What spin have they put on that?Quote:
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What spin have they put on that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
World beating planning?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
They are going to need washing machines when they arrive (unless Patel is making them carry their own), they are bound to be broken so an over priced repair from the government's preferred supplier is assured.
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To be fair they won the contract fair and square as they had stood next to Pritti at a cocktail evening once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I can't believe that they are allowing the bosch into the country!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
Not the first time this government have found themselves Indesit.
It is a hot point of debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
https://twitter.com/lawrencedunhill/...729798151?s=21
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On that same thread, our "world-leading data regime" https://twitter.com/OliverDowden/sta...77797774090246 . Will this drivel never stop? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Between Johnson in a fridge and Patel and her washing machines this is the government for white men and white goods
An A to Z guide of Boris Johnson’s failures in government
A…*is for Afghanistan. A foreign policy disaster.
B*Brexit. Not going very well, is it?
C*Covid. One of the highest death rates, one of the biggest economic hits, and corruption galore.
D*Defence cuts. See A and S.
E*Environment. As Greta Thunberg brutally exposed, Britain’s claim to be a climate leader is more presentational than real, and COP26 looms.
F*Farmers and fishermen. Betrayed. See B.
G*Grenfell. Promises followed by inaction.
H*Honesty. Enough said.
I*Irish border. See also B, H and S.
J*Justice. A courts system in crisis, a justice secretary defending his government’s law-breaking, judicial review changes to undermine the rule
of law.
K*Kingdom, United, and the strains on it created by B, H, I, Z and more.
L*Levelling Up. Still a slogan without a strategy.
M*Mental health. As with E and L, much talk, less action.
N*NHS. You know the story.
O*Overseas Aid and Development. DfiD a genuine world-beating organisation. Scrapped in defiance of a manifesto commitment. Dominic Raab now in charge.
P*Police, and a Police Federation that has passed a vote of no confidence in the government.
Q*Queen. The one Boris Johnson lied to.
R*Red Wall. See L.
S*Special Relationship. Wrecked. See A, B, I, K, O, Z.
T*Test, Track and Trace. See C.
U*Universities and schools. Gavin Williamson is still education secretary.
V*Vaccination. Let’s hear it for their one relative success, though the much-vaunted ‘world-beating’ status has been overtaken by several others.
W*Welfare. Universal Credit cuts knowingly pushing more people into poverty.
Y*Youth Services. Slashed.
Z*… and it all adds up to a great big Z for Zero, the worst government in living memory, the worst prime minister at the worst possible time…
Alternative A to Z issues and adjectives are available.
Credit to https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/a-t...on-government/
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp...versal-credit/
I suppose you could call this anti family. :wink:
And yet his leader calls a £250k salaried job "chicken feed".Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
More lies.
“We continually increase the Living Wage – last time by a record amount”
That was the claim from Boris Johnson yesterday in an*interview with the BBC. The prime minister said he was “proud” that the government had “pumped up” the National Living Wage as part of a “jobs-first recovery” from the pandemic.
The National Living Wage has increased every year since it was introduced by David Cameron’s government in 2016.
It sets a legal minimum for workers across the UK aged 23 and over (younger workers are subject to lower rates on the National Minimum Wage).
But Mr Johnson’s claim that the most recent rise in the Living Wage was the highest ever doesn’t add up.
In April 2021, the Living Wage rose by*2.2 per cent*compared to the previous year. But in April 2020, the rise was nearly three times larger at*6.2 per cent. And in 2019, the boost was 5 per cent.
In fact, the most recent rise was the lowest increase in the National Living Wage since the policy was first introduced.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...hest-on-record
New hospitals.
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status...39358768041988
It should not be called the living wage. It is still the minimum wage and to live on it is not possible, exist maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
THE BLACK SALTIRE#FBSI on Twitter: "World Leaders former occupations Canada: Teacher France: Finances Germany: Scientist Finland: Police Chief Ireland: Doctor Scotland: Solicitor Iceland: Lecturer Portugal: Law Professer New Zealand: Researcher UK: Columnist (Sacked For Lying)" / Twitter
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Comedy Gove
https://youtu.be/toYL4jjl4q4
Im not a violent man but Michael Gove has an incredibly punchable face doesnt he?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
I wouldn’t get tired of slapping him, and even if I did I could move on to knees to the groin quite happily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lancs Harp
You're both going to have to join the queue behind my wife, she has first dibs 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Looks like the drug supply chains haven't been affected by Brexit.
