Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by H18 SFR

I think perhaps the reader needs to read between the lines here.

Scottish business and commerce have lost faith in the Scot Gov. Mask are essentially irrelevant. There is a wider issue here.

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The statement makes no sense

Bleating about 'all remaining restrictions going' and 'creating confusion' etc

If the only remaining restriction is masks, how does that have a serious impact in all honesty?

"Scottish businesses were looking forward to returning to greater normality and the decision to delay the removal of all remaining Covid-19 restrictions will come as a bitter disappointment."

Greater normality..... We must be a baw hair away from total pre covid normality arnt we?

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

The statement makes no sense

Bleating about 'all remaining restrictions going' and 'creating confusion' etc

If the only remaining restriction is masks, how does that have a serious impact in all honesty?

"Scottish businesses were looking forward to returning to greater normality and the decision to delay the removal of all remaining Covid-19 restrictions will come as a bitter disappointment."

Greater normality..... We must be a baw hair away from total pre covid normality arnt we?

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I think the poster has called it correctly, there is little faith in the business community in the competency of the Scottish Government.

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

The statement makes no sense

Bleating about 'all remaining restrictions going' and 'creating confusion' etc

If the only remaining restriction is masks, how does that have a serious impact in all honesty?

"Scottish businesses were looking forward to returning to greater normality and the decision to delay the removal of all remaining Covid-19 restrictions will come as a bitter disappointment."

Greater normality..... We must be a baw hair away from total pre covid normality arnt we?

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Hence the reason I’m saying read between the line. We are in agreement essentially.

The issue is not mask - irrelevant.

There is a wider issue here. Call it a spat.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

I think the poster has called it correctly, there is little faith in the business community in the competency of the Scottish Government.

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But what has keeping masks as law for 2 weeks got to do with that?

Makes the statement read like my daughter when I tell her at 7.30pm shes no getting a magnum

Was it penned by madame A Budge?

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

But what has keeping masks as law for 2 weeks got to do with that?

Makes the statement read like my daughter when I tell her at 7.30pm shes no getting a magnum

Was it penned by madame A Budge?

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I think Scottish business and commerce are suggesting the FM is also like your daughter.

They’ve lost faith. Pure and simple.

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

The statement makes no sense

Bleating about 'all remaining restrictions going' and 'creating confusion' etc

If the only remaining restriction is masks, how does that have a serious impact in all honesty?

"Scottish businesses were looking forward to returning to greater normality and the decision to delay the removal of all remaining Covid-19 restrictions will come as a bitter disappointment."

Greater normality..... We must be a baw hair away from total pre covid normality arnt we?

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Feels like it was written before the actual announcement

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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998

This tends to be the Covid zealots answer to why the cases have shot up despite masks. Apparently nobody is wearing them and that’s the issue…. Despite them not being worn at all in England and cases are lower.

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Covid zealots? FFS!

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Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2

Masks absolutely stop people from going places. Quite a few of my mates simply wouldn’t bother going into town for example now because they’ve no interest in wearing a mask everywhere they go.

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:greengrin

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

I think the poster has called it correctly, there is little faith in the business community in the competency of the Scottish Government.

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It's not the Scottish "business community", the quote comes from one anti-SNP rentaquote guy who's rolled out every time BBC Scotland want to take a pot shot at ScotGov.

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Originally Posted by grunt

It's not the Scottish "business community", the quote comes from one anti-SNP rentaquote guy who's rolled out every time BBC Scotland want to take a pot shot at ScotGov.

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Firstly, it's not a "guy" it's a lady. And she's the Chief Executive of the Scottish Chamber of Commerce which represents 12,000 businesses across Scotland.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

Firstly, it's not a "guy" it's a lady. And she's the Chief Executive of the Scottish Chamber of Commerce which represents 12,000 businesses across Scotland.

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Why has disagreeing with Scotlands covid stance always assumed to be based on party lines.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

Covid zealots? FFS!

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But “Covidiots” is ok I guess?

Ok… mask zealots.


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Originally Posted by Callum_62

Everywhere they go?

Isn't it literally on entering a pub to your seat?

I might be wrong but nightclubs you don't need one right?

Is be amazed these sort of rules stopped any large portion of people from venturing out

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I more meant the shops etc.

Likewise they’ve not been on holidays as they’ve no interest in wearing a mask for hours on a plane.

Masks stop people doing things.

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Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2

I more meant the shops etc.

Likewise they’ve not been on holidays as they’ve no interest in wearing a mask for hours on a plane.

Masks stop people doing things.

