Coronavirus

[greenlex]

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I'm not sure you realise what that term means if you find it patronising. If you wish to be offended though, crack on.

You are insinuating that folk that wish to continue to wear face coverings in public are not living in the real world. It’s not that difficult to understand that folk might be a bit pissed with comments like that is it?
This despite the powers that be all over the world that having far more information on the matter are making the decisions they are making. They obviously aren’t doing it for the popularity. There’s a reason for it.
I’m not really tempted to listen to anyone on a football message board over folk with the details and expertise but reserve the right to be offended.

[Stairway 2 7]

All research is done in a lab where they are properly fitted and not touched and also brand new. Real world masks are taken out of pockets. Plus the vast majority of people catch it in the home where there is no masks.

Although Germany has ffp2 masks and still no help and Japan has masking indoor and outdoor and still no help

[Since90+2]

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You are insinuating that folk that wish to continue to wear face coverings in public are not living in the real world. It’s not that difficult to understand that folk might be a bit pissed with comments like that is it?
This despite the powers that be all over the world that having far more information on the matter are making the decisions they are making. They obviously aren’t doing it for the popularity. There’s a reason for it.
I’m not really tempted to listen to anyone on a football message board over folk with the details and expertise but reserve the right to be offended.

Your first sentence is just made up rubbish. I wear a face mask as it's currently mandated by law, I just don't believe they are making a blind bit of difference, as case rates across the UK and indeed other parts of the world show when dealing with Omicron.

[Stairway 2 7]

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You are insinuating that folk that wish to continue to wear face coverings in public are not living in the real world. It’s not that difficult to understand that folk might be a bit passed with comments like that is it?
This despite the powers that be all over the world that having far more information on the matter are making the decisions they are making. They obviously aren’t doing it for the popularity. There’s a reason for it.
I’m not really tempted to listen to anyone on a football message board over folk with the details and expertise but reserve the right to be offended.

Real world doesn't mean that in this context. It means Real world data as in population figures ect rather than lab data.

[Since90+2]

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Real world doesn't mean that in this context. It means Real world data as in population figures ect rather than lab data.

I thought that was pretty obvious TBH.

[Moulin Yarns]

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I think lots of people (including me) believe there’s some sort of science/logic behind mask-wearing helping stopping the spread of a virus spread by our breathe.

Including scientific studies. Even a plain fabric mask reduces transmission by around 60%

[lapsedhibee]

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All research is done in a lab where they are properly fitted and not touched and also brand new. Real world masks are taken out of pockets. Plus the vast majority of people catch it in the home where there is no masks.

Although Germany has ffp2 masks and still no help and Japan has masking indoor and outdoor and still no help

[Stairway 2 7]

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Well you're arguing with ons although I do admit it is estimates. Although it's pretty obvious as most people will catch its from someone then spread to their family

[Stairway 2 7]

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Including scientific studies. Even a plain fabric mask reduces transmission by around 60%

In a lab with 2 static dummies 2 metres apart with brand new mask fitted properly.

In the real world, just get vaccinated
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[lapsedhibee]

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Well you're arguing with ons although I do admit it is estimates. Although it's pretty obvious as most people will catch its from someone then spread to their family

If Putin could be persuaded to flatten some residential areas of Glasgow and Edinburgh, significantly increasing homelessness, Covid cases would shirley decrease to the point where Sturgeon can squeal 'no more masks' (averting the rioting which is imminent as no-one wears them anyway).

[Stairway 2 7]

If it wasn't for lockdowns pre vaccines and then vaccines themselves things would have been brutal, 500,000 dead

@andrew_lilico
Looks like ~90% of people have now had Covid at least once. Remember those analyses telling us that only 20% of people would ever get it? Yeah...not so much... https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?

90% of us getting it over a 12 week period. At 1% death rate, that's >500k dead even with full hospital treatment. Even with only a 5% hospitalisation rate that'd be 2.5m people needing hospital care over the period.
Doesn't even bear thinking about

[Stairway 2 7]

If the pandemic is still going on now, then low deaths this year means actually the total excess deaths from the pandemic is falling in the uk.

