Jordan Smith

[SHODAN]

Why isn't he being given a chance or being played in any reserve/development games?

He wasn't great against Kelty but is he really that bad?

[andrew70]

Why isn't he being given a chance or being played in any reserve/development games?

He wasn't great against Kelty but is he really that bad?

Genuinely what did he do wrong against Kelty?

What I remember from being at the match is he was the only one who reacted to the short corner, screaming at Boyle to close it down.

He couldn’t save the header.

Not saying he’s good but can’t remember any errors. It was a while ago so who knows.

Edit: I just rewatched the highlights he was poor coming for one Scott Allan corner but held the other two shots. He’s got to be worth another chance if not him, Boruc.

[Groathillgrump]

Why isn't he being given a chance or being played in any reserve/development games?

He wasn't great against Kelty but is he really that bad?

Difficult to believe he can be worse than Bursik!

[Paulie Walnuts]

I honestly just don’t believe for a second he can be worse than Bursik.

Bursik may well be a better keeper when he’s brimming with confidencr, who knows, but the version of Bursik that we’re seeing as so bad that I genuinely think we could pluck any goalie out of the professional leagues and they’d do better.

[Northernhibee]

Fan reviews from his last club were absolutely brutal.

[Centre Hawf]

I remember him looking very very clumsy at Kelty and coming away disappointed in him. I don't remember him being that bad for the goal though.

If we replaced Bursik with him tonight I won't have any complaints, but if it transpires he's just as ***** at least we can absolve Dave Gray of blame for sticking with Bursik so long. Unless he signed either of them himself that is.

[Chorley Hibee]

Plucked from League 2 in England and has barely played a game in 5 YEARS!

I think that gives us a fair insight into his ability.

Whoever is responsible for Bursik and him should be out of a job.

[Green forever]

I know Boruc lost a lot of goals when on loan at Arbroath (but then the whole team was very poor) but the few times that I've seen him then I definitely rate him above Bursic. I know that's a low bar but I think he'd be an improvement and deserves a chance anyway.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I remember him looking very very clumsy at Kelty and coming away disappointed in him. I don't remember him being that bad for the goal though.

If we replaced Bursik with him tonight I won't have any complaints, but if it transpires he's just as ***** at least we can absolve Dave Gray of blame for sticking with Bursik so long. Unless he signed either of them himself that is.

The suggestion seems to be it was Samson’s doing with regards to the GK signings.

Gray wanted him in as his staff so he has to shoulder the blame if the people who chooses to work with him are unable to do their job properly.

[Pretty Boy]

If he's terrible then he's terrible. The keeper we have now has been terrible so we aren't really any worse off.

Bursik came with a better pedigree and it may be more his head has gone rather than lack of ability but regardless he is all over the place right now, making bad decisions and that is only going to worsen as the errors mount.

The only argument I could make for sticking with Bursik is that if we had to revert back to him then being dropped might impact his confidence even more. I don't believe for a second we won't address the situation in January though so it's worth risking the change imo. We have Boruc as well; I saw him a couple of times for Arbroath and didn't particularly rate him but reports from the development team seem generally positive so that may be the best solution.

[Unseen work]

He made one mistake at Kelty iirc

He came for a cross, missed it and Kelty hit the bar.

Bursik has done much worse. Even one the other night that’s not been discussed - near the end when it was 3-1 mulligan got to the bye line and cut a cross back along the ground, Bursik dived outward to try and collect it and missed it completely. Thankfully no Dundee player was there for a tap in

[Centre Hawf]

The suggestion seems to be it was Samson’s doing with regards to the GK signings.

Gray wanted him in as his staff so he has to shoulder the blame if the people who chooses to work with him are unable to do their job properly.

I'm not having a go at you or saying you're wrong or whoever told you is lying. But one of my biggest bug bears at the moment with this football club is the lack of accountability across the football department on who is actually building this squad anymore as everything is shifting player to player staff to staff.

