Also pretty ironic that so many fans are boycotting when they apparently "don't do walking away". :greengrin
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Also pretty ironic that so many fans are boycotting when they apparently "don't do walking away". :greengrin
What are they waiting for at greyskull, how hard can it be to tell ten players to GTF. :cb
According to Sky agent for Naismith & Whitty entered Murray park in last half hour after being summoned by the players.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
Sure they won't have issues finding new clubs and no fee for Huns in the summer. :thumbsup:
Just thought maybe Administrator trying to make them redundant and been told to bolt as their contract not with RFC. !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheshire Hibee
Please let it be that :thumbsup::thumbsup:
Still trying to do deals by the looks of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheshire Hibee
Theyre kaaking it on Rangers Media if either McGregor, Davis or Naismith go especially Naismith theyre none to fussed about Whitty tho
Difference is you had the right to reply Andy and indeed did so thus proving yourself a classless twat:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
We all have opinions about all kinds of things but there is a difference between having an opinion and being opinionated. Was it really necessary to publish your opinion of him as soon as he was announced dead? Nobody is asking you to change your opinion of him but would it be impossible for you to keep it to yourelf for once.:cb
This is definitely the hall mark of protecting the playing assets that RFC hold if deal to reduce wages for only 3 months is done and dusted as it seems it is.
You have to speculate that the admin team are very confident of a buyer being in place.
Still huge question mark over if hmrc will accept a CVA to exit admin or what the big case will do
These administrators do seem to have difficulty in making the difficult decisions and prefer instead to let the players decide when to leave or not.:confused:
Now appears many have cut deals on pay cuts with promises of free transfers in summer or sell on clauses in transfers.
A little reminder to all of how the Billionaire Craig Whyte was introduced to the Scottish public by Keith Jackson in a --'DAILY RECORD EXCLUSIVE!!'-- just before the takeover.
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One of Badger's boys?Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Aye Andy, keep it between you and your elf.:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Ha ha damn these pesky ipad's.:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by easty
Got those of the Carlisle utd forums:
A van driver used to amuse himself by scaring the **** out of every Glasgow Rangers fan he saw strutting down the road in his blue and white uniform. He would swerve as if to hit them, and at the last minute, swerve back onto the road.
One day as he was driving along the road, he saw a priest hitch-hiking. He thought he would do his good deed for the day and offer the priest a lift. "Where are you going, Father?" he asked.
"I'm going to say Mass at St Joseph's church, about 2 miles down the road," came the reply.
"No problem," said the driver, "Jump in and I'll give you a lift."
The happy priest climbed into the van and they set off down the road.
Suddenly the driver caught site of a Hun on the pavement, and instinctively swerved as if to hit him, but just in time, remembering the priest in his van, swerved back to the road again, narrowly missing the .
Although he was certain that he didn't hit him, however, he still heard a loud "Thud". Not understanding where the noise came from, he glanced in his mirrors, and, seeing nothing, said to the priest, "Sorry Father, I almost hit that Rangers Supporter walking down the road there."
"That's okay," replied the priest, "I got the *****er with the door!!"
Rangers just announced new tv deal. From next season all their games to be shown on the history channel.
Weather warning: Heavy floods in glasgow area as celtic fans pIsh themselves at rangers
bbc news - lottery winner buys rangers!
a family member has said "***** knows what he would have bought if he got 4 numbers"
A primary teacher explains to her class that she is a Rangers fan. She asks her students to raise their hands if they, too, are Rangers fans. Everyone in the class raises their hand except one little girl. The teacher looks at the girl with surprise and says, "Mary, why didn't you raise your hand?"
"Because I'm not a Rangers fan," she replied.
The teacher, still shocked, asked, "Well, if you are not a Rangers fan, then who are you a fan of?"
"I am a Celtic fan, and proud of it," Mary replied.
The teacher could not believe her ears.
"Mary, why, pray tell, are you a Celtic fan?"
"Because my mum is a Celtic fan, and my dad is a Celtic fan, so I'm a Celtic fan too!"
"Well," said the teacher in an obviously annoyed tone, "that is no reason for you to be a Celtic fan. You don't have to be just like your parents all of the time. What if your mum was a prostitute and your dad was a drug addict, what would you be then?"
"Then," Mary smiled, "Then I'd be a Rangers fan."
:greengrin
It looks like it's business as usual (except for the two already named) on the playing side for the next few months. They'll probably still get second place but will UEFA let them play in Europe next season?
I'd give Whittaker his job back. And I see David Murphy has been dropped at Birmingham. Oh for the days they used to fire passes around the field. Both have a stunning ability to control the ball with the first touch.
