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15th July;
Restaurants/pubs etc can reopen - 1 metre zones in place
Tourism/hotels can reopen
Museums, cinemas, libraries can reopen
Hairdressers can reopen
Places of worship open for communal prayer/congregations. Singing/chanting restricted
Numbers on Weddings/funeral services opened up
22nd July;
Theory driving tests restart
Beauty salons reopen
I can’t get my head around the fact that we will be able to go to the cinema, church, hairdressers etc, but we can’t go to a football match. You could easily get around 3000 fans into Easter Road and still have 2 meter distancing. If they made masks compulsory surely thats possible as a starting point.
No...while I was renting privately, and my younger brothers done it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
When I did live with my parents I paid plenty in digs though.
I'm not saying it's easy to do, but to make out like it's impossible is incorrect. Plenty people do it, if you want to save, then prioritise what you spend your money on.
https://twitter.com/BBCchrismclaug/s...578286594?s=19Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Indoor entertainment, live events, adult contact sport, non essential office work all not happening before 31st July.
Phase 3 likely to last longer than 3 weeks.
That’s good news. Murrayfield seems to be mentioned a lot for one of these test events.Quote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
Would happily play a few games at Murrayfield if it can at least get all ST Holders in.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Have they given a target date for phase 4?
Phase 3 has just been announced! Some measures will be not before 31st July. Let's assume phase 4 comes after all of phase 3 is complete.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
He has Tony Blair’s soft subtle private school educated voice and a calming manner, and he has his own PR machine separate to the Cummings machine but one look at his voting record tells you he’s as right wing as they come.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
At least we now know there WAS a magic money tree all this time.
Me too. We could pro get 20k in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
The 8 people indoors across 3 households while keeping within your own household group and maintaining a 2m distance from the other household groups is only going to work if you have a mansion or you all sit in different rooms in the house. Utterly mental rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
The Fraser of Allander Institute provides a helpful summary of how yesterday's announcement affects Scotland:
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What can we conclude?
The Scottish Government’s Budget has increased significantly, to the tune of around £4.6bn since March to help it respond to the COVID-19 pandemic, with a further £800m of funding confirmed in the last few days to be added to the £3.8bn already announced.
Yesterday’s £30bn economic recovery plan for the UK resulted in very limited Barnett consequentials for the Scottish Government. The vast majority of the measures will work directly through reserved powers in Scotland rather than via devolved powers. Whether or not this is enough of a stimulus remains to be seen. It is widely expected that further measures will be announced by the UK Government later in the year.
Some of the asks set out by the Scottish Government’s Economic Recovery Group and in the Scottish Government’s submission to the UK Government last week have been made easier, but, in the main, there is limited new scope for Holyrood Ministers to do anything different (at least until the Budget in the autumn).
The Scottish Government’s pleas for flexibility on borrowing, and an ability to have greater flexibility within the fiscal framework, have so far gone unanswered.
Kate Forbes said that out of the 30b announced Scotland get 21m, Union of equalsQuote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Things like the furlough bonus will go direct from UK gov to businesses in Scotland because they're reserved things. So "Scotland" gets money but not via Scot Gov. The £21M is Barnett consequentials from the apprenticeship scheme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
So both sides were spinning confusion as usual.
Thought it would be something like that, thanks :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
So it's 2 meters in chapel but only one meter in the pub?
Boots announced last year they were planning on closing 200 stores in the UK this year. This was always going to happen regardless of Covid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I think it's that the "Scottish government" get that amount, "Scotland" gets its proportion, just directly rather than via the Scottish government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
I didn't really follow exactly how all of that £30bn was being used and what ScotGov would have done differently and there may well be something worth getting heat up about in the way each government would have used the money but I think it's being blown out of proportion when reported like that.
Is it reasonable to assume that hotels being open is a green light to have other households stay the night? Can't see that mentioned elsewhere. :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Wife is due back in her office on the 3rd August so must be around then.
NS said that's ok from tomorrow as part of the households indoors thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
I've seen this happen quite a lot when rules are being discussed (not just on here), that there's some people whose first instinct is to say "but you can't police it / force people to do it" or come up with some whataboutery on loopholes in the rules. I don't really see those things as being a huge issue though - if someone tells me that a rule has been put in place to help stop people from dying that tends to be enough for me to go along with it, it's not the threat of police chapping at my door that convinces me. I'd have thought the vast majority of others are the same but maybe I'm being naive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I'm obviously not referring to specific posts or posters on here, but I have noticed a general tendency for it to be Tory voters (broad generalisation of course) who throw up issues with policing the rules, as if their notion of civic responsibility is that people will only follow rules if there's a threat of punishment for failure to comply with them. It's an interesting curiosity but perhaps may explain some of the reasons for the prevalence of the virus being ten times higher in England than in Scotland. Scotland is generally taken to be a more socialist country so perhaps our natural approach (again generalising) is simply to follow rules that are seen to benefit society and not just ourselves?
