Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[stokesmessiah]

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I really don't understand why sevco should think them supporting a change to the 11:1 voting structure is a card they have to play. Given that it is only the OF who now support 11:1, any decision which sees sevco not allowed into the SPL can quickly be followed by another vote of SPL members in which celtc can vote to retain it and the rest of the clubs can support the change to e.g. 8:4

Correct. It might of been a carrot on a stick prior to the CVA being chucked out but it is now a totally and utterly defunct point. See you later Rangers we reject you your access to the SPL, oh hello Dundee listen do you fancy getting a bigger share of the readies in the SPL??? Good then join us in voting through this rule change and we will have the power.

I hope to god that lot end out on their ear i really do. More than anything now i wish someone would just end it, its getting ridiculous and ppl have the brass neck to saying not having them in the league would affect other clubs ability to attract sponsors. Because they are just queing up to sponsor a rigged league that is being dragged through the mire oh and to top it all off the club that done it has also stiffed the ordinary tax payer for near on £100m.

Disgusting situation and more importantly is the disgusting way it is now being handled by the people reportedly in charge of the game in this country and the media.

Sorry. Rant done.

[jamesjamieson]

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That is embarassing. Is there no end to the SFA/SPL corruption??

If they do this its just for Rangers to come back within a year - bending, completely changing rules for a dead football team

Sickening - every fan in Scotland (Sevco FC apart) need to stick together on this or the Scottish game is finished.

[Littlest Hobo]

I've got two neebors in my street who are Rangers daft, I think I'll try and use my powers of persuasion toget them to change their allegiance to a local team like Hibs.

[calmac12000]

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I think thats a pretty fair assessment to be honest. The outcomes of the various investigations are where things get slightly muddy for me. I am not sure I trust the SFA/SPL to dish out the appropriate punishment. Hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised.

Couldn't agree more, it seems the closer we get to some sort of resolution of this saga more effort is expended by the dark forces surrounding Castle Greyskull to create obfuscations heavily laced with logical inconsistencies ans downright untruths. The bottom line remains that what was the Huns have been cheating on an almost industrial scale for years, not satisfied with the advantage emanating fron the deep cleavages in Scottish society. Quite frankly, I an sick to fed up with the continual rewriting of reality and blatant partiality shown on behalf of this "institution" and that if they are saved from the consequences of their own actions it will be nothing more or less than corruption on a grand scale. A corruption that I for one do not wish to partake in.

[Brando7]

http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/fra..._company_fraud

I quote

"Although this is perfectly legal, fraud is committed when the directors abuse the phoenix company arrangement and transfer the assets of the failing company below their market value, before insolvency"

Sound Familiar????

[Dashing Bob S]

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Basically, they are proposing to change the name of Division One to SPL 2, and have Rangers start there. So transparently corrupt it's laughable.

[magpie1892]

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What does it say?

From swallowswallow:

"This is a time when those of a Protestant, Unionist and/or Loyalist persuasion take to the streets to demonstrate their respect for their country and their faith and freedoms. At this time when we are beset on all sides and surrounded by complete hatred, it is time to come together as a people and support those who do so.

Appeasement has not worked. We have rightly stopped certain add-ons and chants. We have given up on classic songs and not been able to find alternatives without risk of punishment. The dark spectre of independence hangs over our country and there is a lack of respect for bothe scotland and the Uk with an Irish-minded mafia ruling the roost in our country for which millions have fought and died over centuries.

We should get back to our roots, and stick with our friends. The Orange Order, the Royal Black Institution, the Apprentice Boys of Derry, the Masonic and even things like the Church and the Boy's Brigade, all have ties to our Football Club, whether we like it or not.

Now I understand why the OO do not like to admit members in June or July, people who might join just to be part of the wonderful celebrations during the summer and then disappear. However, I would open it up to all at this time. Whether people are allowed to march or not, the fraternal organisations are open to members and should be all year.

