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Have they agreed and paid terms for their former manager yet.
Their contract with him was automatically voided when they were relegated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
I mean compensation to Barnsley
Neilson back, trying to get Craig Gordon back, probably go for The big nosed Czech too..... there's only one way this is heading hahaha
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Whether they do or not, Hearts are playing in the championship. The court has no power to force reconstruction so the best they can hope for is compensation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco G
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Apparently they met his release fee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzywuzzy
That’s not strictly true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It is highly unlikely to be successful but they are asking the court to change the resolution that was passed to remove the relegation and promotions.
You mean Anderson met the release fee.Quote:
Originally Posted by BH Hibs
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So the exact opposite of a money-spinning replay?Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
Is it automatically reinstated if they manage to stay in the premier is the questionQuote:
Originally Posted by Estupendo
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Now that would be funny, a court case maybe ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
It wasn't an automatic release AIUI. It was an option for either side to break the contract. That option has now been taken up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
Dundee United would fall apart if that happened. So much for doing no harm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Ok i may have misunrstood his agent who mentioned that because of relegation it terminated his contract however if hearts stayed up he would still have one. That was on the radio a while back.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
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I don’t think so. I’m not sure what place on the page they are on, but some of them are talking about reconstruction being announced this week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco G
It’s a no brainier from Neilson’s point of view. He’ll probably be on better money than at Dundee Utd and get more to spend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
He’ll also be confident that if they do have to play in the Championship it’ll only be for a season.
Hopefully it’ll go belly-up though!
Guys on Twitter saying Davie Weir as sporting director.
Would that be a good move on their part? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbycraig
I guess anyone would be better than Levein.
hearts are a bigger club than Dundee United. They’re a basket case, but they’re still a bigger club, located in one of the most beautiful cities on earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Not really hard to see why he’s gone back.
aa much as we hate them surely we can admit to that.
Attachment 23677In fact he basically handed us the cup!Quote:
Originally Posted by Clarence
Gordon thinking over a two year deal from Hearts, they’re throwing the cash about.
They have it to throw about. Except at the existing playing staff of course. I wonder how they are feeling watching the savings made from their pay cuts being spent on getting the old gang back together. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee
Budge certainly knows how to fire up the passion in their support.
All positive vibes coming out from our rivals at the moment.
What could possibly go wrong :greengrin
As bad as a player you have been and part of a terrible team you agree a pay cut in good faith to help Hearts survive the pandamic.You have a contract so you did not have to agree to the pat cut but it was the right thing to do under the circumstances.You are enjoying fathers day with your young kids when news breaks that Hearts are spending big on Neilson and probably Weir and Gordon.How must you feel fowards your current employer.If this was any other than a football club you would be off to see your Union official.If that is how big clubs act thank god i am a Hibby.
Thing is, even their best case, daydream scenario; court undoes the resolution, what’s to stop the league just tabling it again? I’m sure there’s a solid majority of clubs ready to vote for it again.
If their case is solely hanging on the circumstances of the vote, not the outcome, then surely they’re stuffed either way?
It was never in doubt after Hanlon’s equaliser.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clarence
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Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia
I think Neilson’s got self-respect issues, personally.
Would you really go back to a previous employer who had shown so little faith in your abilities that they binned you for Ian Cathro? Would you work again for customers who had hired a plane to criticise you so publicly?
I certainly wouldn’t, but each to their own.
It’s a strange one right enough. There’s not even an argument that it was under a different regime, Budge was in charge when he was hounded out the door first time around.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Money talks though.
When do Hearts start back training
Disagree don't think it shows him in a good light at all. Of course entirely up to him what he does but going back to a club where the fans forced him out seems odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
No doubt the same ones that said it would happen last week and the week before and the week before that.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
I really hope the cup semi goes ahead now..
Imagine if we knocked them out again?
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Absolutely sums them up to a tee, but they can’t see it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wee Effen Bee
If I were Utd I’d get the money up frontQuote:
Originally Posted by BH Hibs
Bit of a comedown for Hearts.Only got two managers on the books at the moment instead of the normal three.
The phrase "what attracted you to the millionaire Paul Daniels?" comes to mind. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
I wonder what changed in less than a week?
