you dinnae think Petrie is involved in this? They're all saying one thing tae yer face and another behind yer back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot
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you dinnae think Petrie is involved in this? They're all saying one thing tae yer face and another behind yer back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot
The bottom line is that if some SPL clubs are that badly run that Rangers leaving the SPL would financially cripple them to be honest they should either go to the wall or into administration and that would just be tough. To use that as an excuse to carry out this perverted form of sporting integrity in the form of blackmailing, bullying and lying to SFL clubs is completely sickening. Rangers should be dealt with properly and then we will see what happens, clubs will need to cut their cloth accordingly and if that means going part time or worse that is just the way it goes. They will be replaced by other SFL teams and we go on.
Doncaster and at least some of the SPL chairmen obviously do not believe that the number of fans will walk away as are suggesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
I still struggle with the fact that I thought there was still an investigation into wrong doing on the go by the SFA/SPL. How can they possibly be forcing clubs to accept an SFL1 or SPL solution when they have not had the outcome of the investigation which might then suggest demotion or suspension of the back of the findings.
Well said!Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
But surely our Chairman is party to all of this despite what he has said.:fuming:Quote:
Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot
It's always been well known that the SPL is a "fixed" league. It's never stopped sponsers in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emerald
We have to face the facts, the SPL has always been one big cash cow for the greedy people at the top and we're the suckers that have continued to feed it.
Name an SPL club that has went to the wall due to relegation and missing out on BOTH OF gate money & tv money..........not one club!!!
God help any club who thinks them out of the league will see them go bust then end up relegated this season
Not necessarily. He may have voted against it but been outvoted. (Club statement last week hints at that by saying vote must take place and Hibs will still vote no) That is why it is important Hibs/Petrie make a statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by gramskiwood
What worries me is that the whole collapse of the SPL/SFL may be being engineered with the aim of getting Rangers and Celtic a ticket elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedway
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Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
So it worked out good for them then :faf:.
Has it def been confirmed there will be no vote today? If so, that's nothing short of a ducking joke. Hope the SFL chairmen stick to their guns and then we'll see where the SPL chairmen really stand when it comes to kicking out rangers.
In fact, have the SFA not said they will block the newco from getting into the SPL? If so, what's the point of even having a vote? If this aint sorted soon then Scottish football can go do one.
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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
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Originally Posted by gramskiwood
Maybe, maybe no?
Nobody knows for sure either way so i'd rather not turn my back on my club just on the off chance they might've known about this..
Wether they agreed to this is different, but once again we don't and probably will never know..
What if they did know but were utterly against it but were outvoted?!
Once again, who knows?
What we do know for certain, 100% sure, is that the governing bodies, SFA, SPL etc etc are as bent and corrupt as they come, they should be hammered by the disagreeing public..
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Originally Posted by JimBHibees
As I was saying yesterday, if the clubs haven't learned their lesson after the collapse of SPL TV and Setanta, then they deserve all they get. We have suffered due to the length of time that we have been living strictly within our means, and would no doubt suffer even more from supporters understandably not wanting to watch a corrupt league.
Motherwell have just done the unthinkable in obtaining a Champions League qualifying place, yet we are told that they could be facing insolvency without the money that Rangers bring in? How poorly run are they, exactly?
They didn't suffer hugely from being in administration ten years ago, and are now not benefiting significantly from a CL qualifying place - yet they are supposed to be goosed completely without the money that Rangers bring in? Doesn't make sense.
Unbelievably depressing stuff.
Like said a few 1000 posts ago, the SPL clubs who wish to uphold true sporting integrity should counter the morally corrupt pish spouting from Dungcaster & pals at the SPL by resigning from the SPL now and applying to an enlarged SFL. Yes any teams doing that would lose money but the way things are going right now they are going to lose money anyway. Lots of it.
The statement will go a long way to whether I continue going to Easter Road.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
Not such a bad idea. Hibernian Phoenix anyone :flag:Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedway
All these people who spoke out about sporting integrity and voting no who then sat in silence while that 'piece of work' was distributed tae the SFL clubs are no everything they're cracking themselves up tae be IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
IMO they were either involved with it or gave it their tacit approval by no coming out and condemning it for the disgraceful piece of threatening blackmailing garbage it was.