I think this year in particular we should get right behind the celebrations. If an atheist or anti-religious, it is still perfectly acceptable to show support for an Institution that supports and celebrates freedom of religion. If an RC but Rangers-minded then the same applies. These organisations are not all about Rangers but those who support other teams within them probably don't have the same level of vitriol towards us.

This is possibly the only opportunity we have on an annual basis, in June, July and August, to demonstrate for our traditional beliefs and culture. It is no longer anti-anything, but simply pro-Protestant and the Union, or the right to be British. I hope there is a great turnout this year and it is a family celebration like never before. If we don't support our traditional organisations they too will be forced off the road and we will have no vehicle for demonstration. Rangers fans have shown great decorum so far so the blue bag brigade should become a thing of te past and these things are a time for family celebration, in this year of our Queen's Diamond Jubilee, I wish every Rangers supporter, and sympathetic Scotsman or Briton, would give it their full support and backing."

[joe breezy]

How backward are these people and what century are they living in

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From swallowswallow:

"This is a time when those of a Protestant, Unionist and/or Loyalist persuasion take to the streets to demonstrate their respect for their country and their faith and freedoms. At this time when we are beset on all sides and surrounded by complete hatred, it is time to come together as a people and support those who do so.

Appeasement has not worked. We have rightly stopped certain add-ons and chants. We have given up on classic songs and not been able to find alternatives without risk of punishment. The dark spectre of independence hangs over our country and there is a lack of respect for bothe scotland and the Uk with an Irish-minded mafia ruling the roost in our country for which millions have fought and died over centuries.

We should get back to our roots, and stick with our friends. The Orange Order, the Royal Black Institution, the Apprentice Boys of Derry, the Masonic and even things like the Church and the Boy's Brigade, all have ties to our Football Club, whether we like it or not.

Now I understand why the OO do not like to admit members in June or July, people who might join just to be part of the wonderful celebrations during the summer and then disappear. However, I would open it up to all at this time. Whether people are allowed to march or not, the fraternal organisations are open to members and should be all year.

I think this year in particular we should get right behind the celebrations. If an atheist or anti-religious, it is still perfectly acceptable to show support for an Institution that supports and celebrates freedom of religion. If an RC but Rangers-minded then the same applies. These organisations are not all about Rangers but those who support other teams within them probably don't have the same level of vitriol towards us.

This is possibly the only opportunity we have on an annual basis, in June, July and August, to demonstrate for our traditional beliefs and culture. It is no longer anti-anything, but simply pro-Protestant and the Union, or the right to be British. I hope there is a great turnout this year and it is a family celebration like never before. If we don't support our traditional organisations they too will be forced off the road and we will have no vehicle for demonstration. Rangers fans have shown great decorum so far so the blue bag brigade should become a thing of te past and these things are a time for family celebration, in this year of our Queen's Diamond Jubilee, I wish every Rangers supporter, and sympathetic Scotsman or Briton, would give it their full support and backing."

[magpie1892]

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How backward are these people and what century are they living in

17th century, at a guess.

[down-the-slope]

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17th century, at a guess.

Its not 17th Centry...just modern day Armadale

[magpie1892]

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Its not 17th Centry...just modern day Armadale

There's a difference?

[seanshow]

Taking into account what has been said by Jim Spence and leaked out by Yorkston.
The fans of the 10 clubs are now making the decisions for this league and not the chairmen, By holding onto their cash and not buying season tickets and quote "putting clubs into meltdown".
By holding their position for another month or so the fans of the 10 clubs can guarantee a No vote regarding the newco in the SPL.
Simple math of even a 1000 people at £400 and there is your huge hole in a clubs balance, that rivals any loss by Tv revenue.

This has to be the reason for a sudden rush for League reconstruction imo. Time for the fans to hold strong

...........(also power from the other remaining Glasgow 'giant' has been greatly reduced since their rivals were liquidated, so their ass will be flapping)

[CallumLaidlaw]

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Taking into account what has been said by Jim Spence and leaked out by Yorkston.
The fans of the 10 clubs are now making the decisions for this league and not the chairmen, By holding onto their cash and not buying season tickets and quote "putting clubs into meltdown".
By holding their position for another month or so the fans of the 10 clubs can guarantee a No vote regarding the newco in the SPL.
Simple math of even a 1000 people at £400 and there is your huge hole in a clubs balance, that rivals any loss by Tv revenue.

