So basically the Red Tory loan vote to the actual Tories has been rescinded. Fair enough.
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So basically the Red Tory loan vote to the actual Tories has been rescinded. Fair enough.
Not sure he'll stand down, but surely, Anas has to take some action, not holding my breath though.Quote:
Originally Posted by McSwanky
Not sure how it works with councils but likely there will be nothing Labour can do about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
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They couldn't remove him from the ballot, and had said he'll have to stand as an independent, so fair play to the local party. That vetting process hits the headlines again though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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SNP biggest winner on the night. People clearly trust them despite hysteria over late boats.
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If I was in charge of the Nasty party I'd put that Dougal Ross guy in as governor of Scotland. Murray is out his depth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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Anyone know turn out estimates
These northern Tories walking their pedigree whippets, smoke Sobriane and wearing Lock & Co flatcaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlesgaeHibby
A solid result for an incumbent government. Think the SNP will be pretty happy.
Looking at the figures briefly it looks like Labour had a good night in Glasgow, not so good elsewhere.
In England, The results in the red wall councils are terrible for Starmer. Newcastle under Lyme in the potteries, the most working class place you can imagine. I have family there, it’s a grim place. The Tories won the parliamentary seat in 2019 for the first time in 100 years. The council also went Tory. Last nights vote was supposed to be a good bell weather. The result? The Tories actually gained two extra councilors there. The Corbyn factor was a cheap excuse, they like Starmer no better. This is being replicated across old industrial areas . It’s basically what went on with Trump winning over rust belt America five years ago. Brexit the xenophobic fly in the ointment. Very very worrying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
Hibs Kids etc Willie McEwan elected for Midlothian council in Penicuik ward.
Dnipro Kids Stevie Carr elected to Perth and Kinross.
Willie must be a good age now. I remember taking my Grandad to his 60th birthday party and that wasn't yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by LewysGot2
A good guy and a big Labour man.
Whenever I read things like this, it just reminds me why we need out of the union pronto.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Ian Jones
@ian_a_jones
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After full results from 195 of the 200 councils holding elections, the net change in seats is:
Con -397
Lab +252
Lib Dems +189
Green +81
SNP +62
PC -3
Ind -215
Others -17
Disappointed that myself and my running partner never flipped the balance in Strathallan, but it was always a huge ask in the Tory stronghold around Gleneagles.
It is going to be a tough gig sharing the ward with 2 Tory councillors, but I did help substantially increase the vote share and knock the incumbent Tory councillor into 3rd place.
Yep. Many people down south are actively approving of people being forced to foodbanks and the destruction of our NHS.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Tubs
I’d rather Scotland had nothing to do with people who hold such extreme views.
Congratulations Steve. I imagine it must feel pretty daunting right now but I’m sure you’ll smash it.[emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieC
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Well done Stevie, the least you deserve after your efforts with Dnipro Kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieC
Well done Stevie. The hard work begins. 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieC
So, what have you done about the bloody roads then Steve?😁Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieC
Driven up and down them every day over the last 4 weeks of campaigning 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Stick
Different class, well doneQuote:
Originally Posted by StevieC
So not concerned about global warming then huh. What’s the matter with using roller skates?:na na:Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieC
Don't think I'd want to roller skate up Cairnie Brae. 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Stick
https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/sta..._0a6-eMD7OaaIw
Interesting thread on the local elections in Scotland.
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I suppose we better put up the final results of the local elections in case someone comes along at a later date to tell us that the second placed party actually won the race. :wink:
Scot 453 Councillors up 22
Lab 282 Councillors up 20
Con 214 Councillors down 63
Ind 152 Councillors down 15
Lib 87 Councillors up 20
Green 35 Councillors up 16
VAC 3 Councillors
Didn't the British Unionist Party win a seat in Lancashire somewhere???Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
I think they did. I just took the figures from the BBC(silly me). They've probably just lumped them in with the Independents, or the Labour party. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
North Lanarkshire. :aok:
Blooming predictive text 😂😂😂Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Are there any rules around the protocol of parties working with each other in an area to get a majority E.g I would have thought that the party with most seats in an area should get first opportunity to agree a coalition then and only then they couldn't agree then other parties have an opportunity to get majority. Are there rules?