If that is the case what is the difference for the Rangers fans? The media would have you believe they are hurting but the truth is same manager, same players, same stadium, bigger crowds and still second in league. Wish we had their pain!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Absolutely and I think I just heard Neil Doncaster on the radio saying regardless what happens they will be in the SPL next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Okay. If you keep yours to yourself the next time too! :greengrin And I'll have a quick word with the elf too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
More like Fred Scott if he was a Latin student! :wink: :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
That's not his decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibi
Where/when did he say that? What a fud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibi
What a fud!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibi
It certainly wouldn't surprise me in the slightest though. Sadly.
Yes they appear to be talking about it on radio Scotland now, even if they are liquidated they would likely continue in the SPL. if that happens I'm through with Scottish football, they have had everything stacked in their favour for years, they should be brought to justice.Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
Ultimately the clubs have to choose what happens but how likely will it be the majority vote them out?
It doesn't need to be a majority vote. You're forgetting how the vote ratio system works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibi
If Celtic vote them out (which they will without a doubt), every other club would have to vote to keep them in.
At least, I think thats how it works. :confused: (Sorry if i've got it wrong)
2 clubs would have to say no.Quote:
Originally Posted by wee_hibee
So, as things stand, Dunfermlines chairman has said he has big issues with them getting straight back in. Assuming they finish bottom, voting No keeps them in the top league.
Hearts, owed money, which they would lose if Rangers liquidate. Vlad seems to have a burning hatred for all things Weegie and would likely have some crazy dream of winning the league. Or just fancy sticking it to the 'monkeys.'
Dundee United, owed cash.
So there's three at least that would likely vote no off the bat. I would suspect the Celtic Board would vote Yes, but their fanbase would revolt.
The question at that point would be, what does newco Rangers do for the others to buy itself all the Yes votes it needs? At this point, Rangers are essentially the others clubs b*tch. Just about anything could be pushed through, a change in the voting structure, income distribution, points and financial penalties etc.
In another point, at work today there was the usual 'the other clubs need the 4 games a season against the Old Firm at home' chat. But that's a nonsense in itself isn't it. Teams in the bottom 6 face potentially only 2 home games against them a season as it is without going bust. Yet another bit of nonsense trotted out as an argument for Rangers staying put...
The SPL rules are here if you want to read them. Looks like it needs 83% of a vote to let a newco back in. That's 10 votes from 12.
One thing - money. Without der hun in the SPL, the TV deal disappears in it's current form and so does a huge income stream for most clubs including swathes of weegies turning up twice a season.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottB
Killie for instance have already given over half their stadium to the OF when they visit, so it's not a big jump to suggest they'd vote to keep them to keep the revenue.
There's quite a few other teams in the SPL in a bad way, and you can bet that chairmen of every club will already have done the sums to work out how much Rangers missing from the league would cost them. The answer will be that it will be a lot, and that will be enough to tip a couple into the 'yes' camp of getting them straight back in.
If Rangers are liquidated does that not mean it needs to be 9 votes from 11 (same difference really I suppose).Quote:
Originally Posted by Wat Dabney
Personally I would be finished with Scottish football, would become an exercise in futility IMO.
Well, there won't be 12 clubs to vote there will only be 11 teams left. But still, it would take 10 out of 11 to break 83%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wat Dabney
Teams most likely to vote "no" would surely be Hearts, Dunfermline. Everyone else would probably vote "yes".
Does everyone think our own board would vote to let them back in?Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Todd
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop..._59EjZOs&gl=GB
How to explain debt to a hun. Hilarious. :greengrin
[QUOTE=Barney McGrew;3138020]One thing - money. Without der hun in the SPL, the TV deal disappears in it's current form and so does a huge income stream for most clubs including swathes of weegies turning up twice a season
People keep talking about the tv deal, but if they were to go then surely clubs outside Celtic would get a bigger slice of all be it a smaller pie. Would it be that big a difference?
Gates against the old firm aren't really that much bigger than against other teams, indeed this might be reflected in our free tickets for a game against the old firm!
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Originally Posted by stokesmessiah
If it comes to a vote, I certainly intend to be letting the board know my feelings on the matter. I would think we should all do the same...just to be sure :agree:
I heard him. Now I'm paraphrasing here, and maybe I have it wrong, but I'm sure he said that Rangers can only surivive in ANY entity as an SPL club. If they get a CVA, they carry on as normal. If they're liquidated and form a newco, they apply for SPL admission. If the SPL board voted against the newco, they disappear off the face of the earth. Either way, they cannot join the SFL at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibi
Have I got what he said right? It doesn't sound credible.