This has to be the reason for a sudden rush for League reconstruction imo. Time for the fans to hold strong

...........(also power from the other remaining Glasgow 'giant' has been greatly reduced since their rivals were liquidated, so their ass will be flapping)

I was shocked when Yorkston said a spl club had only sold a 100 ST's. That's crazy

[DC_Hibs]

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I was shocked when Yorkston said a spl club had only sold a 100 ST's. That's crazy

Fan Power!!


taken from the bounce:

"The email has been sent to the SPL clubs, SFA, SPL and various scottish media contacts also.
Hopefully other fan groups can do similar as our main collective aim should be to get the message across to the clubs prior to any vote taking place.


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For the attention of the Board of Directors

The following letter represents the views of the majority of users on the two main Hibernian fans forums hibs.net and hibeesbounce.com with 10,298 and 11,575 registered users respectively. The position of these fans is abundantly clear based on two opinion polls carried out within the last week on the aforementioned websites and a multitude of other threads on this subject.

1224 (99.19%) of users polled stated a Rangers Newco should not be allowed into the SPL in 2012/13.
103 (90.35%) stated they would be willing to boycott the stadia of clubs voting yes to a Rangers Newco.



To SPL Clubs:

Sirs

Mindful of the imminent meeting of SPL chairmen to consider the application of Newco Rangers to gain admission to our Premier League, we, the fans of Hibernian F.C., consider it vital that you should be aware of our feelings on the matter so that you are better enabled to come to a decision in the interests of the game of football in Scotland.

Be in no doubt whatsoever that we are fervently opposed to the admission of a club which, though it may have given itself a new name, is of the same spiritual essence, and has been responsible for the greatest fraudulence perpetrated in sport in Scotland, described by an eminent advocate as tantamount to match fixing.

We are aware that some among you are fearful of the financial consequences of a league without Newco Rangers. Let us point out to you that any losses you contemplate are minimal compared with what you have already lost in diminished attendances. When disaffected fans realised that they had little or no chance of winning silverware of any kind, they preferred to stay at home. Top league placings, European competition and resultant financial benefits remained, forever, the exclusive, almost right, of the premier two.

We put it to you that a future involving a re-admitted Newco promises to be even more bleak financially. A large number of fans are resolved not to return to Scottish football at all. Those who will return have made it clear that they will attend no games involving Newco Rangers or indeed games involving clubs whose directors have acquiesced in inclusion. This is in no way a threat, rather a warning of the financial and other consequences of what we consider a misguided vote.

A number of us watched football in Scotland when the playing field was much more level, when any one of a number of excellent clubs might gain the laurel wreath. That possibility has been thwarted in recent times by filthy lucre, and recently corruption.

Let us restore pride and probity to our game, both more important and less ephemeral than a handful of silver. We have no doubt that our game will profit more in so many respects if corruption is consigned to where it belongs.

We, the fans of the other Scottish clubs, who are endeavouring to live within our means, would urge you to administer commensurate punishment, no more, and to reject the overtures of a rabid and self-interested Glasgow media. We ask this with the best interests of our game at heart, both local and international. Judas, it must be remembered, gained nothing from his abandonment of integrity.

Yours sincerely

- on behalf of Hibernian Fans"

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Was it Cheshire/Warrington Hibs that did the SPL survey?
If they can tie in to email addresses perhaps they can follow up to see how attitudes have changed/hardened over time and to ask about this potential fudge?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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I've got two neebors in my street who are Rangers daft, I think I'll try and use my powers of persuasion toget them to change their allegiance to a local team like Hibs.

I know we're inclusive but ...

[mrdependable]

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Fan Power!!


taken from the bounce:

"The email has been sent to the SPL clubs, SFA, SPL and various scottish media contacts also.
Hopefully other fan groups can do similar as our main collective aim should be to get the message across to the clubs prior to any vote taking place.


