitors.

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Only part of the problem imo.

Under performing players with a couldn't care less attitude is/was the route of the problem.

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Originally Posted by West Upper Pie

Did we not blow Motherwell out the water with the contract offer for Clancy?

People need to realise that we have had the 4th/5th highest budget in the SPL for the last 5+ years, its been the managerial merry go round that has been the problem, not the wages we are offering compared to SPL competitors.

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:agree: It's the fact that we are viewed as 'unstable' because we haven't had a settled backroom staff/management team for years.


I know we don't have any money... but the money that we have saved on wages by getting rid of 15 odd players SURELY we can sign 4 or 5. We will still have saved a hell of a lot of cash.. Players like O'Connor and Stack wouldn't have been on £1k a week and we must have paid a portion of the likes of Soares' £8k a week wages (I'm guessing £2k)

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Originally Posted by FalkirkHibby

Surely Osbourne has to be replaced? His salary is off the wage bill and we got in a fee. If we don't replace Osbourne with somebody similar I see us getting overrun every week, we also let go Jimmy Scott. Sky have not said they won't honour the contract.

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I doubt Fenlon will see anything from the fee from Osbourne, his wages that were freed up maybe went towards getting Sparky in on loan again, :dunno:.

And we let Scott go on loan, we will still be paying a part of his wages while he is on a contract with Hibs.

Season starts for us next Sunday, are we ready to go as a team, i don't think so.

Quote from Steve Lomas today re tv deal:

"Understandably, it's making a lot of chairmen nervous about bringing in extra players and we're no different. We've probably got one of the smallest budgets in the SPL and, at the moment, the chairman's had to put the pause button on.
"I've worked with Sky and I'd like to think they'll stand by Scottish football in its time of need and it will allow me then to bring in four or five players which I think would make us very competitive."


So.... if they have one of the smallest budgets in the SPL and they can bring in 'four or five' players if the tv deal stays the same (which is looking likely now) SURELY we have to be in the same boat?? If not...

PETRIE!!! GET YER FINGER OOT! :grr:

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Originally Posted by dmc1875

Quote from Steve Lomas today re tv deal:

"Understandably, it's making a lot of chairmen nervous about bringing in extra players and we're no different. We've probably got one of the smallest budgets in the SPL and, at the moment, the chairman's had to put the pause button on.
"I've worked with Sky and I'd like to think they'll stand by Scottish football in its time of need and it will allow me then to bring in four or five players which I think would make us very competitive."


So.... if they have one of the smallest budgets in the SPL and they can bring in 'four or five' players if the tv deal stays the same (which is looking likely now) SURELY we have to be in the same boat?? If not...

PETRIE!!! GET YER FINGER OOT! :grr:

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I’m sure Hibs could comfortably bring in at least another 4 or 5 players from wherever and pay them peanuts. Quantity is not really the issue, its making sure that we get the balance right and get the best we can afford without having a load of other deadwood to whom we have to pay wages for either sitting on the bench or doing nothing much for us on the park. Remember the January transfer window when CC brought in a substantial amount of players? 90% of that exercise was a total waste of time and, more importantly, money.

It seems to me that this time there has at least been a little more thought put into who we have purchased so far. I'd rather have 2 or 3 less players knowing that the ones that we do have (and may or may not be paying a little more than usual to keep) are of a half-decent quality. Of course, only time will tell but I do think a scattergun approach will just leave us paying wages for players we don't want in 6 months time and can't get rid of.

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Originally Posted by Hibstrooper

They'd walk into the team but they'd also probably spend the next 90 minutes still just walking.

None of them, with the exception of O'Connor, showed any desire or passion during their time with the club. Going by reports on the tour and how Fenlon is trying to progress the team it least appears as is if we are going to have 11 players fighting for each other and the jersey on the pitch next season. That to me is a step in the right direction.

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THIS.

There is this feeling that we can only improve the team by buying new players. That could be true but you can also weaken the team with the wrong signings.

I think it's been obvious from the last few years that there has been a problem at the core of Hibs. If Fenlon is addressing that, successfully, then perhaps the future is brighter? I would be happy to have gotten rid of the cancer that has been plaguing us.

