Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

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Originally Posted by Filled Rolls

Only in Scotland could 10 clubs out of 12 be made to sound like a minority. "The Gang of 10", that's not a faction that's the top division. The longer this goes on, the more I am convinced we must break away from the Glasgow dominated hegemony.

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That's how I saw it too. The word "gang" also has various negative implications: unruly, disorganised, rebellious, a threat, lacking in structure and quality, unpredictable, outside the law/rules and so on.

How dare they meet up without the big two's permission/blessing etc.

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Originally Posted by magpie1892

http://forum.followfollow.com/showthread.php?t=878312

Football club defunct, so we now have this as an (renewed) alternative. It's a wee bit creepy.

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What does it say?

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Originally Posted by Hibs Class

I really don't understand why sevco should think them supporting a change to the 11:1 voting structure is a card they have to play. Given that it is only the OF who now support 11:1, any decision which sees sevco not allowed into the SPL can quickly be followed by another vote of SPL members in which celtc can vote to retain it and the rest of the clubs can support the change to e.g. 8:4

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Correct. It might of been a carrot on a stick prior to the CVA being chucked out but it is now a totally and utterly defunct point. See you later Rangers we reject you your access to the SPL, oh hello Dundee listen do you fancy getting a bigger share of the readies in the SPL??? Good then join us in voting through this rule change and we will have the power.

I hope to god that lot end out on their ear i really do. More than anything now i wish someone would just end it, its getting ridiculous and ppl have the brass neck to saying not having them in the league would affect other clubs ability to attract sponsors. Because they are just queing up to sponsor a rigged league that is being dragged through the mire oh and to top it all off the club that done it has also stiffed the ordinary tax payer for near on £100m.

Disgusting situation and more importantly is the disgusting way it is now being handled by the people reportedly in charge of the game in this country and the media.

Sorry. Rant done.

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Originally Posted by archiecoby

That is embarassing. Is there no end to the SFA/SPL corruption??

If they do this its just for Rangers to come back within a year - bending, completely changing rules for a dead football team

Sickening - every fan in Scotland (Sevco FC apart) need to stick together on this or the Scottish game is finished.

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:top marks

I've got two neebors in my street who are Rangers daft, I think I'll try and use my powers of persuasion toget them to change their allegiance to a local team like Hibs. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Darth Hibbie

I think thats a pretty fair assessment to be honest. The outcomes of the various investigations are where things get slightly muddy for me. I am not sure I trust the SFA/SPL to dish out the appropriate punishment. Hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised.

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Couldn't agree more, it seems the closer we get to some sort of resolution of this saga more effort is expended by the dark forces surrounding Castle Greyskull to create obfuscations heavily laced with logical inconsistencies ans downright untruths. The bottom line remains that what was the Huns have been cheating on an almost industrial scale for years, not satisfied with the advantage emanating fron the deep cleavages in Scottish society. Quite frankly, I an sick to fed up with the continual rewriting of reality and blatant partiality shown on behalf of this "institution" and that if they are saved from the consequences of their own actions it will be nothing more or less than corruption on a grand scale. A corruption that I for one do not wish to partake in.

http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/fra..._company_fraud

I quote

"Although this is perfectly legal, fraud is committed when the directors abuse the phoenix company arrangement and transfer the assets of the failing company below their market value, before insolvency"

Sound Familiar????

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Originally Posted by jamesjamieson

:top marks

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Basically, they are proposing to change the name of Division One to SPL 2, and have Rangers start there. So transparently corrupt it's laughable.

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

What does it say?

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From swallowswallow:

"This is a time when those of a Protestant, Unionist and/or Loyalist persuasion take to the streets to demonstrate their respect for their country and their faith and freedoms. At this time when we are beset on all sides and surrounded by complete hatred, it is time to come together as a people and support those who do so.

Appeasement has not worked. We have rightly stopped certain add-ons and chants. We have given up on classic songs and not been able to find alternatives without risk of punishment. The dark spectre of independence hangs over our country and there is a lack of respect for bothe scotland and the Uk with an Irish-minded mafia ruling the roost in our country for which millions have fought and died over centuries.

We should get back to our roots, and stick with our friends. The Orange Order, the Royal Black Institution, the Apprentice Boys of Derry, the Masonic and even things like the Church and the Boy's Brigade, all have ties to our Football Club, whether we like it or not.

Now I understand why the OO do not like to admit members in June or July, people who might join just to be part of the wonderful celebrations during the summer and then disappear. However, I would open it up to all at this time. Whether people are allowed to march or not, the fraternal organisations are open to members and should be all year.

I think this year in particular we should get right behind the celebrations. If an atheist or anti-religious, it is still perfectly acceptable to show support for an Institution that supports and celebrates freedom of religion. If an RC but Rangers-minded then the same applies. These organisations are not all about Rangers but those who support other teams within them probably don't have the same level of vitriol towards us.

This is possibly the only opportunity we have on an annual basis, in June, July and August, to demonstrate for our traditional beliefs and culture. It is no longer anti-anything, but simply pro-Protestant and the Union, or the right to be British. I hope there is a great turnout this year and it is a family celebration like never before. If we don't support our traditional organisations they too will be forced off the road and we will have no vehicle for demonstration. Rangers fans have shown great decorum so far so the blue bag brigade should become a thing of te past and these things are a time for family celebration, in this year of our Queen's Diamond Jubilee, I wish every Rangers supporter, and sympathetic Scotsman or Briton, would give it their full support and backing."

How backward are these people and what century are they living in :rolleyes::bitchy:

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Originally Posted by magpie1892

From swallowswallow:

"This is a time when those of a Protestant, Unionist and/or Loyalist persuasion take to the streets to demonstrate their respect for their country and their faith and freedoms. At this time when we are beset on all sides and surrounded by complete hatred, it is time to come together as a people and support those who do so.

Appeasement has not worked. We have rightly stopped certain add-ons and chants. We have given up on classic songs and not been able to find alternatives without risk of punishment. The dark spectre of independence hangs over our country and there is a lack of respect for bothe scotland and the Uk with an Irish-minded mafia ruling the roost in our country for which millions have fought and died over centuries.

We should get back to our roots, and stick with our friends. The Orange Order, the Royal Black Institution, the Apprentice Boys of Derry, the Masonic and even things like the Church and the Boy's Brigade, all have ties to our Football Club, whether we like it or not.

Now I understand why the OO do not like to admit members in June or July, people who might join just to be part of the wonderful celebrations during the summer and then disappear. However, I would open it up to all at this time. Whether people are allowed to march or not, the fraternal organisations are open to members and should be all year.

I think this year in particular we should get right behind the celebrations. If an atheist or anti-religious, it is still perfectly acceptable to show support for an Institution that supports and celebrates freedom of religion. If an RC but Rangers-minded then the same applies. These organisations are not all about Rangers but those who support other teams within them probably don't have the same level of vitriol towards us.