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For the attention of the Board of Directors

The following letter represents the views of the majority of users on the two main Hibernian fans forums hibs.net and hibeesbounce.com with 10,298 and 11,575 registered users respectively. The position of these fans is abundantly clear based on two opinion polls carried out within the last week on the aforementioned websites and a multitude of other threads on this subject.

1224 (99.19%) of users polled stated a Rangers Newco should not be allowed into the SPL in 2012/13.
103 (90.35%) stated they would be willing to boycott the stadia of clubs voting yes to a Rangers Newco.



To SPL Clubs:

Sirs

Mindful of the imminent meeting of SPL chairmen to consider the application of Newco Rangers to gain admission to our Premier League, we, the fans of Hibernian F.C., consider it vital that you should be aware of our feelings on the matter so that you are better enabled to come to a decision in the interests of the game of football in Scotland.

Be in no doubt whatsoever that we are fervently opposed to the admission of a club which, though it may have given itself a new name, is of the same spiritual essence, and has been responsible for the greatest fraudulence perpetrated in sport in Scotland, described by an eminent advocate as tantamount to match fixing.

We are aware that some among you are fearful of the financial consequences of a league without Newco Rangers. Let us point out to you that any losses you contemplate are minimal compared with what you have already lost in diminished attendances. When disaffected fans realised that they had little or no chance of winning silverware of any kind, they preferred to stay at home. Top league placings, European competition and resultant financial benefits remained, forever, the exclusive, almost right, of the premier two.

We put it to you that a future involving a re-admitted Newco promises to be even more bleak financially. A large number of fans are resolved not to return to Scottish football at all. Those who will return have made it clear that they will attend no games involving Newco Rangers or indeed games involving clubs whose directors have acquiesced in inclusion. This is in no way a threat, rather a warning of the financial and other consequences of what we consider a misguided vote.

A number of us watched football in Scotland when the playing field was much more level, when any one of a number of excellent clubs might gain the laurel wreath. That possibility has been thwarted in recent times by filthy lucre, and recently corruption.

Let us restore pride and probity to our game, both more important and less ephemeral than a handful of silver. We have no doubt that our game will profit more in so many respects if corruption is consigned to where it belongs.

We, the fans of the other Scottish clubs, who are endeavouring to live within our means, would urge you to administer commensurate punishment, no more, and to reject the overtures of a rabid and self-interested Glasgow media. We ask this with the best interests of our game at heart, both local and international. Judas, it must be remembered, gained nothing from his abandonment of integrity.

Yours sincerely

- on behalf of Hibernian Fans"

An excellent message

[CentreLine]

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We hated Glasgow Rangers
We will hate Sevco too
And we hate Hearts and Celtic
But the Hibees we love you.
Altogether now...

Can't have that becase there is no such football club as Glasgow Rangers any more

But we can have

We hate SEVCO 5088
We hate Celtic to
We hate Heart of Midlothian
But the Hibees we love you

All together NOW.........

[Phil D. Rolls]

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Fan Power!!


taken from the bounce:

"The email has been sent to the SPL clubs, SFA, SPL and various scottish media contacts also.
Hopefully other fan groups can do similar as our main collective aim should be to get the message across to the clubs prior to any vote taking place.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

For the attention of the Board of Directors

The following letter represents the views of the majority of users on the two main Hibernian fans forums hibs.net and hibeesbounce.com with 10,298 and 11,575 registered users respectively. The position of these fans is abundantly clear based on two opinion polls carried out within the last week on the aforementioned websites and a multitude of other threads on this subject.

1224 (99.19%) of users polled stated a Rangers Newco should not be allowed into the SPL in 2012/13.
103 (90.35%) stated they would be willing to boycott the stadia of clubs voting yes to a Rangers Newco.



To SPL Clubs:

Sirs

Mindful of the imminent meeting of SPL chairmen to consider the application of Newco Rangers to gain admission to our Premier League, we, the fans of Hibernian F.C., consider it vital that you should be aware of our feelings on the matter so that you are better enabled to come to a decision in the interests of the game of football in Scotland.