Well, to be fair to the useless fat tub of lard currently impersonating a prime minister (when he's not too busy hiding in fridges, reading Asterix books or dipping his ****ing wick in places he shouldn't} he's not really lying, is he?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
They did increase the minimum wage by a record amount, unfortunately it was by a record low.
https://twitter.com/matthighton/stat...070845446?s=21
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a government we didn't vote for, oh the irony...:hilarious
https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...b7&oe=613A93D1
Claims of Anti-Semitism because they dared to criticise Israel... sad but predictable.
I see Johnson is planning to increase National Insurance across the whole of the UK, to help fund things like Social Care.... in England.
If you need this money, why not just be honest and increase the upper tax rate by one per cent, as has been done in Scotland?
Tory MP Andrew Bowie telling lies on the BBC earlier today:
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/stat...45940058365954
You really are a daftie, aren't you? :-)Quote:
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Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
True....
...but what about my question?
Why does Boris not just give the NHS the 350 million a week from the side of his bus like he said he would do?
£18 billion a year would cover it nicely.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Exile
So many choices they have to fix their problem, but they've decided to tax the young again.
Pitiful.
You can't share what was never there.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Exile
Where did it go? Maybe even the Nasty party might struggle to spirit it away to their chums if it didn't exist in the first place?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...5d8689303e.jpg
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Every time there’s a story about finance or borrowing or cost of living, the Daily Mail readers bleat “don’t get it if you can’t afford it”.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Same applies for Brexit - you voted for it, you pay for it. Don’t expect the rest of us to bail you out for everything that you want.
Bbc Laura K
So far...
PM confirms 1.25% hike in NI + dividend tax, first and foremost going the NHS, 36bn over 3 years
Lifetime limit for care costs for individuals will be 86k
If you have assets btw 20k and 100k you'll be eligible for some support
5.3bn extra until 2025 for social care
Important to note PM says cap will be for those 'starting care' from October 23, implication the limit won't apply to those already in the system + White Paper on 'integration' of health and care, how the care system might actually be reformed won't come til later in the yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
https://twitter.com/Telecast1958/status/1435210284851994628?s=19Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
It's just insane now they've got away with this lie, and no journalist is willing to call them out.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Exile
They've just broken a manifesto commitment in order to save the NHS, after campaigning for Brexit on the basis we could give £350m a week to save the NHS. How the actual f*** is that not getting torn apart?
Are the Tories the party of high taxes now? Because if Labour had done this they would be hammered. Covid wouldn't save them.
He's no Prince Andrew, that's for sure. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMotta
36 billion required for the NHS, yet they just gave away/stole 37 billion for a failed track and trace system.
Crooks.
Sure I read somewhere it was world beating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chorley Hibee
Covid certainly created the opportunity for some world beating contracts to be awarded free of proper scrutiny.
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The wealth of UK billionaires is up by £106,500,000,000 in the pandemic.
But instead of making them pay more, the Tories are raising National Insurance, hitting low paid & young workers the hardest.
Social care should be funded with a wealth tax, not a tax on the working class.
Tory manifesto promise broken again.
BREAKING Triple lock on pensions has been SCRAPPED for 2022/23
It means pensions will NOT rise by 8% next April. Instead will rise by inflation (or 2.5%).
Therese Coffey says it's to stop pensioners "unfairly benefiting from a statistical anomaly".
Is only for one year
Not content with freezing personal allowances they move on to pensioners and the working people with there manifesto in tatters who is next
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Originally Posted by ronaldo7
This could come back to bite them on the bum. Inflation is surely higher than 2.5% if the cost of food is rising.
Bit rich coming from Therese Coffey as we have the lowest pension compared to other countries
BBC asking "can we still trust the Tory Party?"
I mean FOR **** SAKE
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Imagine Corbyn presided over a 8% rise in food prices.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
Imagine Corbyn presided over 100,000 Covid deaths.
Imagine Corbyn gave cash bribes to Taliban.
Imagine the press reaction.
Just be grateful it wasn't chaos with Ed Miliband.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Imagine there was an opposition party.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
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There is enough money been swindled within the Tories and there pals over the years to more than cover these ridiculous extra taxes.
Strong and stable :faf: it’s easy to forget how much nonsense they’ve spouted since the Cameron days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chorley Hibee
An age group that have overwhelmingly voted Tory despite seeing the poor shafted, small business owners shafted, the young shafted, our friends in the UK originally from the EU shafted, industries shafted, minorities shafted, the majority of us shafted now surprised that it’s their turn to feel it,Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Forgive me if my sympathy levels are at absolutely zero for anyone who voted for this lot.