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...rector-2886514
Hearts delay decision on Daniel Stendel until they identify sporting director
By Moira Gordon
Wednesday, 17th June 2020, 7:00 am
Hearts have warned Daniel Stendel that he may have to wait another month before they are in a position to negotiate his managerial future, with owner Ann Budge revealing that identifying a sporting director is currently a higher priority.
The Gorgie chairwoman has spent the past couple of months fighting to preserve the club’s Premiership status and was unable to offer the German any assurances during that time. With Monday’s collapse of league reconstruction talks, the capital club, who are launching a last-gasp legal battle, have had to prepare to spend next season in the Championship.
As things stand, though, a clause nullifying his original deal should the club drop down a division has been activated in Stendel’s contract, prompting speculation that his short association with the Tynecastle club is about to come to an end.
Admitting that discussions have some way to go before the former Barnsley manager’s future is resolved, Budge says it will ultimately come down to finances, and his willingness to sit tight while she presses on with filling the position of sporting director.
“I have been speaking to Daniel about the future and what will work for Daniel and for us. These conversations are ongoing,” Budge said.
While far from certain, she has not written off Stendel returning to Tynecastle for the new season. “The bottom line is that Daniel feels that things are unfinished for him,” Budge added. “He came here to do a job but didn’t get the chance to do what he hoped, so from that perspective he is certainly driven to see things through.”
Stendel arrived in December 2019 but had failed to lift the capital side off the foot of the table by the time the season was called to a premature halt by Covid 19 in March. That led to Hearts being jettisoned into the Championship despite there being eight games of the campaign remaining.
“We do have a lot to sort out,” stated Budge. “A lot of it will be financial and there has to be the understanding that it is a different scenario from when we negotiated originally. Clearly we have things to resolve, regarding players and the other coaches, etc. So it is not going to be a particularly quick decision.
“I know it is frustrating for everybody but there are still so many unknowns and the other thing I have been working on in the background is identifying a sporting director. I feel I need that more quickly.
“If we are in the Championship we won’t be playing before October so players won’t be back until the middle of August. So that gives me time to get the sporting director sorted out as quickly as possible.”
There is a preliminary shortlist and with the tussle with the SPFL about to be handed over to her legal team, she says she will now work her way through online interviews with candidates in the hope that an appointment can
be made by mid-July at the latest.
“That’s the timetable I am working to but it could depend on the individual but I want to make my mind up over the next few weeks so that they can be in place to oversee any signings we may be able to make,” said Budge.
Although stressing that none of the squad has signalled a desire to leave, she says any budget for new arrivals may depend on whether current players balk at a shortened campaign in the second tier.
The Championship is scheduled to begin on 17 October and teams will play each other three times instead of four, for a total of 27 matches.
Budge wants the sporting director’s input in any such discussions and when it comes to either renegotiating a new contract with Stendel or determining a replacement.
“As soon as Monday’s [reconstruction] decision was taken, I had people sending me managers’ CVs but I want to keep the dialogue open with Daniel,” she revealed.
“I know he is frustrated, as we all are, by the waiting and the uncertainty, and I have told him that I will understand if another job he likes the sound of comes along and he wants to take it, but I do think it is important that the sporting director and the manager are compatible and can work together so I don’t want to rush into anything until I get that position filled.”
Stendel, who took over as Hearts manager on 7 December last year, has waived his wages during the coronavirus crisis.
Will someone please just think of the poor Kickbackers who changed their avatars to wee German flags and spent weeks Deutsch sprechen to each other
I guess Moira Gordon must be part of the fake news media.
The only truth to be found is on Hearts website, or via pliant stooge Banderson.
Are they all talking caveman now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
He’s mini caveman, there’s only 1 cavemanQuote:
Originally Posted by Coco Bryce
And all for a manager they hounded out.
How long until Cathro is the new messiah.
Diet Caveman :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Bet he’s feeling like a right t!t after that bad decision. He must be spewing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
Barney Rubble?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coco Bryce
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Originally Posted by grunt
Depends end of august or septemberQuote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Or right away if they win in court
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Dundee United are looking for around £8M in compo for Neilson.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53136308
Hearts have got it sussed according to Tom English.
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Levein wants the United job !
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
A little nugget buried in there.....
The fact is, though, it would take a few more of Neilson's vital organs and a lot of James Anderson's - and the club's other benefactors' - money to get that one across the line.