The Clyde statement lays bare the intentions of Doncaster and his cronies. Really really sticks in my craw the "sporting integrity has no purchase" piffle Petrie spouted.
It is clear to me that the SFL members must vote against the div1 entry but allow div 3 entry then they can sit back and watch the liars and cheats at the SPL and SFA running around back tracking and u-turning on every rule, sanction and piece of integrity left to get newco where they want.
Let the SPL charlatans finally be truthful with their intentions including Petrie.
Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?
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Originally Posted by bawheid
It's as simple as that, a threat from the SPL, let the cheats back in or you become outcasts of Scottish football.
Bleeping unbelievable, can't believe i just read that on the Clyde FC.
Mad has a point, Scottish football is run by the SFA/SPL Mafia. Threats and bribes. :rolleyes:
Gordon Waddell@GordonWaddellJust been told Application for share transfer to newco rejected. Tick tick tick...
Andrew Dickson@rfc_dicksonSPL clubs have 'voted overwhelmingly to reject' Rangers' application to join the top flight as a newco
They've voted 'no'.!!
Spl clubs vote no, now they should be hounding that fanny Doncaster out his job.
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Originally Posted by DH1875
The Sun did, being the same company, and reported that. It was also the same information given to all Sky employees.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
They have not said at any point that they would pull the plug and walk away. It's nonsense from Doncaster n co to try and keep Rangers as high up the league structure as possible.
Thats because I am sure it is nonsense and scaremongering in the extreme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
It's a NO to Newco
Spl vote no to newco ssn
Yesssss! Spl vote overwhelmingly to reject Rangers bid to join the league. It's now up to the Sfl
Very good point it is clear it is nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brando7
Wake up and smell the coffee.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
Petrie is in up to his neck in this, he briefed Green on the intentions. Do you not see that all the clubs announced their "no to newco" after the 3 authorities had a six hour meeting to thrash this out. All SPL clubs were briefed on the intention that there was no way Rangers would be out the league for more than a year.
Petrie's stance on sporting integrity was for our benefit to try and get you to part with your season ticket money, nothing else.
EDIT maybe you are right and like 12 angry men Petrie has talked all the chairmen round. SPL say NO!!!!
Have hibs not already made claer a couple of times now where they stand and how they will be voting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee
They did say though that other bodies would now decide what would happen to Rangers.
Rod is on one of those bodies but that's not Hibs.
I'd be very surprised indeed after running the club the way he has, taking personal stick for it for years and publically talking about integrity being beyond purchase that he is personally leading any of the stuff from the SFA. He will, however, have to be part of any collegiate deicsion made by the SFA board if they have decided a particular course of action.
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Originally Posted by JimBHibees
I think you're spot on with this Spike. :top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Spl vote has taken place with a no verdict.
Yas!
BREAKING NEWS SPL clubs vote overwhelmingly to reject Rangers' newco application to join the top flight.
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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Lets hijack the next meeting at Hampden, threaten and bribe them as they go in, demand all there names, even though we already no them, :wink:.
We just can't sit about complaining on MBs, action has to be taken at the steps of the Gotti Family door.
We cannot sit back and let this happen, even though it is, :rolleyes:
Time to :protest:
Now watch doncaster and his cronies turn the heat up on the SFL clubs. Hopefully they will tell them where tae go and vote for them tae enter div 3.
Then we'll see how much wind and pish SPL 2 is and what real will there is from the authorities tae reorganise the structure of the whole game efter they havnae gotten their ain way over newcohuns.
Welldone SPL, now its up to the SFL.
The people at the top can't do anything if everybody just keeps saying "NO".
They can't get Rangers into the SPL
They won't get them into the 1st division
They won't be making any league reconstructions
Everybody just needs to keep saying "NO".
Rubbish. Petrie started his sporting integrity long before any 3 party meeting. I don't agree with everything that he does but in this instance I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. Who else was at the meeting between Green and RP and briefed the press? Personally I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of either Green or the press who have put their spin on everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
I do however want RP/Hibs to put out a statement letting us know if they are in favour of the SFL1 fudge.