This is possibly the only opportunity we have on an annual basis, in June, July and August, to demonstrate for our traditional beliefs and culture. It is no longer anti-anything, but simply pro-Protestant and the Union, or the right to be British. I hope there is a great turnout this year and it is a family celebration like never before. If we don't support our traditional organisations they too will be forced off the road and we will have no vehicle for demonstration. Rangers fans have shown great decorum so far so the blue bag brigade should become a thing of te past and these things are a time for family celebration, in this year of our Queen's Diamond Jubilee, I wish every Rangers supporter, and sympathetic Scotsman or Briton, would give it their full support and backing."

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Originally Posted by joe breezy

How backward are these people and what century are they living in :rolleyes::bitchy:

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17th century, at a guess.

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Originally Posted by magpie1892

17th century, at a guess.

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Its not 17th Centry...just modern day Armadale

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Originally Posted by down-the-slope

Its not 17th Centry...just modern day Armadale

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There's a difference?

Taking into account what has been said by Jim Spence and leaked out by Yorkston.
The fans of the 10 clubs are now making the decisions for this league and not the chairmen, By holding onto their cash and not buying season tickets and quote "putting clubs into meltdown".
By holding their position for another month or so the fans of the 10 clubs can guarantee a No vote regarding the newco in the SPL.
Simple math of even a 1000 people at £400 and there is your huge hole in a clubs balance, that rivals any loss by Tv revenue.

This has to be the reason for a sudden rush for League reconstruction imo. Time for the fans to hold strong :wink:

...........(also power from the other remaining Glasgow 'giant' has been greatly reduced since their rivals were liquidated, so their ass will be flapping)

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Originally Posted by youngyosh

Taking into account what has been said by Jim Spence and leaked out by Yorkston.
The fans of the 10 clubs are now making the decisions for this league and not the chairmen, By holding onto their cash and not buying season tickets and quote "putting clubs into meltdown".
By holding their position for another month or so the fans of the 10 clubs can guarantee a No vote regarding the newco in the SPL.
Simple math of even a 1000 people at £400 and there is your huge hole in a clubs balance, that rivals any loss by Tv revenue.

This has to be the reason for a sudden rush for League reconstruction imo. Time for the fans to hold strong :wink:

...........(also power from the other remaining Glasgow 'giant' has been greatly reduced since their rivals were liquidated, so their ass will be flapping)

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I was shocked when Yorkston said a spl club had only sold a 100 ST's. That's crazy

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Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw

I was shocked when Yorkston said a spl club had only sold a 100 ST's. That's crazy

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Fan Power!!


taken from the bounce:

"The email has been sent to the SPL clubs, SFA, SPL and various scottish media contacts also.
Hopefully other fan groups can do similar as our main collective aim should be to get the message across to the clubs prior to any vote taking place.


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For the attention of the Board of Directors

The following letter represents the views of the majority of users on the two main Hibernian fans forums hibs.net and hibeesbounce.com with 10,298 and 11,575 registered users respectively. The position of these fans is abundantly clear based on two opinion polls carried out within the last week on the aforementioned websites and a multitude of other threads on this subject.

1224 (99.19%) of users polled stated a Rangers Newco should not be allowed into the SPL in 2012/13.
103 (90.35%) stated they would be willing to boycott the stadia of clubs voting yes to a Rangers Newco.



To SPL Clubs:

Sirs

Mindful of the imminent meeting of SPL chairmen to consider the application of Newco Rangers to gain admission to our Premier League, we, the fans of Hibernian F.C., consider it vital that you should be aware of our feelings on the matter so that you are better enabled to come to a decision in the interests of the game of football in Scotland.

Be in no doubt whatsoever that we are fervently opposed to the admission of a club which, though it may have given itself a new name, is of the same spiritual essence, and has been responsible for the greatest fraudulence perpetrated in sport in Scotland, described by an eminent advocate as tantamount to match fixing.

We are aware that some among you are fearful of the financial consequences of a league without Newco Rangers. Let us point out to you that any losses you contemplate are minimal compared with what you have already lost in diminished attendances. When disaffected fans realised that they had little or no chance of winning silverware of any kind, they preferred to stay at home. Top league placings, European competition and resultant financial benefits remained, forever, the exclusive, almost right, of the premier two.

We put it to you that a future involving a re-admitted Newco promises to be even more bleak financially. A large number of fans are resolved not to return to Scottish football at all. Those who will return have made it clear that they will attend no games involving Newco Rangers or indeed games involving clubs whose directors have acquiesced in inclusion. This is in no way a threat, rather a warning of the financial and other consequences of what we consider a misguided vote.

A number of us watched football in Scotland when the playing field was much more level, when any one of a number of excellent clubs might gain the laurel wreath. That possibility has been thwarted in recent times by filthy lucre, and recently corruption.

Let us restore pride and probity to our game, both more important and less ephemeral than a handful of silver. We have no doubt that our game will profit more in so many respects if corruption is consigned to where it belongs.

We, the fans of the other Scottish clubs, who are endeavouring to live within our means, would urge you to administer commensurate punishment, no more, and to reject the overtures of a rabid and self-interested Glasgow media. We ask this with the best interests of our game at heart, both local and international. Judas, it must be remembered, gained nothing from his abandonment of integrity.

Yours sincerely

- on behalf of Hibernian Fans"

Was it Cheshire/Warrington Hibs that did the SPL survey?
If they can tie in to email addresses perhaps they can follow up to see how attitudes have changed/hardened over time and to ask about this potential fudge?

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Originally Posted by Littlest Hobo

I've got two neebors in my street who are Rangers daft, I think I'll try and use my powers of persuasion toget them to change their allegiance to a local team like Hibs. :greengrin

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I know we're inclusive but ... :wink:

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Originally Posted by DC_Hibs

Fan Power!!


taken from the bounce:

"The email has been sent to the SPL clubs, SFA, SPL and various scottish media contacts also.
Hopefully other fan groups can do similar as our main collective aim should be to get the message across to the clubs prior to any vote taking place.


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For the attention of the Board of Directors

The following letter represents the views of the majority of users on the two main Hibernian fans forums hibs.net and hibeesbounce.com with 10,298 and 11,575 registered users respectively. The position of these fans is abundantly clear based on two opinion polls carried out within the last week on the aforementioned websites and a multitude of other threads on this subject.

1224 (99.19%) of users polled stated a Rangers Newco should not be allowed into the SPL in 2012/13.
103 (90.35%) stated they would be willing to boycott the stadia of clubs voting yes to a Rangers Newco.



To SPL Clubs:

Sirs

Mindful of the imminent meeting of SPL chairmen to consider the application of Newco Rangers to gain admission to our Premier League, we, the fans of Hibernian F.C., consider it vital that you should be aware of our feelings on the matter so that you are better enabled to come to a decision in the interests of the game of football in Scotland.