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Originally Posted by HibsMax

THIS.

There is this feeling that we can only improve the team by buying new players. That could be true but you can also weaken the team with the wrong signings.

I think it's been obvious from the last few years that there has been a problem at the core of Hibs. If Fenlon is addressing that, successfully, then perhaps the future is brighter? I would be happy to have gotten rid of the cancer that has been plaguing us.

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Exactly. How many of the players listed earlier could have probably walked into most teams in the league if it was all about skill and ability, the same teams that we were regularly rolling over too because we weren't prepared to roll up our sleeves.

I'm not saying we are world beaters, far from it, however I think this team will finish higher than last seasons.

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Originally Posted by Hibstrooper

Exactly. How many of the players listed earlier could have probably walked into most teams in the league if it was all about skill and ability, the same teams that we were regularly rolling over too because we weren't prepared to roll up our sleeves.

I'm not saying we are world beaters, far from it, however I think this team will finish higher than last seasons.

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A good start would be by winning more home games than we did last season (4 wins), home games have been our downfall last few seasons. Even in the scottish cup run we only played once at home and beat kille.

So any actual transfer romours then?

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Originally Posted by HibsMax

THIS.

There is this feeling that we can only improve the team by buying new players. That could be true but you can also weaken the team with the wrong signings.

I think it's been obvious from the last few years that there has been a problem at the core of Hibs. If Fenlon is addressing that, successfully, then perhaps the future is brighter? I would be happy to have gotten rid of the cancer that has been plaguing us.

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Is Fenlon addressing that though? Doyle, Kujabi and Claros, Fenlon signings, haven't exactly strengthened us.

Still to see Clancy, Cairney and Williams perform, but hopefully there better than they three!!!

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Originally Posted by Hibstrooper

Exactly. How many of the players listed earlier could have probably walked into most teams in the league if it was all about skill and ability, the same teams that we were regularly rolling over too because we weren't prepared to roll up our sleeves.

I'm not saying we are world beaters, far from it, however I think this team will finish higher than last seasons.

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I hope your right. But imo, the squad we have just now is bottom six.

Look at pre-season. Stephens, Claros, Stevenson, Sproule, Doyle and Wotherspoon all looking like main starters. How many of them started the Scottish Cup Final? But now they are first picks!!!

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Originally Posted by SMAXXA

So any actual transfer romours then?

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None of that kind of talk going on here doom and gloom before we have kicked the first ba jesus :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by edwards

None of that kind of talk going on here doom and gloom before we have kicked the first ba jesus :rolleyes:

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Well maybe if there was some substance of new signings coming in, it wouldn't be so doom and gloom then!!!

God the endless negativity! Good to see the revisionism has kicked in big time and players like Docherty and Soares are now huge losses to the club. Are they **** frankly.

Just like the Motherwells, we are waiting to see what Sky do. If that money vanishes, where exactly does the money for more players come from? Season ticket sales doesn't come close to paying for the wage budget we have as it is.


I'm much more optimistic this year, we've ditched all the washed up huddies that came to us from 'big clubs,' we've got a couple of really exciting looking youngsters coming in, I think our defence looks far more solid than it has been for a long time...


Let's give the endless negativity a wee break eh folks!

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God the endless negativity! Good to see the revisionism has kicked in big time and players like Docherty and Soares are now huge losses to the club. Are they **** frankly.

Just like the Motherwells, we are waiting to see what Sky do. If that money vanishes, where exactly does the money for more players come from? Season ticket sales doesn't come close to paying for the wage budget we have as it is.


I'm much more optimistic this year, we've ditched all the washed up huddies that came to us from 'big clubs,' we've got a couple of really exciting looking youngsters coming in, I think our defence looks far more solid than it has been for a long time...


Let's give the endless negativity a wee break eh folks!

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On paper... although the pre season games so far have shown that we still have the same old problems of balls in the air..Something that needs rectified ​IMO

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I hope your right. But imo, the squad we have just now is bottom six.

Look at pre-season. Stephens, Claros, Stevenson, Sproule, Doyle and Wotherspoon all looking like main starters. How many of them started the Scottish Cup Final? But now they are first picks!!!