Its taken some time but the tax case boy was right:aok:
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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
Should have been done and dusted by now, it is just becoming boring now.
And really at the end of the day you know deep down what will be the outcome of this saga will be BH. :rolleyes:
Let's wait and see Pat. He was given the oppurtunity to discuss the div 1 fudge and he reissued the previous statement stating no to the SPL. Then passed all pressure to SFL but with Doncastrer's threats ringing in their ears. Whether you can bring yourself to believe it or not Doncaster is acting on behalf of the Clubs and there has been no dissenting voices to a div 1 entry from the SPL except Milne.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
I truly hope you are right but like you I need to hear from our Chairman to what exactly his part is in this div1 stitch up.
Hope they reveal who voted for and against. In the words of Fat Ally "We have a right to know"
Surely now, we can make a change to the SPL voting structure and Doncaster's position must be untenable now. Get rid of this clown ASAP. Telling all and sundry the vote would be deferred to bully the SFL clubs.
GIRUY Fud.
It's nothing to do with Hibs now though, they have held their end of the bargain by not allowing them in the SPL. I wouldn't expect them to make any more statements on what happens now.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
I must admit I'm none the wiser about any of the plans presented to the SFL and who by but all the evidence is that Hibs have done what they said they would do on this one.
Division 3???Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
After that statement from Clyde I hope the SFL tell them to bolt and they spend a season in the wilderness!
:thumbsup: Pleased we got the No vote, hopefully SFL clubs also say no now. So relieved, after Doncaster spouting off his nonsense I feared the worst for today.
Not that it matters but will we ever know who voted No - did the ticks vote no -or do they need to boycott tick park??
Kudos to the 'tache. Well done Rodders.
I should have said at best :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieC
It will still have something to do with Hibs if they are involved in the bribing/bullying of SFL clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
I was beginning to think they'd actually get back in the SPL, thats how corrupt i think this has become.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
I'm thinking now the SFL clubs have been bullied by Doncaster, and that can go either way? Do they cave in, and vote them in Div 1? Or do they say **** you, we wont be bullied, and apply the rules as they should?
To be honest, i dont know which way this will go?
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Originally Posted by PatHead
Hibs will do the right thing and say nothing, that it's a division 1 issue and they have no opinion as it does not concern them. Then it will say sporting integrity is relevant in all Scottish leagues and by rights it shouldn't happen ... or something :greengrin
I don't buy into Petrie being behind getting Rangers into the SFL1. He is obviously going to have an input though, as he plays a major role in the SFL. If he is involved and bends over backwards to get them in I will eat my words.
Unless Super Ally demands to know.:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperTortolano
According to Jockybhoy on RTC SSN say Green voted NO and vote was unanamous.
Yes it has. After that disgrace at yesterday's SFL meeting every SPL club, that doesn't speak up, is as guilty as Doncaster. He is the representative of the SPL and as such is answerable to every SPL club. If the clubs allow the threats and blackmailing that went on yesterday to pass without comment then you can only assume that they are 100% backing everything that Doncaster threatened!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
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Originally Posted by StevieC
It does matter. We need to know who carried out their fans wishes and had integrity. We need to know who our friends and enemies are. Finally, if it was Celtic who backed Rangers they will be more financially disadvantaged than everyone else put together. Their fans will boycott their own team. Add the loss of revenue through sponsorship deals which were combined and we might actually have a more level SPL.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperTortolano
Whatever happens Doncaster must resign.
Spot on. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieC
that word should never be used again by anybody involved in this farce.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
After what we have said and done do you really believe we would have anyhting to do with it? We are one of the clubs that doesn't need Rangers in any way and we have been very clear on the sporting integrity piece.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
Hibs more than anyone have suffered by living within our means and been ridiculed for it.
I'm, not really getting why we would be involved in caring one way or another about them being in SFL 3 or SFL 1.
I was with you right up to that last point. The problem is... if football as game is corrupt and fair play and rules no longer apply, then there is simply no point in watching or supporting Hibs. Every ref decision, every player signing, every ball kicked in anger, every goal scored, every result is simply a sham. We all decide as individuals what to do with our hard earned cash, but handing it over to a bent club and league and paying the wages of people like Doncaster is not high on my list. There are hundreds of better things I can think of to do with £400 a year !Quote:
Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot
Skyscot say it was 10 against, 1 for (Green), 1 abstension.Quote:
Originally Posted by gramskiwood
Skyscot is James Matthews.