Be in no doubt whatsoever that we are fervently opposed to the admission of a club which, though it may have given itself a new name, is of the same spiritual essence, and has been responsible for the greatest fraudulence perpetrated in sport in Scotland, described by an eminent advocate as tantamount to match fixing.

We are aware that some among you are fearful of the financial consequences of a league without Newco Rangers. Let us point out to you that any losses you contemplate are minimal compared with what you have already lost in diminished attendances. When disaffected fans realised that they had little or no chance of winning silverware of any kind, they preferred to stay at home. Top league placings, European competition and resultant financial benefits remained, forever, the exclusive, almost right, of the premier two.

We put it to you that a future involving a re-admitted Newco promises to be even more bleak financially. A large number of fans are resolved not to return to Scottish football at all. Those who will return have made it clear that they will attend no games involving Newco Rangers or indeed games involving clubs whose directors have acquiesced in inclusion. This is in no way a threat, rather a warning of the financial and other consequences of what we consider a misguided vote.

A number of us watched football in Scotland when the playing field was much more level, when any one of a number of excellent clubs might gain the laurel wreath. That possibility has been thwarted in recent times by filthy lucre, and recently corruption.

Let us restore pride and probity to our game, both more important and less ephemeral than a handful of silver. We have no doubt that our game will profit more in so many respects if corruption is consigned to where it belongs.

We, the fans of the other Scottish clubs, who are endeavouring to live within our means, would urge you to administer commensurate punishment, no more, and to reject the overtures of a rabid and self-interested Glasgow media. We ask this with the best interests of our game at heart, both local and international. Judas, it must be remembered, gained nothing from his abandonment of integrity.

Yours sincerely

- on behalf of Hibernian Fans"

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An excellent message :top marks

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Originally Posted by Aalborg Hibs

We hated Glasgow Rangers
We will hate Sevco too
And we hate Hearts and Celtic
But the Hibees we love you.
Altogether now...

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Can't have that becase there is no such football club as Glasgow Rangers any more

But we can have

We hate SEVCO 5088
We hate Celtic to
We hate Heart of Midlothian
But the Hibees we love you

All together NOW.........

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Originally Posted by DC_Hibs

Fan Power!!


taken from the bounce:

"The email has been sent to the SPL clubs, SFA, SPL and various scottish media contacts also.
Hopefully other fan groups can do similar as our main collective aim should be to get the message across to the clubs prior to any vote taking place.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

For the attention of the Board of Directors

The following letter represents the views of the majority of users on the two main Hibernian fans forums hibs.net and hibeesbounce.com with 10,298 and 11,575 registered users respectively. The position of these fans is abundantly clear based on two opinion polls carried out within the last week on the aforementioned websites and a multitude of other threads on this subject.

1224 (99.19%) of users polled stated a Rangers Newco should not be allowed into the SPL in 2012/13.
103 (90.35%) stated they would be willing to boycott the stadia of clubs voting yes to a Rangers Newco.



To SPL Clubs:

Sirs

Mindful of the imminent meeting of SPL chairmen to consider the application of Newco Rangers to gain admission to our Premier League, we, the fans of Hibernian F.C., consider it vital that you should be aware of our feelings on the matter so that you are better enabled to come to a decision in the interests of the game of football in Scotland.

Be in no doubt whatsoever that we are fervently opposed to the admission of a club which, though it may have given itself a new name, is of the same spiritual essence, and has been responsible for the greatest fraudulence perpetrated in sport in Scotland, described by an eminent advocate as tantamount to match fixing.

We are aware that some among you are fearful of the financial consequences of a league without Newco Rangers. Let us point out to you that any losses you contemplate are minimal compared with what you have already lost in diminished attendances. When disaffected fans realised that they had little or no chance of winning silverware of any kind, they preferred to stay at home. Top league placings, European competition and resultant financial benefits remained, forever, the exclusive, almost right, of the premier two.

We put it to you that a future involving a re-admitted Newco promises to be even more bleak financially. A large number of fans are resolved not to return to Scottish football at all. Those who will return have made it clear that they will attend no games involving Newco Rangers or indeed games involving clubs whose directors have acquiesced in inclusion. This is in no way a threat, rather a warning of the financial and other consequences of what we consider a misguided vote.

A number of us watched football in Scotland when the playing field was much more level, when any one of a number of excellent clubs might gain the laurel wreath. That possibility has been thwarted in recent times by filthy lucre, and recently corruption.

Let us restore pride and probity to our game, both more important and less ephemeral than a handful of silver. We have no doubt that our game will profit more in so many respects if corruption is consigned to where it belongs.

We, the fans of the other Scottish clubs, who are endeavouring to live within our means, would urge you to administer commensurate punishment, no more, and to reject the overtures of a rabid and self-interested Glasgow media. We ask this with the best interests of our game at heart, both local and international. Judas, it must be remembered, gained nothing from his abandonment of integrity.

Yours sincerely

- on behalf of Hibernian Fans"

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WTF? I don't remember being asked to take part in any referendum.

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Originally Posted by Filled Rolls

WTF? I don't remember being asked to take part in any referendum.

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Haha.....did you no' see the polls that are referred to ya daftie??
Those polls give a clear enough view of the feelings of most Hibs fans.

The above was carefully worded so as not to rile those who will not have anyone speak on their behalf but I supposed there was always a danger that the "on behalf of Hibernian supporters" would enrage a few like yerself Rollsy!

Try not let it spoil your Sunday and chill out a wee bit man.

Mike Riley, I sympathise with you.

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Originally Posted by DC_Hibs

Haha.....did you no' see the polls that are referred to ya daftie??
Those polls give a clear enough view of the feelings of most Hibs fans.

The above was carefully worded so as not to rile those who will not have anyone speak on their behalf but I supposed there was always a danger that the "on behalf of Hibernian supporters" would enrage a few like yerself Rollsy!

Try not let it spoil your Sunday and chill out a wee bit man.

Mike Riley, I sympathise with you.

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:na na:

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Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw

I was shocked when Yorkston said a spl club had only sold a 100 ST's. That's crazy

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I've been a ST holder for 28 years now. This is the first year I haven't renewed - and I'm still holding back until we see the outcome of this shambles.

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Originally Posted by DC_Hibs

Fan Power!!


Be in no doubt whatsoever that we are fervently opposed to the admission of a club which, though it may have given itself a new name, is of the same spiritual essence, and has been responsible for the greatest fraudulence perpetrated in sport in Scotland, described by an eminent advocate as tantamount to match fixing.

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Was this actually said? I know it was said (Carloway?) that the only thing that could have been worse was match fixing but I cant recall anyone saying, other than us :greengrin, that it was the "tantamount to match fixing"

Well,this is what the orcs think....