Thanks! :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Does anyone know when workies will be able to do planned work in houses? Was due to have some works down the week of lockdown and that was obviously cancelled, had a good look at Gov.scot at all the phases and can see no mention of that, wife is desperate to get the work done TIA :agree:
No, Sturgeon would only say that phase 3 was likely to remain in place for longer than 3 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
We require an effective vaccine, a life saving drug and/or the transmission of the virus is so low that it can be controlled without the restrictions that are applicable in phase 3.
I can't see that being for several weeks yet.
10th July. :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
Totally.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
And both sides will claim that there is no way they are playing political games. Because that's obviously the last thing politicians would do. :greengrin
Thanks for all your updates. :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
No problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
If Boots was an isolated event I'd probably accept that and say it was a company using the situation to their advantage to cover previous failings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
The unemployment rate creeps ever higher though and there are daily announcements of job losses. I've seen yesterday's announcments described as 'radical' but they are anything but. There is limited help for retail and no help for wet led hospitality. The imminent winding down and ending of the furlough scheme is forcing companies still working under restrictions to make big decisions and the government have kicked the can down the road when it comes to offering meaningful support.
Similar with John Lewis, who actually announced the store closure plans in February:Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
https://www.theguardian.com/business...res-job-losses
As you say, this has next to nothing to do with the pandemic but it's convenient news with which to find fault with the government, whose quick actions to protect jobs at the start of lockdown were something they actually deserve some credit for.
Personally (and I stress personally because I'll be in the minority on here) I've been impressed with Sunak, especially as he'd barely stepped into the role before Covid-19 hit. As a self-employed worker I lost my job in March but the self-employment support scheme has (in my experience) been well run and a big help to me.
Boots and John Lewis aside, the bigger picture is that we're heading towards an almighty recession and as Sunak says, no government could pledge to save every job.
On the face of it the £1000 payment to companies for every furloughed worker they keep on their books until January looks like a good idea. Until you realise many of those workers would have been kept on anyway so the money is just getting spread thinly round everybody rather than being targeted at the areas that most need the support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Sensible move at Kelvingrove Park. I've got relatives who live not far from the park who say the debris left by big gatherings of drinkers has been appalling:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...-west-53347685
I'm not sure it's that sensible a move when it's though that the risk of transmitting the virus is 20 times less outside than indoors.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
Young people are not going to stop drinking/partying during the summer , if parks are closed they'll be doing it inside people's houses and flats.
You don’t shout and sing at the cinema though. I think that’s part of the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
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Can do it now. I got openreach man install full fibre to home kit a couple of weeks ago. I've got Plumber scheduled for a few jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by alhibby
Obvious in the manner of his taking over from The Saj that he was prepared to do whatever Cummings wanted, so it might well be that he is being groomed for the big job as Cummings's next No 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
Read today that the £1,000 is conditional on a minimum monthly wage of £520. So for those on or close to minimum wage who are not working long hours it won’t apply. No incentive for an employer to keep them on.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Or major redundancies in February on the cards ?
85 deaths registered across the UK today.
If you really need to make redundancies, £1k in February is unlikely to make much of a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by ACLeith
It’s a welcome boost for me tbh, and should see an unexpected £7k arrive in February.
The furlough scheme was welcome, as was the CBILS scheme. I had to borrow a six figure sum, and I’ve just had to watch it disappear over the past few months. It’s the price I had to pay to keep my business and keep my staff. It was a bit of a gamble based on people wanting - and being able to afford - what I offer when we get back to normal.
In the grand scheme of things this is a wee bonus that doesn’t make me do anything differently, and I’d be amazed if it affected any other sort of business differently.
Some really progressive and sensible reopening of more businesses and facilities in England announced.
I think they are now understanding the science and the risks.
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Interesting development on testing data yesterday as it turns out that previously data on some Scottish tests undertaken through the UK Government scheme was not being provided to the Scottish Government. Adding these tests in now shows that Scotland has a higher rate of testing per capita than the UK overall (8.71% vs 8.57%) under Pillar 1 (NHS testing) and Pillar 2 (privatised testing through UK government scheme) combined. It also shows that Scotland's reliance on the privatised testing is lower than the UK overall (36% in Scotland, 43% in UK).