I’m discovering it’s more of an etiquette than a specific rule 🙄Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
After negotiations..Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieC
Perth and Kinross will be changing from a Tory led LibDem coalition administration to an SNP minority administration.
Interesting would have thought there would be rules given it appears to happen a lot especially since Proportional representation came in local council electionsQuote:
Originally Posted by StevieC
Should find out today if Edinburgh gets an SNP/Green coalition or a Better Together coalition.
Vote Labour get Tory will be the SNP’s slogan for next election I think.
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Is the alternative option not a Labour minority administration rather than a BT coalition?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
That can only happen with the support of the Tories and Lib Dems.Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
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I don't think anybody can say Edinburgh Council has been well run the last few years.
Local politics should be separated from national politics, I don't think a Labour/Tory/Lib Dem coalition could possibly be any worse run than the state of EC the last few years.
What was badly run by Edinburgh Council in the last 5 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
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Do you drive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Yes, but roadworks are a feature of every city in the UK. I don’t think Edinburgh is any worse than any other big city. There isn’t a driver in Britain that doesn’t say their council is the worst when it comes to road maintenance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
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For 4 years running to 2021 Edinburgh has had the worst road congestion of any city in the whole of the UK, so yes, they are worse than literally every other city in the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...tories-3707852
Labour deal gives jobs to the Tories. [emoji35]
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Will this see the union jack run up above city chambers? Would be a shame.
I don't know, I drive in Manchester regularly and the surrounding areas. I drive in Leeds, Warrington, St Helens and Liverpool. I also to my utter dread, sometimes drive in Edinburgh and although they're all bad, Edinburgh is by far the worst because its just a complete and utter shambles in terms of planning and organisation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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As I posted earlier Edinburgh has the worst congestion in the UK and has for years, the fact it's even worse than London is scandalous. That's a major failing of the SNP lead EC the last few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Jimmy
Should see massive improvements now that the Tories are taking over.[emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
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Let's hope so, I'd like to see my local council improving the conditions of the city for its inhabitants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I really don't care if they are Tory/SNP/Labour or whatever, I get the impression though that some people will be hoping the Tories do as badly as the SNP have done in running EC as a point scoring excercise.
SNP take administration from the Tories in Perth and Kinross.
Immediately announce £104k to the school activities and food initiative for school holidays and £600k towards cost of living poverty in the private rentals sector.
P&K is a council area of big contrasts. A lot of very rich folk and a lot of working poor. Will be great to see policies more focused on those who need help in the area.Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieC
By the way, is Murdo Fraser back from Seville yet? Would be good to ask him how the Queen's 11 did in the Europa Final :greengrin
Even in 'affluent' areas like pitlochry there is a foodbank.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes
Can I ask what committees you are on?Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieC
Ignore that, I have seen the committees. But an independent as provost?! Actually I think having him on board is a good idea.
Really? This person simply thinks that a party that came fifth in the Council elections in Edinburgh, who lost 8 of their previous 17 seats, should not have a casting vote in how the Council is run. But that's just me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
To be honest I don't really care how the administration comes about, I'm not that politically motivated, if they do a better job than the previous SNP council then ultimately that's good for the people of Edinburgh.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I'll leave other people to argue if the council's political allegiance is Blue/Red/Yellow/Orange or whatever, do better than the previous lot did and that's good enough for me.
Wouldn’t be comfortable discussing on a public message board .. made that mistake last month and then saw it copied to Twitter and get out of control 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
No worries, I'll get in touch through official channels if need be. :greengrin I don't think the position of Provost has any more clout but he is one of my councillors.Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieC
Agreed. The roads network in particular is the worst I've known it and the spaces for people programme a shambles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
S27 turnout was 44.8%, down from 46.9% in 2017. Think you asked earlier in the thread, can't muster the effort to look for your OP. Down also in Edinburgh.