Who signed the keeper? Wasnae me it was him.
Okay did he also scout the centre half then? No that was the guy we let go of last week.
Okay I assume the manager wanted Mykola back then? Actually that was the CEO because he's pals with the agent.
What did the Director of Football do? Not sure because the owner also does things too.
What did the Black Knights do? Nothing because we didn't answer the phone until a few weeks ago but now they're here for January.

The merry-go-round of accountability in recruitment is absolutely infuriating and it's like it is designed to protect everyone from scrutiny, instead it just makes me more angry with everyone and want them all gone asap.

Apologies for the rant.

[HIBS NUTS]

Much as I want a change of goalkeeper, he really has not got a great career behind him, was he not second keeper at Stockport, and played in the 8th tier of English football.
However he can’t be worse than our current keeper.
SURELY.
What a **** show
Hearts have internationalist on the bench

[K-Zazu]

David Marshall knows him, think that’s how the deal happened. Remember at the time it was reported that Marshall made the deal happen.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'm not having a go at you or saying you're wrong or whoever told you is lying. But one of my biggest bug bears at the moment with this football club is the lack of accountability across the football department on who is actually building this squad anymore as everything is shifting player to player staff to staff.

Who signed the keeper? Wasnae me it was him.
Okay did he also scout the centre half then? No that was the guy we let go of last week.
Okay I assume the manager wanted Mykola back then? Actually that was the CEO because he's pals with the agent.
What did the Director of Football do? Not sure because the owner also does things too.
What did the Black Knights do? Nothing because we didn't answer the phone until a few weeks ago but now they're here for January.

The merry-go-round of accountability in recruitment is absolutely infuriating and it's like it is designed to protect everyone from scrutiny, instead it just makes me more angry with everyone and want them all gone asap.

Apologies for the rant.

Couldn’t agree more :agree:

So far this summer we’ve been told Samson signed the goalies, Gray specifically wanted Triantis and Myko, Malky Mackay has been on here claiming Ian Gordon is still meddling and none of this is his fault whatsoever and we’ve had posters on here telling us we are signing Brian McDermotts targets despite the fact we had already acknowledged he wasn’t any good at what he was doing because Malky Mackay didn’t have the time to sort any of his own out. Oh, and Gray was going to be manager regardless of what Mackay thought and that was decided before he came in the door. Mackay had to put his name to it though and pretend it was him. Mackay was also hovering around the club and by complete coincidence we definitely did conduct a full review and he was the standout guy for his post.

It really is a mess.

[Joe6-2]

David Marshall knows him, think that’s how the deal happened. Remember at the time it was reported that Marshall made the deal happen.

Oh dear

[Is It On....]

I'm not having a go at you or saying you're wrong or whoever told you is lying. But one of my biggest bug bears at the moment with this football club is the lack of accountability across the football department on who is actually building this squad anymore as everything is shifting player to player staff to staff.

Who signed the keeper? Wasnae me it was him.
Okay did he also scout the centre half then? No that was the guy we let go of last week.
Okay I assume the manager wanted Mykola back then? Actually that was the CEO because he's pals with the agent.
What did the Director of Football do? Not sure because the owner also does things too.
What did the Black Knights do? Nothing because we didn't answer the phone until a few weeks ago but now they're here for January.

The merry-go-round of accountability in recruitment is absolutely infuriating and it's like it is designed to protect everyone from scrutiny, instead it just makes me more angry with everyone and want them all gone asap.

Apologies for the rant.

Spot on for me [sadly] 🎯

[CL0762]

Couldn’t agree more :agree:

So far this summer we’ve been told Samson signed the goalies, Gray specifically wanted Triantis and Myko, Malky Mackay has been on here claiming Ian Gordon is still meddling and none of this is his fault whatsoever and we’ve had posters on here telling us we are signing Brian McDermotts targets despite the fact we had already acknowledged he wasn’t any good at what he was doing because Malky Mackay didn’t have the time to sort any of his own out. Oh, and Gray was going to be manager regardless of what Mackay thought and that was decided before he came in the door. Mackay had to put his name to it though and pretend it was him. Mackay was also hovering around the club and by complete coincidence we definitely did conduct a full review and he was the standout guy for his post.

