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kila kila
Posted 9 minutes ago
How much was the plane hire again?
Imagine if we hired one every away game... let's not let them forget all season.
The Neilson Out plane was noisy and couldn't be missed. The noise would disappear and we'd think it was gone at last. Then it'd reappear and fly over again.
I wouldn’t give them the steam off ma pish!Quote:
Originally Posted by Potty78
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Is it loud enough to drown out squealing pigs? 🐷🐷Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
A Levein out plane might well be required next season. They'll never shift him.Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
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Oh that HAS to be a hibee on the Mick takeQuote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
I dont think in this climate any player will be jumping ship. Especially hearts players who got long top dollar contracts. Some players might have a relegation get out clause but where are they going to goQuote:
Originally Posted by nonshinyfinish
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I think they all think Budge can article 12 then given the current climate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
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We should offer Hearts a money spinning pre season friendly. Lets call it the COVID Cup.
The summer transfer window opens in 30 days. That should focus Doctor Missus Queen over Budge(t)'s mind.
1. Embark on costly legal action with hee haw chance of success if any this side of 2022
or
2. Recruit replacement squad suited to Championship.
She has one tiny quickly diminishing pot of pennies from the cash cow to play with. How she spends it will determine their future. Football or oblivion
They should sell the rights to the court case so the documentary makers can include it as a bonus on the DVD.
Roll on the docusoap!
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OJ simpleton against the real worldQuote:
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Originally Posted by Since452
It’s the way Jambos speak after two tours of some god damn hell hole.
“I’ve seen things that would make your grandma blush son! Don’t tell me I can’t handle an away trip to Arbroath!”
Jambo007
Hearts are getting hammered here , the drop in T/O going down will be in lost income ,TV,Advertisement other income , lack of Fans at game due to Covid#19 will be 33% to 40% on a current t/o of £15m . so £5/6 M . OR MORE...Companies are not going to rush and spend monies on Football, This is a PANDEMIC it's NOT Hearts FAULT ....SEASON VOID !!
Is anything ever their fault, played rank football for 18 months, won 4 games in a year (50% against us!!) but still it`s not their fault they are bottom - absolute roasters
Hibs will need a couple of preseason friendlies against lower league opposition to prepare for the coming season, so this would work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
Well yeah, that's why I described it as an unknown. We don't know if a significant number of players have relegation clauses and we don't know the nature of the clauses (i.e, do they just allow the player to leave if they want to, or do they allow the club to cut them loose if they want?).Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
If you’re last when the season ends you go down... as per the rules.
The season can be ended at any point, to cater for unforeseen situations like this... as per the rules.
They had plenty opportunities to get out of last place but they just weren’t good enough, a couple of good results versus us and Rangers but they couldn’t turn it on against the bottom 6 teams, who had the experience and grit to avoid relegation while they kept peddling the belief that they’re too big to fail. I have a bit of sympathy but the rules being implemented were drawn up and signed up to way before anyone even heard of this virus, now they want to change the rules because they’re detrimental to them.
Surely if they have a relegation clause then they will overrule it and allow them to stay on the same terms as before. Why should any player suffer as a result of the pandemic, it’s not the players fault and we don’t need rule enforcement at a time like this, we need imaginative thinking.. or does that not apply in this situation?Quote:
Originally Posted by nonshinyfinish
Remember when Hearts thought they had won last year's league by around November and their fans were singing we shall not be moved. Pretty much from that point onwards they have been in free fall. Loving it [emoji4]
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I think “Relegation Clause” in a player’s contract agrees a wage reduction if the team is relegated, some might include a release option but in the main it is there to reduce the club’s wage liability.Quote:
Originally Posted by nonshinyfinish
We could maybe make it an annual thing like we do with Berwick Rangers. Give them a wee helping hand and that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Eyrie
It wouldn't surprise me if there were no relegation clauses in their players contracts.
HRH Budge was quite firm around Christmas time saying they had not made any plans regarding relegation and had no plans to do so. Why would they need relegation clauses in such high value contracts?