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It's interesting to read some people have such an aversion to wearing a mask that it stops them doing such things as going on holiday

I've always found the mask wearing a small inconvenience and infact thinking of a packed in like sardines peak time train seems generally sensible to wear one anyway, covid or no covid!

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I'll not be casting off my mask for a long time. Especially on the bus.
And if ye sit behind me and start coughing ye'll get a slap across your head.

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Originally Posted by heretoday

I'll not be casting off my mask for a long time. Especially on the bus.
And if ye sit behind me and start coughing ye'll get a slap across your head.

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So you will start touching strangers on the bus?

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

It's interesting to read some people have such an aversion to wearing a mask that it stops them doing such things as going on holiday

I've always found the mask wearing a small inconvenience and infact thinking of a packed in like sardines peak time train seems generally sensible to wear one anyway, covid or no covid!

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Yep. Don’t get me wrong, I’d prefer we were in normal times and didn’t have to bother, but it’s a very small inconvenience for me if going to be helpful in protecting people at all. In fact, using your example, I’d rather be sat on a quiet train with a mask on, than standing on a rammed one mask free (I know they’re not mutually exclusive, just your train image seemed like a good way of showing the levels of discomfort) 😁

Some people (not aimed specifically at .net posters I’ll add) have taken issue with essentially every restriction or piece of guidance from vaccinations to lockdowns, table service to face masks. Some clearly have legitimate arguments, and others just don’t like being told what to do.. or who is doing the telling. However, it definitely feels like we’re in a much better place when you think what our limitations in every day life were like in the two previous years, and given how rife the illness is just now.

It’s been a long slog but we’re getting there. Face masks in shops and transport (which people need to use) for a few extra weeks doesn’t seem like a big ask in the grand scheme of things.

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Originally Posted by WeeRussell

Yep. Don’t get me wrong, I’d prefer we were in normal times and didn’t have to bother, but it’s a very small inconvenience for me if going to be helpful in protecting people at all. In fact, using your example, I’d rather be sat on a quiet train with a mask on, than standing on a rammed one mask free (I know they’re not mutually exclusive, just your train image seemed like a good way of showing the levels of discomfort) 😁

Some people (not aimed specifically at .net posters I’ll add) have taken issue with essentially every restriction or piece of guidance from vaccinations to lockdowns, table service to face masks. Some clearly have legitimate arguments, and others just don’t like being told what to do.. or who is doing the telling. However, it definitely feels like we’re in a much better place when you think what our limitations in every day life were like in the two previous years, and given how rife the illness is just now.

It’s been a long slog but we’re getting there. Face masks in shops and transport (which people need to use) for a few extra weeks doesn’t seem like a big ask in the grand scheme of things.

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It's not a big thing individually but there has umpteen more restrictions than England the last 6 months, the outcome lower cases there. It would be mentally great to feel its over, especially if cases were much less like theirs

I'm totally for any restriction that saves lives. I thought we locked down to late and too lose pre vaccine. Every restriction helped to keep the population safe until vaccines came. Post vaccine England has shown it pointless, seeing they have similar if slightly less excess deaths.

Hong Kong has shown you can have the strictest restrictions in the world but everyone will get it with Omicron. The only thing that will help you is vaccination, mitigations are just delaying the outcome

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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998

So you will start touching strangers on the bus?

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See wearing a mask and frotting, they're practically the same thing :agree:

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

See wearing a mask and frotting, they're practically the same thing :agree:

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Had to Google, wish I hadn't..

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Had to Google, wish I hadn't..

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In general, just rubbing https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/frotteur (eg polishing a floor)

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

It's interesting to read some people have such an aversion to wearing a mask that it stops them doing such things as going on holiday

I've always found the mask wearing a small inconvenience and infact thinking of a packed in like sardines peak time train seems generally sensible to wear one anyway, covid or no covid!

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Generally speaking I’d agree in terms of shops. It’s not THAT bad although I do find myself just wanting to get back out and take my mask off a lot quicker than I used to just want to get out.

Holidays though, whilst I still go on them and think the sacrifice is worth it, I can absolutely see why people have absolutely no inclination to sit for hours in an airport, then hours on a plane, then another half hour in an airport then an hour in a taxi with one on. It’s not an enjoyable experience whatsoever and is a significantly worse experience because of masks imo.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

It's not a big thing individually but there has umpteen more restrictions than England the last 6 months, the outcome lower cases there. It would be mentally great to feel its over, especially if cases were much less like theirs

I'm totally for any restriction that saves lives. I thought we locked down to late and too lose pre vaccine. Every restriction helped to keep the population safe until vaccines came. Post vaccine England has shown it pointless, seeing they have similar if slightly less excess deaths.

