**Match updates** Hibernian - Ross County

[Gatecrasher]

Seems odd that wasn't deemed offside he is right in the keepers eyeline it looks like. Seems odd that was ignored then long inquests into our two blatant penalties and third goal 🤔 Seems like something not right with that

Agreed, to me it hit all the markers, even if he was slightly off the keepers sight he's still interfering.

[SonOfDavidFrancey]

A strange one I agree
The ball does go well away from home in the opposite direction so perhaps not line of sight issue?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Never in a million years is the guy who doesn’t do anything interfering with play. That’s a perfectly legitimate goal.

[CapitalGreen]

To me that was as offside as you can get, VAR allowed it. I have no idea what the rules are anymore :rolleyes:

It was number 19 at the back post who scored, not the guy heading the ball in still image.

[BoomtownHibees]

Never in a million years is the guy who doesn’t do anything interfering with play. That’s a perfectly legitimate goal.

He’s in the line of sight of the goalie at the first header

[Donegal Hibby]

Surely if the Ross County player is blocking our keeper from seeing the ball there’s a case that he is interfering with play though? .

[Carheenlea]

What would have happened if the ball came off the back post and the guy standing in front of Smith knocks it in - would that have been offside?

[Paulie Walnuts]

He’s in the line of sight of the goalie at the first header

He’s not.

The guy that wins the header is almost in line with the back post. The guy infront of Smith is in the middle of the goals.

There’s not a chance in hell Smith can’t see the ball because of him.

[BoomtownHibees]

He’s not.

The guy that wins the header is almost in line with the back post. The guy infront of Smith is in the middle of the goals.

There’s not a chance in hell Smith can’t see the ball because of him.

From the first header that the guy heads against the post, the County player is standing right in front of the goalie. Without him being in his eye-line, Smith may have been able to get a touch on the ball rather than it hitting the post and going to the goal scorer

[Paulie Walnuts]

From the first header that the guy heads against the post, the County player is standing right in front of the goalie. Without him being in his eye-line, Smith may have been able to get a touch on the ball rather than it hitting the post and going to the goal scorer

The county player standing infront of the goalie is absolutely not blocking his line of sight and is absolutely not stopping smith getting to the ball. The ball is won at the back post. The guy infront of Smith isn’t anywhere near smith to be physically impeding him and he’s in no way blocking Smith from seeing the ball.

[BoomtownHibees]

The county player standing infront of the goalie is absolutely not blocking his line of sight and is absolutely not stopping smith getting to the ball. The ball is won at the back post. The guy infront of Smith isn’t anywhere near smith to be physically impeding him and he’s in no way blocking Smith from seeing the ball.

The first header is won nowhere near the back post. No sure if you’ve actually watched it yet or even looked at the image posted a few posts ago. I’m no fussed about going back and forward with you on this. I’ve made my point, which is line with most who have posted on here so far. If you have a different opinion then that’s cool as well

[Paulie Walnuts]

The first header is won nowhere near the back post. No sure if you’ve actually watched it yet or even looked at the image posted a few posts ago. I’m no fussed about going back and forward with you on this. I’ve made my point, which is line with most who have posted on here so far. If you have a different opinion then that’s cool as well

I’ve seen the highlights and I’ve seen the image. He’s not in his line of sight. Smith doesn’t claim for it either, he’s obviously not of the mind that his sight was impeded.

In the highlights you can see where he wins the ball in relation to the penalty spot. It’s about 3 yards further towards the back post.

A set of goals are 7.32m, so from the penalty spot, it’s 3.66m to the width of the back post. 3 yards is 2.7m.

The offside player is bang in the middle of the goals and in line with the penalty spot. The offside player is probably blocking Smiths view of O’Hora, not the player that wins the ball. Smith will be able to see the offside player, but he’s never at any point not been able to see the ball or been physically impeded by him.

[greenginger]

I’ve seen the highlights and I’ve seen the image. He’s not in his line of sight. Smith doesn’t claim for it either, he’s obviously not of the mind that his sight was impeded.

In the highlights you can see where he wins the ball in relation to the penalty spot. It’s about 4 yards further towards the back post.

A set of goals are 7.32m, so from the penalty spot, it’s 3.66m to the width of the back post. 4 yards is 3.6m, even if you want to call it 3 yards, hes still pretty much at the back post.

The offside player is bang in the middle of the goals and in line with the penalty spot.