COVID-19 Actuaries Response Group
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The Continuous Mortality Investigation (CMI) has published its weekly Mortality Monitor. It covers deaths to 4 March (week 9).

There were 3% fewer deaths this week than if death rates were the same as 2019. So excess deaths fell by 332 in England and Wales this week

CMI calculates 118,700 excess deaths in the UK since the start of the pandemic. The total has fallen by 1,700 in 2022.

Cumulative mortality YTD is 0.6% of a full year's mortality below 2019.


COVID-19 Actuaries Response Group
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The recent gap between calculated excess deaths and the number of COVID deaths (on either the ONS or UKHSA measure) has narrowed significantly this week.

Full report publicly available at https://actuaries.org.uk/system/files/f



The CMI analysis is now out, and as reported here, once age-standardised, deaths were 3% lower this week than in its benchmark year, 2019.

YTD 2022 mortality is the lowest experienced yet

[Mcbizz1998]

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Whenever it's studied properly, it does.

https://www.ds.mpg.de/3840815/220121_omicronMaskEB

There's no point saying, Scotland has masks, England doesn't and they have less infections so masks don't work, when:

- English health guidance is masks and many do use them
- they are mandatory in Scotland but lots don't use them
- there are different variants with different transmissibility circulating
- the actually mandated "cloth face covering" is nowhere near as good as ffp2 etc masks that are cheap and easy to get on amazon etc

Anyway, all that aside (as I never get tired of repeating myself), cloth masks are rubbish, get FFP2/3 N95/KN95, and make sure they fit.

So what you are saying is that mask mandates don’t work? As none of that above is going to change.

And no I won’t be getting any kind of mask. I stopped wearing one roughly a year ago.

[Callum_62]

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Commenting on the First Minister’s Covid-19 update to the Scottish Parliament, Dr Liz Cameron CBE, Chief Executive of the Scottish Chambers of Commerce said:

“Scottish businesses were looking forward to returning to greater normality and the decision to delay the removal of all remaining Covid-19 restrictions will come as a bitter disappointment.

“Further delay will put Scotland’s recovery into reverse gear again, create confusion, dent business confidence, putting the buffers on economic growth.

“The Scottish Government’s strategic framework recognises that the success of the vaccine rollout minimises the risk of serious illness and should enable Scotland’s businesses and individuals to begin living and working with increasingly normality alongside the virus.

“Businesses cannot continue to operate with the start-stop lever being pulled just weeks apart, with no clear confirmation as to what the triggers driving decision making are.

“Businesses have invested millions throughout the course of the pandemic to keep their customers and employees safe and with Scotland falling behind other parts of the UK when it comes to the removal of restrictions, putting trust back in individuals and businesses to manage the health and safety of workplace environments and behave sensibly is becoming increasingly overdue.

“The Scottish Government must commit to the removal of all remaining restrictions as soon as possible whilst providing greater detail on what triggers sit behind the decision-making process to protect consumer and business confidence in the meantime.”

https://www.scottishchambers.org.uk/...th-march-2022/

All that because masks are law for another few weeks?

What else is being restricted?

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[Mcbizz1998]

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Including scientific studies. Even a plain fabric mask reduces transmission by around 60%

[Callum_62]

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And no I won’t be getting any kind of mask. I stopped wearing one roughly a year ago.

You should really put yourself forward for the Iron Man triathlon


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[Paulie Walnuts]

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All that because masks are law for another few weeks?

What else is being restricted?

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Masks absolutely stop people from going places. Quite a few of my mates simply wouldn’t bother going into town for example now because they’ve no interest in wearing a mask everywhere they go. They would have been in town before masks and will probably go back into town after masks.

For all that people go on about “it’s just a mask”, imagine telling people 3 years ago they’d be wearing a mask everywhere. Just because folk have got used to them it doesn’t mean they should now be considered normal or a small sacrifice. The aim is to get back to normal.

[Sir David Gray]

Due to the rising number of Covid-19 cases in hospitals and in the community, NHS Forth Valley has decided to return to essential visiting only at Forth Valley Royal Hospital. This is with immediate effect.