Hong Kong has shown you can have the strictest restrictions in the world but everyone will get it with Omicron. The only thing that will help you is vaccination, mitigations are just delaying the outcome

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Yep pretty much.

Everyone has been saying that BA.2 is much more transmissible, but no more dangerous or vaccine resistant, than previous strains so I'm unsure what we're achieving by extending this legal requirement even if it is only for another two weeks.

What happens in 2 weeks' time if we're still seeing extremely high case numbers? Unlike in December with the emergence of the original Omicron variant when we kept hearing Sturgeon referring to dubious studies from Denmark as the reason why we needed additional restrictions until we knew more about it, I heard nothing today which suggests we are delaying the lifting of the mask requirement to allow us to monitor BA.2 to see if it's going to be more dangerous etc so there must be high levels of confidence that it's not more dangerous.

I'm unsure why the "expectation" is for the law to be reduced to guidance from next month if we're still experiencing high infection levels at that point.

What happens then?

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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998

So what you are saying is that mask mandates don’t work? As none of that above is going to change.

And no I won’t be getting any kind of mask. I stopped wearing one roughly a year ago.

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How do you get around, shop or eat out? Just breathe on everyone? Healthy attitude for sure!! 🙄

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

You should really put yourself forward for the Iron Man triathlon


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Or the Darwin award?! 😉

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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998

Why’s that mate?

I have been diagnosed with Ménière’s disease and have been advised by my GP to stop using masks as it triggers it, especially when wearing for any significant period of time.


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A condition that affects your ears?! That's sick!

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Yep pretty much.

Everyone has been saying that BA.2 is much more transmissible, but no more dangerous or vaccine resistant, than previous strains so I'm unsure what we're achieving by extending this legal requirement even if it is only for another two weeks.

What happens in 2 weeks' time if we're still seeing extremely high case numbers? Unlike in December with the emergence of the original Omicron variant when we kept hearing Sturgeon referring to dubious studies from Denmark as the reason why we needed additional restrictions until we knew more about it, I heard nothing today which suggests we are delaying the lifting of the mask requirement to allow us to monitor BA.2 to see if it's going to be more dangerous etc so there must be high levels of confidence that it's not more dangerous.

I'm unsure why the "expectation" is for the law to be reduced to guidance from next month if we're still experiencing high infection levels at that point.

What happens then?

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I suspect it's to get "us" to the Easter holidays when there might be a slowdown in transmission amongst children and their families. We've got a track record of aligning changes to school holidays.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

It's not a big thing individually but there has umpteen more restrictions than England the last 6 months, the outcome lower cases there. It would be mentally great to feel its over, especially if cases were much less like theirs

I'm totally for any restriction that saves lives. I thought we locked down to late and too lose pre vaccine. Every restriction helped to keep the population safe until vaccines came. Post vaccine England has shown it pointless, seeing they have similar if slightly less excess deaths.

Hong Kong has shown you can have the strictest restrictions in the world but everyone will get it with Omicron. The only thing that will help you is vaccination, mitigations are just delaying the outcome

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Just absolute worriers UK! Mean that! Worked in Southern part Africa various places while it was rife, we were vaxxed & it ended up common sense when ye masked or anythin, listen was still odd case but as you got used adapted lost fear it ended up sound. Some cases most not! But lookin at it we had mega lower numbers than UK! & lost - the fear- it was good- & mega tested & vaxxed as we all were etc, it was at they’re insistence masks etc relaxed & as there a while it was sound to just not giving so much thought & energy to something that area rightfully went down the agenda.

A mother died from a "catastrophic" bleed on the brain caused by a rare side-effect of the Covid-19 vaccine, a coroner has concluded.

Kim Lockwood, 34, complained of an excruciating headache eight days after her AstraZeneca jab in March 2021.

Her condition quickly deteriorated and she was pronounced dead 17 hours after being admitted to Rotherham Hospital.

South Yorkshire Coroner Nicola Mundy said Mrs Lockwood had been "extremely unlucky".

At Doncaster Coroner's court, she recorded the cause of death as Vaccine-Induced Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia (VITT) and returned a verdict of misadventure.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-60757293

New Zealand has brought forward plans to reopen its borders to international travellers after a Covid lockout of more than two years.

Australians will be allowed to enter the country without needing to quarantine or isolate from 13 April.

Fully vaccinated travellers from about 60 countries on a visa-waiver list will be able to arrive from 2 May. Those nations include the UK and US.

All arrivals will have to show a negative Covid test.

New Zealand shut its borders in March 2020 as the pandemic spread. They have remained closed, except for a short-lived travel bubble with Australia.

Currently only New Zealand citizens are allowed in and out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-60760435