Coronavirus

[Mr Grieves]

Northern Ireland's CMO advising that visitors from the rest of the UK pose the greatest Covid risk. It'll be interesting to see how this one develops!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-53326213

[Moulin Yarns]

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Was that not for England only?

I assumed there would be similar rolled out in Scotland though.

YES, because he is the chancellor of the exchequer and has no say directly in such things in Scotland. You will have to wait for the announcement from the finance secretary at Holyrood.

[goosano]

I we are asking visitors or returnees from Spain to quarantine for 14 days theñ why are we not asking visitors from England to do the same? The levels of new cases per head of population are very similar.

[Sir David Gray]

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I we are asking visitors or returnees from Spain to quarantine for 14 days theñ why are we not asking visitors from England to do the same? The levels of new cases per head of population are very similar.

It would be unmanageable, I'm still not even clear how they're going to monitor people who fly from Spain into England and then drive into Scotland.

[Chorley Hibee]

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A strong housing market with lots of transactions benefits everyone as people have a tendency to spend money making their new homes nice for them.
Any kind of tax is a drag on transactions.


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Sorry, but I don't agree.

The Tories have been promoting a housing bubble since 1979.

All this does is drive prices up and deny even more people a home they can afford.

Keep Stamp Duty and invest in building social housing - driving down house prices, helping solve our endemic housing crisis, creating jobs, creating apprenticeships.

Rent and mortgage costs are sucking the air out of our economy.

It's ridiculous that multiple home owners are being given a tax break, whilst people who rent (40%) and still can't afford to enter the housing market (even more so with increased deposits required) are again ignored.

So much for their "levelling up" mantra.

[lapsedhibee]

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So much for their "levelling up" mantra.

Am starting to wonder if perhaps Johnson wasn't being entirely sincere when he said that.

It might even turn out to be the case that he never said it.

[goosano]

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It would be unmanageable, I'm still not even clear how they're going to monitor people who fly from Spain into England and then drive into Scotland.

Agreed it would be nigh on impossible to manage. But if we follow the science as the government keeps saying they are then it should be recommended that English visitors quarantine. They are the biggest threat to all the hard work that has been done to get new cases to under an average of 10 per day.

[Rocky]

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It would be unmanageable, I'm still not even clear how they're going to monitor people who fly from Spain into England and then drive into Scotland.

The FM said they would receive passenger lists from the Home Office for English airports too and those people would also be subject to spot checks.

[Sir David Gray]

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The FM said they would receive passenger lists from the Home Office for English airports too and those people would also be subject to spot checks.

I heard her say that and in theory that's fine but in reality I remain sceptical.

Hopefully the system works better than it did a few weeks ago when there were wasn't a single check done, despite claims to the contrary.

[Mr Grieves]

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It would be unmanageable, I'm still not even clear how they're going to monitor people who fly from Spain into England and then drive into Scotland.

It would be good if folk that do that take responsibility and do the right thing, you know, act like adults.

[Peevemor]

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It would be good if folk that do that take responsibility and do the right thing, you know, act like adults.

Except you know exactly what's going to happen.

Apart from people who think rules are for everyone else, there are also those who are normally more reasonable, but for something like this will think along the lines of "it's just me and I'm fine, so what's the harm?".

There's a lot of the latter going on in all things, minor and major, connected to Covid-19.

[Sir David Gray]

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It would be good if folk that do that take responsibility and do the right thing, you know, act like adults.

There's been a growing number of people who have failed to adhere to the rules in general since lockdown was relaxed in May (meeting up with more than the permitted number of people, meeting up in other households, going to the beach/park in large numbers, failing to wear a face covering on public transport, attending protests etc etc) so I'm not hopeful that these same people will abide by this rule.

[Ozyhibby]

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Sorry, but I don't agree.

The Tories have been promoting a housing bubble since 1979.

All this does is drive prices up and deny even more people a home they can afford.

Keep Stamp Duty and invest in building social housing - driving down house prices, helping solve our endemic housing crisis, creating jobs, creating apprenticeships.

Rent and mortgage costs are sucking the air out of our economy.

It's ridiculous that multiple home owners are being given a tax break, whilst people who rent (40%) and still can't afford to enter the housing market (even more so with increased deposits required) are again ignored.

So much for their "levelling up" mantra.

Build more houses. That’s all you need to do to make housing more affordable. Everything else is just a waste of time. If you construct supply like we do then prices will rise. It’s basic economics. I don’t care if they are social housing, private, mansions or flats. They just need to build them.

Also, multiple owners still pay the 3% stamp duty surcharge.


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[Rocky]

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I heard her say that and in theory that's fine but in reality I remain sceptical.

Hopefully the system works better than it did a few weeks ago when there were wasn't a single check done, despite claims to the contrary.

I believe the issue with those checks is that the Home Office wouldn't release the data to Scottish authorities so hopefully now that's resolved it'll be OK for the future.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...mpression=true


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[Hibbyradge]

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Yep I saw that tip on Facebook. It really works!

So you basically make the mask tighter?

[Peevemor]

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So you basically make the mask tighter?

I think it's as much to do with the angle of the top of the mask fitting your cheeks better.

[RyeSloan]

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Build more houses. That’s all you need to do to make housing more affordable. Everything else is just a waste of time. If you construct supply like we do then prices will rise. It’s basic economics. I don’t care if they are social housing, private, mansions or flats. They just need to build them.

Also, multiple owners still pay the 3% stamp duty surcharge.


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Not the thread to get into it but new build supply is not the simple panacea to high house prices you suggest.

Firstly show me any new build that is cheaper than an equivalent sized house in the same area.