Pretty sure you are right with that, i'm positive that's what I heard as well. I worry that the way things are stacking up they will get off scot freeQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
It's important to remember that the biggest single source of income for SPL clubs is ticket sales.
The fans outwith Ibrox seem almost to a man against the idea of them getting straight back in.
So the question is, is the TV money worth potentially losing sizeable chunks of the fanbases turning up? That's what the teams are going to have to figure out.
Sadly, I think they would.Quote:
Originally Posted by stokesmessiah
Walter Smith was on Talksport this morning coming out with the same pish! Not matter what goes on off the pitch you cant possibly take the trophies away, Aye OK Walter.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeithTheHibby
At one stage I thought Keys, Gray and Walter were going to start ****ging each other!
There shouldn't be 1 vote from any club in the SPL to let them back in.
It should be a clear 11 votes to 0 on them staying out. No excuses for it not to be IMO.
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Originally Posted by The_Todd
Not so sure I would agree with that, think you will find that right now our board won't have to vote as "The Huns" are done. Well and truly ****** some would say.
So much going on at Ibrox that it's hard to even begin, at the beginning :wink:
Exactly. How can Doncaster say a newco couldn't apply to join the SFL, when he has no powers over the SFL?Quote:
Originally Posted by H18SVG
Just got this off the BBC website:
Jack in Glasgow: "Your followers aren't getting it. The SPL are wanting Sky's TV money, so need Rangers, but will only allow a heavily sanctioned Rangers and will take off points and TV share."
I think the guy has a point, plus I think all this stalling with the administrators and the SPL (investigation), is to make sure Rangers finish 2nd and get their CL place.
All the funds they will receive for achieving this will help Rangers in the long run!
We'll be hearing the thoughts of Chairman Rod on the current state of Scottish football debate tonight at 10.35 on the Beeb
Very doubtful Rangers are going to get European football next season. The administrators have already said its highly unlikely they will be out of admin before 31st March so no European licence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aleksandr Orlov
Is there a website where a petition can be set up for Scottish football fans to sign to make their feelings known to the SPL/SFA/their own club's board and the media.
Would be interesting to see how many folk would actually sign up to say they wanted justice to be done and don't want Rangers to be readmitted to the SPL.
Could be stated in the SFL rules? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
The Sky deal is reliant on four OF games a season and it's pretty widely reported that they have a get out clause from the current deal if they don't get them. If Sky wanted to cover the SPL without Rangers there it would be a much, much smaller payment. It sticks in my throat as much as anyones, but without them the money available via any negotiated TV deal would be pathetic. There is a market for people to watch the OF, there isn't one for Killie v St Johnstone on a Monday night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibi
Gates against the OF might not seem that much bigger, but for us there's 3800 people paying £28 a ticket in the South Stand each time we play them. That's over £200k in lost ticket revenue alone that won't be replaced by 200 odd fans from Ross County or the likes rolling up at ER. For other teams with a lower average attendance, it's an even bigger percentage of what they get.
What sticks in my throat is looking back to the time when we first turned SKY down. Things could have turned out so much differently if we had taken the offer when we had the chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
But it might be replaced by more Hibs fans attending - the ones who've disappeared cos there's no competition any more. A more competitive league with new or returning supporters excited at the prospect of challenging on a level playing field might just balance out - no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
My take would be that if they disappeared altogether then potentially the SPL is maintained as a 12 team league by promotion from Div 1 and no relegation. That would then create a vacancy in the SFL which a newco huns could apply for, but so could Spartans, Gala Fairydean etc. and no guarantee they get in. Regardless of who does get that SFL place, huns are more likely to be reincarnated through buying and renaming/relocating an existing SFL team, in the same way as Airdrie did with Clydebank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
The ones that are not going to buy season tickets because they are being asked to pay for credit terms or other ones?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by MCameron
You are probably right with your calculations, but it's the medicine thats making you sick IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere, but if Rangers go bust and try to start again does it definitely go to a club vote? As per the SPL rules quoted before, and Doncaster on the radio earlier, is the share not automatically transferred onto the new company who would take up the SPL position? And the only ones potentially making a decision on that would be the SPL board? As in Topping, Doncaster, Riley (Celtc), Thompson (Dundee Utd), Weir (Motherwell) and Brown (St Johnstone). Or maybe I'm reading it wrong.
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Originally Posted by TornadoHibby
I dunno, mate. But SPL or extinction for any newco sounds strange.
My understanding is that if they are sold on to a new owner from their current administration then yes, they would retain SPL membership.Quote:
Originally Posted by millarco
If they go into liquidation then Rangers as it's current entity cease to exist and therefore lose their membership.