" It annoys me hugely in particular when I hear our fans saying the club has been or is in liquidation.

We are not, on Thursday we exited administration.

When Leeds performed the exact same thing we did, the press correctly stated the club was saved from liquidation.

When Luton Town NewCo'ed with the OldCo being liquidated, the press correctly stated the club was saved from liquidation.

Same with Darlington and many others.

Rangers FC is now sitting out of administration, with no threat of liquidation.

Only the press in this country are pushing this idea that we are somehow still getting liquidated! A shell of a corporate entity, which no longer contains our football club is getting liquidated.

Why would someone have paid £5.5m for something that is still under threat of liquidation? "


This is the link to the thread...some of the replies to this are hunbelievable. This is why the investigation into dual contracts and the ineligible players etc MUST continue.

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=222962

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Originally Posted by magpie1892

From swallowswallow:

"This is a time when those of a Protestant, Unionist and/or Loyalist persuasion take to the streets to demonstrate their respect for their country and their faith and freedoms. At this time when we are beset on all sides and surrounded by complete hatred, it is time to come together as a people and support those who do so.

Appeasement has not worked. We have rightly stopped certain add-ons and chants. We have given up on classic songs and not been able to find alternatives without risk of punishment. The dark spectre of independence hangs over our country and there is a lack of respect for bothe scotland and the Uk with an Irish-minded mafia ruling the roost in our country for which millions have fought and died over centuries.

We should get back to our roots, and stick with our friends. The Orange Order, the Royal Black Institution, the Apprentice Boys of Derry, the Masonic and even things like the Church and the Boy's Brigade, all have ties to our Football Club, whether we like it or not.

Now I understand why the OO do not like to admit members in June or July, people who might join just to be part of the wonderful celebrations during the summer and then disappear. However, I would open it up to all at this time. Whether people are allowed to march or not, the fraternal organisations are open to members and should be all year.

I think this year in particular we should get right behind the celebrations. If an atheist or anti-religious, it is still perfectly acceptable to show support for an Institution that supports and celebrates freedom of religion. If an RC but Rangers-minded then the same applies. These organisations are not all about Rangers but those who support other teams within them probably don't have the same level of vitriol towards us.

This is possibly the only opportunity we have on an annual basis, in June, July and August, to demonstrate for our traditional beliefs and culture. It is no longer anti-anything, but simply pro-Protestant and the Union, or the right to be British. I hope there is a great turnout this year and it is a family celebration like never before. If we don't support our traditional organisations they too will be forced off the road and we will have no vehicle for demonstration. Rangers fans have shown great decorum so far so the blue bag brigade should become a thing of te past and these things are a time for family celebration, in this year of our Queen's Diamond Jubilee, I wish every Rangers supporter, and sympathetic Scotsman or Briton, would give it their full support and backing."

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Is that Ezekiel 25:17???

The fixture lists for next season come out tomorrow with no Rangers on them instead there will be fixtures against Club 12.

The cheek to go on about respecting a country that the institution they want to be saved defrauded out of £100million.

It shows how mad they are when they describe the Daily ******* Record as a 'Catholic Rag,' that they are convinced the SFA is against them, a body that, a long with the SPL has bent over backwards at every opportunity and ignored their disgusting chants and bigoted hate songs.

No, no, it's all against them, everyone that doesn't wear a Rangers strip on a daily basis is clearly a hated Catholic out to get them...

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Originally Posted by RossHibs

Well,this is what the orcs think....

" It annoys me hugely in particular when I hear our fans saying the club has been or is in liquidation.

We are not, on Thursday we exited administration.

When Leeds performed the exact same thing we did, the press correctly stated the club was saved from liquidation.

When Luton Town NewCo'ed with the OldCo being liquidated, the press correctly stated the club was saved from liquidation.

Same with Darlington and many others.

Rangers FC is now sitting out of administration, with no threat of liquidation.

Only the press in this country are pushing this idea that we are somehow still getting liquidated! A shell of a corporate entity, which no longer contains our football club is getting liquidated.

Why would someone have paid £5.5m for something that is still under threat of liquidation? "


This is the link to the thread...some of the replies to this are hunbelievable. This is why the investigation into dual contracts and the ineligible players etc MUST continue.

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=222962

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They actually make me feel ill. I cannot begin to describe just how much I despise Sevco and their horrible, backward, moronic supporters.

Hopefully Dundee

This only highlights the farce that is Scottish football. Only here could something like this happen. :rolleyes:

Have they changed their name again?

http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/8a...52/compdetails

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Originally Posted by The Falcon

Was this actually said? I know it was said (Carloway?) that the only thing that could have been worse was match fixing but I cant recall anyone saying, other than us :greengrin, that it was the "tantamount to match fixing"

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You are probably right but excusable as it lets the word 'tantamount' be used again and again. Tantamount. One of my favourite words. That and 'lingerie' :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Offside Trap

Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18471197

Looks like Regan is taking charge and is clearly fed up with SPL faffing. :agree:

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Looks to me ......more like Regan read MY POST from last week stating that this is exactly the route they would take as it lets everyone get something out of this pathetic situation.

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Originally Posted by RossHibs

Well,this is what the orcs think....

" It annoys me hugely in particular when I hear our fans saying the club has been or is in liquidation.

We are not, on Thursday we exited administration.

When Leeds performed the exact same thing we did, the press correctly stated the club was saved from liquidation.

When Luton Town NewCo'ed with the OldCo being liquidated, the press correctly stated the club was saved from liquidation.

Same with Darlington and many others.

Rangers FC is now sitting out of administration, with no threat of liquidation.

Only the press in this country are pushing this idea that we are somehow still getting liquidated! A shell of a corporate entity, which no longer contains our football club is getting liquidated.

Why would someone have paid £5.5m for something that is still under threat of liquidation? "


This is the link to the thread...some of the replies to this are hunbelievable. This is why the investigation into dual contracts and the ineligible players etc MUST continue.

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=222962

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They're ****ing eejits. We should round them up a giant wicker man and burn the lot if them....then I'll just change my name from Andy Easton to THE Andy Easton 2012. Good luck tracking down Andy Easton for prosecution, he doesnae exist anymore.

Sounds like a massacre of seals

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Originally Posted by tamig

This only highlights the farce that is Scottish football. Only here could something like this happen. :rolleyes:

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what about match fixing in corrupt countries like Italy? or other shenanigans in the likes of Russia or Turkey?

Decisions should already have been made.

Scottish football = embarrassment

In part he is technically correct that they are not in liquidation, yet. However he is deluded if he thinks they came out of administration.

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Hopefully Dundee

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Will it definitely be Dundee taking the spare spot? What about Dunfermline?

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Originally Posted by Brando7

http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/fra..._company_fraud

I quote

"Although this is perfectly legal, fraud is committed when the directors abuse the phoenix company arrangement and transfer the assets of the failing company below their market value, before insolvency"

Sound Familiar????