Does the Ross County player in the offside position interfere with any Hibs player getting back to clear the ball before it crossed the line.

I’ve only seen the goal once , funny their was no BBC pundit forensic examination.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Does the Ross County player in the offside position interfere with any Hibs player getting back to clear the ball before it crossed the line.

I’ve only seen the goal once , funny their was no BBC pundit forensic examination.

Iredale is beside the offside player when the scorer wins the rebound but by that point it’s a completely different phase of play. And he’s also nowhere near the goalscorer, so he hasn’t stopped iredale clearing it.

[babahibs]

What the pic definitely shows is how pathetic we were at defending a corner. That set up is bloody awful.

[matty_f]

To me that was as offside as you can get, VAR allowed it. I have no idea what the rules are anymore :rolleyes:

It's subjective so if VAR are looking at it and see the guy standing in front of the keeper, it has to go to an on-field review. They've not made a factual decision there. That's a mistake, even if the referee decides the boy isn't interfering with play, it's up to the referee to make that call, not VAR.

[007]

The county player standing infront of the goalie is absolutely not blocking his line of sight and is absolutely not stopping smith getting to the ball. The ball is won at the back post. The guy infront of Smith isn’t anywhere near smith to be physically impeding him and he’s in no way blocking Smith from seeing the ball.

I'd say the guy is interfering with play.

https://i.ibb.co/CzVv3TM/Screenshot-20241216-122116-You-Tube.jpg (https://ibb.co/56svgfn)

[007]

Iredale is beside the offside player when the scorer wins the rebound but by that point it’s a completely different phase of play. And he’s also nowhere near the goalscorer, so he hasn’t stopped iredale clearing it.

And you are wrong about the phase of play. A shot that rebounds straight to an attacking team's player is part of the same phase of play.

[superfurryhibby]

I'd say the guy is interfering with play.

https://i.ibb.co/CzVv3TM/Screenshot-20241216-122116-You-Tube.jpg (https://ibb.co/56svgfn)

Just watched the highlights and I agree, the guy is only a yard or so away from Smith when the ball is headed, right in his line of vision. That's interfering with play for me.

Youan's penalty was well taken, made up for his dire attempt at marking the County player who scored. Much as I like Elie, that was rather pathetic.

I thought Campbell made the most of the challenge for the penalty, the merest tug and he was down. Also think we were a wee bit fortunate with the third, Youan definitely has a bit of a push on their player just at the point of contact with the ball. Credit to Campbell for the pass and the run, YOuan was very unselfish at laying it off for him.

[GreenCastle]

It's hard to keep up with the rules these days but I'd have thought although no.19 that scores was onside, the guy in front of Smith is interfering with play because he's blocking his line of sight. If Smith had a proper view of it he might have got to the ball and tipped it round for a corner instead of it coming back of the post and no.19 heading it in.

https://i.ibb.co/mTpR1jv/Screenshot-20241215-225541-You-Tube.jpg (https://ibb.co/qj6DXS0)

11 Hibs v 6 County players in the box.

The marking and set up for defending the 2v1s and 3v1 / 3v2 was awful from corners.

Didn’t help Cadden got out so slowly but always a free player.

Needs changed or we will lose again from a corner.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'd say the guy is interfering with play.

https://i.ibb.co/CzVv3TM/Screenshot-20241216-122116-You-Tube.jpg (https://ibb.co/56svgfn)

I’d say he isn’t.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'd say he's definetly in the line of sight of the keeper, so therefore obscuring the ball. Offside for me.

[007]

I’d say he isn’t.

And what about the phase of play, are you standing by your claim it is a completely different phase of play when it comes off the post?

[Paulie Walnuts]

And what about the phase of play, are you standing by your claim it is a completely different phase of play when it comes off the post?

IMO that is a completely different phase of play. Regardless of that though, even if it’s not classed as a different phase of play, as I said in my post, he’s not stopping Iredale getting to the ball, so he’s not interfering.

It’s telling that not one Hibs player claims for it. If Smith was unsighted, he’d have been claiming.

[superfurryhibby]

IMO that is a completely different phase of play. Regardless of that though, even if it’s not classed as a different phase of play, as I said in my post, he’s not stopping Iredale getting to the ball, so he’s not interfering.

It’s telling that not one Hibs player claims for it. If Smith was unsighted, he’d have been claiming.

Not sure how you know what Hibs players were or weren't doing as the footage moves on from virtually the moment it crosses the line.

I think you're wrong, the County striker is directly in the keepers sightline a yard away from him. He interferes by being there. It still doesn't excuse Youan's terrible marking or the ridiculous tactic of having all Hibs players in the box but I think you're defending a hopeless case here :greengrin

Hibs were hard done by, that said we got the breaks with a couple of other decisions later on. Sometimes they even themselves out.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not sure how you know what Hibs players were or weren't doing as the footage moves on from virtually the moment it crosses the line.

I think you're wrong, the County striker is directly in the keepers sightline a yard away from him. He interferes by being there. It still doesn't excuse Youan's terrible marking or the ridiculous tactic of having all Hibs players in the box but I think you're defending a hopeless case here :greengrin

Hibs were hard done by, that said we got the breaks with a couple of other decisions later on. Sometimes they even themselves out.

No it doesn’t. There’s 3 seconds of footage afterwards, or at least there is on the highlights I’m watching. Ball crosses the line on 8 seconds, footage cuts to a close up of the goal scorer at 11 seconds. Players will instantly react if they think there’s been an offside. They don’t start walking away then remember about it.

He’s in his sight, he’s not in his sight line. That’s two very different things. There’s no way Smith can’t see the ball being won.

A perfectly good goal.

[Northernhibee]

I’d be raging if we had that chalked off for us.

[linlithgowhibbie]

No it doesn’t. There’s 3 seconds of footage afterwards, or at least there is on the highlights I’m watching. Ball crosses the line on 8 seconds, footage cuts to a close up of the goal scorer at 11 seconds. Players will instantly react if they think there’s been an offside. They don’t start walking away then remember about it.

He’s in his sight, he’s not in his sight line. That’s two very different things. There’s no way Smith can’t see the ball being won.

A perfectly good goal.

Hey PW,

Did you work the VAR at Easter RD on Saturday?:agree:

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’d be raging if we had that chalked off for us.

Of course you would. And I’d suggest the handful of posters claiming it’s offside would be right on the Scandalous Refereeing thread calling it yet another anti Hibs conspiracy, same as every other week. :greengrin

[greenginger]

It's hard to keep up with the rules these days but I'd have thought although no.19 that scores was onside, the guy in front of Smith is interfering with play because he's blocking his line of sight. If Smith had a proper view of it he might have got to the ball and tipped it round for a corner instead of it coming back of the post and no.19 heading it in.

https://i.ibb.co/mTpR1jv/Screenshot-20241215-225541-You-Tube.jpg (https://ibb.co/qj6DXS0)


Is there not a possibility that number 19 the goalscorer is offside when the first header is made .

If the lines were drawn his arm ( the shirt sleeve part ) is in line with the backside of the last Hibs player

[BILLYHIBS]

Looked a weird strange goal to lose at the time my gut instinct told me something wasn’t quite right but my brain put it down to us just being crap

Did any Hibs players claim for an infringement ?

I was too much in shock and just accepted it

VAR said GOAL!

Weirdest stat: Hibs 9 corners Staggies 15 corners

[Keith_M]

It's hard to keep up with the rules these days but I'd have thought although no.19 that scores was onside, the guy in front of Smith is interfering with play because he's blocking his line of sight. If Smith had a proper view of it he might have got to the ball and tipped it round for a corner instead of it coming back of the post and no.19 heading it in.

https://i.ibb.co/mTpR1jv/Screenshot-20241215-225541-You-Tube.jpg (https://ibb.co/qj6DXS0)


The county player standing infront of the goalie is absolutely not blocking his line of sight and is absolutely not stopping smith getting to the ball. The ball is won at the back post. The guy infront of Smith isn’t anywhere near smith to be physically impeding him and he’s in no way blocking Smith from seeing the ball.


I'm sorry, but in what universe is this not offside?

:confused:

[JimBHibees]

Is there not a possibility that number 19 the goalscorer is offside when the first header is made .

If the lines were drawn his arm ( the shirt sleeve part ) is in line with the backside of the last Hibs player

There was a still and the scorer was onside. The offside is determined on parts of the body you can score with.

[JimBHibees]

I'm sorry, but in what universe is this not offside?

:confused:

Obviously judged he wasn’t in line with the goalie which looking at their feet he clearly was.

[greenginger]

There was a still and the scorer was onside. The offside is determined on parts of the body you can score with.

I know, that’s why I said the shirt sleeve part which seems to be the border between the arm and the shoulder.