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Stuffing their own fans now, as well as HMRC and their suppliers? I presume the debenture holders will now be due something in the pound?Quote:
Originally Posted by Prof. ****gy
I wonder if the money debenture holders put in, was greater than Mr Green paid for the ground?
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Originally Posted by green glory
As far as their ranking for repayment is concerned this sounds right, but it does underline they are a newco and, as one Hun inferred in his post, their history also died with them.
And as for this...
"Sort it out Rangers, we are NOT a newco."
I think you'll find...:agree:
And there's more good news for the slavering hordes;
@alextomo: RFC have been sent Letter Before Claim - am told it's accompanied by more than 330 pages of evidence....
@alextomo: QCs acting for CW team on no win no fee. Court action "absolutely inevitable" if no settlement am told.
Craig Whyte finally making his move.
£3,629.63 for stationary and postage..................please tell me this was all done just before Christmas :not worth
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Originally Posted by green glory
About time. I hope those rats signing for them get burned by another admin and collapse. Superb if so.
It was indeed - £7.736m.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
New blog from Alex Thomson.
http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thoms...er-action/4906
I thought all footballing debts had to be paid as one of the conditions for a licence? Man city and rapid Vienna are on that list.Quote:
Originally Posted by poolman
Seems like Whyte is after £130K - after all his bluster this is small beer.Quote:
Originally Posted by green glory
That list is from May 2012Quote:
Originally Posted by HFCDaveA
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Originally Posted by poolman
Would have thought it was way more than that :faf:Quote:
Shred-it Glasgow £444
I was under the impression that he was also after The Rangers assets? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by hibs0666
Wasn't he saying that it was he that brokered the deal with Duff and Phelps for the assets and that Charlieboy was just the front?
Yup. They will join the queue of creditors in the liquidation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
However, that pot is shrinking:-
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/h...hed.1369813836
The actual report:-
http://www.bdo.uk.com/services/advis...lc-liquidation
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
As the estimated amount available has been plundered yet again (this time by BDO), they're not going to get many pennies in the pound.
After the latest smash and grab, we're now down to 1.3 million.... and I don't imagine they've finished yet
EDIT: You beat me to it :wink:
That's not what BDO are saying, though. They are saying it's too soon to make an estimate about dividends, as there are a number of legal cases in progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by keekaboo
My concern, though, is that they will run out of funds before those cases can be concluded.
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Well at 200k per month, they've got about 5 months worth of money still to plunder.
I would like to see them actually do something for that money as I've yet to see any evidence of anything useful they've done so far, except take ridiculously high fees.
The legal actions will be progressing and we won't see any evidence of that until or unless they get to Court, or if there are any out-of-Court settlements.Quote:
Originally Posted by keekaboo
had a double take when I saw the headline...Quote:
Originally Posted by poolman
A national disgrace. Shame on them and their "we're still the same club" etc. Their arrogance and lack of remorse for every person on that list affected by their actions. With a bit of luck, huns 2.0 will follow their predecessor down the gary glitterQuote:
Originally Posted by poolman
@STVSport: Walter Smith has been appointed as non-executive chairman of Rangers, replacing Malcolm Murray. More: http://t.co/pShFxq3FJ8
Season tickets about to go on sale by any chance? :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by green glory
This is the first report to creditors from BDO. Loads of reading for those interested....
http://static.bdo.uk.com/assets/docu...2_May_2013.pdf
Yeah, it came out a couple of weeks back.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
In summary, doesn't say much, other than BDO have spent a lot of creditors' money on trying to get a lot more back.
Season tickets still not on sale at Ibrox. Either there is something very wrong at the new club or they are holding out for an invite to SPL 2.
Erm, they are on sale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
http://www.rangers.co.uk/tickets/season-tickets
Ah, ok. Teach me to listen to a complete plonker (my Dad). :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
I really shouldn't have clicked that link. Really wound up now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
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Originally Posted by LancashireHibby
WE ARE THE PEOPLE emblazoned at the bottom. Sectarian arrogance writ LARGE.
You are the lifeblood of this 141 year old institution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
Will that be the same institution that ceased to exist last year?
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Originally Posted by Killiehibbie
McCoist needs a class in UK Insolvency Law. Rangers FC no longer exists.
If you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth.:cb
not if we keep saying otherwise. can tell it hurts and they know its true as well by how much they biteQuote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Quite possibly the first time "McCoist" and "class" have appeared in the same sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeighLoyal
Plenty of interesting reading here:
http://www.scribd.com/CharlotteFakes/documents
... and listening here
https://soundcloud.com/charlotteandthefakes
Email revelations today. Not surprised by a lot of it but very sordid.
https://twitter.com/CharlotteFakes
Anyone who buys the Sun/Record/Scotsman and actually believes the utter spin and complete tosh within these publications needs their heids examined.