With the joint sponsorships and the Old Firm itself being a money spinner I'd have my money on Celtic abstaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
No well done from me for the vote - it was common sense that has prevailed and if they had delayed it then it would have been madness.
Supposedly it was 10 no's - so one team either didn't vote or said yes - I think it could be Celtic :rolleyes:
What happens next is even more crucial - SFL vote and what happens to this Newco. Add to that - the changes to the SPL voting system and all the legal battles Rangers find themselves in.
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The 30 SFL clubs are due to meet on 12 July to discuss a Scottish FA proposal that would result in a Rangers newco playing in the First Division next season. Tuesday's meeting at Hampden adjourned with no decisions made, although a vote is expected next time.
Partick Thistle Thistle are the 10th SFL club to voice opposition to a newco in Division One, following announcements from Falkirk, Dunfermline, Raith Rovers, Morton, Livingston, East Fife, Stranraer, Stirling Albion, Peterhead and Clyde.
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BREAKING NEWS
SFL chief executive David Longmuir has told BBC Scotland that a decision will have to be taken over who replaces Rangers in the SPL. "The SPL will have to create an invite for a replacement," he said.
The SFL board will meet tomorrow ahead of full meeting of clubs next week to decide if the Rangers Newco will be allowed into the Scottish League set up.
Val McDermid@valmcdermidIf Rangers (or Celtic) had been relegated in normal run of things, would that have been 'the end of Scottish football as we know it'?
Val McDermid@valmcdermid
Or is it that Rangers & Celtic have a divine right to remain in the SPL?
Scottish crime literati (literatus?) getting in on the act.....
Hmmm. Green shouldn't have a vote as he is not the holder of a share. Duff & Phelps should have been representing that share and ethically (:rolleyes: I know) they should have abstained, because the vote is outside their remit and competence - they have no further part to play in Scottish football. Could they be the abstention and Celtc/Killie the yes vote? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
It should be Dunfermline that keep their place in the SPL. If Rangers had gone bust during the season, Dunfermline wouldn't have been relegated in the first place. It's common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by SneakersO'Toole
I hope it's Dundee that come up, but I expect that Dunfermline will keep their place.
Out of respect for the SFL we should say:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
It's up to you to decide on any application from New Huns but Hibs will not support either the withholding of the annual settlement fee rightly due to the SFL or any attempt to form an SPL2 unless that is democratically agreed by both the SPL and SFL.
It will defo come out who was the yes vote and who abstained :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
Why did Green vote? Was it not the oldco that had the vote, so it should have been Duff and Duffer....Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Seemingly D&D could give a proxy vote to Green.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergio sledge
I am guessing that it's just assumption that Green was there on behalf of Rangers. Like you, I say that it should have been D&P. However, perhaps they allowed him to attend as their nominee.... so he could keep an eye on things. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
No to Newco in SPL... At the mo 10 SFL clubs have said they would vote no but will the rest.
The thought of filling your ground against them might get a few yes votes but what happens when the majority vote No and Doncaster says the will move to Div 1 or 3 regardless of vote.
Will the NO voting clubs boycott the fixture???
I hope they all vote No that way there is no way back. As for the abstainers I have a funny feeling it might be either Smellic or Killie. As for teams that rely that much on telly revenue.... More fool you??
Doncaster for me can GTF. Not got a clue
On a strict reading of the rules Dunfermline are not eligible to play in the SPL having finished in last place last season, so Dundee look like favourites to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by wee_hibee
Given that Doncaster is the Chief Exec. of the SPL, he doesn't have the power to order this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
We keep hearing about a majority in the SFL of 16-14, but surely with Dundee/PARS moving up, and Rangers(Surely to God) not having a vote, it only needs to be 15-14. 10 already said no so only 5 more?