Secondly it’s the cost of housing that is the issue. That cost is not driven by the ‘basic economics’ that you assume.

The intangible cost of planning (I.e it’s the restriction of land not the the supply of houses that is the driver), the cost of money (interest rates, availability of mortgages, income multiples) and the costs of buying/selling (fees and taxes that impact the velocity of the market) all have significant impacts.

Finally there is also the impact of skewed government interventions alongside the imbalances of economic activity that causes prices to be ‘hot’ in certain spots while you can buy a house in some areas of the country for £1.

OK I did get into it a bit there but please do not believe that the panacea to the ‘housing crisis’ is just a matter of build build build as its not and saying so is vastly over simplifying the problem and a bit of a mis understanding of the underlying drivers.

[Ozyhibby]

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Not the thread to get into it but new build supply is not the simple panacea to high house prices you suggest.

Firstly show me any new build that is cheaper than an equivalent sized house in the same area.

Secondly it’s the cost of housing that is the issue. That cost is not driven by the ‘basic economics’ that you assume.

The intangible cost of planning (I.e it’s the restriction of land not the the supply of houses that is the driver), the cost of money (interest rates, availability of mortgages, income multiples) and the costs of buying/selling (fees and taxes that impact the velocity of the market) all have significant impacts.

Finally there is also the impact of skewed government interventions alongside the imbalances of economic activity that causes prices to be ‘hot’ in certain spots while you can buy a house in some areas of the country for £1.

OK I did get into it a bit there but please do not believe that the panacea to the ‘housing crisis’ is just a matter of build build build as its not and saying so is vastly over simplifying the problem and a bit of a mis understanding of the underlying drivers.

I agree with everything you say. I know that the reason we can’t build more is the planning system. I also know that the govt restrict the supply of mortgages. All the things you mention are the reason we don’t build more. We build less houses per year than just about every country in Europe (per head). Fix all those things you list and we can start solving the housing problem. Until then, prices will continue to rise.


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[G B Young]

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Agreed it would be nigh on impossible to manage. But if we follow the science as the government keeps saying they are then it should be recommended that English visitors quarantine. They are the biggest threat to all the hard work that has been done to get new cases to under an average of 10 per day.

What about Scots who regularly travel back and forward to England for work? Or the Scots who have booked holidays in England this summer? Are they not a 'threat' too?

As SDG says it would be unmanageable to impose those sort of quarantine checks.

[Ozyhibby]

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What about Scots who regularly travel back and forward to England for work? Or the Scots who have booked holidays in England this summer? Are they not a 'threat' too?

Yes they are. There are no perfect solutions. We are trying to suppress the virus best we can. It would be better to have neighbours who were doing their best as well but we don’t so we just have to make do. Coming up with different scenarios where people need to travel to England isn’t really the point. The point is we are saying if you go to Spain then you should isolate when you come back as it has not controlled the virus yet. And don’t go to England if you don’t have to. It might be unmanageable to do the checks but the govt is asking you to behave responsibly.


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[Moulin Yarns]

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I agree with everything you say. I know that the reason we can’t build more is the planning system. I also know that the govt restrict the supply of mortgages. All the things you mention are the reason we don’t build more. We build less houses per year than just about every country in Europe (per head). Fix all those things you list and we can start solving the housing problem. Until then, prices will continue to rise.


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Is that the same planning system Boris accused of slowing the process because of newts or the one that has approved the building of at least 5,000 new homes, and schools, businesses and shops in and around Perth in the last 3 years?

[easty]

I don't think it should be a basic human right that you get to own a house. Renting is fine. If you can afford to buy, afford to save for a deposit, then great. If not, then it goes along with all the other things you can't afford to do - holidays/cars/etc.

I didn't live in a house that wasn't a council/housing association house, until I bought my first when I was about 25, and I'd saved a load of money up to do it, nae handouts from parents.

[Sylar]

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I don't think it should be a basic human right that you get to own a house. Renting is fine. If you can afford to buy, afford to save for a deposit, then great. If not, then it goes along with all the other things you can't afford to do - holidays/cars/etc.

I didn't live in a house that wasn't a council/housing association house, until I bought my first when I was about 25, and I'd saved a load of money up to do it, nae handouts from parents.

How did you manage to do that? Were you living at home with your parents while you were saving? If so, it's a handout in all but name.

Some folk don't have the luxury of being able to live with their parents, and if they're forced to rent, they simply can't save enough capital for a mortgage deposit. Renting IS fine, but the idea of retirement then becomes challenging if you're lumped with rental payments until you snuff it.

[Pretty Boy]

Boots announcing they are cutting 4000 jobs.

The economic fallout from all of this is going to be catastrophic and the Chancellors performance yesterday doesn't fill me with any confidence that the government are going to do anything remotely radical to alleviate the situation.

[Sir David Gray]

Daily Scottish update;

6 new cases since yesterday
Decrease of 121 in hospital including a decrease of 16 in the confirmed cases
Decrease of 2 in intensive care
No deaths registered since yesterday

[Sir David Gray]

Phase 3 confirmed.

[Sir David Gray]

General rule remaining at 2 metres distancing - retail and public transport are exempt.

[Sir David Gray]

From tomorrow;

Children under 12 don't need to distance indoors
Up to 15 people can meet outdoors
Up to 8 people can meet indoors across 3 households
Adults can't meet 4 households in any one day

[Sir David Gray]

13th July;

Organised sport for children can restart
Shopping centres can fully reopen
Dental practices can reopen for non-aerosol treatment
Mothers can have someone at anti/post natal appointments