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Effin scarey considering how bad the cup final team was ..... And I still would go with the starting eleven from then ahead of that lot

By all all accounts we offered Scott Robertson. Looks like he's off to Blackpool but it proves there is still money in the pot for the right signing. That money has to be spent wisely.
If Steve Lomas is correct once the sky deal is clarified then we might see some more movement.

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By all all accounts we offered Scott Robertson. Looks like he's off to Blackpool but it proves there is still money in the pot for the right signing. That money has to be spent wisely.
If Steve Lomas is correct once the sky deal is clarified then we might see some more movement.

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We have offered Scott Robertson heehaw.

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It looks like the manager wants to bring in Maybury to the club, but at this moment in time i just don't think the funds are there to sign him, i think it is as simple as that, if we can off load a player then it free's up a wage that could be offered to Maybury, folk who are saying we need at least 4 more players in the team(yes they are right) it is not going to happen, where does the money come from, our owner has said he won't be putting in any more money in to the team unless things get really bad(avoiding relegation just there i thought was really bad) but obviously not bad enough, we don't have any players that we can sell that will bring in a big fee that may help the manager strengthen the squad, it looks like that a few of the young ones will get a chance when the season starts and i don't have a problem with that if they are good enough, but i have a worry about the young lads too, first few games are not easy for us and i don't want the younger lads having there confidence dented so early in to the season if we don't do well in our first few games, that is the worry for me.

So yeah we could see another player come in and it will more than likely be Maybury, but only if the manager can move a player on, if that happens then that will be our lot for the season. imo.

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I may wrong here but are we not still under the current Sky tv deal that still has 1 year to left? The new improved deal was due to kick in this season, however due to the cheating huns, the new deal has not been signed and by all accounts the SPL are trying to negotiate a new deal without OF games.

So, are we not under the same financial constraints as we were for the start of last season and the season before and the season before that? More than a whole team has been freed with only 5 new faces, inc McPake and Griffiths being brought in, Hibs must have some funds available?? Granted I accept that there is the loss of 1 or 2 (dependent on top or bottom 6) OF away gates, however does the loss 8000 odd tickets make us skint?

If ever there was a time to push the boat out a little and get in 4 decent signings that could improve our chances of winning games, now is the time to do it!

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I may wrong here but are we not still under the current Sky tv deal that still has 1 year to left? The new improved deal was due to kick in this season, however due to the cheating huns, the new deal has not been signed and by all accounts the SPL are trying to negotiate a new deal without OF games.

So, are we not under the same financial constraints as we were for the start of last season and the season before and the season before that? More than a whole team has been freed with only 4 new faces being brought in, Hibs must have some funds available?? Granted I accept that there is the loss of 1 or 2 (dependent on top or bottom 6) OF away gates, however does the loss 8000 odd tickets make us skint?

If ever there was a time to push the boat out a little and get in 4 decent signings that could improve our chances of winning games, now is the time to do it!

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Sky can pull the current deal if they like with Rangers being gone.

At the moment they are likely negotiating as to what Sky / ESPN will pay for this season.

There is no boat to push out. We were spending beyond our income already the last 2 years. Belt tightening would be the story of the day without all the other crap going on.

If nothing else, the last few seasons and their signings are proof that more money does not equal guaranteed success.

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Sky can pull the current deal if they like with Rangers being gone.

At the moment they are likely negotiating as to what Sky / ESPN will pay for this season.

There is no boat to push out. We were spending beyond our income already the last 2 years. Belt tightening would be the story of the day without all the other crap going on.

If nothing else, the last few seasons and their signings are proof that more money does not equal guaranteed success.

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Ok Scott B, I was unaware that the current deal with only the 1 year left may be pulled.

Really cannot see Sky not supporting Scottish Football, they would lose more than they would save with the number of cancelled Sky Sports subscriptions if they did.

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Ok Scott B, I was unaware that the current deal with only the 1 year left may be pulled.

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Mind you, both Sky and ESPN have publicly stated that they would continue to the end of the current contract but will be renegotiating any extension/new deal, also remember BT vision sport are wanting to expand so this time around there might be some competition.