Would Broadfoot, Hutton, Ness, & Little really be out our price range?
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Vivas Schola Regia !
Depends how many Season tickets we shift.:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by West Upper Pie
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Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
14. If:- (i) a Member shall cease to be entitled to hold a Share; or (ii) a trustee in sequestration, manager, receiver or administrative receiver shall be appointed in respect of a Member or any property of a Member, or an administration order shall be made in respect of a Member or any property of a Member or an order shall be made or an 9 effective resolution passed for the winding up of a Member otherwise than for the purpose of reconstruction or amalgamation;
then that Member or its manager, receiver, administrative receiver, administrator or liquidator or any other person entitled to the Share shall, on receiving notice in writing from the Board following the Company in General Meeting passing a Qualified Resolution that such notice should be issued by the Board and confirming the identity of the proposed transferee, transfer its Share to such ther person as the Board shall direct at the price of £1 and the Club owned and operated by such Member shall forthwith cease to be a member of the League and the Club owned and operated by the transferee shall become a member of the League in its place.
Again probably reading that wrong but if a phoenix company were formed could Duff and Phelps not transfer the share (effectively league membership) to the new company and they would then hold a place in the SPL?
See on Twitter Chris mclaughlin saying delay tonight is 2 or 3 high earners not agreeing to the pay cut.
I would have thought there would only be 2 or 3 'high earners', mcgregor, Davis and whittaker? Can we take from those three will be leaving?
Is Petrie on this debate tonigh?t, was going to watch it anyway but I'm interested to see what he's got to say about this, a man of his impeccable financial ability the shenanigans at hunbrox will have his mind boggled:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Golden Bear
They also said that rangers players would be shown the door last Wednesday, then Friday, and again this Monday, yet here we are on a Tuesday night, and only 2 players have volunteered to leave :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by stokesmessiah
Not convinced he is anything other than an unimaginative, tight-arse, who failed to support success and has squandered our strong position on the second rate. I worry about our own financial position.Quote:
Originally Posted by HibeeSince85
So you had that slipper then ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
If you had a good Aberdeen side, then they would fill the void left by Rangers :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by A Regulator
Did you not see the smiley?Quote:
Originally Posted by sahib
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aleksandr Orlov
" Duff & Phelps have been meeting the squad in a last-ditch attempt to agree on wage cuts as the club strives to make monthly savings of £1m.
Some players have agreed reduced terms to stay but with incentives.
These include free transfers in the summer or being allowed to leave for reasonable offers.
If agreement is reached, high earners could face wage cuts of 75%, middle earners 50% and other players 25%."
BBC SPORT
The players/agents aren't daft !!
Leave/walk away now and what are the chances of getting a club ? They have nothing to bargain with re wages.
Read what Wylde said in his interview
Better surely to say put get a " living wage" until the end of the season - £ 5000 a week although a lot less than £ 20000 is better than ZERO
They can then accept a free transfer , negotiate a decent signing on fee, probably worth six figures ( no transfer fee), and they are back earning mega bucks again :rolleyes:
Apparently McGregor's lawyer has issued a statement saying his client is not one of the three 'refusees'.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Shamelessly stolen from comments section on TPPKATDR**
"As i was walking down the copeland rd
I met a total stranger
And he said to me are you going to see
The famous glasgow rangers.
I said im off to buy some bread
and litter for the kitten
They are no more
Just a tesco store
And the owners aff tae prison"
** The Paper Previously Known As The Daily Ranger :wink:
Presumably the bottom club would vote 'no' (Dunfermline or Hibs?).Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Todd
The other most likely to vote 'no' would come from those clubs opposing the 10-team SPL. Dundee United and Hearts spring to mind. Celtic are also a fair bet to vote 'no' given the opinions of their supporters and the opportunity they would have to bag some silverware. Aberdeen also have a lot of 'issues' with Rangers.
Even if the SPL heirachy want to retain Rangers, it could be a problem mustering the votes.
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Originally Posted by bingo70
Naismith and McCulloch big earners too and Lafferty will be on a good wage as well.
Quote from the 'tache.
During tonight's BBC Scotland programme, Scottish Football: The Debate, Petrie said: "Scottish football needs successful clubs who are well-managed.
"There are a lot of clubs in the SPL who have taken their own share of pain and have budgets and who have adhered to their budgets.
"The thing that needs to be maintained right throughout is sporting integrity.
"We need to ensure that the competition is fair.
"Each club has its own budgets and its own resources. If you have a plan and can finance it then fine.
"The important thing is sporting integrity and we have to make sure that the competition is balanced and fair.