Pillars 3 and 4 aren't reported for Scotland, not sure if that's because we don't do them or because the numbers can't be split out. Pillar 3 is serology testing (i.e. testing for antibodies to show if people have had the virus previously but now recovered), Pillar 4 is academic research type testing for national surveillance. The UK government includes both of those categories in their headline testing figures, but as I've mentioned previously, the main value of Pillar 3 seems to be if you're chasing a herd immunity strategy.
Do you think they understand the reasons for England having ten times the prevalence of the virus that Scotland has?Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulSmith
From the Pet Peeves thread ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Originally Posted by Future17
Who is "they" in this context?Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulSmith
I have very strong reservations about the accuracy of the test data reported by the UK Government. They haven't been providing full information for some weeks now, and the cumulative reported numbers of tests seems to change on a daily basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
I can't say I share your view.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulSmith
...Gyms?Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulSmith
Are you serious? :faf:
Show me a reputable scientist who thinks weighing the science and the risks together leads to the conclusion that you should open gyms up again, and you win a coconut and a bag of those magic beans.
I’ll pop back again in another four weeks and by then it will no doubt be something else that will cause an material increase in hospital admissions and deaths.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
I mean if you go back on this thread it was:
People going back to work in London
The first heatwave and beaches
Non wearing of masks
Protests
The second heatwave and beaches packed
Reopening of pubs
Reopening of non essential shops
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Are you saying those are the things that are causing England to have ten times the cases Scotland has?Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulSmith
I missed this one over the weekend, but it’s an interesting take on where it all originated from
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-emerged-asia/
Just had this same discussion with Mr Cruz. I gave him my theory. All those examples you listed have involved in the main, younger people. Therefore, unlikely to become seriously ill, require hospitalisation or perhaps even request a test. They're also less likely at this stage to be mixing in a normal fashion with older or vulnerable people who will understandably be more cautious just now. The reason over 3,000 people are still testing positive daily in England is down to the list you have provided imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulSmith
I doubt we'll ever know. As my auld Dad said today, "there's way to many experts oot there wae far too many contradictory theories, you wouldnae ken who to believe".Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
I'd say England's numbers are still high but it's nothing like 3,000 per day testing positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
Apologies, your right, that figure is there estimate of how many they reckon are currently infected each day. Read it earlier, but can't remember if it was the BBC website or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
It's the "anti-social behaviour and disorder, attacks on police officers and staggering amounts of discarded litter" that seems to be more of a concern than social distancing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
It may not have been possible for young folk to gather in pubs, clubs, flats etc in recent months but it doesn't make thoughtless behaviour like this OK when the park is for public use.
England has a 0.03% community infection rate as at July 5th.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
It was 0.25% back in May 21st.
Scotland’s is something like 0.009%.
That hopefully gives some people on here some context rather than a headline figure of “ten times the number of cases”.
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"Ten times" is perfectly adequate context to illustrate the fact that the policies you're so fond of don't come without consequences. How do those infection rates compare to early March? Didn't take long for that to turn into 60,000 dead huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulSmith
Scotland rolling 7 day average of people in hospital with C19 - 404
0.007% of the population
England rolling 7 day average of people in hospital with C19 - 1864
0.003% of the population
Are those figures right, I’ve just read them but unsure of the validity. Anyone comment?
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Scotland's 7 day average is 391, not sure about England.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulSmith
EDIT - I can't find data just for England but the 7 day average for the UK is 2647 in hospital as of 7th July.
I have no idea if those figures are correct. But if you want to compare them, you need to be sure that the policy for admitting cases to hospital is consistent across both areas. Is it? Who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulSmith
We need to be very careful when comparing numbers - and I include both UK and Scot Govts in that warning.
I agree with your comments. I have been impressed with the JRS scheme it has worked exactly as it says on the tin, credit to Sunak for that. (I never thought I would ever praise a Tory but we are indeed in strange times). It has certainly helped the charity I am involved with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
What irked me when I heard of the conditional £1K was that it had not been mentioned, I felt Sunak was better than that
Typical of the jammy bosch to luckily have a system! :rolleyes:Quote:
"It was a risk," says one senior source.