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Unfortunately, that's not what happened in RFC's case. They were already insolvent when they transferred (some of :greengrin) the assets.

When Club 12 are noted in the fixtures would someone look out to see if the home fixtures clash with Dundee, as they should, or celtc.

That might give an indication of the SPL thoughts on how the whole thing will pan out.

If they clash with Dundee Utd then the zombiehuns are in.

If they clash with celtc then Dundee are in.

If its neutral then ...

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When Club 12 are noted in the fixtures would someone look out to see if the home fixtures clash with Dundee, as they should, or celtc.

That might give an indication of the SPL thoughts on how the whole thing will pan out.

If they clash with Dundee Utd then the zombiehuns are in.

If they clash with celtc then Dundee are in.

If its neutral then ...

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always the option of moving the clashing game to a Sunday

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In part he is technically correct that they are not in liquidation, yet. However he is deluded if he thinks they came out of administration.

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It was more the general gist of that thread that bothered me. The idea that they had gotten away with it. Their club had escaped their responsibilities relatively intact and debt-free with a clean slate and ready to pay back the SPL and all their enemies for " our hatred and bigotry while kicking them when they were down ".

This is why pressure must be brought upon the SPL and SFA to continue with their investigations into double contracts and ineligible players and if Cheats FC are found to be guilty, then the ZombieHuns must take the punishment. They cannot be allowed to just carry on as Rangers like nothing had happened. We are already seeing the campaign start in the media to just have them relegated to the 1st Division...

Are the SFA using the guise of " re-structuring the league " as a way of avoiding the application of their own rules regarding the criteria for membership. Re-organise the league and we`ll work Rangers in at a higher level while still making it look like they are being punished. :dunno:

Also, a question, why is there even any need for a vote to see if the Zombies play in the SPL? This NewCo, as i understand it, dont even fullfil the SPLs criteria to allow them to play anyway. They should be applying for whatever other league would have them, surely....

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WTF? I don't remember being asked to take part in any referendum.

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Serious question !

Do you mean you are not in agreance with the thrust of the letter and that Rankers should be in SPL 2012/13 ?
:greengrin:wink:

Not seen anyone post this today

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...Longmuir.html#

Well done David Longmuir:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Rangers have finally issued an apology:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSHaCzb3yYk

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Not seen anyone post this today

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...Longmuir.html#

Well done David Longmuir:thumbsup::thumbsup:

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:greengrin Excellent...thats another suggested bit of guff dealt with..SFA won't have time for longer term reorganisation...and SFL are adamant that NewCo's only option is to apply (no cert) to Div3

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Serious question !

Do you mean you are not in agreance with the thrust of the letter and that Rankers should be in SPL 2012/13 ?
:greengrin:wink:

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I think I could be persuaded to have them start off in the juniors, now that a pyramid system has been mooted.

I think that the correct course of action when it comes to Club 12 would be to give it to Dunfermline. After all, they suffered from the cheating last season.

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I think that the correct course of action when it comes to Club 12 would be to give it to Dunfermline. After all, they suffered from the cheating last season.

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Also Dundee might be better than us so yes, Dumfy

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:greengrin Excellent...thats another suggested bit of guff dealt with..SFA won't have time for longer term reorganisation...and SFL are adamant that NewCo's only option is to apply (no cert) to Div3

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But why do they keep referring to SEVCO 5088 as "Rangers"?

Who will it be against?
I'll have a guess at Queens park away.
But i hope it's away to East Stirling.


And they lose

Dont care who their first game is against just as long as it is a 3rd division team.

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Its not 17th Centry...just modern day Armadale

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This is a wee bit unfair.

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This is a wee bit unfair.

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Ok Ok...the 17th Century had some positives....

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Who will it be against?
I'll have a guess at Queens park away.
But i hope it's away to East Stirling.


And they lose

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So they could say there are still a big club...playing at Hampden :tee hee:

Hibs away:devil:

Kenny Shiels -

"Kilmarnock boss Kenny Shiels: SPL chairmen should be allowed secret vote over newco Rangers
Jun 16 2012 By Colin Duncan
KENNY SHIELS has called for a secret ballot to be used in deciding the fate of newco Rangers.
The Kilmarnock boss reckons SPL clubs who vote on whether to admit the fallen Ibrox giants will be damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
An eight-strong majority is required by the newco Ibrox outfit when the top-flight club chiefs convene some time in the next fortnight at Hampden.
Rangers’ demise and their non-participation in the SPL would be hugely detrimental to the game and the 11 chairmen are acutely aware of this – despite the majority of supporters keen to see the back of Ally McCoist’s side.
Killie chairman Michael Johnston faces this very dilemma – and whichever way he casts his vote there will be recriminations.
Shiels believes a private ballot would help protect clubs from any backlash as they contemplate arguably the most important decision in Scottish football history.
He said: “A secret ballot would be the best solution as the clubs would not be put in an awkward position.
“I don’t think a show of hands is the best way to go on this. There will be a fall-out either way so a ballot would benefit the whole of Scottish football.
“The decision to be made is huge and will affect so many people in so many ways.
“I compare it to a decision you would make regarding your family. You have to look after your family and you have to make a decision that is in their best interests.
“Clubs have to do the same when it comes to the vote on a Rangers newco.”
A number of chairmen and chief executives are ready to say “no” to allowing The Rangers FC into the SPL – with Aberdeen yesterday morning insisting sporting integrity must remain central to their decision.
But when push comes to shove will the other clubs stick to their beliefs or perform a U-turn?
Shiels understands both sides of the argument. But he believes the choice to be made by SPL clubs is a simple one.
He said: “We’re in real danger of over-complicating this with too many people trying to take the moral high ground. In my opinion it is quite simple. A lot has been said about Rangers but it all boils down to this – clubs have to make a call that is in their best interests.”
Shiels accepts non- payment of taxes cannot go unpunished but feels the HMRC rejection of Rangers’ CVA sends an ominous warning to the rest of football.
And he added: “All clubs have to very careful in the way they are run as I believe the taxman is out to get football.
“The news of Rangers was like a death in the football family. But we must move on and we have to stand up for our industry.
“It’s time for people and organisations to stick together and start working as one for the good of the game.
“It’s not about hammering people in order to gain some bragging rights.
“We need to reach some kind of agreement suitable to all the parties involved so we can move forward.”


If its a secret vote and Rangers get back in a total boycott is required.

'A death in the football family' - is he having a laugh??