She deffo said if relegated no more reduction in wages was agreed with the players after that cut the other week .Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
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They thought they had won it by September.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ko Ko Joe
... and remember that there will be a TV programme after all this focussing on the football prowess/ business acumen of those involved at Hearts this season.
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Originally Posted by Greenworld
I think the agreement is that the wage cuts agreed with their players only apply at the current rate. If they have a relegation clause which kicks in, they won’t have another 10-30% on that.
Spoke with a work mate today on the phone. Total Jambo, Hearts season ticket holder for around 30 years. We discussed work issues mainly and how we can get around the CV19 issues when we go back. Towards the end of the call he said didn't want to discuss football at all, totally embarrassed by his club. They aren't all entitled fruit loops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
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They’ve ‘moved’ alright, down the panQuote:
Originally Posted by Ko Ko Joe
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Originally Posted by Ko Ko Joe
They are right though, they shall not be moved from bottom of the league, well, down to the 1st division but hey 🤣
Not with the millions she spent to avoid relegationQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack
Like the wee maroon poo that they areQuote:
Originally Posted by Joe6-2
Could they trigger such a clause if they were claiming they were expelled rather than relegated though 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by hibeerealist
Excellent point !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by high bee
Our reserve team might draw them in the Tunnocks Caramel wafer cup.
Should maybe use their fighting fund to make yamsback run a bit better, even their fans websites run like ***** :faf:
We still have a cup semi final to play against them. Could be the first game after the lockdown is lifted 🤔Quote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
If you spend your life driving a Rolls Royce while your pal with the wee wreck has to suck it up, you can’t really then ask him to cover your payments for it if things go wrong for you and you can’t afford it yourself.
Craig Swan sums it up perfectly.
I'm sure they won't lower any wages, after all, Budge's stated get principle that it's wrong to punish anyone as a result of covid. She wouldn't deviate from that principle, would she?Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Call the league officially on 19th May.
The day (in 2012) where they claim they “Ended us as a club”.
The irony would be so so sweet.
I would love that. [emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
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“ **** Clyde. They know league governance is corrupt, but hey, we are going to hide away like pussies and do **** all about it. They also voted to end leagues screwing us, Partick and Stranraer.
**** Clyde”
Yes, that’s right Jambos. Clyde should have voted to relegated themselves from 7th place, 18 clear of automatic relegation, to save Hearts, the worst team in the top flight for nearly 2 years now. You couldn’t make it up.
I cannae wait for this tv series. There isn’t a bag of popcorn big enough ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Radium
I don't think Stendel will be back. I suspect there will be something in his contract that allows him and the club to cut ties which I think will happen.
On another note he seems to be escaping most of the flak for how terrible they were under him, seems Levein and Budge are the main culprits in all this.
That has to happen.It would be like one of them old East of Scotland shield games from the early eighties.Quote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
The players and Stendel have had it very easy indeed. Craziness.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeithTheHibby
Have they gone yet, are they doon, stendal for life long hertz president.
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Imagine the league had been interrupted then!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ko Ko Joe
That’s good for us. Hopefully most of them remain there. If they do then I’d say they’ve a decent chance of ****ing up promotion next year. They almost always got beat against all the bottom sides in our league, I wouldn’t be surprised if they struggled against the top half of the Championship as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibeesmad
Nope. Dont even say it. Wouldnt have been fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by snedzuk
Based on their performances against Falkirk and Partick in recent times too I would fancy the championship to be a lot tighter than they may anticipate. Especially with them having to probably flog off their 'better' players to balance the books.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
That benefactor wasted an absolute bomb.
Thats a good point Kato, we tend to think brokeback is a reflection of their total support, when its just a concentration of the very worst of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
MS pointed this out in his recent article. Stendel had enough time and was backed in January, but his lunatic tactics nearly cost them all three points against Hamilton at home and he’s copping no flak from the flumps.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeithTheHibby
Stendel gets off lightly with them. As it stands his reign has been a complete disaster. They got worse under him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Well imo they wouldnt have been near relegation had they kept Levein.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baader
Don’t worry Levein will get them back up. It might not be very entertaining but he has to earn that big salary somehow...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibeesmad
Hearts traditional style of play is completely suited to the 2nd tier in Scotland. Roughhousing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazyhorse
You suspect correctly stendel and hearts have a relegation clause allowing both terminate contracts.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeithTheHibby
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What also might effect hearts when in the championship is the league may not kick off at all.