The mainstream media in Scotland are a complete sham and disgrace thoughh hopefully wont be mainstream for much longer.
Some of the latest stuff is pretty bad even compared to what's come out before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Treadstone
Interesting audit document not long out, articles 10 and 12 in particular.
The STV agreement quite simply shows our media up for what it is.
Also amusing to see Whyte's lawyer invoicing him 30 minutes for "Deflection of BBC Scotland’s Chick Young."
As for old Craigieboy, you ken you're dealing with a classy guy when his email address ends in .biz :cb
Not sure what all these releases mean, just want to hear his letter before claim is going to court. He's backed by no win no fee representation so Sevco will have a massive legal bill at the very least. :greengrin
"Word reaches me in Japan of arrest warrant issued for Craig Whyte." — Alex Thomson, 2 minutes ago.
I totally missed that earlier in the day.
Not Rangers-related.Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli_619
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...lands-22845906
He should hide out with Mr Romanov and Chechen friends in Moscow.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
:agree:
Aye, I think that's why I'd not seen it. Just seems fitting what with the stuff coming out today. Certainly not doing himself any favours.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
And the court case was about folk stealing from his castle. You couldn't make it up!
Brilliant . Craig Whyte talking to the administrators.
Kyle Bartley caught herpes in Glasgow. 2:30 in.
https://soundcloud.com/charlotteandt...june2012part07
Some of these recordings are dynamite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Treadstone
Hun Class line when they're talking about big Imran: "well, at least he's not a Catholic."Quote:
Originally Posted by green glory
Pretty mundane stuff in today's new leaks, but everyone involved continues to show themselves up for what they are.
From: Jack Irvine <[email protected]>
To: Craig Whyte <[email protected]>
Were you statesmanlike on Rangers TV re sectarianism or did you go for the FTP line as outlined at our boozy dinner in Mayfair?
Jack
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From: Craig Whyte <[email protected]>
To: Jack Irvine <[email protected]>
Lol!! I thought I'd better behave and be statesmanlike!
Right can anyone on here tell me why a rangers supporting friend of mines claims they are still the same club? What are the facts of the whole situation
They have a rather delusional fantasy that the the football club and the plc were separate things, so it was just the company that was liquidated, the club moved to a new company.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seanduff
It's nonsense clearly, UEFA views them as a brand new team, the SFA view them as a brand new team, it's only themselves and elements of the media keen to keep them buying papers that go along with the nonsense.
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Originally Posted by ScottB
A few huns I know claim UEFA view them as the same club as the old one. They say there is something on the UEFA website saying they are.
I know a couple of Huns who still believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy. They are equally wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by overDrive
See this is what I keep being told. One said yesterday that no liquidation occurred. I am also always told that all governing bodies see them as the same club.Quote:
Originally Posted by overDrive
Sevconians have their own reality. As do the Yams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seanduff
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...body-1-2967513
and the point of the transfer embargo?
The point of the transfer embargo is to give sevco the opportunity to walk all over the administrators of the game and show them up for the useless bunch of bankers that they areQuote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
They are the same club in the supporter's minds and hearts. What the law says is irrelevant. We all know that legally they are different. They see it as supporting the same team playing in the same stadium. We would say the same.
Aye lets reconstruct the leagues and while we're at it we can make up a few rules tae help the stickies get round the ban we placed on them, job done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Hackett
The STV sports news last night said that a number of clubs voted for the rule change. So possibly this rule actually benefits the other lower league teams who'd also like to field trialists rather than just bending the rules for the Huns. For once.
Their original signing ban clearly should've been more clearly defined of course, it's been a joke of a "punishment" from day 1.
Odd they never felt the need for this rule before, I wonder who came up with the idea :rolleyes: I wonder what the sweeteners were?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler Durden
aye particulary because day 1 was efter the end of the 1st transfer windae which allowed them tae sign all the players they needed tae win that league at the 1st time of asking.
Well it was supposed tae be a punishment ya ****in' tool.Quote:
McCoist, in mid-March, was resigned to being bottom of the Second Division by the end of August because he believed that he would be prevented from fielding his new signings in the opening fixtures.
When has a manager said before that he might have to put out a team that might lose their first four games of the season?” he asked. "That's the situation and it's madness.
Now they've got rules tae get round it before it ends, ****in' joke, only in this ****in' country. :rolleyes:
To be honest I didn't expect anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
Advertising Standards Authority recently ruled they are the same club
http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudi...DJ_224406.aspx
Lots of lower league clubs use trialists pretty extensively in the early season so this ruling was never about McCoist & co. However if he genuinely said he would lose games because of it then that's ludicrous. He has a full time squad who benefit from the best training facilities around and he's up against teams who train twice a week at night. The only real threat in that league will be Dunfermline whose squad are mainly kids.