There are more than 2 :cb
"Snappy decisions". I thought English was supposed to be a journalist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I suspect you're right but he may have been referring to F of H.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
AB has always used the plural. Someone on here suggested that the plural could have been Anderson and his wife, which is fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by brog
But I was forgetting about the 400,000 other benefactors.:greengrin
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Honestly, when does T English get sacked? His myopia is unbelievable.
The biggest factor in Hearts getting relegated is Hearts. No one ‘put them down’... the SPFL just refused to overturn the rule that says the club that finishes bottom of the league gets relegated.
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
"Now that they've got their manager there are only a few minor issues left to resolve - the legal action to either win back their place in the Premiership or win a truckload of compensation from those who put them down..."
They put themselves down by only winning 4 games all season. Fed up reading pish like this from Hearts mouthpieces like English. There are other possible outcomes to their legal action, not that you'd know it if you followed BBC coverage.
Amazing that he only considered the two options as the ones being available - reinstatement or compensation. There is the third option, which is neither, and I'd put my money on that being the one that transpires.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlesgaeHibby
Robbie wasn't binned,the approach from MK was turned down but Robbie requested to speak with them, the rumour at the time was he wasn't getting on with Levein interfering with first team matters. With Levein now gone he was obviously keen on a return after Stendel informing Ann he has had an offer in GermanyQuote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/arti...pdate-from-ann
Yet another Hearts statement. When they posted about the legal case she said they wouldn't be posting again.Quote:
Let me begin by warmly welcoming Robbie Neilson back to the club as first-team manager. Robbie will take up his duties, officially, on 1st July, 2020.The news that Robbie is to return to Hearts has taken everyone somewhat by surprise. It was my stated intention to prioritise the appointment of a Sporting Director, prior to confirming any new manager appointment. However, in all businesses, even “the best laid plans” may have to be altered to cope with changing circumstances.
While Robbie agreeing to come back is excellent news, it does mean we have to say goodbye to Daniel. The uncertainties surrounding Scottish Football in general and Hearts’ situation in particular, has put enormous pressure on all of us, not least Daniel. He has shown great patience and understanding throughout this enormously challenging time. I cannot thank him enough for the support he has given to our Club.
None of us expected our relationship to be so short-lived but then none of us ever expected to have to deal with the effects of a global pandemic. It is clear that all Clubs are having to rethink their short-medium plans and we are no different.
I do want to thank Daniel very sincerely for his fantastic support and leadership during his short spell with us. He made a big impact on our operation and we are much better for having had his services. Had it not been for Covid-19 and its impact, I have no doubt that Daniel would have had a very successful and enjoyable time here at Hearts.
Daniel became a firm fans’ favourite in a very short space of time. On behalf of everyone here at the Club, the Board, the staff, the players and, of course, the supporters, I want to wish him and his assistants, Jorg Sievers and Dale Tonge, the very best of luck for their future success. They will always be welcomed back here at Tynecastle.
This is the second statement in two days.
This one deals with the departure of dearly beloved Daniel. Apparently his leaving is (somehow?) due to the global pandemic and nothing to do with the fact that he was a rubbish manager.
When their hired training facility opens to the general public?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
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In response to the old woman’s statement, I had to laugh at this:
Nice touch. Confirms that no matter what has happened, we believe Stendel is an absolute diamond and model pro. Just hope he can find a job now where he isn’t walking into a **** show of the highest order with a bunch of mercenaries. Oh the irony !!! :faf::faf::faf:
Remaining at a club of Hearts stature would surely have been more alluring to Neilson than moving to the English equivalent of Livingston. Hearts had the means to keep him if they wanted but they were happy to let him go once the compensation was right. You can try and re-write history but the truth is a majority of fans wanted him gone and he wasn’t sticking around somewhere he knows he wasn’t wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by mowgli
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Originally Posted by mowgli
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It’s ok mate, we’ve been following the story ourselves. Posting the Hearts propaganda line on here is cute but dumb. No one believes it.
Anyhow, however you’ve done it, Neilson is a good re-appointment. He’s proved himself as a Championship manager.
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Bedsheets out already outside the bus shelter. Weird weird bunch.