Every effort will be put into getting the premier going before the rest.
Seems to have been a very quiet day for statements.
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manaliveits105 manaliveits105
Posted 5 hours ago
Once football up and running we should initiate The Integrity Cup - either just 2 legs with us and Partick or include other clubs impacted by or who opposed the self interest some additional income - us Partick Falkirk and ICT
The Integrity Cup 😂 you couldn’t make it up.
I think you’d struggle to find someone who disagrees with that. IMO with Levein in the charge they pick up points, it ain’t pretty but it would be better than Stendel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waxy
They’re making such a song and dance about it being an ‘expulsion’ too......I wonder if they’d have the brass neck to invoke relegation clauses when they’re refusing to recognise it as such?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
The creditors cup would be a good idea, all ticket sales money going to the Lady Haig poppy fund, Scottish Amubulance Service, Macraes Battalion trust, Big Hearts and other similar bumped charities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kojock
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The Losers Challenge Trophy! :thumbsup:Quote:
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Just like Hibs.netQuote:
Originally Posted by surreyhibbie
😂😂😂
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Originally Posted by Kojock
Wow.
They have no memories or no brains.
Can we have a permanent thread on here showing the full list of creditors they shafted and they can see it everytime one of them floats over for a look and also for anyone on here to easily copy paste anytime they might need it.
Never ever let them forget.
Managed to beat us, so everything else is forgivenQuote:
Originally Posted by Baader
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Makes a change from kickback
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Originally Posted by Kojock
The Sanctimonious Invitational.
Alongside the football, they can give out moral integrity medals to each other.
Apparently Budge has offered to host it at Tynecastle Park - but this has NOTHING to do with the fees, ticket sales and hospitality earnings, and is purely out of a desire to support other clubs.
Great idea. I’m gathering they are going to play the players they forced with the sack unless they took paycuts while competing in this integrity cup? Get Romanov or Moonbeams to present the trophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kojock
But it's just not 4pointsback, is it ? We've had politicians, ex-players, lawyers, Ann Budge, media hacks and BBC commentators all squealing like pigs and generally stoking up the nutters who inhabit that swamp.Quote:
Originally Posted by surreyhibbie
Why let the truth get in the way of a good story, in 2015 when STF paid off BoS wether in full or part, the Government had less than 20% of the shares in Lloyds Banking Group and even at its peak it was only 43%, so they were never "tax payer owned"Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzywuzzy
Hardly the same as robbing poppy charities, Lithuanian pensioners and countless others
Hearts are such a basket case, their own fans don't know where to start. Budge's stewardship, keeping Craig Levein on, recruiting Stendel, Stendel's abysmal management, the players horrendous performances, the rank awful recruitment, the massive over-spending, the bloated player pool, the hyper inflated wages and on and on. You'd struggle to find one part of the club that's functioning properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
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Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
Yep, I've had that conversation with a numpty who goes by the name of Ali HIBberd on twitter. I'm waiting for the official end of season announcement before I point out how difficult it must be for him to write his name. 😂
https://twitter.com/BBCSportsound/status/1259117898355953667?s=19
Thats great point any players with relegation clauses in contracts can say but we suffered expulsion lol messyQuote:
Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
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This has to be an undercover Hibby on the wind up. Surely no-one is that stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kojock
I know, but the great think is they are creating some sort of siege mentality and blaming everyone bar themselves. I live in hope that this means they continue to stumble on with business as usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
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Wow, the bitterness!
It’s perhaps revisiting that time nearly 20 years ago though: back then Scottish football had recent memories of participating in a World Cup, the game was still just about in touching distance with the top leagues (although a gap had already opened and was widening) and clubs were spending money like crazy...
Then the TV deal debacle happened and suddenly things were different.
In 2002/3, both Hibs and Hearts has debts around £17-18m each. Both had spent money on their stadiums in the 90s but redevelopment was not complete. Neither owned its own training facilities.