McCoist is an absolute bluffer.
The rule about allowing trialists to play in league games isn't for the benefit of Sevco. It's an existing SFL rule which the smaller clubs in the lower divisions have asked to be transferred into the new SPFL.
The part time clubs work with small squads - they can't afford to have many people not in the 16 fielded in a game - so are vulnerable to finding themselves short of players due to injury or suspension. Trialists can be used as a form of short term contract. They also like to get a look at a potential new recruit in a match rather than just in a couple of evening training sessions.
The situation now is exactly what it would have been if the reconstruction hadn't gone ahead. In SFL division 2 clubs always could field a limited number of trialists so the rule isn't there to help one particular club.
Whether the rule existed in the old league or not they are supposedly under a 'transfer embargo :hilarious ' they shouldnae be allowed tae use this rule tae get round that. They are hardly a small struggling lower division outfit with the players they have now that they signed before the farce of a 'transfer embargo :hilarious ' started in the 1st place. Does anybody (other than fat sally of course) really believe they will struggle for a few weeks in the 2nd division with the players they have now. It's still a ****in' joke that the 'transfer embargo :hilarious ' started efter the transfer windae shut. What a punishment that has turned out tae be, that'll ****in' teach them. :rolleyes:
Dan, it doesn't really matter re the Trialists. Rangers are being treated exactly as Montrose or Albion Rovers would have been. You can't change things to make things more difficult just because its Rangers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
As I said earlier, they won't struggle and McCoist is an absolute bluffer.
I really don't care about them. I'm just enjoying the fresh air of the SPL without them until summer 2015.
They were very keen tae change things bending, rewriting and inventing new rules tae allow the stickies tae play in tae the 3rd division in the 1st place, funny it cannae work the other way. If that rule is tae be carried in tae the new set up and a new setup can have new rules it could include a clause the would prevent teams under embargo form using it as a loophole tae get round the ban. Of course that'll never happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyM_1875
Total farce
Allowed tae sign players before the transfer windae closes and the ban comes in tae force.
And now allowed tae use players they intend tae sign as trialists before they're allowed tae actually register them.
****in' joke. transfer embargo :hilarious
Any signing ban should also extend to playing trialists in competitive games or else there is a massive loophole that makes a ban pointless.
This is about setting the correct precedent and not about Sevco Huns. For example the Yams could use this to field a series of trialists next season.
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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
We know that one the 'peepul' McCoist demanded to know names of deciding this 'ban' was a Rangers season book holder in true Andy Davis style.
The whole Sevco/T'Rangers farce has been an exercise in intimidation, corruption and shameless cowardice that goes right to the heart of the games administration. Essentially Scottish football's credibility and reputation, including Scotland as a whole, has been sacrificed on the alter of Sevco Rangers and their horde. They are a new club and company with no corporate history, that's what Insolvency Law says. 141 old years my arse.
Perhaps but where else were they going to go? Like a dose of herpes, Rangers were never going to go away in one foul form or another. .Clubs in our league and Neil Doncaster were hoping they were going to be dumped in division 1 only the SFL wouldn't play ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
I honestly feel that if/when they do get back to whatever our top-league is called by then - THAT'S when 'Armageddon' might take place !!. Fans are enjoying it just now, it might not have improved or got any cheaper but it's just so much nicer and safer without 'Them' - the league has a sort of 'Clean' feeling about it, less filth or morons with a '17th-century mind-set' and songs (well, apart from their traditional 'Business-Partners' !!) - all-round just a better atmosphere. Can you imagine taking your family, kids to a game involving a set of supporters with the world's biggest 'Chip on it's shoulders' and whose websites are full of 'We will have our revenge when we get back' ??Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyM_1875
Allowing lower league clubs to field trialists is sensible and the right thing to do. We can't have res changed just because we think Sevco are getting some sort of advantage. If you look at the restrictions placed in the use of trialists then they are not really gaining much. If the other clubs in their lowly division are happy with that, and it seems they are, then what's the problem?
But if a player is already signed to register with the Huns on September 1st, how can he be deemed to be on trial?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
It's an abuse of the rules IMO.
I'm intrigued as to how this proposed 'revenge' will manifest itself, as any form of boycott will be largely ineffectual. Most clubs have adapted to life without sevco quite comfortably, and their absence at future away games will be welcomed by decent fans countrywideQuote:
Originally Posted by Deansy
So should we totally redefine what a traillist is, possibly to the detriment of other clubs and at some expense, just to further punish Rangers? They are acting within the rules of the league they are in and the the other clubs seem fine with it . As it doesn't affect us why should we be getting so uptight about it other than to satisfy the desire to keep kicking Sevco?Quote:
Originally Posted by Makaveli
Lower league clubs have used the trialist method for years, i'm just happy to see sevco using this rule as you cant play trialists in the SPL. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Nicky Clark and the like are contracted Huns-in-waiting, not genuine trialists. That's the point here — nothing to do with a desire to kick them when they're down.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I don't get your point about hurting other clubs since addressing this loophole would only impact those under registration embargoes (ie those deemed worthy of punishment).
