Coronavirus

[Santa Cruz]

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Is that permitted? I don't think you can simply choose to not wear a mask if you've recently had covid?

I didn't mean it was permitted. I was responding to the suggestion from the OP that people have gave up wearing them due to an acceptance they will be infected regardless. I was thinking most people were wearing them to protect their self and others, so if recently infected they maybe now don't feel they are a/at risk anymore, that's if it is the case that more people have stopped wearing them that work in shops etc.

[Paulie Walnuts]

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Horse has bolted with mask wearing anyway. I hardly see anyone actually adhering to it.

I see a lot of people writing this but I can honestly say that’s not been my experience. The vast, vast majority of people I see still wear them

I’ve actually just come out my local supermarket and didn’t see any adults not wearing one.

[Col2]

I have to say personally I don’t get the mask fallout. I have been critical in recent months of Scot Govt handling and the in particular the December Omicron language used (Armageddon) but I just don’t get the issue wearing a mask in a shop or on the bus or train.

There must be a factual based study that confirms if the masks we wear work against omicron and if they don’t do the FPP3 masks work. If they don’t then fair enough but surely we would know that?

[Col2]

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I see a lot of people writing this but I can honestly say that’s not been my experience. The vast, vast majority of people I see still wear them

I’ve actually just come out my local supermarket and didn’t see any adults not wearing one.

I see the same. Vast majority especially in bigger indoor outlets and maybe less in local shops.

[Santa Cruz]

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I see a lot of people writing this but I can honestly say that’s not been my experience. The vast, vast majority of people I see still wear them

I’ve actually just come out my local supermarket and didn’t see any adults not wearing one.

This is what I'm hearing too. A few people have said compliance has always been low in the local Scotmid, but generally high everywhere else they go.

[Mcbizz1998]

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I see a lot of people writing this but I can honestly say that’s not been my experience. The vast, vast majority of people I see still wear them

I’ve actually just come out my local supermarket and didn’t see any adults not wearing one.

This tends to be the Covid zealots answer to why the cases have shot up despite masks. Apparently nobody is wearing them and that’s the issue…. Despite them not being worn at all in England and cases are lower.

[Sir David Gray]

Commenting on the First Minister’s Covid-19 update to the Scottish Parliament, Dr Liz Cameron CBE, Chief Executive of the Scottish Chambers of Commerce said:

“Scottish businesses were looking forward to returning to greater normality and the decision to delay the removal of all remaining Covid-19 restrictions will come as a bitter disappointment.

“Further delay will put Scotland’s recovery into reverse gear again, create confusion, dent business confidence, putting the buffers on economic growth.

“The Scottish Government’s strategic framework recognises that the success of the vaccine rollout minimises the risk of serious illness and should enable Scotland’s businesses and individuals to begin living and working with increasingly normality alongside the virus.

“Businesses cannot continue to operate with the start-stop lever being pulled just weeks apart, with no clear confirmation as to what the triggers driving decision making are.

“Businesses have invested millions throughout the course of the pandemic to keep their customers and employees safe and with Scotland falling behind other parts of the UK when it comes to the removal of restrictions, putting trust back in individuals and businesses to manage the health and safety of workplace environments and behave sensibly is becoming increasingly overdue.

“The Scottish Government must commit to the removal of all remaining restrictions as soon as possible whilst providing greater detail on what triggers sit behind the decision-making process to protect consumer and business confidence in the meantime.”

https://www.scottishchambers.org.uk/...th-march-2022/

[Mcbizz1998]

Just another piece of political posturing from Sturgeon. Surely nobody can believe she is following any kind of science?

Masks will be gone at the next review most likely. And in the mean time, will provide virtually no protection to anyone.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Will be the masks, even though in Germany you need to wear FFP2 and they had much higher cases this winter than England, Japan the highest estimated mask wearers who had much higher cases than England, Hong Kong some of the strictest restrictions in the world much higher cases than England, Scotland much higher cases than England....

[WeeRussell]

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Just another piece of political posturing from Sturgeon. Surely nobody can believe she is following any kind of science?

Masks will be gone at the next review most likely. And in the mean time, will provide virtually no protection to anyone.

I think lots of people (including me) believe there’s some sort of science/logic behind mask-wearing helping stopping the spread of a virus spread by our breathe.

[Since90+2]

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I think lots of people (including me) believe there’s some sort of science/logic behind mask-wearing helping stopping the spread of a virus spread by our breathe.

The real world evidence doesn't seem to point to that though.

[Mcbizz1998]

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The real world evidence doesn't seem to point to that though.

Well yeah, exactly. They are clearly not working.

[Sir David Gray]

109,802 cases and 200 deaths registered in the UK today.

* Newly-reported cases, deaths, tests and vaccinations for Scotland cover several days.

Because of the technical issue affecting Public Health Scotland reporting yesterday, today's newly-reported cases, deaths and tests cover new reports since Saturday 12 March. Newly-reported vaccinations cover the period since Friday 11 March.

[JeMeSouviens]

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The real world evidence doesn't seem to point to that though.