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Really cannot see Sky not supporting Scottish Football, they would lose more than they would save with the number of cancelled Sky Sports subscriptions if they did.

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Today's Herald seems to indicate that a deal with Sky / ESPN is imminent, and that it's not far from the current deal

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CONTRACTS will be signed with Sky and ESPN to show 65 matches per season from the Scottish Premier League and Irn-Bru Third Division if Rangers newco's Scottish Football Association membership is approved later today. Sky will have the rights to 30 games, starting with Celtic versus Aberdeen at Parkhead next Saturday lunchtime, then Rangers newco's opening third division encounter at Peterhead on August 11. ESPN would have 35 live games and the first would be Dundee United versus Hibernian on Sunday, August 5.

Herald Sport understands that a deal involving the SPL, Scottish Football League and the two broadcasters – and including rights for 15 of the newco's league games per season – will preserve most of the value of the existing £16m-a-season television agreement for the current campaign. That will spare top-flight clubs from the most severe repercussions some had feared from at least three years without the Ibrox club. The television deal is agreed in principle but cannot be signed until Sevco Scotland Ltd's application for the transfer of Rangers' SFA membership is approved. That needs to happen before the club can play its first match at Brechin City in the Ramsdens Cup on Sunday afternoon.

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[QUOTE=ScottB;3305365]Sky can pull the current deal if they like with Rangers being gone.

At the moment they are likely negotiating as to what Sky / ESPN will pay for this season.

There is no boat to push out. We were spending beyond our income already the last 2 years. Belt tightening would be the story of the day without all the other crap going on.

If nothing else, the last few seasons and their signings are proof that more money does not equal guaranteed success.[/QUOTE]

You've been reading the DR too much. I'm sure, like me, you've never seen the contract between the SPL & Sky. I'm equally sure no one envisaged Newco being in the 3rd division & as such its hardly likely to have formed part of any contractual arrangement. From what I'm told I believe Sky could not pull the plug without paying compensation & anyway Sky have no intention of doing so. Remember Sky have 4 channels to fill, what are they going to replace it with, dominoes from auchenshoogle?

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Mind you, both Sky and ESPN have publicly stated that they would continue to the end of the current contract but will be renegotiating any extension/new deal, also remember BT vision sport are wanting to expand so this time around there might be some competition.

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Might be time for the much discussed SPL TV to be looked into again - a subscription only channel - charging for example £5.99 a month available on all media (Sky, Virgin, BT) similar to what satanta did - potential say 500k customers - could be looking at £35m a year - more than double what we get from Sky just now. Would obviously be dependant on reaching the target customer number.

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Really cannot see Sky not supporting Scottish Football, they would lose more than they would save with the number of cancelled Sky Sports subscriptions if they did.

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Really cant see Sky pulling it at all IMO, can you imagine the backlash if Sky were to be seen supporting British Cycling etc, which TDF and Olympics aside is hardly a crowd puller, but seen to drop the SPL just because some dodgy cheating **** are no longer there, apart from the subscribers backlash you'd have the likes of Mr Salmond kicking off in the press.

If anything, and again this is only my opinion, I would think they'll let this season run, see how the league looks toward the end of the season and then look to renegotiate which may not be a bad thing for all clubs concerned outwith the big two ( Ooops there' only one )

Am I not right in thinking that TV revenue split at present is set out in favour of Tics/Huns and more importantly with voting within the SPL set at 11/1 ? so without the Huns in the mix, surely no-one in their right mind is going to agree ever again to the Glasgow Giants holding sway over the voting rights on how the money is divvied up, we should never ever see again the days when celtic or rangers get all but the crumbs and the rest of the clubs get a fair share of bugger all, so in reality any new deal regardless of the size could still end up with a larger monetary value ending up it the accounts of the other clubs.

Seemingly staff at Sky call centres have been telling customers that Sky will be showing SPL football this coming season, mind you they will probably say anything to get a sale.

The old TV deal would have paid all SPL clubs £600,000 each early next month. It’s feared some teams will be in severe financial trouble without that cash, hopefully this will be paid and we can then sign a few more players.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...6908-23912233/

STAFF at Sky call centres are telling Scots customers they will show the SPL this season – even though no new deal has been agreed.