It really is a mess.

Incredible 😂

[blackpoolhibs]

I know it's tempting fate, but he does look more assured as a keeper. :greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

I know it's tempting fate, but he does look more assured as a keeper. :greengrin

Hahahaha, WRONG. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Northernhibee]

It’s insane how bad our options are.

[GreenCastle]

Cheers David Marshall

[hibee1875]

Evidence if you ever needed it that a bad keeper/keepers will take you down

[Hibees1973]

I know it's tempting fate, but he does look more assured as a keeper. :greengrin

Blackpool....you will be remembered on hibs.net for this.

Same as the poster who said Jair Tavares would provide Hibs record transfer fee when sold. I won't name him, but he knows who he is.

[1875Sean]

Just the 2 goals down to him

[Unseen work]

😂😂😂😂😂 Jesus he is bad!

[Hibee Mac]

Goodness me, how is it possible for me of all people to be clamouring for Bursik to be back in the side.

David Gray, I completely understand why you've stuck with Bursik, please carry on.

First day of the January window we'd better have a new keeper. Disgraceful recruitment again to bring in two horrendous keepers. That position alone must have cost us 7+ points at least this season??

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[Trinity Hibee]

Release this joker now

[Vault Boy]

Hasn’t had a regular starting spot since playing for Nuneaton Town the season our current manager won the cup. Couldn’t get a game for Stockport Town. No **** he’s pony. Don’t know what we expected lol.

[K-Zazu]

Wow he is bad. Like WTF?

[Crutch]

Why isn't he being given a chance or being played in any reserve/development games?

He wasn't great against Kelty but is he really that bad?

Yes🤣

[Heisenberg]

I was convinced he simply couldn’t be worse than Bursik. How wrong I was

[Forza Fred]

Both Bursik and Smith were recruited within the reign of Malky Mackay

Both should be nowhere near the first team

Exactly what due diligence, if any was carried out on them before we signed them ?

[McGruber]

Why does Lovell keep saying he can't blame Smith for the third. Yeah good technique with the strike but jesus christ, right down the middle. Horrific

[HarpOnHibee]

Why isn't he being given a chance or being played in any reserve/development games?

He wasn't great against Kelty but is he really that bad?

There! You happy now?!?! :grr:


:greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

Has to be Boruc's go now?

[jeffers]

Why does Lovell keep saying he can't blame Smith for the third. Yeah good technique with the strike but jesus christ, right down the middle. Horrific

A competent keeper saves that imo.

[Hibees1973]

Both Bursik and Smith were recruited within the reign of Malky Mackay

Both should be nowhere near the first team

Exactly what due diligence, if any was carried out on them before we signed them ?

I don't think due diligence is a concept which has existed at Hibs for the last 4 years.

[blackpoolhibs]

A competent keeper saves that imo.
:agree:

[Unseen work]

I don’t think Smith even looks like a keeper, he just looks odd in some weird hard to describe way.

Looks small and like he’s won a competition.

Even how he kicks and throws the ball looks off.

Never mind his inability to catch a cross or save a shot right at him.

I thought the above about Bursik but this is next level.

Boruc at least looks like a keeper - his turn next

[Unseen work]

A competent keeper saves that imo.

A competent keeper catches it with relative ease

[sean04]

How has he not saved the 3rd? A snowman with a couple of twig arms would save that

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

He looks like an amateur keeper tbh. I only caught the last 20 mins though but he's very nearly cost us a point through his 2 **** ups

A huge problem to navigate to January with these 2 clowns

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Why does Lovell keep saying he can't blame Smith for the third. Yeah good technique with the strike but jesus christ, right down the middle. Horrific

Way over the top praise for their striker. He loves to talk up the opposition Lovell but that was utter nonsense. A fairly comfortable save

[Unseen work]

Thankfully we signed him on a 2 year deal

[ChuckNor]

Whoever signed Bursik and Smith has to be shown the door. Dreadful recruitment. Unforgivably poor.