If they go to Div3 the likelihood is all 3 divisions will get visits from the charming New Huns. Div1 and the lower 2 divisions miss out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
A proxy has to vote the way he is instructed by his principle and D&P should have instructed him to abstainQuote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
and
A nominee can make his own decision about which way to vote but he must act in the best interests of the nominator - again, it should be an abstention.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
It's all a bit academic anyway, but interesting to those of a pedantic bent.
I realise that matey but it's the Scottish fitba hierarchy and they seem to do what they want at the mo.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I am sure there will be more twists and turns before its resolved. Let's bring the SFL meeting forward, get them to vote and that will be that..
It's always been about the 29 for me. :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by SJNB Hibby
You calling me bent?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
As far I can could understand, Green was not allowed a vote as it was oldco Rangers that was to vote so that should have been D&P...no?Quote:
Originally Posted by gramskiwood
But that doesn't make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
That would mean that Dunfermlines fate is put down to the time that Rangers went bust.
If Rangers had gone bust during open season, then Dunfermline would still be in the SPL.
What saved Aberdeen when they finished bottom?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
If that's the case (and I very much doubt it) the Scottish Football is a lost cause (if it's not already). Cos basically if you are the Huns/Newco or Smellic you can do what the **** you like and nowt will happen to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibs0666
The man Traynor is a ****ing clown
Well that's my faith in Scottish football restored : Part One.
Part Two comes on the 12th July when I fully expect the SFL clubs to politely suggest to Sevco that they apply to join Div 3 when their application will be duly considered. I then expect Sevco to go into Adminstration.
Meanwhile, with no evidence to show that RP has done anything wrong, and having led the sporting integrity movement in the SPL, let's lay off him.
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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Conmpletely right giving that Doncaster and Regan seemed to have threatened the non-payment of the settlement fee to the SFL clubs.
Glad that's the first hurdle out of the way. Hopefully the SFL clubs will now vote against them going straight in to SFL1. After all, I'm sure all the teams in SFL2 and SFL3 would fancy a payday as well which should be reason enough to refuse the parachute in to SFL1, even before you get to the fact that they're leapfrogging a couple of promotions etc.
We really need the SFL to say 'no' to Huns now, not just to Div 3, but to state that they need to be properly constituted, financed and accredited, before any application can even be considered. There is so much of an ongoing mess in the form the police investigations into the oldco, (which might have ramifications for the newco) the status of Green's backers, and the status of Ranger's players contracts, which he himself is contesting, to make any sane party call a halt before admitting them into any league.
Congratulations to Doncaster and his fellow clowns who purport to run football. You've shown yourselves to be corrupt, bullying liars - and massively incompetent, utterly sad and pathetic into the bargain. You aren't fit to attend a Scottish football match, let alone administer the game. If you are going to alienate every single follower of the domestic game, at least have the savvy to get your own way. The fact you couldn't even do that by resulting to every sort of shenanigans known to man, underlines what a completely worthless bunch of p-r-i-c-k-s you are. Do us all a favour now and f-u-c-k off.
Brockville Park I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by rcarter1
And also meaning one fewer team getting promotion from these leagues if Rangers were playing in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LancashireHibby
I'm with you on that, but do you expect that to happen? :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Seveno
http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...nst-Gers-newco
Vote done and dusted
Thats the fist corner of the coffin nailed down.
Now to see whether they go ahead and start up SPL2 :rolleyes:
This might be pushed thro' before the SFL have their vote, still too early to celebrate :cb
The planets are obviously perfectly aligned.
HMRC take Rangers down.!
Their loyal Majesty is in Glasgow celebrating her jubilee on the day they get kicked out of SPL!
SFL vote takes place on July 12th!
Party, party time :thumbsup:
Brian Mclaughlin on Twatter saying it was Celtic who abstained.
Need as many many to back Hibs and buy season tickets as possible now. the SPL chairman stood firm and they have been kicked out the league. What happens in regards to if they are placed in Division 1 or 3 if outwith Hibs and the SPL's power.
It's over to the SFL now to do the right thing and stand firm and put football integrity before financial gain and make sure they are placed in Division 3. Either way the slowest flith of them all WILL NOT be singing their guff in SPL stadium's this coming season! :thumbsup:
Time to back Hibs and push our club forward and take advantage of a wonderful chance we have in the coming season for a high place finish!
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