Please be assured the situation will be closely monitored and restrictions will be lifted as soon as it is possible to do so.

Community hospitals and community mental health are remaining at two visitors.

https://nhsforthvalley.com/covid/imp...ding-hospital/

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There's no restrictions in England no masks for months, people forgetting about covid. This year deaths are bellow average there so why would they have any restrictions.

[Mcbizz1998]

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You should really put yourself forward for the Iron Man triathlon


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Why’s that mate?

I have been diagnosed with Ménière’s disease and have been advised by my GP to stop using masks as it triggers it, especially when wearing for any significant period of time.


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[Stairway 2 7]

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Due to the rising number of Covid-19 cases in hospitals and in the community, NHS Forth Valley has decided to return to essential visiting only at Forth Valley Royal Hospital. This is with immediate effect.

Please be assured the situation will be closely monitored and restrictions will be lifted as soon as it is possible to do so.

Community hospitals and community mental health are remaining at two visitors.

https://nhsforthvalley.com/covid/imp...ding-hospital/

Another restriction in Scotland that's not in England, as well as less rules in nursing homes this year than Scotland.

[Callum_62]

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Masks absolutely stop people from going places. Quite a few of my mates simply wouldn’t bother going into town for example now because they’ve no interest in wearing a mask everywhere they go. They would have been in town before masks and will probably go back into town after masks.

For all that people go on about “it’s just a mask”, imagine telling people 3 years ago they’d be wearing a mask everywhere. Just because folk have got used to them it doesn’t mean they should now be considered normal or a small sacrifice. The aim is to get back to normal.

Everywhere they go?

Isn't it literally on entering a pub to your seat?

I might be wrong but nightclubs you don't need one right?

Is be amazed these sort of rules stopped any large portion of people from venturing out

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[goosano]

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There's no restrictions in England no masks for months, people forgetting about covid. This year deaths are bellow average there so why would they have any restrictions.

It is to be expected that this years deaths would be below average. 160,000 or so have died from Covid in the last 3 years and add on the 110,000 excess deaths to get a reasonable estimate of 270,000 deaths in total. These are nearly all vulnerable people who have died prematurely because of the virus. So there is now a much smaller pool of vulnerable people likely to die this year from Covid or other winter respiratoru infections.

[Stairway 2 7]

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It is to be expected that this years deaths would be below average. 160,000 or so have died from Covid in the last 3 years and add on the 110,000 excess deaths to get a reasonable estimate of 270,000 deaths in total. These are nearly all vulnerable people who have died prematurely because of the virus. So there is now a much smaller pool of vulnerable people likely to die this year from Covid or other winter respiratoru infections.

The majority of excess deaths will be covid so you wouldn't add them. Covid definitely shortened lives, thank god for vaccines

[H18 SFR]

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All that because masks are law for another few weeks?

What else is being restricted?

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I think perhaps the reader needs to read between the lines here.

Scottish business and commerce have lost faith in the Scot Gov. Mask are essentially irrelevant. There is a wider issue here.

[Sir David Gray]

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I think perhaps the reader needs to read between the lines here.

Scottish business and commerce have lost faith in the Scot Gov. Mask are essentially irrelevant. There is a wider issue here.

Yep agreed.

[SteveHFC]

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Everywhere they go?

Isn't it literally on entering a pub to your seat?

I might be wrong but nightclubs you don't need one right?

Is be amazed these sort of rules stopped any large portion of people from venturing out

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Was at Club Tropicana 10 days ago and you had to wear a mask when going into the club but able to take off when inside. When leaving the club you didn't have to wear one.

[Callum_62]

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Was at Club Tropicana

Well there's your first mistake...



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[Since90+2]

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Was at Club Tropicana 10 days ago and you had to wear a mask when going into the club but able to take off when inside. When leaving the club you didn't have to wear one.

Which just makes absolutely zero sense at all.

[SteveHFC]

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Well there's your first mistake...



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It has a excellent range of music tbh.