Agreed. They made their bed...Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
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Originally Posted by hibsbollah
ftfy
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I like to think I've developed a modicum of forgiveness and compassion in my old age but Tory voters can stew in the cesspit of their own making.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Jimmy
As if any more proof was needed to confirm Williamson as a total arse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-w33BgW...pg&name=medium
Well, who saw that coming, Dom? :rolleyes:
******* ****.
Is this that levelling up thing we keep hearing about?Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
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I don’t understand what DCs motivation is. He’s just careering about social media like a wrecking ball attacking the men and women he put in power, oblivious to the fact he’s much more unpopular than they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
He is right but what a total ****bag. He is part of the machine that creates the spin that convinces the desperate and hard of thinking working person to vote Tory. He needs to look in the mirror and start to see he and his type are at least as big a problem as the Tories as they enable them.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Agreed, he even admitted it was all spin... the £350 on the bus was an example he used... made up and not easily challenged at the time, and when it could be it was too late and after the the factQuote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
They lie, admit they lied yet people go on believing them. Maybe it's because it's British lies -not like the Communist lies you would have to swallow if what's his name had been elected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
I support the idea of free social care for all the elderly who need it in the UK. It should be fully incorporated into the NHS, which means minimal private care homes. We all pay in, as we do for hospitals, and then residential care is free at the point of use for those who need it. That means everyone pays in throughout their working lives; however, once again the Tories put the cost into the laps of lower paid workers, increasing NI contributions from 12 per cent to 13.25 on earnings below fifty thousand. However, above that amount the increase is from just 2 to 3 per cent. REMOVE THE CAP at 50,000; indeed, like income tax, make NI rates higher the more one earns. This would create a massive boost for the NHS, social care and pensions.
Mind you it is very difficult to tell them apart, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
Stupid Tory ministers I mean.
I think we should just scrap NI altogether, roll it into income tax and be done with it. Regressive and confusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
£1.1 billion of the expected £12 billion raised will be given to the Scottish government. That's almost double the £660 million which (according to the Scottish government) it will cost to establish a new national care service in Scotland. Hard to see how that can be regarded as bad news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
It’s bad news for people on lower wages who are disproportionately shouldering the burden of paying this tax?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
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🎵Why do birds suddenly appear Every time you are near?🎵 https://t.co/1XFfWuXuE4
Hard to see how anyone cannot see that for what it is. Rich robbing the poor, again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Unfortunately quite a few of the victims seem happy with the perpetrators. BonkersQuote:
Originally Posted by Kato
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" ****, some people have noticed what we're doing there. How did that happen? I know, let's make up a story about two blondes in government having a personality clash and let it be known to Kuenssberg and Peston. That'll take their minds off the NI scam."Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
https://mobile.twitter.com/georgeeat...62962934321153
There are only *three* Tory seats where home ownership is below 50%.
This is one reason why the government is taxing work, not wealth. https://newstatesman.com/politics/ec...home-ownership
Hard to see??Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
More money to be paid out by those who can least afford it whilst the affluent are untouched or get a better deal. It'd be hard to find a more Tory-esque policy.
It takes all types.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
My guess is some pensioners will lap it up. For the life of me, I can't understand why labour voters are doing so though.
Bonkers
Because some former Labour voters are lapping up the thought of boats of refugees being turned back in the channel.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
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Exactly. The red wall will be loving it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
How much of the 1.1 billion will be raised in Scotland?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
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Originally Posted by He's here!
But wouldn't it have been a better idea just to tax the well off instead, and not disproportionately take money from those that are already struggling?
As I already said, I personally think they should have raised the current 40% tax rate, as they've done in Scotland. I'm one of the lucky people that now pays 41% and I personally have no problem with that, as it's surely the fairest solution.
It would have been a nice refreshing change if the the Scottish Gov just came out and said great idea this, let's crack on together and make things better!Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
But nah, gotta make a fight out of absolutely everything.
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Originally Posted by Future17
It is a disgrace. Freezing Council Tax is in the same territory. Reward the rich at the expense of the poor.
It's an utterly incoherent policy that won't fix the problem, funded by an incoherent taxation measure that isn't fair and recent polls suggest more people oppose it than support it. This is one of those that they will have thought looked like a clever ploy in the 72 hours during which it was cobbled together but which will fall apart in slow motion from here onwards.
It would have been a nice refreshing change if the UK govt had just committed straight away to distributing the money in the normal fashion.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
But nah, gotta make a fight out of absolutely everything.