According to the rules they are trialists, whether we like it or not. Changing the rules just to stop Sevco playing them would simply be vindictive. Have the other clubs in their division cried foul?Quote:
Originally Posted by Makaveli
The other teams need the cash the hordes will bring. Kicking up a fuss could lead to boycotts etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Then the rules should be changed and at the set up of a new organisation is the perfect time. What is the point of a transfer embargo when there are rules that allow you tae get round it? The transfer embargo against them was already a ridiculous farce in that it was imposed after the transfer windae shut and they'd been allowed tae sign all the players they needed. What the **** was the point of that other than tae let them off the hook? It was supposed tae be a punishment, instead it's turned in tae a ****in' joke. If the yams end up in the 3rd division will they be allowed tae use trialists tae subvert any embargo placed against them? What a load of ***** and time it was changed. If they cannae get out the division with the players they have then they stay there for another season, that's the punishment bit surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
There isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by overDrive
The only confirmation you would ever get from UEFA that they are the same club or not is if they qualify to play in Europe within 5 years of them last playing Europe (ie they play in Europe in 2016/17 or earlier). Because that would show whether or not they are allocated the club coefficient points gained by the oldco in the seasons before they went bust.
if Rangers had any integrity they wouldnt even consider playing then as trial......wait, what am I saying....
Then make the signing ban apply to trialists as well - it won't affect the vast majority of teams because they're well enough run not to get a ban in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Finally some sanity from the MSM. Britney gets there in the end.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile...4acd2c17f7d8be
The yam meltdown thread is catching up on this one :greengrin
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Originally Posted by NumberSeven
25 pages away :wink:
Just waiting patiently for Whyte to take the tribute act to court and get his money. There will be blood, and it'll be hun and not fenian!
Views have outstripped this thread by over half a millionQuote:
Originally Posted by NumberSeven
Probably thanks to our yam guests, keeps the advertisement funds rolling in. The Huns just aren't as generous in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Hackett
Yep! 400,000 yams would make a difference :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by HH_MYB
Just opened the paper this morning to see the huns parading 6 new signings to launch their new kit, should be fined for openly flaunting the way they are getting round the ban
And unveiling their new team bus. Registration number: R1 WTP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
Stay classy, Sevco.
They're too busy reading and posting undercover on the Celtic sites.Quote:
Originally Posted by HH_MYB
The SFA will be high fiveing and back slapping each other this morning on the success of their policy of issuing 'punishments that aren't punishments' during the whole Rangers/Sevco saga.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
If I had told you a few years ago that Rangers would now be parading journeymen pros signed from assorted SPL clubs as their big summer signings, I don't think you would have believed me. Three years ago they were signing Jelavic for £4M. Even two years ago, just before the crash, they were signing regular US and Romania internationals (Bocanegra and Goian).Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
And Puma have made them a special slopey top like the did for us to help rangers celebrate their decent to the lower divisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
Who they are signing or playing is irrelevant IMO, they've been given a punishment that has turned out tae be nothing of the sort. They were given a transfer ban that started after the transfer windae closed, the standard of player they were allowed/able tae sign may not have been what they used tae but they were still enough tae make sure the strolled out of the 3rd division. If they'd had tae go with what they had, they may well have stayed there, that would have been a punishment. Now they are being allowed tae use rules tae get round the end of the transfer ban so they can gain an advantage in the 2nd division, again using players (assorted SPL or otherwise) that are better than those of their competitors. An absolute farce which sums up Scottish fitba tae a tee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
:faf: :top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by ian cruise
Spot on Dan. Actively and openly conducting full negotiations with players and agents while under a transfer/registration ban and it`s reported by the press as though there is nothing at all wrong with it. Sporting integrity was just a phrase trotted out to pacify rebellious supporters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
When you have an SFA president who was heavily involved in the running of two of the most corrupt, immoral organisations ever in Scottish football and wasn`t even suspended when under investigation for taking EBT payments, it tells you all you need to know about our game.
They really seem to be struggling, not, I thought they were still running up huge losses every month but they can still afford a fancy new bus.
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...-bus-1-2982214
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...rSosx7xVbCpfkQ
The bus will be owned by the coach company (Bruce's) who'll make a packet from it from private hire. Given that the Rangers 'name' is being used, they probably won't even have to pay when they use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by YehButNo But
Still persisting with the five stars on it, as if that proves they're not a newco. Pitiful. They've already convinced themselves, and the rest of the football world knows the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4