Be in no doubt whatsoever that we are fervently opposed to the admission of a club which, though it may have given itself a new name, is of the same spiritual essence, and has been responsible for the greatest fraudulence perpetrated in sport in Scotland, described by an eminent advocate as tantamount to match fixing.

We are aware that some among you are fearful of the financial consequences of a league without Newco Rangers. Let us point out to you that any losses you contemplate are minimal compared with what you have already lost in diminished attendances. When disaffected fans realised that they had little or no chance of winning silverware of any kind, they preferred to stay at home. Top league placings, European competition and resultant financial benefits remained, forever, the exclusive, almost right, of the premier two.

We put it to you that a future involving a re-admitted Newco promises to be even more bleak financially. A large number of fans are resolved not to return to Scottish football at all. Those who will return have made it clear that they will attend no games involving Newco Rangers or indeed games involving clubs whose directors have acquiesced in inclusion. This is in no way a threat, rather a warning of the financial and other consequences of what we consider a misguided vote.

A number of us watched football in Scotland when the playing field was much more level, when any one of a number of excellent clubs might gain the laurel wreath. That possibility has been thwarted in recent times by filthy lucre, and recently corruption.

Let us restore pride and probity to our game, both more important and less ephemeral than a handful of silver. We have no doubt that our game will profit more in so many respects if corruption is consigned to where it belongs.

We, the fans of the other Scottish clubs, who are endeavouring to live within our means, would urge you to administer commensurate punishment, no more, and to reject the overtures of a rabid and self-interested Glasgow media. We ask this with the best interests of our game at heart, both local and international. Judas, it must be remembered, gained nothing from his abandonment of integrity.

Yours sincerely

- on behalf of Hibernian Fans"

WTF? I don't remember being asked to take part in any referendum.

[DC_Hibs]

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WTF? I don't remember being asked to take part in any referendum.

Haha.....did you no' see the polls that are referred to ya daftie??
Those polls give a clear enough view of the feelings of most Hibs fans.

The above was carefully worded so as not to rile those who will not have anyone speak on their behalf but I supposed there was always a danger that the "on behalf of Hibernian supporters" would enrage a few like yerself Rollsy!

Try not let it spoil your Sunday and chill out a wee bit man.

Mike Riley, I sympathise with you.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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Haha.....did you no' see the polls that are referred to ya daftie??
Those polls give a clear enough view of the feelings of most Hibs fans.

The above was carefully worded so as not to rile those who will not have anyone speak on their behalf but I supposed there was always a danger that the "on behalf of Hibernian supporters" would enrage a few like yerself Rollsy!

Try not let it spoil your Sunday and chill out a wee bit man.

Mike Riley, I sympathise with you.

[tamig]

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I was shocked when Yorkston said a spl club had only sold a 100 ST's. That's crazy

I've been a ST holder for 28 years now. This is the first year I haven't renewed - and I'm still holding back until we see the outcome of this shambles.

[The Falcon]

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Fan Power!!


Be in no doubt whatsoever that we are fervently opposed to the admission of a club which, though it may have given itself a new name, is of the same spiritual essence, and has been responsible for the greatest fraudulence perpetrated in sport in Scotland, described by an eminent advocate as tantamount to match fixing.

Was this actually said? I know it was said (Carloway?) that the only thing that could have been worse was match fixing but I cant recall anyone saying, other than us , that it was the "tantamount to match fixing"

[SurferRosa]

Well,this is what the orcs think....

" It annoys me hugely in particular when I hear our fans saying the club has been or is in liquidation.

We are not, on Thursday we exited administration.

When Leeds performed the exact same thing we did, the press correctly stated the club was saved from liquidation.

When Luton Town NewCo'ed with the OldCo being liquidated, the press correctly stated the club was saved from liquidation.

Same with Darlington and many others.

Rangers FC is now sitting out of administration, with no threat of liquidation.