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Kenny Shiels -

"Kilmarnock boss Kenny Shiels: SPL chairmen should be allowed secret vote over newco Rangers
Jun 16 2012 By Colin Duncan
KENNY SHIELS has called for a secret ballot to be used in deciding the fate of newco Rangers.
The Kilmarnock boss reckons SPL clubs who vote on whether to admit the fallen Ibrox giants will be damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
An eight-strong majority is required by the newco Ibrox outfit when the top-flight club chiefs convene some time in the next fortnight at Hampden.
Rangers’ demise and their non-participation in the SPL would be hugely detrimental to the game and the 11 chairmen are acutely aware of this – despite the majority of supporters keen to see the back of Ally McCoist’s side.
Killie chairman Michael Johnston faces this very dilemma – and whichever way he casts his vote there will be recriminations.
Shiels believes a private ballot would help protect clubs from any backlash as they contemplate arguably the most important decision in Scottish football history.
He said: “A secret ballot would be the best solution as the clubs would not be put in an awkward position.
“I don’t think a show of hands is the best way to go on this. There will be a fall-out either way so a ballot would benefit the whole of Scottish football.
“The decision to be made is huge and will affect so many people in so many ways.
“I compare it to a decision you would make regarding your family. You have to look after your family and you have to make a decision that is in their best interests.
“Clubs have to do the same when it comes to the vote on a Rangers newco.”
A number of chairmen and chief executives are ready to say “no” to allowing The Rangers FC into the SPL – with Aberdeen yesterday morning insisting sporting integrity must remain central to their decision.
But when push comes to shove will the other clubs stick to their beliefs or perform a U-turn?
Shiels understands both sides of the argument. But he believes the choice to be made by SPL clubs is a simple one.
He said: “We’re in real danger of over-complicating this with too many people trying to take the moral high ground. In my opinion it is quite simple. A lot has been said about Rangers but it all boils down to this – clubs have to make a call that is in their best interests.”
Shiels accepts non- payment of taxes cannot go unpunished but feels the HMRC rejection of Rangers’ CVA sends an ominous warning to the rest of football.
And he added: “All clubs have to very careful in the way they are run as I believe the taxman is out to get football.
“The news of Rangers was like a death in the football family. But we must move on and we have to stand up for our industry.
“It’s time for people and organisations to stick together and start working as one for the good of the game.
“It’s not about hammering people in order to gain some bragging rights.
“We need to reach some kind of agreement suitable to all the parties involved so we can move forward.”


If its a secret vote and Rangers get back in a total boycott is required.

'A death in the football family' - is he having a laugh??

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The only family I now that acts like Sheils advocates resides in Palermo I believe. Although, it may have adherents in the North of Ireland.

Shiels can GTF. Killie are the biggest cheerleaders for the new Huns so they can face the consequences without hiding behind anonymity.

...and they lose too :D 3-0 to the home side.
The entire match in the pouring rain, and they've got a old second hand bus with no heating for the long drive back to the crumbling pile of red bricks in the Queen's Borough of Govan.

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Dont care who their first game is against just as long as it is a 3rd division team.

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I find Shiels' suggestion incredulous. What does he and his pathetic chairman have to hide? Zilch. We all know who they are voting for and an anonimous vote will do nothing to prevent hopefully every 'no' club supporter in the country boycotting every game at Rugby Park next season. The total loss from that will be far greater than the loss of two home games against the huns. Also, in my opinion, Sky won't renege on their contract with the SPl. So hell mend you, Killie.

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Originally Posted by CentreLine

Can't have that becase there is no such football club as Glasgow Rangers any more

But we can have

We hate SEVCO 5088
We hate Celtic to
We hate Heart of Midlothian
But the Hibees we love you

All together NOW.........

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Your first line doesn't work, but this does

We hate Glasgow Celtic
We hate Sevco too
We hate Heart of Midlothian
But the Hibees we love you

Peterhead away, followed by a midweek Challenge Cup trip to Elgin.

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Graham Spiers ‏@GrahamSpiers
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I assume he would be more in the know than average Joe, so possibly promising vibes if anything.

Queens Park away, got to start them off on their 3rd Division quest with a local derby! :greengrin

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That is embarassing. Is there no end to the SFA/SPL corruption??

If they do this its just for Rangers to come back within a year - bending, completely changing rules for a dead football team

Sickening - every fan in Scotland (Sevco FC apart) need to stick together on this or the Scottish game is finished.

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This is where I'm at now and I'm starting to understand those guys who say they will walk away from Scottish football altogether.

The time for action is now apparently and something has to be done when a big club goes into liquidation. They don't even try and hide the fact they are doing this to try and keep Rangers within striking distance of the top flight. It proves that they are all corrupt, rotten and bias to the core. All of these organisations are not fit for purpose and all this squirming is pathetic...trying to throw us little carrots and hoping we'll ignore the fact the whole structure of football is being changed because of one club.

It's cringeworthy that Rangers have become that bloated in such a small country their very existence seems to be bigger than the league they play in. What's even sadder are the reasons why they are so big.

I'd be happy for us to quit Scotland altogether and apply to join the lowest league in England we can. At least there's a level playing field.

...and maybe Vladimir Romanov isn't so crazy after all.

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I assume he would be more in the know than average Joe, so possibly promising vibes if anything.

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It's quite annoying that everyone is under the impression that this "gang of ten" are somehow voting Rangers "out" of anything. This new company aren't in ANYTHING and we simply wouldn't be letting them in the SPL. Anyway, who are RFC?

Maybe I'm wrong and it is up to the bad clubs like us to decide what league Sevco 90210 play in next year. We should press Rod to vote for the Central taxis five-a-side league at the pitz, sighthill.

Also if the fans old Rangers (died 2012) do stick by the Newco and you have 3000 loyal Huns going to somewhere like Annan or Montrose then surely the grounds can't cope with it. Imagine 3000 fans trying to get into Annan Athletics ground, the policing costs alone would be ridiculous.

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Your first line doesn't work, but this does

We hate Glasgow Celtic
We hate Sevco too
We hate Heart of Midlothian
But the Hibees we love you

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We hate Glasgow Rangers
We hate Sevco too
We hate the *******s from Ibrox
And The Rangers FC, we hate you.

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We hated Glasgow Rangers
We now hate Sevco too
We hate the *******s from Ibrox
And The Rangers FC, we hate you.

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tweeked

St Johnstone away.

Have a feeling (similar to eating a bad egg) that they'll be voted back in.

If that pans out, I couldn't care less about predicting the score.

while there is no great love in shared by the other EssPhell clubs, you have to reason that sellik, hertz for the added revenue , cos every penny counts there way, and the smaller clubs ie. st mirren , st johnstone, ross county,ICT, killie and not forgetting rangers themselves will vote rangers back in to the top tier :rolleyes: short term gain for long term scottish football sh*te, if it goes this way im done with the spl, Hibs will be in my Heart forever but i wont put money into keeping the spl afloat, Hibs done allright with me not even born, my 2 seats wont go missed i reckon, heres hoping im wrong though.