The clubs considered a ground share, but when that idea collapsed they faced a choice. Do they accept the new, relatively impoverished reality, or do they ignore it and hope the money just keeps coming from somewhere?
We know how it went after that.
So who thinks Hearts will take Legal route or now back down
I think they will not take legal action and fall into line.
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As has been pointed out on many occasions, UEFA does not look kindly on clubs going to the courts other than the Court of Arbitration in Sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
Personally, I hope they do go to court because they're very unlikely to win and the costs could be horrible.
They will not go legal. They know they have no chance. Her grandstanding now means she has to find a way of talking down all their numpty fans though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
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They and the couple of other members of the new hun sister & brotherhood haven't so far set out clearly what the issues of law they want rulings on are so it's a no for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
Sevco did disclose a QC's view but it read more like a rehash of several earlier whines. If it was so relevant, given the apparent importance to them why not just issue proceedings quickly, the clock was ticking the whole time and Mrs doctor Budge will have known she hadn't even sharpened the task force pencils never mind being able to put anything on the table on time - so it proved.
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Surely the chip fryers are functioning properly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
I reckon it’s just posturing. Ann Budge said she’d accept relegation if that’s what the clubs voted for, don’t see her changing her mind now. A legal challenge would be costly and would hurt their reputation massively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
It would only hurt their reputation if they won!Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Bagpuss won't change her mind she is a women of integrity :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Who would Hearts take to court? It wouldn’t be the SFA would UEFA be bothered if it was a company i.e. SPFL?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan62
It’s a genuine question, I’m not clear on this myself.
If you take the Spfl to court surley you are taking the 11 other clubs to court in effect as the spfl only represent themQuote:
Originally Posted by Crazyhorse
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It's even better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
It's the other 41 clubs as they're all members of the one organisation (SPFL).
It would be the SPFL.But as you say that's the clubs and themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazyhorse
A democratic vote was held for the issue they dont like and they voted on it.
Therefore they must accept the vote outcome.
The end.
Not a chance they'll take legal action. They're done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
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Originally Posted by Onion
The Jambo tears are incredible. I didn’t think they were capable of being so graceless in their relegation but holy ****, they’ve outdone themselves and then some. If someone offered me a normal relegation or the way it’s happened for Hearts then I’d choose this route every single time.
I actually sent a donation to Nairn today after their excellent statement at the weekend. True community club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Hope they do, and hope they have the estate agent as part of their legal (advice) team :greengrin his utter lack of legal knowledge on Sportsound filled me with confidence they'll try.......and fail spectacularly :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
I was made aware of a post of a 4th year 'law student' on their forum yesterday (confidently predicting they have a case) and hope that he takes this extended time of furlough and contemplation to actually read some law books and not spout nonsense on a football forum........or I'm afraid his law career is already over :greengrin
Assuming your a law person?Quote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
If yes what could they conceivably put forward in court
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If Deans is to be believed they'll go down a delict route and duty of care...............and they have no chance. As for an injunction............I'll become a priest if any court grants one :aok: that should answer your question GW :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
One of the funniest things if they take the SPFL to court is that, because they are members themselves, not only are they taking themselves to court, they will be required to contribute towards the cost of defending the SPFL against themselves. So they are going to pay twice, once for each side. Mental.
Any money they throw at a legal challenge is money wasted............let's see how serious The Rangers are when it comes to playing in Europe and needing to challenge Celtic.....a club already mired in debt :aok: Absolutely not going to happen.....if Hearts do, they're on the road to nowhere.......I think when Deans said they'd consulted a QC he really meant he'd drank a bottle of QC :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by ShadesLongThrow
I hope they do because they'll get laughed out of court.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
What they'll most likely do is continue to squeal and squeal 🐷🐷 in the hope they'll be offered money to make then shut up. To help that cause, the likes of L Deans will be given a lot of airtime and column inches by the Jambo friendly media.
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Originally Posted by truehibernian
All hot air and they will make noises to appease the “wee cousins bereft of bus fares” BUT NO court action,