[Del Boy]

Could he be the worst hibs goalie EVER?

[green day]

Whoever signed Bursik and Smith has to be shown the door. Dreadful recruitment. Unforgivably poor.

Craig Samson chose them apparently

[Northernhibee]

Could he be the worst hibs goalie EVER?

When I thought that he might offer tough competition for Bursik, it’s not exactly what I meant…

[worcesterhibby]

When I thought that he might offer tough competition for Bursik, it’s not exactly what I meant…

that would be hilarious if it wasn’t so tragic

[Tambo]

Sounds like he's had his chance and didn't tAke it, Boruc for Saturday?

[Famousfivehh]

Now we know why our poor first choice keeper retains his place each week.

[GreenCastle]

2 howlers in his chance game…

Sorry but it’s next..

Fans have been saying since day 1 both keepers woeful. I don’t rate Boruc too but it’s that bad we have to go 3rd choice.

[B.H.F.C]

Well, that’s why it’s taken him so long to get in the team. Brutal, can’t even kick the ball never mind catch it.

[DaveF]

The keeper selection for Saturday is now critical. There is now way Smith can play. He's amatuer level at best, which is probably a slight on a good number if amatuer keepers.

It probably has to be Bursik.

[ChuckNor]

Craig Samson chose them apparently

That is 100% not true.

[overdrive]

Surely there’s a better out of contract keeper we could sign now on a deal until the end of the season. Play until January and get a competent first choice keeper in then and the out of contract one becomes number 2.

Even if they’ve not played for a while would make no difference as both Bursik and Smith are as good as playing with no keeper.

[Onceinawhile]

Woeful. Was woeful at kelty and woeful tonight.

Too wee, can't kick the ball, poor decision making and rubbish at crosses. Apart from that though.

[Scotty Leither]

that would be hilarious if it wasn’t so tragic

The laddie Boruc was doing the sponsor’s presentation in Pioneers after the game.

He at least resembles a GK because he looks like he’s about 6’4” which should at least qualify him to be the next one to get a shot in goals. I’d give him the gloves until January until we can bring someone with decent pedigree and whoever brought the two imposters in should be nowhere near that process either.

[nickwhibs]

It’s hard to be negative on what was on the whole a good team performance, but he was really poor. Can’t play again. Would love Boruc to get a chance but think Gray will go back to Bursik. New keeper in Jan is an absolute must if we want to stay up.

[Smartie]

Should "Operation Appreciate Bursik" be considered a success then?

[GreenCastle]

Do we win that game if Bursik plays tonight ?

Smith seems a decent guy going by his interviews she he joins but just not what takes us forward. How he got a 2 year deal??

https://youtu.be/F_qFqUveGqk

https://youtu.be/8sNkPlqeijg

[Houston7]

I don’t think Smith even looks like a keeper, he just looks odd in some weird hard to describe way.

Looks small and like he’s won a competition.

Even how he kicks and throws the ball looks off.

Never mind his inability to catch a cross or save a shot right at him.

I thought the above about Bursik but this is next level.

Boruc at least looks like a keeper - his turn next

Did you think Conrad Logan looked like a Keeper? 😂

[Unseen work]

Did you think Conrad Logan looked like a Keeper? 😂

The level I play at you could see he looks like the perfect keeper 🤣

[Franck Stanton]

Smith is not the answer going forward, however, no matter how bad he is, he is still an upgrade on that complete imposter he is replacing.
We have a choose of dumb or dumber. Imo ,given the choice, I would take dumb over dumber every time. Then pray we can make it to Jan to replace them with a competent keeper.

[SHODAN]

There! You happy now?!?! :grr:


:greengrin

No! :grr:

[EGL2000]

I don’t think Smith even looks like a keeper, he just looks odd in some weird hard to describe way.

Looks small and like he’s won a competition.

Even how he kicks and throws the ball looks off.

Never mind his inability to catch a cross or save a shot right at him.

I thought the above about Bursik but this is next level.

Boruc at least looks like a keeper - his turn next


I was saying that as well. Almost looks like when an outfield player has to take a go in goals.