Only the press in this country are pushing this idea that we are somehow still getting liquidated! A shell of a corporate entity, which no longer contains our football club is getting liquidated.

Why would someone have paid £5.5m for something that is still under threat of liquidation? "


This is the link to the thread...some of the replies to this are hunbelievable. This is why the investigation into dual contracts and the ineligible players etc MUST continue.

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=222962

[stokesmessiah]

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From swallowswallow:

"This is a time when those of a Protestant, Unionist and/or Loyalist persuasion take to the streets to demonstrate their respect for their country and their faith and freedoms. At this time when we are beset on all sides and surrounded by complete hatred, it is time to come together as a people and support those who do so.

Appeasement has not worked. We have rightly stopped certain add-ons and chants. We have given up on classic songs and not been able to find alternatives without risk of punishment. The dark spectre of independence hangs over our country and there is a lack of respect for bothe scotland and the Uk with an Irish-minded mafia ruling the roost in our country for which millions have fought and died over centuries.

We should get back to our roots, and stick with our friends. The Orange Order, the Royal Black Institution, the Apprentice Boys of Derry, the Masonic and even things like the Church and the Boy's Brigade, all have ties to our Football Club, whether we like it or not.

Now I understand why the OO do not like to admit members in June or July, people who might join just to be part of the wonderful celebrations during the summer and then disappear. However, I would open it up to all at this time. Whether people are allowed to march or not, the fraternal organisations are open to members and should be all year.

I think this year in particular we should get right behind the celebrations. If an atheist or anti-religious, it is still perfectly acceptable to show support for an Institution that supports and celebrates freedom of religion. If an RC but Rangers-minded then the same applies. These organisations are not all about Rangers but those who support other teams within them probably don't have the same level of vitriol towards us.

This is possibly the only opportunity we have on an annual basis, in June, July and August, to demonstrate for our traditional beliefs and culture. It is no longer anti-anything, but simply pro-Protestant and the Union, or the right to be British. I hope there is a great turnout this year and it is a family celebration like never before. If we don't support our traditional organisations they too will be forced off the road and we will have no vehicle for demonstration. Rangers fans have shown great decorum so far so the blue bag brigade should become a thing of te past and these things are a time for family celebration, in this year of our Queen's Diamond Jubilee, I wish every Rangers supporter, and sympathetic Scotsman or Briton, would give it their full support and backing."

Is that Ezekiel 25:17???

[thebakerboy]

The fixture lists for next season come out tomorrow with no Rangers on them instead there will be fixtures against Club 12.

[ScottB]

The cheek to go on about respecting a country that the institution they want to be saved defrauded out of £100million.

It shows how mad they are when they describe the Daily ******* Record as a 'Catholic Rag,' that they are convinced the SFA is against them, a body that, a long with the SPL has bent over backwards at every opportunity and ignored their disgusting chants and bigoted hate songs.

No, no, it's all against them, everyone that doesn't wear a Rangers strip on a daily basis is clearly a hated Catholic out to get them...

[Hank Schrader]

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Well,this is what the orcs think....

" It annoys me hugely in particular when I hear our fans saying the club has been or is in liquidation.

We are not, on Thursday we exited administration.

When Leeds performed the exact same thing we did, the press correctly stated the club was saved from liquidation.

When Luton Town NewCo'ed with the OldCo being liquidated, the press correctly stated the club was saved from liquidation.

Same with Darlington and many others.

Rangers FC is now sitting out of administration, with no threat of liquidation.

Only the press in this country are pushing this idea that we are somehow still getting liquidated! A shell of a corporate entity, which no longer contains our football club is getting liquidated.

Why would someone have paid £5.5m for something that is still under threat of liquidation? "


This is the link to the thread...some of the replies to this are hunbelievable. This is why the investigation into dual contracts and the ineligible players etc MUST continue.

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=222962

They actually make me feel ill. I cannot begin to describe just how much I despise Sevco and their horrible, backward, moronic supporters.

[Billychaotic182]

Hopefully Dundee

[tamig]

This only highlights the farce that is Scottish football. Only here could something like this happen.