What's the chances of team 12
Being drawn to play Celtic on
Jan 1st 2013?????
Today's fixture list should give
A good indication as to what
Sfa are up to.
Just got this feeling they're
Going to creep back in to
The SPL.:pfgwa

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Your first line doesn't work, but this does

We hate Glasgow Celtic
We hate Sevco too
We hate Heart of Midlothian
But the Hibees we love you

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Think we should just ignore Team 12 from now on and replace them with a "proper" football club like Brechin. The Team 12 fans will hate being ignored :greengrin

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I assume he would be more in the know than average Joe, so possibly promising vibes if anything.

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So where are the Yams in this list ? Their fans certainly calling for Team 12 to start in the 3rd Div. Their owner calls them the Mafia, but now expected to vote them straight in to the SPL ? Makes no sense.

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So where are the Yams in this list ? Their fans certainly calling for Team 12 to start in the 3rd Div. Their owner calls them the Mafia, but now expected to vote them straight in to the SPL ? Makes no sense.

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Considering Hearts used EBTs and if investigated may have more misdemeanours it makes quite a lot of sense...

They're thinking 'we're next'

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Also if the fans old Rangers (died 2012) do stick by the Newco and you have 3000 loyal Huns going to somewhere like Annan or Montrose then surely the grounds can't cope with it. Imagine 3000 fans trying to get into Annan Athletics ground, the policing costs alone would be ridiculous.

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They'll just have to take fewer fans. Make it all ticket and that problem is solved.

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what about match fixing in corrupt countries like Italy? or other shenanigans in the likes of Russia or Turkey?

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This was in reply to the thread about Club 12. It's been merged into the big thread.

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So where are the Yams in this list ? Their fans certainly calling for Team 12 to start in the 3rd Div. Their owner calls them the Mafia, but now expected to vote them straight in to the SPL ? Makes no sense.

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When has the mad one ever made any sense

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Also if the fans old Rangers (died 2012) do stick by the Newco and you have 3000 loyal Huns going to somewhere like Annan or Montrose then surely the grounds can't cope with it. Imagine 3000 fans trying to get into Annan Athletics ground, the policing costs alone would be ridiculous.

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Ah but remember the Hun hordes will be boycotting everything and anything that is seen to be unfairly penalising them for their (only very minor and it wisnae really us) transgressions. See the thinking will work along the lines of:

"Here Billy - tae get tae Annan fae Guvan we huv drive close to Motherwell."
"Cannae dae that then William - they Motherwell taigs voted against us - so we'll huv tae boycott that Annan game by the way".

or

"Hey Hunfredo - see wuv got Montrose in the Challenge Cup on Tuesday night - gonnae go?"
"No can do Hunfried - Montrose is right on the sea and Celtic begins with a C. Clear boycott case."

etc etc....

Former Rangers stars such as Barry Ferguson,Nacho Novo & Graeme Souness have been warned they could be hit with multi-million tax bills.

And ah bet there is a few more worried as well. :greengrin

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They'll just have to take fewer fans. Make it all ticket and that problem is solved.

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Aren't they just going to boycott everyone? I'm sure Annan haven't made any comment about a lack of Sevco 90210 in Scottish football heralding the death of Scottish football and/or the harbinger of the apocalypse/raining frogs/the sun turning the colour of blood so, on that basis, they must be bead-rattling Fenian ****.

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Former Rangers stars such as Barry Ferguson,Nacho Novo & Graeme Souness have been warned they could be hit with multi-million tax bills.

And ah bet there is a few more worried as well. :greengrin

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Daniel Cousin will be alright though. He'll be able to afford to pay something back based on the £20,000/week he's earning at Cov. City.

I understand perfectly how RFC are permitted a vote under the SPL membership rules on any proposed transfer of such membership 'share'

However we keep hearing how Chuck Green has a vote...that will be the CEO of SEVCO 5088 (trading as The Rangers FC) who has no part / shares / role in the shell that is the indebted property less RFC.

Surely those arranging he funeral of RFC (Currently D&P) are the voters - another area where out insightful press have a blind spot.

You might ask would it make a difference... have no Idea...but things ...as Neil Doncaster has often said :rolleyes: ... should be by the rule book and nothing else..

Again to repeat myself and others...no one is / will be voting to kick anyone out of any where...the current owner of share is in administration and has no ground or training facility so is now non compliant with SPL rules....their share needs transferred elsewhere

We have a new football club - which as yet may have no players / has no trading history (in fact any history) / and its unclear whether they are run by 'fit and proper persons......and they may be about to try it on and apply to the top league when new clubs have by precident always had to apply to lowest league and work up...

Should Using precident share whould be voted to be transferred to Dundee and all other clubs below 'shuffle up a place'....SFL would have a vacancy for others to apply to / show they meet minimum league critera...Maybe Spartans / Brora Rangers :tee hee: might fancy applying...also so might SEVCO 5088

From BBC gossip..

Jean-Alain Boumsong reveals he almost quit Rangers when he discovered that he would be paid in part through an employee benefit trust, but he says he would be happy to come back to the club on a cut-price deal. (Various)

Kenny Shiels should be embarrassed with his comments about the Rangers situation being like a death in the family. I am sure plenty reading that who may have lost a loved one recently would wholeheartedly disagree that the situation and feelings you have will be the same. He should apologise for his insensitive remarks.

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From BBC gossip..

Jean-Alain Boumsong reveals he almost quit Rangers when he discovered that he would be paid in part through an employee benefit trust, but he says he would be happy to come back to the club on a cut-price deal. (Various)

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Whooops...:greengrin

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Originally Posted by johnbc70

Kenny Shiels should be embarrassed with his comments about the Rangers situation being like a death in the family. I am sure plenty reading that who may have lost a loved one recently would wholeheartedly disagree that the situation and feelings you have will be the same. He should apologise for his insensitive remarks.

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Absolutely disgusting considering one of his players lost his dad just a few months ago

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...-new-deal.html

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A Sky Sports spokesman said: “We believe football should be run by the football authorities.”

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Originally Posted by stokesmessiah

From BBC gossip..

Jean-Alain Boumsong reveals he almost quit Rangers when he discovered that he would be paid in part through an employee benefit trust, but he says he would be happy to come back to the club on a cut-price deal. (Various)

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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...6908-23897491/

Pretty much wraps up the SPL's investigation for them.

Looks like Monday 2 July will be SPL d-day...

d-day looms

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Considering Hearts used EBTs and if investigated may have more misdemeanours it makes quite a lot of sense...

They're thinking 'we're next'

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Did they?

Hearts are indeed under HMRC investigation, but there is no confirmation that it's about EBTs.

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...6908-23897491/

Pretty much wraps up the SPL's investigation for them.

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"HE had never heard of an EBT until the day he signed for RFC. But now those six little letters will live with Jean-Alain Boumsong for the rest of his days.