[Pretty Boy]

He reminded me of Tony Caig. A guy who just looked like he had no business as a pro keeper.

Everything he did just looked poor. One good save aside it was a nervy performance throughout with one absolute howler and one really should be saving that thrown in to cost us 2 points.

A desperate situation that needs addressed. Hopefully we have a keeper lined up and the papers can be signed, sealed and delivered the minute the window opens.

[overdrive]

I was saying that as well. Almost looks like when an outfield player has to take a go in goals.

We’d be better with an outfield player in goals than either of these two clowns.

[EGL2000]

You can see why he couldn't even get a game for Stockport!

[JohnM1875]

We've somehow managed to have the new worst keeper in the league, taking over from Bursik. Crazy.

[sean]

I was saying that as well. Almost looks like when an outfield player has to take a go in goals.


said the same tonight.

never ever seen anything like that and we have had some dross.

am I right in saying he was almost in the net trying to punch the ball from behind the line for the 3rd?

[Alfred E Newman]

He was fine until his calamity. Without a reliable keeper we are going to struggle to get out of this mess. Full marks to the team tonight though, at least they showed some fight and determination.

[Ribs1875]

Well back to the days reminiscent of zibbi & Brown. Mcneil and Makalambay. Smith and M Brown.

[Callum_62]

2nd and 3rd goals are shockers

Back to Bursik until January imo

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[Hibby70]

It looked as if we had a goalie sent off and had to put an outfield player in goals.

In hindsight we would have been better off doing that.

[JohnM1875]

2nd and 3rd goals are shockers

Back to Bursik until January imo

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Boruc deserves a turn in goals.

[hibeerealist]

That is 100% not true.


You ITK Chuck, so who is responsible for signing them?

[K-Zazu]

Can’t believe how small he looked

[Real Emerald]

It looked as if we had a goalie sent off and had to put an outfield player in goals.

In hindsight we would have been better off doing that.

It looked like he’d just finished his shift down the pit and went out with his work boots on.

[snedzuk]

He was fine until his calamity. Without a reliable keeper we are going to struggle to get out of this mess. Full marks to the team tonight though, at least they showed some fight and determination.

His calamity being their second? Because he did the same in the first half and got away with it.

[Postman]

What’s really concerning is the team we are level with at the bottom of the league have Clark to back up Gordon! Couldn’t be any further ahead of having these two fighting over the start!

[Criswell]

To go into a new season with the standard of goalkeepers that would embarrass the Dog and Duck is nothing short of criminal.

[lucky]

He is brutal and probably the even worse than the clown he replaced. How is he a professional footballer?

[blackpoolhibs]

He was fine until his calamity. Without a reliable keeper we are going to struggle to get out of this mess. Full marks to the team tonight though, at least they showed some fight and determination.
:agree:

Yet after that he cost us again with the 3rd goal, I could have saved that. I thought in the first half that he did everything well, kicked it long and came for the ball when needed.

To be fair, he didnt have much to do.

When he did though, he was awful, no wonder Gray hasnt played him up to now.

How bad must he think Boruc is if he cant get a game before the latest clown?:confused:

[Since452]

Mike Tyson threw better punches against Jake Paul. Incredible we got ourselves in this position with two hopeless keepers

[lyonhibs]

Diabolical, for me the 3rd is even worse than the 2nd. I'm not even sure the Zibi/Brown axis of crud were as woeful as Bursik/Smith.

January 2nd, 9am, a new goalie is needed in the door. Ideally one that can catch and not shrink backwards into his net

[Allant1981]

It was actually painful watching him taking a goal kick last night, struggled to make the halfway line, the cross in the first half where he flapped should have been the warning sign, if he isn't that good at coming for crosses then don't do it, let the defenders deal with it, boruc wont get a chance so unfortunately it needs to be bursik back in on Saturday. Sooner January comes the better and get them replaced

[Northernhibee]

Diabolical, for me the 3rd is even worse than the 2nd. I'm not even sure the Zibi/Brown axis of crud were as woeful as Bursik/Smith.