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https://twitter.com/Scott_Hay_/statu...96735925313536
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It is the exact same narrative as the Hun apologists used when The Rangers were "relegated" by all the other clubs to the 4th division, rather than being allowed to start again in the Championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlesgaeHibby
Being gay isn't that big a deal these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by TelaStella
Welcome Back Robbie, you will forever be a Hibs Legend!! :not worth:not worth:not worth
Outside Budge's house
Is that def Budge’s house? I thought it was somewhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
No idea. Someone put it in our whatsapp group and said it was her house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
English of course ignored the other option of they get laughed at in court and are due legal fees to spfl.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlesgaeHibby
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Originally Posted by Hibs4185
100% that is Budges house , been there nearly ten years. The white car is her Merc with personalised reg plates.
What does it say at the bottomQuote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
I’m starting to get the impression that English is ripping the Colin Nish out of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Im assuming its the same ones that were kicking about 4 years ago..Quote:
Originally Posted by 660
Haha apologised for what? Us winning the cup?Quote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
Own up who was this
We’ve got a stylish Robbie Neilson
A Scotsman who came from Dundee way
He’s brought in effective winning football
Let's hope he can keep the planes at bay
And we’ve got Scotland in a shock
Doncaster’s in the dock
Neilson’s got us playing, we’re on the up
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Originally Posted by we are hibs
Sorry if I’m being thick, but what exactly am I looking at here?!
A Phoodle.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Robbie Neilson as a "phoodle". Think the nickname started when the rumours where going about Levein was picking the team and he was just a front hence being called a lapdog and a wee poodle. Think the apology thing is due to us knocking them out the cup after claiming a replay would be a good money spinnerQuote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Numpty on Superscoreboard said it was one of us. Aye okay pal. Just like when they tried to blame us when one of their own spray painted 'Levein Out' on their plaza badge.Quote:
Originally Posted by TelaStella
Probably already posted, but I see Budge has finally got round to acknowledging Stendel's departure.
'Daniel made a big impact' she says. Well I guess steering them to bottom spot and getting relegated qualfies as a big impact.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53140085
"Budge, meanwhile, acknowledged Neilson's arrival from Championship winners Dundee United had "taken everyone somewhat by surprise" after she had prioritised the arrival of a sporting director".Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
Did he appoint himself or something?
Usual nonsense. What has Covid got to do with him leaving? If he was a decent manager then let him get on with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
They’ve confused themselves now with what impact Covid did or did not have on them. Pretty desperate stuff to try an get some mileage from something that has killed thousands.
But why Phoodle and not poodle?Quote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
I have missed statements that directly relate to the football fromQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
budge. She really doesn’t have a clue, not one iota. Her bigging up Stendal is comedy in itself. The guy reluctantly came here, couldn’t wait to pop back to Germany (remember Xmas), tried a different style of football and failed on every level. Brought in high paid players and they failed as well. He was 99% heading towards relegation. Even the fans had turned on him.
I’m sure the day he was appointed St Johnstone were bottom of the league, they ended up finishing 7th(promoted to 6th) that’s what making an impact is all about, not taking your team further behind than when you started. Still I suppose he was up for a pint in the diggers.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
The thing is that Levein would have probably have kept them up.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
On what basis? Levein had a terrible 12-18 months. The results under him were hilariously bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
Hearts position in the league became worse after Daniel took over. Levein would never had used the high press which cost Stendel so many games. Levein would have ground out results and brought some fight to the team. It would not have been pretty but probably would have saved them.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
I don't doubt that. It was amusing when he got the bullet but I didn't think they'd be relegated. Under Stendel it looked a certainty.Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
Lol first time i’ve ever seen a Hibby call him Daniel. Doesnt feel right.Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
He’s a hero now. The Jambo equivalent of Butcher - go in on an inflated wage, raise hell, relegation, leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waxy
Dundee United chairman saying it's a sideways step for Neilson and that he thought he would move on to a bigger club than Dundee United when he eventually left. Ouch.
Does he not know Hearts fans call themselves the third biggest, hugest, bigliest club in world football?
A bit off topic, but see the big windae behind the banner? If HoMFC had had the glass tinted like that with black frames their new stand would have looked much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by TelaStella
Easier to lick too. The frames give something to hold onto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
‘win compensation for those who put them down’. ‘Hearts have it sussed’. ‘Shankland is the next big prize’Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Toms definitely on the poppythief payroll.
He can say it, but its not true. Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen are all considerably bigger clubs than utd, by almost every measure, id suggest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
How about using the league a club plays in as a measure. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by James Stephen
Touche!Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I did say almost every measure 😁