The Frenchman has watched on from afar with utter astonishment as Rangers have unravelled over the past six months and last week’s liquidation of the old company has hit him so hard he feels somehow compelled to return to Scotland to do what he can to assist in efforts to save Ibrox from oblivion.

He may have only spent six months in Glasgow – and that was some eight years ago now.

But even so he insists in that short time he felt a bond with the club the likes of which he has never experienced before or after.

Which is perhaps why, even now, he still feels uncomfortable at the very mention of the tax avoidance scheme from which it is claimed he benefited to the tune of around £630,000.

Something about that offshore payment plan just never sat easily with Boumsong. So much so, in fact, that for the first time he has revealed he gave serious thought to pulling the plug on his free transfer to the club on the day he arrived in Glasgow to sign his name on the dotted line.

Eventually he was persuaded by accountants there was nothing illegal about the structure of the contract which would make him a wealthy man and a Rangers player.

But Boumsong smelled a rat back then. And it’s rankled with him ever since.

In an interview with Record Sport here at Euro 2012 he said: “My salary was normally paid but there was a trust. I was not comfortable with that to be honest. I didn’t know anything about it until the day I was going to sign.



“When I discovered it I first refused to sign the contract and said, ‘What is this?’

“I didn’t want to sign because it seemed strange, we don’t have that kind of payment in France and I didn’t know anything about it. When I left Rangers, for example, to sign for Newcastle, it was for a normal contract with normal payment.

“But the day I was signing for Rangers I was told it was legal.

“As players we don’t know the law but my advisers said, ‘It’s okay, you can sign it. It’s legal’.

“I wouldn’t have signed otherwise, no way. If I thought it was wrong legally I wouldn’t have gone. It’s important to be able to sleep at night without any fear of being chased by the tax office.”

If only those running Rangers had been just as scrupulous or even shared some of Boumsong’s reservations, then the club may have been spared from at least a proportion of its ongoing crisis.

EBTs may not have been the cause of their undoing – that one rests with Sir David Murray’s decision to hand the keys to Craig Whyte – but they did leave a huge tax liability hanging over Ibrox and those potential losses led to Lloyds Bank leaning heavily on Murray to sell up in the first place.

The finer details of how Rangers got into such a mess are all a little lost on Boumsong who was off to Newcastle in an £8m move after only six months into that lucrative five-year deal.

He has since spent time at Juventus and Lyon and is currently looking for an escape from stricken Greek outfit Panathinaikos who are experiencing a financial meltdown of their own.

There is for him though a very bitter sense of irony in all of this. He says he would gladly return to Rangers tomorrow, especially if he can help in Walter Smith’s attempts to stabilise the club.

He would be willing to do so for around half of the wages he might earn himself elsewhere. All he would ask for in return is a stake in the future of the new Rangers company.

He insists such a deal would not be about money. And there’s the irony right there. Because Boumsong insists the chance to make a quick buck was not the reason he chose Rangers in the first place.

Which is why he still can’t get his head around why the club was willing to take any kind of risks over his contract.

He said: “Believe me, I could have gone to other clubs for more money. I was a free agent at the time and sometimes it is not about money. I wanted to go there because they believed in me and they wanted me.

“They wanted to build a team with me a big part of it so I decided to go. They trusted me and I trusted them so I signed.”

Now, eight years on, Boumsong would relish the opportunity to do it all over again.

He’s been stuck in Athens without any wages at all for most of last season, just one of the millions of victims of the economic disaster which threatens to bring all of Greece down. And now he would choose to return to Ibrox?

The words “frying pan” and “fire” spring instantly to mind.

But if the club can successfully overturn the disputed transfer embargo which was imposed as a punishment for Whyte’s shamed regime then Boumsong will be there, standing at the front of the queue, ready and willing to help.

He insists it’s all down to a sense of duty or an inner calling.

But most of all though he says he just wants to help clean up a mess that was made by others

He said: “I don’t know too much about what’s happened. Of course, I watch it on TV but I don’t know exactly what’s going on there.

“I hear there is a chance they could be forced to play in the Third Division and that would be a disaster. What would happen to the Scottish League without Rangers? That would be a real shame and to be honest I can’t believe it. It’s incredible.

“I know the other clubs need to complain because they don’t think what’s happened is fair but maybe they will find an agreement because they know how important Rangers are.

“The lesson we have to take from this is that financial fair play must happen. Every single club must now control their finances. But I am quite surprised Rangers didn’t use the money they had better than they did. I mean, they paid big wages, but I’m surprised they weren’t better at business.

“They sold the right-back, Alan Hutton, for £9m. When I left it was for a big transfer worth £8m and I cost the club nothing.

“Sure, they’ve had to pay out wages so it’s not as though you can add £8m and £9m together and ask where the money is now. But you still ask yourself how can this happen to a club like Rangers?

“I still have strong feelings for the club. It doesn’t depend on how long you spend at a club to feel part of it. I had some of my best moments in football at Rangers really.

“I was happy there, my family was happy, and if I had the opportunity to go back I’d go, even now.”

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Looks like Monday 2 July will be SPL d-day...

d-day looms

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Absolutely ridiculous. the rules are already in place, we know exactly what should happen but we have to wait even longer? Do these clowns not know their own rules?

Also Dundee should now be preparing for next season in the SPL, but the SPL big wigs are hindering their preparation for the coming season, without giving a toss about them.

The rules are already written, all you clowns have to do is apply them.

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Whooops...:greengrin

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...6908-23897491/

Pretty much wraps up the SPL's investigation for them.

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Maybe if they had realised how thick the average footballer is they could have just asked a few former player at the begining and saved a lot of time....

Unless we are giving too little credit to players and they think that Sevco 5088 will avoid the sins of its previous incarnations...so they can now talk about it..

I'm sure Hector is noting with interest however

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Absolutely ridiculous. the rules are already in place, we know exactly what should happen but we have to wait even longer? Do these clowns not know their own rules?

Also Dundee should now be preparing for next season in the SPL, but the SPL big wigs are hindering their preparation for the coming season, without giving a toss about them.

The rules are already written, all you clowns have to do is apply them.

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The rules say that there's a 14-day notice period, so that rule is being applied.

As for the application itself, it will be considered on its merits, which is also in the rules.

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:coffee:

Maybe if they had realised how thick the average footballer is they could have just asked a few former player at the begining and saved a lot of time....

Unless we are giving too little credit to players and they think that Sevco 5088 will avoid the sins of its previous incarnations...so they can now talk about it..

I'm sure Hector is noting with interest however

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It crossed my mind that one way Hector could go after the employees is if he could show that the EBT arrangement was contrived with the employees' full knowledge - i.e. they knew it was illegal but went ahead with it anyway. Maybe Dodds, Ogilvie and Boumsong have been advised to go public with an 'I was duped' stance.