The satellite giants have dropped the SPL from their adverts and their press office are refusing to comment on the issue. But when the Record contacted Sky, posing as a potential new Sky Sports customer, a sales rep at their call centre told us: “It will have SPL on, I just couldn’t tell you how many games until all that’s confirmed to us.”

There's the huns oober thread which would be more appropriate for the sky espn tv deal chat than this thread surely!!

This threads turned into a mess, cmon hibs give us something to really talk about signing wise.

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Let's give the endless negativity a wee break eh folks!

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:faf: Don't be silly...

Hibs-fan noun, verb, fan, depression, grumpy, sad.
noun
1. Follower of Scottish football team Hibernian.
2. Never happy unless moaning.
3. Doom merchant.
4. Requires at least 1 “marquee signing” in every transfer window.
5. Hater of referee Craig Thomson.
6. Fantasist

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We have offered Scott Robertson heehaw.

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Whit?? No even a trackie and a bag o monster munch?? 😉

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Whit?? No even a trackie and a bag o monster munch?? 

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Heehaw is heehaw in any speak :wink: :greengrin

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Whit?? No even a trackie and a bag o monster munch?? 

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bad memories from the last time a bag of sweties was involved.....:grr:

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Heehaw is heehaw in any speak :wink: :greengrin

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😁

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:faf: Don't be silly...

Hibs-fan noun, verb, fan, depression, grumpy, sad.
noun
1. Follower of Scottish football team Hibernian.
2. Never happy unless moaning.
3. Doom merchant.
4. Requires at least “marquee signing” in every transfer window.
5. Hater of referee Craig Thomson.
6. Fantasist

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:top marks

There was a press conference at Easter Road today - because I saw the cameras going in at 2-45 and Jim McArthur was sitting at stadium door. :confused:

hes our new back up keeper :agree:

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There was a press conference at Easter Road today - because I saw the cameras going in at 2-45 and Jim McArthur was sitting at stadium door. :confused:

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Leigh Griffiths was on the news tonight holding the number 9 shirt and getting interviewed at ER.

Don't think it was for anything else.

Anybody know how the trialist was at left mid today ?

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Anybody know how the trialist was at left mid today ?

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The only trialists were Maybury and Kerr.

Maybury was good, Kerr looked pretty safe but didnt do too much.

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Anybody know how the trialist was at left mid today ?

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Only 2 trialists for Hibs today was Maybury (left back) and Kerr (centre midfield) do you maybe mean Cairney who we sighned from Partick Thistle?

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Anybody know how the trialist was at left mid today ?

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What number was he wearing?t

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There was a press conference at Easter Road today - because I saw the cameras going in at 2-45 and Jim McArthur was sitting at stadium door. :confused:

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Well we all know whose agent he is don't we.

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What number was he wearing?t

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20

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Well we all know whose agent he is don't we.

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I await to find out.

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Anybody know how the trialist was at left mid today ?

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Cairney. Quite a few in the East around me had no idea who he was.

I do wonder sometimes!

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I await to find out.

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Our best goal scorer of the last 15 years.

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Well we all know whose agent he is don't we.

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I await to find out.

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Our best goal scorer of the last 15 years.

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Anthony Stokes is an agent? :greengrin

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Our best goal scorer of the last 15 years.

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Just the the last 15 years. :confused:

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Our best goal scorer of the last 15 years.

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Clayton Donaldson?

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That was Paul Cairney.

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That was Paul Cairney.

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Cheers, guy next to me said he was on trial.

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Cairney. Quite a few in the East around me had no idea who he was.

I do wonder sometimes!

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Yes, I don't know how anyone wouldn't instantly recognize a player signed from the Scottish First Division.

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:faf: Don't be silly...

Hibs-fan noun, verb, fan, depression, grumpy, sad.
noun
1. Follower of Scottish football team Hibernian.
2. Never happy unless moaning.
3. Doom merchant.
4. Requires at least 1 “marquee signing” in every transfer window.
5. Hater of referee Craig Thomson.
6. Fantasist

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I'm quite happy to be a "moaning" "doom merchant" when it come to Hibs at the moment - it proves I'm still sane.