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It's been opposed by just about every non-tory politician in the UK precisely because it won't make things better.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
I don't mind have a tax specifically for the NHS and pensions, but the way it works is indeed regressive and needs to be reformed. I would also scrap council tax and implement a local income tax as a fairer method, but that's another debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
But what if it's not a good idea?
Disproportionately taxing the less well off doesn't sound great to most of us.
Go further down the income tax route and you'll get nowhere, the wealthiest in society don't / hardly pay any.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
It's wealth that the govt should be looking to tax.
If that's what you believe, why do you support the Tory NI policy?Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
I generally don't agree with tax rises but everyone is living longer meaning that health, care and pension costs are going to continue to spiral.
They've got to be paid for and NI is a fair way to do it. Well aware that most of you disagree with that bit!
I think the idea has generally been accepted by the public though.
I'm not seeing much opposition to the actual rise, just that some of you feel that it's only higher earners that should be paying it??
So, say that you are a pensioner who currently doesn't pay NI but you paid all your working life. Now you will have to pay NI a second time.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
How exactly is that a fair taxation??
Pensioners turning 65 today are a totally different demographic to someone turning 65 in the 80s or 90s.
Baby boomers are the wealthiest generation of pensioners ever with a lot of them having inherited a property. Not something that was so common 20 or 30 years ago.
They're not all living in council housing relying on the state pension to feed or heat themselves so let's not pretend otherwise. Again, I'm aware that some are, but i'm talking generally here.
Next time you're at ER look at the folk getting out of their cars. A lot of grey haired chaps in their BMWs and Mercs etc are not your stereotypical skint pensioner!
You think a pensioner couple in their 6 bed house in Marchmont can't afford it?
They've enjoyed the triple lock on the state pension for years so a 1.5% tax shouldn't really be too much of a burden.
The way I look at it is you pay your dues throughout your working life so that you don't need to worry about being looked after when you're older.
If not through NI, what would have a been a fair way to raise the extra money?
I don’t think you understand why people don’t like the increase in NI contributions. It’s definitely not because it penalises rich pensioners who live in six bedroom houses in Marchmont, that’s the people it definitely doesn’t punish :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
A fairer way to fund social care (assuming the £350 million a day we’re not giving to the EU anymore was actually a big lie) could include a tax on personal wealth, a tax on inheritance, a tax on property, a tax on second home, lots of alternatives.
Also, an increase from 12% to 13.25% is a 10% tax increase, it’s not a ‘1.5% tax’.
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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
That's an incredibly narrow and cliché'd view of pensioners.
Do they really all live in Marchmont, with triple-locked pensions and drive Mercs or BMWs?
I'll need to speak to my Dad, as he's obviously doing it wrong living in his one bed flat in Port Seton with his old Toyota parked outside.
In my mind, second homes - holiday homes, buy to let properties and the like should be used towards social care at 100% of their value and a percentage of first homes too.
The younger generations have been hammered by the pandemic, with zero hour contracts, ridiculous rent prices and the like and 80% wages being a toxic mix. A generation who for many will never be able to afford their own home.
The older generations have been far more likely to vote for Brexit and Tories which exacerbates the younger generations issues despite seeing what the Tory *******s have been doing to workers, youngsters, small business, immigrants and more. To now expect younger people to fund their retirement and social care when they’re already so much on the breadline is morally bankrupt when it’s already unlikely they’ll never enjoy the same benefits when they are older.
Hammering second, third homes etc rebalances the difference in the housing market, allows a large percentage of first home equity to be kept and is fairer on poorer pensioners who don’t own a home.
I realise that there is still a need for a tax rise to fund care but this shouldn’t be disproportionately unfair towards young workers who quite frankly have a bigger headache ahead of them and will have less to look forward to in their old age.
Well played to the torys on this!
Everyone on here and elsewhere arguing amongst themselves blaming different sections of society when we should all be concentrating on blaming the torys and only the torys for this huge tax hike.
:agree: Divide, divide and divide again, only pausing for breath to call the Scottish Nationalist Party divisive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
I already said it's wealth the govt should be looking to tax, not income :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Maybe, but so is the view that they're all skint and using food banks. Just a bit of balance!Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
Higher rate income tax on earnings above £50k?Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
Why £50k and what sort of rate are you thinking about?
It's 41% just now. I don't know enough about it but raising that to say 50%, would that make a big enough difference?
If it was that simple, why don't governments across the world do it?