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Also many Rangers fans not taking up season tickets as they don't trust Green and are not sure where their money will end up.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnrebus
Will Rangers be able to afford paying their players and the upkeep of Ibrox & Murray Park in the coming months, I very much doubt it. :thumbsup:
Spot on! This guy has just parked his bum in the Ibrox hot seat and starts complaining about bigotry. Maybe he should've spent a little bit longer reading up on the old Rangers history and their 'traditions'. Alternatively, if he'd spent 5 minutes in the company of Ian Durrant he would've been left in no doubt just what he's let himself in for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil MaGlass
Stewart Regan, Guy Fawkes. All infidels probably seem the same to Huns.
If he'd have used the word 'prejudice' he could have claimed he was talking about anti-club bias. But the B word leaves no room for doubt. Hes bashing the bead-rattlers. Disgusting and disgraceful.
The boy at the top left is praying!! Must be a "tarrier" infiltrator....... :duck:Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
I dont know who he is, but to be fair to him, he looks totally embarrassed about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HibbiesandtheBaddies
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Originally Posted by The Harp
I suspect he's following Sally's latest dummy spitting routine with one of his own to endear himself to the Orc legions. No doubt they will lap it up and forget he fronts a consortium no more credible than Craig Whyte. Reality is he's not got a pot to pish in and his tainted brand are going to struggle to survive in Div 3. I suspect that's the real reason for his outbursts: that he knows his whole corrupt to the core newco edifice, minus any credit line, could collapse again very quickly especially if the Orcs don't buy enough newco books. We also still don't know if BDO are going to object to the Sevco transaction and neither does he. I hope they do and pull the rug from the chancer and the whole rotten lot.
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Originally Posted by The Green Goblin
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Originally Posted by FalkirkHibby
Agree with everything you say, but why get upset about Green? He is brilliant, exactly the sort of character you want in charge of the Hun.
All he wants is money for himself, no morals, no scruples, he would sell his granny for a few bob and then steal her back to sell again. The mouldering corpse of Rangers is lying in the grave, all we are waiting for is for someone or something to ram the stake right through its putrid heart and be done with it all.
By Christmas they will be gone forever.
You have to admit that Charles Green does irony better than most, only outdone yesterday at the game when the knuckle draggers belted out the old, 'No-one likes us, we don't care!', mantra, after spending the last five months bleating about how they've finally noticed that no-one likes them!Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
It wasn't all bad news for Sevco yesterday though, credit where credit is due, I thought they did very well against higher league opposition and acquitted themselves very well on the day. Have to say I don't think the media have given them nearly enough credit for yesterdays giant killing result, and I think they will be an asset to the SFL Div 3. They could be the surprise package in that division this year, and it was good to see players of the calibre of Lee McCulloch and Kirk Broadfoot looking as if they had played at that level all their careers.
Just listened to the Green 'bigotry' interview on the BBC website, genuinely think a large part of the problem with him is that he is just not very intelligent.
Listen to the interview, struggling to find the vocabulary to express himself and flying of at tangents when the interviewer specifically asks him to expand upon the bigotry chat.
Every time i listen to him he reminds me more and more of George Bush, i look forward to his "fool me once shame on me/you" speech following the next Hampden meeting.
You're right as well. Thats Smith in the blonde wig. Its what he wears when not on official duty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
Cant say I blame them tbh. Green has shown that he has very little knowledge of Scottish Football and that he does not possess the neccessary skills to be chairman of that club. Wrong words said in haste can have dire and bloody consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by YehButNo But
The man is clearly a buffoon.
And that's Green and McCoist's PR adviser to his/her right. She's been telling them both to grow up a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser1962
I can't believe Green came out with the bigotry comments. It's shocking that Anyone in such a prominent position would make such a ludicrous statement.
I fail to see how Catholics are the reason for them being caught cheating for 15 years.
I hope the SFA or whoever throw the book at him.
I heard a snipit on the STV news tonight with Greene trumpeting on about Rangers being debt free and self sustaining by the end of this season when every other SPL team will be in debt.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrenSQH
It's like WTF!!! Does he not understand how Rangers or what ever they are called these days have managed to off load around £130M worth of debt? Also Rangers are not an SPL team, so why is he making references to that league?
Over the last few weeks I've increasingly heard him on the radio or watched him on the TV and he seems to have a built in ability to spout delusional utter bollocks :Ummm:
Now he is walking a dangerous line by involving the words 'bigotry' in his ramblings. In a previous post I did a bit of research and I think something like 15% of the population of Scotland consider themselves to be Roman Catholic. The SPL protest online poll website that had over 16000 people register their views as to whether the NewHuns should be allowed into the SPL had I think, IIRC, something an average 82.5% 'No' vote from fans of all the SPL teams.
For someone who has been a director of over 30 companies over the years you would think this guy could figure out that 15% is not 82.5%. With this in mind I can only think that:
- Charles Green is thick as two short planks but thinks he's clever
- or he thinks that 82.5% of Scottish football fans are Roman Catholics
- or he deliberately used the bigotry word to inflame the very worst orc element into burning down the nearest football stadium
If it is the latter then he should be reported to the Racial Equality Commission and possibly the Police.:rules:
http://www.wicked-stuff.com.au/old/s...eshow-15-l.jpg
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Originally Posted by Sprouleflyer
He is patronising and trying to ingratiate himself with the Hun bigot brigade and thinks this kind of behaviour will persuade the newco thickos to buy season tickets. His judgement is appalling.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrenSQH
I like how Green went to UEFA and claimed 'these are not my debts' in reference to the trail of unpaid football monies, but no sooner is he off the plane than he's telling the Orc feeding weegia that his newco Rangers are the same as the oldco Rangers and nobody can ever change it! So all the mountain of debt has nothing to do with him, but the trophy haul this ill gotten £140m bought the oldco are all his to keep. It's like a drugs dealer keeping his mansions and Ferrari's after being caught red handed with a mountain of dope. Proceeds of crime, Chucky, and you don't get to keep them. :agree:
I think that we can assume that every utterance that comes out of the mouth of Greene or McCoist is purely designed to sell more STs, no matter how crass, inflammatory or delusional the words might be.
These really are vile people amd the sooner their vile institution finally dies, the better.
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Originally Posted by Jim44
They need to or they are in big trouble.
Do not hold your breath. http://twitpic.com/adm7a9 At least the media are picking up his stupid comments, lets hope the SFA follow this through.
Sad to see the Rangers Tax Case blogger has wrapped it up. Slightly annoyed given I think there is still more scandal on the EBT scam to emerge, but thanks for giving us all some facts that the shameful weegia were trying to cover up.
Yesterday Super Ersehole was bemoaning the fact he couldn't play Little or Black as though they had signed they were ineligible so he played them as trialists. Surely you can't give a trial to players already on your books?
Was the £5.5m he used to purchase £131m worth of assetts not a loan which is repayable in full?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprouleflyer
Sevco 5088 has a share capital of £1 and Sevco Scotland's is £2, so unless there was a huge share premium (highly unlikely) the £5.5m has to be a loan. There are no debentures registered either so the loan is not fixed-term and is unlikely to be long-term.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser1962
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Originally Posted by matty_f
I thought that myself but can't see anything in the rule book to define a trialist as a free agent or anything. Its certainly bending the rules in the extreme.
Perhaps the SFA could charge them with " not acting with the utmost good faith " like they were going to hit the Yams with for being a day late in paying wages back in January.
I won't hold my breath though, the poor wee lambs have been punished enough. :greengrin
The SFA have called on Green to account for his 'bigot' remarks and if he doesn't respond by 7th August he will be fined. Good on them for that but the Scotsman article goes on to say that Celtic were asked to comment on Green's remarks but refused to comment. Why the hell were they approached? Was it because of their renowned expertise in bigotry?
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Originally Posted by FalkirkHibby
Do not despair.
Paul McConville is still in full flow at, 'Scotslawthoughts'.
:greengrin
As one of the most likely targets of Green's remarks probably. They are wise not to comment either as anything they do say will be jumped on by the blue hordes in another tit for tat slanging match. (We're not bigots you are, no we're not, you are etc etc etc. )Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Here's the Bears take on it.... it's US that are the bigots, not them!Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
"I'm pretty sure we could all find numerous instances to prove this from other clubs forums!....after all it was the mob rule of the fans that made the decision for the SPL club chairmen to no vote us into the SP Hell."
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Originally Posted by FalkirkHibby
However it seems the vast majority of the loyal don't make the same connection as the rest of the population and perhaps won't until there are some prosecutions of those who benefitted financially from the fraud. I'm not advocating that we should follow Iran's lead today by passing down the death penalty for fraud, not at all :turnevil:
:agree: Some of us call them Huns, so we must be the bigots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Alf R
Disappointing, given that it and its posters have been hinting at 'something nuclear' that was still to come...Quote:
Originally Posted by FalkirkHibby
To be fair, the BTC is a bit of an irrelevance now. Whatever the outcome, it will have little (if any) effect on RFC or Sevco.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottB
There was much suggestion of potential criminal investigations and the like into various 'Rangers men' just seems strange to start hinting at that information, then pulling the plug.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Still, the blog did a solid job in getting us to where we are now.
I have heard nothing about this and it seems increible that it happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
Why were they ineligible and how did they manage to still play them?
That may yet happen, but it would be as the result of BDO's investigation into the conduct of the directors of RFC. They, personally, would be liable for anything that comes out of that.... the companies themselves wouldn't be affected.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottB
Where the BTC would have significance is in the dividend available to the other creditors.
It is now that I really despair of the Scottish press and media.
There are so many obvious questions that need to be asked,
1. If as Green says, the new Rangers is a debt free 'newco', then why are they even bothering to lay claim to the dead clubs history, titles, cups etc?
The SFA needs to come out and state categorically that this Rangers is a new Rangers and they have no history. They cannot have it both ways. Rangers must then issue a statement accepting this.
2. Why have the SFA ignored its own rules about any new club having three years audited accounts before being admitted?
3. One of the arguements, even from Hun fans, was a go at the SPL/SFA for not doing 'due dilligence' checks on Whyte before he took over from Murray.
Yet we do not know who these people in the Rangers consortium are! And there has never been - to my knowledge - any firm disclosure as to who really owns Ibrox and Murray Park!
Important fundimental issues are brushed aside in the race to get the Hun back into the game.
Why are these questions not being asked until answers are forthcoming?
The pressure has to be kept up.
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Rangers, SFL, Third Division — July 31, 2012 5:31 pm
The tale of the inexplicable signing policyPosted by Guest Writer
What is going on at The Rangers FC now? Third Division football beckons yet the club is still signing players from the SPL. Commercially, this makes very little sense states Colin D. Young.
The club must already cost significantly more to operate than it can deliver in matchday revenues and sponsorship, therefore the question arises of where Charles Green’s remarkable consortium are finding the cash to finance SPL players playing in the depths of the third division.
Perhaps, just perhaps, their business model is based around winning the cups? This could be feasible with an SPL level squad, but would even the limited revenues from winning the Ramsdens Cup, or even the Scottish Cup, be enough to offset the wages of the likes of Lee McCulloch?
And what of the players?
Can anyone really tell me that Lee Wallace, Lee McCulloch, Dorin Goian or the rest of their ilk couldn’t stroll into contracts in the SPL and play competitive football?
Are these players content with the sporting challenge of competing against such luminaries of the third division as young Kyle Gillespie of East Stirlingshire, or Clyde’s Stefan McCluskey?
Perhaps they are? After all, none of the current The Rangers FC squad are internationals are they? Oops, it appears that some of them are….well, probably not for long unless they move to a competitive club or competition. I’ve got to be absolutely honest with everyone who reads this and state that if someone wanted to pay me SPL wages to go and kick a ball around Glebe Park on a Saturday afternoon, I’d probably jump at the chance too.
This smacks of money over sporting integrity, to drag up that old phrase that seems to have gone away since Rangers descended into the Third. Dean Shiels is one player who has personally turned my stomach. He walks away from a contract with his own father at Kilmarnock – an SPL side, of all things – and goes to The Rangers FC to play against part-timers, veterans at the end of their career and young boys who aren’t good enough to compete at a higher level. Such are the actions of a mercenary.
I apologise to Third Division players for any offence that the above comments may have caused.
It is so very disappointing to see Rangers taking this approach. The opportunity was, and still is, there for them to raise their own youngsters through the ranks and give them experience in preparation for their SPL return – if the SPL even exists by then.
Which brings me nicely to the possible conspiracy theory, namely, perhaps the death of the SPL is so imminent that it has already been agreed. Charles Green already KNOWS that there will be a new league formed, one way or another, in the near future and that The Rangers FC will be invited to play. Why else would he invest so heavily in SPL level playing staff to “compete” in the Third Division?
It wouldn’t be the first time that secret handshakes have been exchanged behind closed doors to decide on the direction of Scottish Football.
Motherwell, St. Johnstone and Dundee United could certainly have benefitted from players like McCulloch, or even Shiels, for their respective challenges in Europe. Sadly, these clubs are faced with a massive challenge (or have failed already) to proceed in Europe – but don’t worry, Rangers third division players are still apparently content that they are getting “competition”. Well, nobody in the SPL would pay a 34-year-old the same wages that Rangers would pay him, so I guess Lee McCulloch has a valid excuse – doesn’t he?
Apologies if posted elsewhere already...but this STV interview with Stewart Regan in last 24 hours is worth a look:
http://t.co/CYugyvD8
It's long (40 mins) but for once it is actually an interview with some teeth - particularly in first 20 mins where Regan flounders. Credit to STV's Raman Bhardwaj for the interview.
Draw your own conclusions about the leader of Scottish football....
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, Regan has described Green's and McCoist's comments as undignified and irresponsible. Fair comment but only every bit as undignified and irresponsible as his own comments that Scottish football will suffer a slow lingering death and that social unrest would follow the demise of newco.
That isn't the case. It's more to do with the fact that "Rangers" have to generate large income to cover their overheads. The only way to do that is to ensure large crowds every week. If they went and signed a bunch of SFL1 players, sure enough they would win SFL3, but their "loyal" fans would quickly tire of the standard of football. Signing good SPL players is an attempt to keep that fanbase intact.Quote:
Originally Posted by H18sry
Notice The Rangers parent company have changed their name to Rangers something or other. Thought they weren't allowed to do that? Will that make it easier for BDO to prove anything?
IIRC, this was planned a while back. Effectively, RFC and Sevco are swapping names. It's another one of the boxes ticked before the liquidation kicks in.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
Nothing wrong with it on the face of things.
It won't make any difference to BDO's work. It's the company they will be working on, regardless of its name.
:agree: Regan, Green and McCoist - all chums one day and slagging each other off the next. Snakes the lot of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Aside from signing a few expensive players, I find it quite incredible that Green has made no attempt to reduce the operating costs through redundances amongts the coaching or admin staff.
Either he does have backers with real money (unlikely) or he wants the Club to go bust again. This might suit him perfectly if their is a Sevco (Football Club) and a Sevco (Property).
' So Mr Brown/ Murray/ Kennedy, how much are you prepared to pay to rent my stadium and training facilities ?'
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Note it's "The Rangers Football Club Limited" So when it goes belly up, as it will going by the reported Orc season book total running at 3500 and crazy spending.. Green and his mysterons won't be losing any sleep or fingers over New Orcs demise when it happens.
Neither will I :aok:
According to a poster on Hun media Murray, Walter smith and Jim Trayner having lunch in Martin Wisharts at the shore.
Succulent lamb on the menu?
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Roast Saddle of Dornoch Lamb.
I kid you not.
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bloody nice though .......... not for the succulant lamb obviously :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by johnrebus
Interesting blog -
http://saintinasia.wordpress.com/201...mageddon-then/
David Murray or the new one?Quote:
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DavidQuote:
Originally Posted by Kaff
Killie chairman has changed his tune.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19087489Quote:
"The financial fall-out from that won't be nearly as great as it might have been," said Johnston, who is now on the league's board.
Surprise, surprise. At least he's admitted he was talking Tom Kite.Quote:
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Originally Posted by stoobs99
The basis of a plan to get Sevco into the SPL ASAP? Doesn't matter where they end up in the league, they're a full-time club so get to join the SPL....Quote:
"I've always felt that the SPL should be about full-time professional football, whatever the number of clubs that may be," Johnston added.
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Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw
There was a similar analysis a while ago, maybe on this thread, that suggested the number of fans required to make up the 'loss' :faf: of the Rangers fans, and I'm sure the Saints figure wasn't far from the one in this blog, and I also think our average attendance needed to rise by something like 80 fans per game to make up said loss. Surely not insurmountable.
I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding here. The SPL payouts include all sponsorship/TV incomes minus the cost of running the SPL - it's not simply a case of taking the TV deal and divvying it up to get the magic numbers. For a number of reasons I think he's underestimating the financial impact and, for example:Quote:
Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw
- the league has lost an additional 2.7 million international TV rights deal
- there will be an additional £1 million payment made to the SFL for TV rights
I'm not saying for a second that it's armageddon time, but I wouldn't be surprised if the financial impact is closer to (a more meaty) 10% of St. Johnstone revenues rather than (a marginal) 3%.
Have they got approval for membership yet, or do they play on Saturday on a conditional basis?
Paperwork should all be completed on Friday.:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
If only the people who run Scottish Football had showed the level of courage and integrity that the Olympic Badminton Committee showed with cheats then perhaps we would be celebrating the rebirth of Scottish Football right now instead of its slow death.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/d...045549702.html
In the Olympics, World Champions, Olympic Champions and favourites for the event get no special treatment but the authorities show that their game is above any of the individuals involved regardless of their perceived status. No fudging the issue, changing the rules or down right corruption and they earn the respect of the sporting world. Furthermore, the Chinese Olympic Authorities come right in behind the Olympic Authorities and demand that their cheating players make a humbling public apology. Everyone is left in no doubt about integrity in the sport, the countries involved and the Olympic Authorities retain the respect of the world even if the individuals concerned must learn a stark and costly lesson.
Sadly we must contrast with the Scottish Football Authorities and the people running Rangers Football Club in Administration. Everything that they have done has been to the detriment of the game here and it may never recover.
The Football Authorities had to be forced in to making a decision and, even then, contrive to work with smoke and mirrors in an attempt to hide the fact that they have not actually punished Rangers Football Club in administration at all. What’s more, they have colluded in promoting a myth that the new club, now trading as The Rangers, is in fact the old club, soon to be liquidated, and all is well with the game.
Finally, throughout the whole process, the arguments for keeping a form of Rangers in the league has consisted of so much negativity about our national sport that it could only be a self fulfilling prophesy. Reagan tells the nutters there will be unrest and now we are told he requires protection from terrorists. Doncaster tells the media world that we cannot do without a Rangers, and opened the door to every sponsor and TV broadcaster inviting them to slash their contribution to this game because he has told them Scottish Football is inferior. Some business tactic that. Instead Reagan had an opportunity to advance the cause of common sense and decency while Doncaster had the most wonderful opportunity to promote our game in Scotland as the cleanest and best in the world to be associated with.
Somebody needs to tell the people running Scottish football that when you are in a dirty hole you need to stop digging. They have made a mess of every stage of this process. I fear that it is already too late but the licence thing is perhaps the last opportunity that they have to show some balls. Even then they have started by making an unconstitutional change to the rules and the fudge gets ever more sickly sweet.
I despair of our game and our society and I am sickened by Scottish Football in its failure to use the influence it has on society and culture in this country to make things better.
Perhaps we should ask the Olympic Badminton people to step in because right now it is Olympic Badminton 8 Scottish Football 0
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Originally Posted by CentreLine
Ridiculous overblown nonsense.
Rangers failed financially, therefore they have to start again at the bottom. That's what has happened. They are being fully punished for deliberate non-payment of tax and will be punished for dual contracts by removing the relevant trophies, if convicted.
Your motivation appears to be a desire to remove Rangers from the face of the earth (vengeance) rather than justice. By your analogy, the badminton players should be prevented from playing ever again. They won't.
:agree: you are much closer to the reality than most...add to the fact that TV exposure / viewers is part of the calculation of all sponsorship of the league then the potential for reductions in all of those is also thereQuote:
Originally Posted by hibs0666
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Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
"Rangers" are starting at the bottom in spite of the efforts of the game's governing bodies to let them off. I think the op makes a good point: we are in no doubt that those whose job it is to protect the integrity of olympic badminton acted quickly and properly when they were called upon to do so. Can we say the same of the football authorities in Scotland?
You need to read my post over again. I have suggested none of the above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
Sadly Rangers Football Club no longer exists (or will no longer exisit after the liquidators are in place) and nowhere do I suggest that the disqualified players should never play again. In fact, my inference is that, by acting quickly and decisively, the Olympic Authorities have probably ensured that they can compete again with their credibility intact. This is something the Scottish Football Authorities failed to do with Rangers FC.
IMHO no punishment should be applied to the company emerging as The Rangers, they should simply have been allowed to work their way in to Scottish football within the rules and, as I have stated in previous posts, The Rangers will become anything their supporters wish them to become. My issue is with the failure of the Scottish Football authorities to act decisively and fairly within the rules and also the present Scottish Football in the best possible light.
Your own post is therefore ill-considered, ridiculous, overblown nonsense but that is only my opinion
Not according to the advert for the forthcoming game against East Fife. It ends RANGERS THEN-RANGERS NOW-RANGERS FOREVER. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by CentreLine
Post amended. :agree: I have added "(or will no longer exisit after the liquidators are in place)"Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Shot Hamish
Many thanks
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Originally Posted by Hot Shot Hamish
Pretty sure they bought the name Rangers along with everything else. Get used to it, it is not going away.Quote:
Originally Posted by CentreLine
They did.:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucius Apuleius
Which would have meant locking them out of the league structure, despite the SFL clubs voting 29-1 to admit them into their league at the bottom level.Quote:
Originally Posted by CentreLine
I don't get your point. You must understand that "The Rangers" are not and never can be "Rangers Football Club". Anything else that follows from that situation should have been and should still be done within the rules. The Olympic Committe showed integrity and balanced leadership whilst the Scottish Football Authorities have failed at every turn to do so. Their failure has done irreparable damage to Scottish Football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
Green bought the business and assets from Rangers FC plc, which is Rangers Football Club. This included their memberships of the SFA and SPL. I think you're attaching too great an importance to the survival of the body corporate. By that logic, Hibernian FC could no longer have existed if Mercer had bought a 75% majority and liquidated the operating company.Quote:
Originally Posted by CentreLine
Would it surprise anyone of Johnston votes with Celtic to keep the tv rights the same for when his beloved get back to the top?
Nope. But I am attaching a great deal of importance to the survival of Scottish football. That was and is the point of my post. I think you have attached to great an importance to Rangers Football Club which, for me, is what the governing body has done. It has been nice chatting but we are in danger of getting one of these :hijack: and I think we are going to have to agree to differQuote:
Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
It would surprise me, because Killie are a team that will desperately need a bigger share of TV money and getting that, to the detriment of Celtic, is something he'll be aiming for.Quote:
Originally Posted by VickMackie
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Originally Posted by StevieC
I do have a suspicion though that if it's not done and dusted early in the season, even if it starts next season, then those nearer the top end might vote to keep it the same.
If 'Rangers' were trated as a completely new entity they would escape all punishments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
However they would only be able to play outside the SFL - probably in the East of Scotland Seniors - for three years while they accumulated the necessary set of account before they could apply for SFA membership. Then they would be eligible to apply for any vacancy that arose in the SFL.
The fact that they have been admitted to SFL3 and been viewed as a continuation of the 'old' Rangers suggested that the should be made responsible for football debts as well as any punishments handed down regading dual contracts and other malpractice.
Not sure how new this news is but it was posted on the BBc last evening - the commission to investigate the EBTs.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19102870
The funny thing is, without Rangers in the SPL, having a disproportionate amount of prize money for finishing second kind of makes sense. It (in all likelihood) rewards the team that finishes best of the rest. Whereas before it was just guaranteed income for whichever OF team was losing.Quote:
Originally Posted by VickMackie
So what do you think about the fact they've basically kept the name, the badge, the strips, the stadium, the training ground, the manager, the coaching staff, a number of players and the history? And that they are openly stating 'Rangers will always be Rangers' etc. They had the chance to start afresh IMO, and they've blown it. They can also face the consequences of even being associated with the cheats of 2001-2011.Quote:
Originally Posted by CentreLine
Yeah, I saw that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
A few points:-
1. I am not sure how the commission differs from the legal firm that were appointed in the first place. Perhaps the lawyers have assembled the evidence, and it will be up to the commission to hear that, and to hear counter-arguments from the other side.
2. who are "the other side"? Is it NewHun or OldHun?