West Lothian resident that’s glad to see the immediate impact on roads with the A89 between the arches and Newbridge roundabout finally being sorted. [emoji51]Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
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Wasn't it an SNP/labour council?Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Is that definitely the case, with London apparently having the worst in the world?Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59559863
Remember though, Sarwar promised people they would be better off under labour councils. Up to a grand, not to be sniffed at. Attachment 25876Attachment 25877Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Plenty articles available if you Google "Edinburgh worst congestion". Here's one:Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19007009.edinburgh-named-congested-city-uk-fourth-year-running/#:~:text=Edinburgh%20has%20been%20named%20the,in%2 0peak%20traffic%20in%202021.
Perhaps London has overtaken Edinburgh now, but even if it has, the fact Edinburgh was actually worse than London for 4 years running is indicative of a poorly run council.
It was. Both groups wanted to continue with that arrangement but Sarwar has said no and we now have a completely unsustainable situation were labour will rely on the Tories for every vote. BizarreQuote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
Given how much teaming up with the Tories in Better Together harmed Labour in 2014 it is surprising to see Sarwar doubling down on this and doing it again. A man who constantly complains about the constitution dominating Scottish politics has now made it a condition that his party only works locally with parties that agree with him on the constitution. No matter what else they may differ on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Grieves
Who knows how things will turn out in Edinburgh but this coalition looks unstable especially when the local councillors involved don’t want it but are being forced into it.
I imagine policies like rent control are now dead in the water so it’s not all bad.
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I never knew the SNP tried to do a deal with the Tory's.
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...lellan-3708764
You clearly did not read the article.[emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
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They didn't, the article linked makes that quite clear. They asked to the Tories to abstain and offered nothing in return, as per the the quote from the Tories.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
"So, he and some Green councillors went on manoeuvres to see if the Tory group could be persuaded to come to some accommodation without actually offering anything, which seems a strange way to do business."
"They asked the Tories to abstain". Is that not essentially appealing to the Tories to keep them in power, as if they abstained, the SNP would have stayed on if I'm not mistaken?Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
If you think that's a deal then you seem like the sort of person I could do business with :hilariousQuote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Any Labour voters out there should read that article. [emoji106]
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If you could point to where in my post I said it was a deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
The SNP essentially asked the Tories to keep them in power by abstaining, in theory allowing the Tories to have the casting vote. The exact same thing people are moaning about Labour doing.
Labour are giving them paid, executive positions on the council. The SNP asked them a question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
So exactly the same, but different.
The SNP asked the Tories to keep them in power by abstaining. You might not like that, but however you dress it up thats essentially what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
The SNP asked them to abstain on the basis that they were the largest party, as is the accepted protocol, and offered the Tories nothing in return.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Labour offered them paid executive positions on the council for their support.
If you choose not to accept that it's not a deal, as per James 310 post I responded too, and that it's not completely different then that's fine with me but i'll stick with the actual factual stuff
This is turning out to be the same unsubstantiated argument that the SNP were responsible for Thatcher being elected!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
This ‘not a coalition’ looks very unstable right from the start. What happens if it breaks down? Do we have another election?
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I can't, what does it say? I don't even remember reading 2 EEN articles this week, so no idea why I can't view it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Edit: Apologies, quoted the wrong post. Hope my reply made sense.
Why don't we just hope it works out and the residents have a good and effective council? I'm a supporter of independence, but it seems to be that lots of folk would rather the whole thing was a shambles so they can strike out at the Tories and Labour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
How about let's see if it works out and our day to day lives are a bit easier with a well run council instead of constant political bickering?
:top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Yeah, quite right. Let's completely ignore the democratic process and have the Council run by people that no one voted for. Let's see if it works. Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
No democratic process has been broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
It might be you don't like how the coalition has come about, but no rules have been broken, and that is a fact.
You can either continue to moan and complain about it or hope it works out and support the people now in positions of authority.
This. I’m a member of the Labour Party and I have to say that I’m not exactly happy that the party have made this deal with the Tories (I don’t mind it with the Lib Dems). I’m willing to see how it goes though in the hope the mess Edinburgh finds itself in is improved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
They really need to codify the principle that the party with the most seats gets first refusal at trying to form either a coalition or a minority administration though. That should have been done when STV was introduced.