"We are going to see Rangers continue to play with a depleted squad against clubs who they played against earlier in the season when they had a stronger squad.
"We need to make sure the fixtures are fulfilled and it is a fair and balanced competition."
Hedging his bets publically, but the emphasis on sporting integrity is encouraging. Let's hope he speaks for us all when the time comes.
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Originally Posted by Seveno
Many times - did me no harm. :greengrin
Not read through all the pages but Scoopyboy understands Naismith and Lafferty are two of the three.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Don't know the third but its not McGregor.
Sorry if already posted.
Whittaker perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
I'm thinking maybe Broadfoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
The Herald is saying that the players' proposal was to have reduced wages for one month only, then go back to full wages from the following month
They don't seem to get the "need to save 1M every month" issue, do they.
Sorry I missed that. I was being at bit too harsh, anyway. I suppose we could have done worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by HibeeSince85
Why don't they just start sacking them, surely this is part of the administrators job?
Just had a listen again to tonight's Sportsound, and they are one hundred per cent clear about the consequences of liquidation: It's newco in the SPL or extinct. No SFL option. Wee Chick trying to get his words out through the tears. Had to chuckle when he reformed Rangers as Govan United.
Forget any prospect off the accounts being made available before 31st March or any interested buyers coming forward before the 16th.
Music to my green and white ears.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
does anyone have a link to the scottish football debate on bbc 1 just now? cant watch it on my tv need to on the laptop though.
Rod hit the nail on the head there :agree:
Okay I'm back.
I'm more than a little concerned that so many fellow netters seem to have tasted the same corporal punishment from the same Latin teacher as me. There is a clear pattern here.
In other news, nobody seems to have mentioned the interview with our own Amanda Jones earlier this evening. What she said was very enlightening. I was driving at the time, so couldn't write it all down, but from memory she was saying:-
1. employment law doesn't stop just because of administration. That's a fundamental issue.
2. as the admins have said, they can't force wage cuts on players.
3. as the players are on fixed term contracts, it is unlikely that there will be any redundancy provisions in there.
4. as a result of 3, players would be entitled to sue for what is due on the remaining portion of their contract, if they were simply told to leave.
5. notwithstanding 4, it would be normal to have a negotiated settlement in these situations.
She also sympathised with the job of the admins. Being a football person, she understands the issues. The undercurrent was, if I understood her right, that the admins are doing this bit by the book.
I have dealt with Amanda a couple of times, and she knows her stuff.
Hearing Jim, James, Traynor saying that the SPL needs a strong Old Firm or the game won't thrive. IIRC the last time we had a situation where we had a weak Old Firm, both Aberdeen and Dundee Utd nearly won the European Cup.
Well I'm certainly happy with Rods opening statement. Asked whether Scottish football needs a strong Rangers and basically responded that Not if they are cheating bar stewards
Spot on. Someone let this slip on a radio show last week.
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Originally Posted by scoopyboy
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Originally Posted by FranckSuzy
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibby70
I think it's pretty clear what the official Hibs view is going to be on this :greengrin
If the huns are in the SPL debt free and points deduction-free next season then i'll not be renewing my ST. What would be the point going back as it would be conceding one rule for the OF and one for every other team in Scotland. Rangers could simply do the same thing in 10 years time. The thought of the away end at ER filled with bluenoses belting out their triumphalist bile after starting season 12/13 on a level playing field with Hibs is sickening. Stand firm Petrie, huns out!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Rod looks really uncomfortable between those yam fuds, poor man hope he's on a decent wage for this crap.
From the BBC:-
There is a statement by administrator David Whitehouse on the Rangers website: "Today has been a very frustrating day. Earlier in the day, we believed we had agreed in principle a basis of cost-cutting measures with the players accepting substantial pay cuts and we are very grateful for their efforts in reaching that point.
"Sadly this evening we have been unable to reach agreement on the personal conditions sought by the advisors to the players in respect of those wage cuts.
"There is still some hope these issues can be resolved first thing in the morning but it is extremely disappointing we haven't been able to get there tonight."
Agreed, say enough is enough and if you cannot make a decision then we will make the decision for you. Is that not why an admin is appointed to make difficult decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Westie1875
They can't just do that. Read my earlier post about Amanda Jones' opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
So they can't make compulsary redundencies without risk of being sued for remainder of contract? What about the mass redundencies that have followed previous examples of administration?Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I don't know about them, because I didn't follow them that closely. However, although early redundancies were made at Livi and Motherwell, that doesn't mean that legal action didn't follow. Those situations weren't played out under the scrutiny that the Rangers one is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba