Why all the talk about Black??
He's no coming anywhere near ER.
A player like Black would be good.
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Why all the talk about Black??
He's no coming anywhere near ER.
A player like Black would be good.
Take it you'd not be happy if he signed? What about Zal or Temps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Littlest Hobo
We have to be thinking 2nd is achievable if we sign another 6-9 decent players. Hearts are much weaker than last season and Rangers are bust. Im willing to believe that beating United snd Well to 2nd place is not that far fetched. Finishing 5/6th this year would be a poor season IMO. ps if we don't sign any decent players our currentvsquad would be relegated /in relegation battle as off the team we have today. If Pats the man and Petrie releases some funds we r in a great position to finish 2nd imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
If Pat's the man.Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthamptonHibs
If we've actually got any money to 'release'.
If we can sign between 6 and 9 decent players.
I can see us finishing 2nd or 3rd.
Big IFS though aren't they?
Why would anyone with all their marbles be discussing Ian Black to Hibs.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
The only chance we have is half an hour before the window closes and he hasn't been snapped up for a decent wage down south. Even then he'd phone Tynecastle first giving them first pop.
Move on guys to more realistic targets FFS.
[QUOTE=Cropley10;3282014]If Pat's the man.
If we've actually got any money to 'release'.
If we can sign between 6 and 9 decent players.
I can see us finishing 2nd or 3rd.
Agree they are big "IF's" but thats the beauty off pre season a club like Hibs must believe that we can finish the best off the rest each season as a minimum. Starting with any other thought ie finishing mid table is just unacceptable imo. During the season we have plenty of time to measure actual results v expectations.
Im hoping we get the players we need...with Rangers going bust its now we need to do everything to finish second as they'll be back in the SPL within a few years
I'd take Black at Hibs but its not going to happen. As for facing relegation I doubt it every much it will be Dundee or the Pars and they will be down April.
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Originally Posted by DC_Hibs
Correct, Some folk really need a reality check on here.
[QUOTE=Cropley10;3282014]If Pat's the man.
If we've actually got any money to 'release'.
If we can sign between 6 and 9 decent players.
I can see us finishing 2nd or 3rd.
Agree they are big "IF's" but thats the beauty off pre season a club like Hibs must believe that we can finish the best off the rest each season as a minimum. Starting with any other thought ie finishing mid table is just unacceptable imo. During the season we have plenty of time to measure actual results v expectations.
Im hoping we get the players we need...with Rangers going bust its now we need to do everything to finish second as they'll be back in the SPL within a few years
[QUOTE=SouthamptonHibs;3282073]So it's based all on hope, nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cropley10
[QUOTE=blackpoolhibs;3282074]Isn't that what being a Hibs fan is all about ?Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthamptonHibs
Should be the motto on the badge.
[QUOTE=GordonHFC;3282077]I hope we are 2ND, but im not daft enough to say we should be aiming for it. Then state if this happens and that happens we might get. I will settle for progression. From 11th to 2ND only on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
Am no qoutin any yous cause its aw tae pot:greengrin
Ill be happy with a wee tidy 4th place finish, Even that's pushin it.
If we were to aim for 2nd and finish 3rd/4th then would it really be so bad? If we aim for a top 6 and finish 6th/7th I would be disappointed.
It's a mindset thing for me, if you believe you can finish the best of the rest then you have a chance. Go in thinking top 6 then we're in danger of mediocre thinking/performances.
And I do believe it's realistic giving the budget we have compared to others.
A few decent signings and it's game on. Look at what Mowbray done and what McLeish achieved with changing the squads they inherited.
In my opinion of course! This is Hibs so we could have Spain's team and still finish 11th :greengrin
Everything below Celtic is wide open next season. Motherwell may lose a couple more players, can't see United adding many players, Hearts have lost some key players etc etc.
If we can add a couple more players of McPake type quality and generally improve the squad then i don't see why we shouldn't be aiming for 2nd place. Not saying we will finish 2nd place by any means, but it is what we should be aiming for. The rewards are there for the taking next season.
I have no problem aiming for 2nd, what i dont understand is anyone actually thinking we can make 2nd. We are pish, and have been pish for quite a while. We will sign players, we look like we have signed 3 now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibby Kay-Yay
We start from so much lower than those who finished 20-30 points above us, and of course these teams wont be sitting on their erse waiting for us to catch up?
Every season we have a poll on where we will finish, and even i have put us in at 4th when we have been nowhere near 4th at the end.
At least when i said 4th it was on the back of a 4th place finish the season before. We have finished 10th and 11th, 6th place would be real progress next season, but i fear with some if we dont make 2nd, some folk will hyper ventilate at the failure?
As i said earlier, 11th to 2nd, only on here. :rolleyes:
I would bite yet hand off for any of the three, I don't care who they played for before. As long as they give 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by Cropley10
I know none of them will be signing for us, that's fact!
Two from twitter...
@AgentScotland: Dean Shiels has had informal talks about a return to Easter Road with Hibernian
And
@AgentScotland: Hibs have offered Garry O'Connor a fresh one year contract, he still has options in China, Russia and Aberdeen
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Originally Posted by Mckenzie1875
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Originally Posted by Mckenzie1875
Just seen these. Any idea how accurate he usually is?
Serbia or Aberdeen huh, wonder which one is colder :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Mckenzie1875
Seriously though, it's that time of year when Hibs fans can but hope for the new season, so why shouldn't we sometimes get a bit carried away wi ourselves :greengrin
In Clancy we seemed to have picked up a good solid RB and we've signed McPake, the one player that fans have wanted the club to sign on from last years loanees...it's a good start and I hope for many more of the same or better from the club, it's a summer of positive change :greengrin
He'd better behave or it could be the Serbian salt mines pal eh!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Iain G
Magic.
Accurate :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leishy1995
@AgentScotland: Hibs have offered Garry O'Connor a fresh one year contract, he still has options in China, Russia and Aberdeen[/QUOTE]
I really hope this isn't true
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Originally Posted by Leishy1995
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Originally Posted by Walter
I really hope this isn't true[/QUOTE]
How?
200 hours of community service would see him through most games of the season.....:na na:
How?Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthMoroccoStu
200 hours of community service would see him through most games of the season.....:na na:[/QUOTE]
Sorry to be serious here, but I just think we need less players with a screw loose, unless the screw loose is one that makes them lose their teeth in the midfield battle and scares the droppings out of yams
If he has options abroad I doubt they are for this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mckenzie1875
I'm pretty sure the 200 hours community service would have to be served first.
Garry O'Connor offered 1 year deal and Dean Shiels has had infomal talks :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by Mckenzie1875
I think we'll find it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter
To be honest, I followed this guy during the last transfer window and he didnae seem to be that accurate. He usually announces a signing just after it has been officially announced. Everything else is educated guesswork IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mckenzie1875
Would be happy to take Garry, but not Dean, not sure why we look to take back some players that didnt really do much when they were here the last time. Ivan for example turned out to be a crap signing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustSimplyHibs
Its the other way round for me, i think Dean Sheils is a much improved player since he left, plus a more consistant one too.Quote:
Originally Posted by scott7_0(Prague)
He's a real playmaker these days in my opinion, plus he scores goals, nobody can question his fitness or desire either.
I don't want Shiels either, it appears he's improved since he left us but i still don't really know what his best position is, he appears to be a luxury player that plays in 'the floating role' and i'm not sure we can accomodate that position just now.Quote:
Originally Posted by scott7_0(Prague)
I'd rather we bought a winger with some genuine pace and ability to beat a man and get a cross in.
I've no time for GoC either, guy seems like a total erse and i'm fed up of having them at our club, let's get some proper professionals in.
Ivan was crap when he first joined, no left foot, no cross, couldnae pass, didnae backtrackQuote:
Originally Posted by scott7_0(Prague)
Agreed, I dont want either of them (although Id much rather have Shiels than GOC).Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
IF he is going back for GoC then the assumption must be that Griff isnt coming back. Bad move. Last thing the dressing room neeeds.
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Originally Posted by underscore
I don't know like, i reckon the guy has alot of wrongs he wants to put right, got to remember there was zero service to the front pair last season (and they still scored goals) however being supplied by a linking player like Shiels would probably double the amount of goals O'Connor plus one other will score.
Cairney confirmed
Hibernian FC @HibernianFCClub
BREAKING NEWS: Paul Cairney has agreed a two year deal with the club – becoming boss Pat Fenlon’s third new signing
:thumbsup:
Paul Cairney signs
Full report here
http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20...262950_2828753
They're both a couple of erses and we're well shot of them. IMO Griffiths is massively over rated as well so not worth the hassle he brings.Quote:
Originally Posted by underscore
New team New attitude and all that
IMO one of the reasons they never got any service was because of there inability to hold the ball up to bring midfielders into the game, the both of them are selfish strikers and not team players.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustSimplyHibs
That's right cause the ball was hit 40 yards in front of them all the time, of course no-one will hold that type of ball up or it was our midfield's inability to pick a perfectly timed pass. Most of the best forwards in the world are selfish.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Perhaps O'Connor isn't the type of person in the dressing room that we think he is??Quote:
Originally Posted by underscore
Agent Football @AgentScotland
For the Hibs fans who asked - Paul Cairney is in the same mould as Pat McGinley #GoalScoringMidfielder
Never knew much about cairney but if this quote from twitter is anything to go by, i can't wait to see him in action.
I dont disagree. Fresh blood, new winning attitude required. Cairney a promising signing. Two strikers required. One experienced, one youth.
I'm not suggesting our midfield was like having Pirlo, Xavi and Iniesta supplying them as i agree the service wasn't great but they definately could have done better in terms of link up play than what they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustSimplyHibs
Griffiths first touch normally had the ball bouncing about hip height and GoC couldnae control a bag of cement last season.
They both got a good number of goals and credit to them for that but it's not just about them, as much as it kills me to say it, look at hearts, they've constantly had strikers that couldnae hit a barn door but they've got team players up front that bring midfielders into the game and allows the likes of S**cel and previously Hartley to score goals from midfield.
He was definately out getting smashed after the cup final. If this new team is really going to have a new attitude then do we really need or want that kind of carachter in it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
If we sign GoC then my opinion is that this whole new attitude thing is just a marketing slogan and nothing else.
I agree, however these guys can score goals given the proper service and support and the YAMs have midfielders with desire and a willingness to get forward to support...name three Hibs players from midfield that have that mould? Wotherspoon is the only one and he only seems to play well when it's for ScotlandQuote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
I would have thought Gazza exemplified the bad attitudes that Fenlon wants to get rid of?
Didn't hear anyone moaning when we had a team full of these players under Mowbray :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Milne
GOC's been very lucky to still be a free man ... maybe we will see a totally reformed character?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Milne
Or the manager might fance trying to manage him?Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
If he can recreate his start to last season and keep it up then he would be a decent asset.
It's going to be tough finding a couple of strikers that are better. It can be done of course, but I think a one year deal to see how it works out would be fine.
Let someone else take that risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by TQM
I made my thoughts on our midfield (and one particular 'box to box' midfielder in particular) pretty clear during the season, absolutely honking and no where near good enough, however that doesn't change the fact that when the ball went forward it wasn't sticking so supporting our forwards was an impossible task.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustSimplyHibs
We were good then, if the teams playing well then we can turn a blind eye to off field behaviour but when we're only staying in the spl with one game to spare and pumped off hearts in the cup final then they can expect to get there lifestyle scrutinizedQuote:
Originally Posted by JustSimplyHibs
Maybe but I've got my doubts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
If he could recreate his form from the start of last season he should have done it throughout the season when we needed him to, the reason he never IMO is because he's got a stinking attitude and i had hoped we might have seen the last of that last season.
aye you would think that but as he is planning to appeal the 200 hours community service then maybe he does not agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by TQM
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Originally Posted by calumb
Personally I hope he gets an increased sentence for having the brass neck to appeal. He is the end of a belll
Yeah, I've my doubts too but I think he got an injury which probably explained a fair bit of the poorer form after his good start. The court cases won't have helped, but were obviously his fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Still, he got us key goals - away to Dunfermline, the cup semi final, and I wouldn't be so quick to discard him when we have lost so many others.
If he does get a deal I think it would be an indication that when he does attend his job at ER and training that he does actually show the attitude that Fenlon wants.
One of these that I wouldn't be that unhappy either way to be honest.
In terms of ability, I wouldn't be worried about GOC coming back to us, but I would make sure that his contract was linked to his physical condition. For all the hoo hah and fall outs because he is " one of our own", his fitness level and application was disgraceful. At a time in his life when he needed to paint a positive picture, he looked like a punch drunk wino on the turn.
No doubt you are familiar with all the details of the case Petrocelli.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter
Yeah, fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
I think my views on GoC are probably tainted by my opinion of him off the pitch. Maybe unfair as i don't know him personally but i just think he seems like an absolute weapon and i'm fed up having players in the hibs team that i cannae stand. Between him, Griffiths and Doherty i don't think i've ever liked a hibs team less and was hoping for a fresh start this season.
As you say though, if he does stay and scores goals for us i'm sure i'll get over it.
In my opinion, if he’s given decent service (and I don’t mean 200 hours community) then, at the dizzy hights of SPL level, GOC will score goals. Last season the midfield was horrible. If we can get some fight, creativity and service from a fresh midfield then I think even a pie and coke filled GOC will provide a steady stream of goals throughout next season.
It’s just a case of whether we want all the baggage and hassle he also brings...:dunno:
Didn't know that. Not a wise move IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumb
Would be absolutely delighted if this was to come to fruition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mckenzie1875
Pleased with the signing of cairney, sounds like the kind of player we have been crying out for with plenty of game time in the 1st division and a hunger to step up and prove himself to boot.
I would be delighted if shiels came back as he is a much improved player and would walk into our midfield just now.
If o'connor Stays off the bevvy and properly knuckles down for next season I'd give him another year but if he is likely to be a disruptive influence in the dressing room then tell him to bolt
Signing shiels wouldn't be the same as going back to Ivan etc. Because he's already started his SPL career again at killie, successfully showing his talent. I think that shows we've got a manager who paid attention to other clubs last year.
still lives over the road fi the west stand i thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
From the way Fenlon describes Cairney i'd be surprised if we're going to go for Shiels as well, sounds like they're the same type of player
I'm not sure having more than one wee attack minded midfield player who can pass the ball and also beat a man will ever catch on.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
In an ideal world we'd want a couple of them but with us having a reduced budget this season because of poor ST sales and also having so many new players to sign i'd be surprised if we'd use up some of our budget on two very similar players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Re Garry O
I really can't make my mind up whether I want him. If we could guarantee the player that started last season and we were all touting him for a Scotland call up it is a no brainer. If I had 2 serious court cases against me I don't think I would be performing to the best of my ability at work. Add in the injury which may have added to the lack of fitness and it may help excuse some of his performances. If we are signing him we would need to get a full pre-season as he is useless unless he is fit. Perhaps being surrounded by "better" professionals might help but I fear he will never learn. Maybe looking at Deek's current predicament might be a wake up call.
The bottom line is what can we get as an alternative who may be as good as a top Garry O on the same money?
I would hate to see him go to Aberdeen and knock in the goals. All in all a very difficult decision but my gut reaction would be to take him on a pay per play
I'll disagree with many others in that I think in central midfield we aren't badly served with Stevenson, Claros and Ozzy - provided they are asked to do just the job they are suited for.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
What we haven't had at all is anyone with any ability in an attacking sense from midfield either wide as wingers or in linking up from midfield to attack.
I'd imagine this is the missing link that would right a lot of wrongs in the team and would expect Pat to be lloking to sign 2 or 3 players who are either wingers or attacking midfield players, Cairney being one of them.
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Originally Posted by flash
Nope. And neither do I need to be aware of all the details of the case in order to form my own opinion, which I constructed thusly:
1. He has appeared in court on two separate various charges: I do not believe this is a co-incidence and that he has been unlucky. I don't care that they have no bearing collectively, because they have a collective bearing on my opinion.
2. He has been found guilty: If you do cannot do the time don't do the crime. Have some dignity and accept your punishment rather than whingeing and weaseling and acting as though you are some kind of victim who the justice system has punished unduly.
3. HIs tan is ridiculous. And his antics after the Cup Final to me just shows he is a 100% clown who will never learn.
This is my opinion, I am entitled to it. Have your own, but don't pick at mine.
I agree with this and agree we need more attacking players, however we've not got Cairney through the middle now so i'd expect us to try and sign a couple of wingers now rather than another player similar to Cairney.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Anyone know what's happening with that kalonas guy , im sure a couple said we where having him back to take a look ,is that still on?
Does that make sense?Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter
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Originally Posted by bingo70
Disagree with that, just because a team is good doesn't mean you allow them to go out on the ran dan every Saturday night, sorry but that doesn't wash. Seriously though were we good? we never won anything, leaked goals probably worse than last season our only saving grace was that we had hungry young players wanting to make a name for themselves and get better moves, which they done.
Why not take the Spanish/Craig Levein approach of not having an out in out striker in the team :devil:
Dean is one player I would welcome back with open arms. A player who actually progressed and learned the game from his time down south. One of the most intelligent 'off the ball' players I've seen too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leishy1995
I remember bumping into Mixu in a Edinburgh public house :-) soon after the big man became manager. He simply couldn't believe why Deano wasn't a first pick under JC. He rated Dean as one of the best players at the club (and the SPL).
Really hope this story has substance.
It's not what should happen but it does happen. If they're performing on the park they will get questioned less about what you get up to in there own time. IMO professional footballers should be tee-total during the season or certainly avoid getting drunk so you're preaching to the converted here.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustSimplyHibs
I think they were good, certainly great to watch so people cut them a bit slack although my memory is that they did recieve some flak for being in george st too much.
Another season with these 3 limited midfielders in our midfield would give us another season like last year imo. Completely outplayed each week last year and would provide at best a lower league placing or worse relegation. Hopefully Cairney is just a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
No. The season starts 5 weeks yesterday. Pat and the board need to shift themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAVE1875
We need two strikers, another goalkeeper, another defender, and at least two midfield players. The squad is very, very thin. Even if we get those,m we'll probably need to strengthen in January.
I agree, Andy. I remember when we had Alex Edwards and Alex Cropley in the same forward line, and the team really sucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Stevenson, Osbourne and Sproule should not be 1st picks next season. Is Stevenson suspended for the 1st game anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
http://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/ju...2%2F7859036%2F
Looks like O'Connor won't be back. :aok:
I thought Dean Shiels had not long signed a contract with Killie. If true then i cant see them letting him leave
Can't see Gaz going back to Russia after the last time.
http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman...line-1-2387345
Well, at least he won't be replaced by the Big Fat Jambo Crock.
Didn't realise it was a 2-for-1 deal - punt one, lose another for free. :thumbsup:
He's only been there on loan has he not? Is his contract also up at Darlington so he can move wherever he wants?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibeesjoe
Not sure how GoC can possibly play abroad and complete his 200 hours community service within the next 6 months at the same time?
You mean Doncaster!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
He's out of contract there now I believe so is free to do what he wants
He was there on loan until January, then Doncaster released him and he signed for Killie until the end of the season. Definitely out of contract now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
I wouldn't be too sure about that, he has a lot of community service to do over the coming months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomson
Do you honestly believe that we will bring in (on top of the 3 already announced) an additional 6 players and then bring in more in Jan? Whether its needed or not is a different question but I would have expected Pat to have put a case to Rod to say that this size of overhaul is probably a 2 or 3 window job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doddie
This was my first thought too. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by KeithTheHibby
Its not the bevvy he needs to stay of.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyJo
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Originally Posted by RickyS
Stays in Glasgow. :aok:
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Originally Posted by Thomson
I doubt he will be allowed to do his Community Service in Russia.