"We bet on red. And it came up black. The Germans were lucky. They had lots of machines lying around and a system in place. We had next to nothing.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...rules-12022566
Profoundly irrelevant to current policies. People who get seriously sick with this disease stay sick for a long time. I doubt your numbers are accurate anyway as what would be the point of quoting a 7 day rolling average when hospital stays run into multiple weeks. When did those people get admitted to hospital do you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulSmith
Either Scottish hospitals are performing miracles keeping people alive or those figures are dodgier than David Murray’s tax returns.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulSmith
Not to mention the fact that the easiest way to get hospital numbers down is to punt people back into care homes. Not that that would happen of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
"We bet on red. And it came up black. The Germans were lucky. They had lots of machines lying around and a system in place. We had next to nothing."Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
The luck of those Germans eh, with their well funded health system and government who fortuitously had contingency plans in place.
My 8 year old son was able to hug his grandparents and play with pals this week without worrying about social distancing. Next week he's staying with his other grandparents for a few days while myself and the wife get a break. It's all about priorities I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulSmith
I've always been worried by the high number of new cases in England as they open up much quicker than us. So it was good to see that the number fell by 29% last week.
Any mask wearer's got any recommendations on breathable face masks? Only been an hour and it's torture. Another 6 hours to go ...
There's a shop on Corstorphine road that sells all kinds. They were on STV News last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by scott_b_
To avoid confusion it’s on Corstorphine High Street opposite St Margaret’s Park not Road, it’s called Breathe Easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
We are both wrong actually. It's on St John's Road, think it's the old capability Scotland shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee
No mate Breathe Easy is on Corstorphine High St. Maybe they’ve taken another premises also?Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Edit: They have moved it to St John’s Road to expand operation.
What is it that you're needing to wear it for?Quote:
Originally Posted by scott_b_
Daily Scottish update;
18 new cases since yesterday - highest number in 3 weeks
Increase of 22 in hospital including a decrease of 5 in the confirmed cases
Increase of 3 in intensive care (1 confirmed case and 2 suspected cases)
4115 have left hospital since 5th March
No deaths registered since yesterday
Maximum of 20 can attend funerals, marriages and civil partnership ceremonies from next Wednesday.
Bit of a concern with the highest number in new cases for 3 weeks? Other stats aren't too bad, mind you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
I was at a funeral last week and 43 were allowed into the crematorium. Is this a new announcement?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Not sure if that should have happened - Sturgeon seemed to be suggesting that 20 was an increase on the previous rules rather than a decrease. :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Strange... .my pals father's funeral was last week and only 15 were allowed at Warriston.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
The Mass was limited to 11 (I think) with no hymns, no Holy Water, Communion in the hand only etc but the big Chapel at Warriston had loads of seat removed and it was definitely advised as 43 were allowed. More people stood outside and listened on speakers.Quote:
Originally Posted by stantonhibby
Ok thanks PB.....that makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Can't answer when fans will be allowed into stadiums, doesn't expect it any time soon.
FM doesn't seem too concerned by the jump in cases, as she says it's still a small number dispersed throughout the country so we can assume it's just a variation on the day to day figures.
There seems to be something a bit odd in the data today. It's reporting 13,000 tests completed under the UK government privatised scheme, compared to around 6,000 the day before, and a total of c.60,000 backdated tests added the day before that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SideBurns
The 18 cases aren't really concentrated in one area either (6 in Glasgow, 4 in Lothian, 2 in Grampian, Lanarkshire and D&G, and 1 each in Ayrshire and Fife). Hopefully just an anomaly and it'll drop down again tomorrow.
Very odd. Even the 6000 was a big spike. The norm for UK gov tests is around 1000/day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcksSR3X...jpg&name=largeQuote:
Originally Posted by PaulSmith
R number has risen in England.
https://news-sky-com.cdn.ampproject....asing-12025709
I would say that’s actually good news. Of course the reproduction rate would go up when you open pubs etc but only a small rise is impressive (so far)Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
As long as it's below 1 then number of infections will continue to fall. I wish they would just state a goal of elimination and go for that as well as us. They might as well, they're a million miles away from herd immunity. The more we all eliminate now, the better chance we have of avoiding a 2nd wave next winter (if no vaccine).Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoDoidge
Where Scotland leads, donkeys follow.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53365062
Well would you believe it!
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1...263575042?s=19
With the changes, can I now come home and visit my parents. Neither of us has been home now for 9 months.
I'd like to get back in 2020.
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Where do you live?Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Jimmy
Sorry if already posted, but I see Devi Sridhar, who is apparently "Nicola Sturgeon's public health adviser" is warning of another UK lockdown "in months if not weeks".
https://uk.style.yahoo.com/coronavir...105338374.html
Sridhar does advise ScotGov, and speaks very clear sense whenever she's on the tellybox, which is quite a lot. Sometimes makes me wonder who's getting the better advice on public health - Sturgeon, from a professor of public health, or Johnson, from a weirdo spad who can barely dress himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young