Whenever it's studied properly, it does.

https://www.ds.mpg.de/3840815/220121_omicronMaskEB

There's no point saying, Scotland has masks, England doesn't and they have less infections so masks don't work, when:

- English health guidance is masks and many do use them
- they are mandatory in Scotland but lots don't use them
- there are different variants with different transmissibility circulating
- the actually mandated "cloth face covering" is nowhere near as good as ffp2 etc masks that are cheap and easy to get on amazon etc

Anyway, all that aside (as I never get tired of repeating myself), cloth masks are rubbish, get FFP2/3 N95/KN95, and make sure they fit.

[greenlex]

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The real world evidence doesn't seem to point to that though.

There is no real evidence that they make no difference. Real world or not. To believe that restricting the volume of indeed the force at which people breath doesn’t help is bonkers. The virus doesn’t just spread through this vehicle but it simply must help reduce its spread through this method. Touching infected surfaces and getting it that way will be more prevalent. Forget about face coverings for a minute and think about how many times you see folk actually using hand sanitiser in public these days. Personal hygiene has long but all been abandoned everywhere. If folk don’t want to wear a face covering then get in with it but there seems to be a rush to somewhat ridicule folk that think that they help want to continue IMO.

[Santa Cruz]

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Well yeah, exactly. They are clearly not working.

How do you know that wearing one doesn't reduce the severity of how ill a person gets? I would have thought any sort of barrier will at the very least reduce to some degree the viral load a person is exposed to.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Whenever it's studied properly, it does.

https://www.ds.mpg.de/3840815/220121_omicronMaskEB

There's no point saying, Scotland has masks, England doesn't and they have less infections so masks don't work, when:

- English health guidance is masks and many do use them
- they are mandatory in Scotland but lots don't use them
- there are different variants with different transmissibility circulating

Anyway, all that aside (as I never get tired of repeating myself), cloth masks are rubbish, get FFP2/3 N95/KN95, and make sure they fit.

Everyone that's been to England this year will tell you, although mask wearing is dropping in Scotland its still night and day down south. I've been to London and Oxford this year and it was like covid was over. Germany is ffp2 and England has a fraction of cases this year.

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One bit of encouragement is Hong Kong like Denmark had a ba2 wave that went straight up and down, so will probably drop in the uk in a few weeks. It's rising everywhere in Europe but won't last

[Stairway 2 7]

Just noticed Germany is on 200,000 a day average cases from just an average of 250,000 tests!! Must be the ffp2 masks

[WeeRussell]

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The real world evidence doesn't seem to point to that though.

Real world as in hibs.net posters who don’t like wearing masks?

[Since90+2]

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Just noticed Germany is on 200,000 a day average cases from just an average of 250,000 tests!! Must be the ffp2 masks

Yip, more really world evidence that masks don't make any difference when dealing with Omicron.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Real world as in hibs.net posters who don’t like wearing masks?

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[greenlex]

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Just noticed Germany is on 200,000 a day average cases from just an average of 250,000 tests!! Must be the ffp2 masks

……and again.

[WeeRussell]

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Are masks the only variant in that timeframe?

And does that mean that masks make spreading worse?

[Since90+2]

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Why do we need to use actual real world evidence like that when we can just make cheap comments about .net users?

[WeeRussell]

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There is no real evidence that they make no difference. Real world or not. To believe that restricting the volume of indeed the force at which people breath doesn’t help is bonkers. The virus doesn’t just spread through this vehicle but it simply must help reduce its spread through this method. Touching infected surfaces and getting it that way will be more prevalent. Forget about face coverings for a minute and think about how many times you see folk actually using hand sanitiser in public these days. Personal hygiene has long but all been abandoned everywhere. If folk don’t want to wear a face covering then get in with it but there seems to be a rush to somewhat ridicule folk that think that they help want to continue IMO.

👍 sounds awfy sensible

[WeeRussell]

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Why do we need to use actual real world evidence like that when we can just make cheap comments about .net users?

From the person making patronising “real world” comments. Brilliant.

Okay. S27’s graph shows that masks haven’t helped at all during this pandemic. Little point arguing otherwise.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Are masks the only variant in that timeframe?

And does that mean that masks make spreading worse?

No just probably does f all when it comes to Omicron as Germany, Holland, Hong Kong, Japan and now China are finding out. Its vaccination or nothing for this bad boy

[Since90+2]

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From the person making patronising “real world” comments. Brilliant.

I'm not sure you realise what that term means if you find it patronising. If you wish to be offended though, crack on.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Why do we need to use actual real world evidence like that when we can just make cheap comments about .net users?

Because it's evidence with about a million and one other variables in play? Or put another way, not evidence at all.

As I've already said, I think masks might as well be guidance and some of the places they're mandated, eg. to and from restaurant tables when everybody's sitting for ages unmasked, are just bonkers.

But ... there is a mountain of properly conducted scientific research that proves that they reduce transmission.

[WeeRussell]

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I'm not sure you realise what that term means if you find it patronising. If you wish to be offended though, crack on.

I apologise - you’re right it was the wrong word. I meant to say ‘condescending’.

I don’t think I’ve ever been offended at something written on here but let’s not keep going round in circles as it’ll grow very tiring 👍