3. like the SFA tribunal, I am pleased to see that the commission will be independent. Although the anti-Doncaster lobby might see this as him washing his hands of any responsibility for a nasty verdict for Rangers, I think it is a sign of transparency.
I think this is a symptom of the failure of the Scottish Football Authorities to apply the rules properly and clear steps in creating the myth that Rangers FC still exist. But everyone knows that is not the case. The new club will become whatever its followers want it to become but it is not and never can be Rangers FC. But what we have is a completely new entity that has purchased the good will and assets of a soon to be defunct company. There will always be people living in denial and thinking it is the same thing and there is nothing wrong with that. Lots of people put a great deal of importance on football clubs and live their lives through the success or failure of those clubs. Rangers fans are as entitled to that as any other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O
After the failure of the CVA nobody could prevent the end of Rangers Football Club and when it folded everything about it was consigned to history. It is the memory of that club and not the club itself that will survive. People will do everything they can to pretend that the club brings with it its history and past successes and the Scottish Football Authorities and media are working hard to that end.
Opinions eh?
Agree. The article doesn't name the members and I haven't done any digging, but it can only be a matter of time before there are calls for their identities to be disclosed "in the interests of full transparency" :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I was thinking the same thing. While Rangers are out of the SPL, keeping the current shares will help some clubs from the bottom 11 to survive the armageddon that will surely be upon us in the next few days. Also, the clubs that aspire to second place might elect to keep thing the way they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
They should be changing the voting structure though, that's the first step to changing the income-sharing but one doesn't have to follow the other immediately. Maybe they should also be looking at gate-sharing before the distribution of TV money as well.
Chris Musson@camusson SPL:"At eight minutes past ten this morning, the member clubs unanimously approved the transfer of Rangers’ SPL share to Dundee" #ohthedrama
The SFA and SPL rules could be interpreted as giving a club a separate identity from the company that operates it, so it's arguable that Rangers Football Club survived the demise of The Rangers Football Club plc - it's not an interpretation I would agree with, but the possibility is there. That being the case though, the SPL had no grounds for refusing the transfer of the share and Sevco should still be in the SPL subject to sanctions arising from the SFA hearing and potential sanctions from the EBT investigation. There's no doubt that in civil law they have avoided their financial obligations through administration/liquidation.Quote:
Originally Posted by CentreLine
The alternative as you suggest is treating them as a completely new club with no obligations carrying over from the old one, but concessions have already been made by allowing that club to enter the league structure several steps higher than they should have and allowing them to use the name 'Rangers'. This means that Sevco are now neither one thing nor the other as a result of weak management by the authorities, but they seem to be gravitating more towards the continuation side, so they need to face the charges raised against the club when it was operated by the company that is now approaching liquidation. They would be allowed to keep the club's history though, subject to amendment for seasons where the old company fielded ineligible players.
Presumably from the same meeting, Doncaster saying that the loss of cash to SPL clubs from TV deals could be a 7 figure sum. That could be £9.9M or it could be £1M. Why the vagueness from this balloon? He's only happy when he's painting pictures of doom and gloom.Quote:
Originally Posted by s.a.m
Just back from hols, did the Currents get their full SFA membership in time for this weekend's glamour clash with Peterhead?
Full membership just announced official.Quote:
Originally Posted by green glory
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19120224
That's everyothing done and dusted then. Can we close this thread, get on with the fitba and ignore the huns until such times as we play then again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
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Originally Posted by hibs0666
You really think so? :greengrin
Still got the actual liquidation process and the EBT investigation to come. This thread will run and run.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibs0666
Everything that's significant, yes. It's been a good distraction and I'm gratified to see the huns get their just desserts but it's time to move on and concern ourselves with our own team again.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
They will have no material impact on the huns going forward, everything outstanding is for the historians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Disagree completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibs0666
If BDO decide that the transfer of the assets to Sevco was significantly below Market Value, then that could have serious implications. If the property goes back to RFC for sale on the open market, what then for the football club? If , alternatively, Sevco have to stump up the full value, can they afford it?
As for the EBT commission, the penalties that may be imposed on Sevco could be substantial as well.
Oh but it will if they are held responsible (given they now have OldCo licence) for the 'sins of the Fathers':greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by hibs0666
So they could be punished, i hate using that phrase, for the cash their father whored? :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by down-the-slope