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Yes, I don't know how anyone wouldn't instantly recognize a player signed from the Scottish First Division.

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My God we are not signing those kind of players, what ever next....worked for everyone else....still at least we are getting there


Looked very decent today:agree:

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Yes, I don't know how anyone wouldn't instantly recognize a player signed from the Scottish First Division.

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Or seen any Hibs news on him, pictures etc?

Lots of chat from Carlisle Lee Miller to Hibs!?!

Sandaza & Mark Wilson still without clubs, both would be great additions for us.

Also Jason Scotland looking to return to Scotland seemingly.

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Sandaza & Mark Wilson still without clubs, both would be great additions for us.

Also Jason Scotland looking to return to Scotland seemingly.

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All three would be fantastic signings for us. Sadly, I can't see any of them wanting to come to us. :rolleyes:

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Sandaza & Mark Wilson still without clubs, both would be great additions for us.

Also Jason Scotland looking to return to Scotland seemingly.

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His cousin is one of my best friends at university, trying to sweet talk her into persuading him to sign for us :cb

I said Jason Scotland a while ago, he might be past his best though but definitely worth a look in training and a bounce match.

Jason Scotland only signed a new one year deal with Ipswich this month?

Daily record reporting that kerr and maybury will be signed up in the next 72 hours.

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Daily record reporting that kerr and maybury will be signed up in the next 72 hours.

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After giving it much thought. Kerr would a decent signing for our midfield and Maybury could be a good right back :cb

Good stuff, experienced SPL players who will slot into the team rather than try and change it for their own wants.

Looks like Pat is happy with what he has now, he only needs a couple to support the team he has.

“We’re a little short in areas and need to bring in a few more to support the players we do have,”

I take from this there may be some more signings but is happy with his starting team. Great.

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Looks like Pat is happy with what he has now, he only needs a couple to support the team he has.

“We’re a little short in areas and need to bring in a few more to support the players we do have,”

I take from this there may be some more signings but is happy with his starting team. Great.

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PF has said on numerous occasions that he is looking for good professionals with the right attitude and character to change the ethos of the place. He also said he wants a few more not a couple more, but hey...knock yourself out twisting the quotes to suit your own agenda.

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Daily record reporting that kerr and maybury will be signed up in the next 72 hours.

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I think this is a good move and great to have some senior players at the club. Also I think Mark Kerr will give our midfield a bit more bite :agree: I remember he got in a scrap with Rob Jones a few years ago and got a straight red card and Jones only got a yellow.

Does anyone remember what game that was? would like to try and find it on Hibs tv

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I think this is a good move and great to have some senior players at the club. Also I think Mark Kerr will give our midfield a bit more bite :agree: I remember he got in a scrap with Rob Jones a few years ago and got a straight red card and Jones only got a yellow.

Does anyone remember what game that was? would like to try and find it on Hibs tv

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http://www.afc.co.uk/articles/200903..._2212176_45717

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Originally Posted by KiddA

I think this is a good move and great to have some senior players at the club. Also I think Mark Kerr will give our midfield a bit more bite :agree: I remember he got in a scrap with Rob Jones a few years ago and got a straight red card and Jones only got a yellow.

Does anyone remember what game that was? would like to try and find it on Hibs tv

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Pretty sure Kerr was trying to square up to Ivan but Jones stepped in and the size difference between the two was hilarious!

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PF has said on numerous occasions that he is looking for good professionals with the right attitude and character to change the ethos of the place. He also said he wants a few more not a couple more, but hey...knock yourself out twisting the quotes to suit your own agenda.

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Don't have an agenda thanks.
It's pretty obvious from what he says that irrespective of a 'couple' or a 'few' Pat only wants to add back up to positions. That was my point.

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Don't have an agenda thanks.
It's pretty obvious from what he says that irrespective of a 'couple' or a 'few' Pat only wants to add back up to positions. That was my point.

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I don't think that was what he said or meant at all. That's quite a negative spin to put on things isn't it?

"bring in a few more to support what we have"

Because "we are a bit thin in some areas"

Didn't think I was being particularly negative. Just seems like he is happy with what he has he just needs to add depth in certain areas.