Not unsubstantiated…fact was the SNP MPs crossed the floor and sided with the Tories in a vote of no confidence against Callaghan which resulted in a general election which Thatcher won. Before you start, I am fully aware that Labour and Liberal MPs also crossed the floor. However without the 11 SNPs the Tories would not have had a majority to force said election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Perhaps there has been no process which has been broken, but what about the principle? Do you think those who voted Labour - on a promise that Labour would not enter into coalition with anyone - would ever wish to see their vote used to give power to the Tories?Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Also, what is your hope for success based on? Which policy areas do you think the Tories and Labour will ever agree on?
Thanks for confirming my impression that Labour supporter would not be happy with this..Quote:
Originally Posted by overdrive
I'm intrigued, what action / policy / principle of the Tories gives you hope that their involvement in running Edinburgh will improve things? Presumably if you thought having the Tories run the city you would have voted for them in the first place?
It's not really based on anything to be honest, I'm not saying they'll be a success, I'm simply saying I hope they are as it will benefit the people of Edinburgh. Surely, ultimately that is what the end aim should be?Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
There are people who would genuinely rather see it fail so they can shout 'Tory Bad!, Labour Bad!". They might not outwardly admit it but they are so engrossed in Tory hating and independence supporting they'd prefer that to it being a success.
I hope you're right. We all hope for better times ahead - we're Hibs fans after all - but I can't see that having the Tories involved in running Edinburgh augurs well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
The Tories are not running Edinburgh council though, they are part of a 3 party coalition.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I'm not fussed at local level what coalitions are formed, what's important is improving services. If they all stopped the political point scoring and worked together to do the jobs they are actually elected to do, I'm sure they would achieve much more. Agree with your point about the current system needing reformed.Quote:
Originally Posted by overdrive
A vote of no confidence which won by 1 vote. Note that the SNP were 11 Liberal Democrats 13 as well as the Northern Ireland unionist parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Let's not kid ourselves that a minority government stood a chance of winning a vote of no confidence after the Labour Party scuppered the first devolution vote.
Tut tut. This is NOT a coalition. [emoji849]Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
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And we're back to the political point scoring again...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I wish the new Labour, Lib Dem, Tory ‘not a coalition’ well. I have to live here after all. It’s ok to be a little concerned that this ‘not a coalition’ looks a little bit shaky at the outset and feel a little disappointed that a more stable actual coalition couldn’t have been formed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
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The SNP and Greens have 29 seats, the non coalition of Labour/LD/Tory's have 34 seats. So if anything the SNP/Greens one would have been even more shaky and unstable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It was. Labour will now carry the can for Edinburgh's woes. They're in charge. Let's hope they are few and far between.Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
Really…. your memory must be slipping, I recall the distain for the Tartan Tories for their behaviour and if I believe 9 lost their seats at the election..but you can dress it up as SNP goooooood as much as you wantQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I was more thinking an SNP/Labour/Green coalition.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
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You can play the numbers game all you like with this, but to say 11 is bigger than 13 is a new labour low. 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Back to school for you. 📚
If only Callaghan had allowed his labour MP, Sir Alfred Broughton to travel and vote from his ambulance in speakers court, he'd have won the vote. Broughton wanted to vote, but Callaghan wouldn't let him. Broughton died shortly after on April 2nd
Or if the pairing of Bernard Weatherill had stood, instead of the labour whip allowing him to vote, Callaghan would have survived.
Too many labour peeps wanting to pin it on the dastardly SNP, instead of looking at their own house first.
All this before you even have a look at the Ulster unionists and the pipeline to Ireland.
I suspect a number of the SNP councillors are also quite upset at losing the extra money that comes with the positions of power. Adam McVey for example has gone from nearly £60K a year to about £20K a year, that's going to hurt.
Deflect deflect …. Not the SNP … look over there it’s all their fault….I also mentioned on my original response about Labour and liberal MPs crossing the chamber along with the Tartan ToriesQuote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7