January 2nd, 9am, a new goalie is needed in the door. Ideally one that can catch and not shrink backwards into his net

Yep - as spectacular as the shot is, if he stands up to it it’s a fairly simple save. He makes himself shorter and it’s almost as if he forgets where the crossbar is, as he tries to palm it over but he’s too low down to be able to do that.


It’s horrendously poor.

[Winston Ingram]

Ye can see now why SDG was so reluctant to drop Bursik, knowing this was the alternative. Awful for the 2nd and the 3rd last night.

[JohnM1875]

Ye can see now why SDG was so reluctant to drop Bursik, knowing this was the alternative. Awful for the 2nd and the 3rd last night.

Feel a wee bit sorry for him. He's nowhere near the standard required and should never have been signed.

Was watching him after their second and he looked totally lost.

[Nicho87]

Did we just look in the phone book an pick any old smith

Graeme Smith was bad but for a home debut

Boy that was awful

[Shrekko]

Boruc deserves a turn in goals.

On the basis that he is not Bursik or Smith...? Or was it his spectacular performances for Arbroath that swayed you?

I think even bringing Smith in will ultimately prove to be a huge mistake despite how bad Bursik is.

I agree with those saying that whoever signed the 2 goalies this season should be sacked for gross incompetence.

[JohnM1875]

On the basis that he is not Bursik or Smith...? Or was it his spectacular performances for Arbroath that swayed you?

I think even bringing Smith in will ultimately prove to be a huge mistake despite how bad Bursik is.

I agree with those saying that whoever signed the 2 goalies this season should be sacked for gross incompetence.

Nope. Never seen him play for Arbroath. But I've seen him play for us and thought he looked better than the two that have played in front of him this season.

[overdrive]

Nope. Never seen him play for Arbroath. But I've seen him play for us and thought he looked better than the two that have played in front of him this season.

Surely at worst he's on a par with Smith ability-wise. His height will give him an advantage over Smith so at the very least he should be on the bench.

As I said previously, we should really be looking to get an out of contract keeper in now that's played at a decent level with a view to them playing until January at which point we sign a proper #1 and they revert to second choice.

We simply can't afford not to.

[Chorley Hibee]

Surely at worst he's on a par with Smith ability-wise. His height will give him an advantage over Smith so at the very least he should be on the bench.

As I said previously, we should really be looking to get an out of contract keeper in now that's played at a decent level with a view to them playing until January at which point we sign a proper #1 and they revert to second choice.

We simply can't afford not to.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spieler/vertragslosespieler/statistik/1/plus//galerie/0?ausrichtung=Torwart&spielerposition_id=alle&land_id=alle&altersklasse=&wettbewerb_id=alle&seit=alle&yt0=Show

There has to be someone on that list that we could bring in?

[Shrekko]

Surely at worst he's on a par with Smith ability-wise. His height will give him an advantage over Smith so at the very least he should be on the bench.

As I said previously, we should really be looking to get an out of contract keeper in now that's played at a decent level with a view to them playing until January at which point we sign a proper #1 and they revert to second choice.

We simply can't afford not to.

People guessing that Boruc should be as good as Smith and/or is bigger than him isn't really his 'deserving' his chance as JohnM1875 stated.

Truth is, Smith should not have played last night either as he's worse than Bursik- which management know already. If we continue with him we are utterly doomed.

[JohnM1875]

People guessing that Boruc should be as good as Smith and/or is bigger than him isn't really his 'deserving' his chance as JohnM1875 stated.

Truth is, Smith should not have played last night either as he's worse than Bursik- which management know already. If we continue with him we are utterly doomed.

I'm not guessing though. The games I've seen Boruc play for Hibs, in person, he's looked better than Smith and Bursik.

Bursik is better with the ball at his feet, I know that sounds ridiculous after the Dundee game and earlier blunders. But Boruc looks a decent keeper from the few games I've seen him play.

[Lago]

Why isn't he being given a chance or being played in any reserve/development games?

He wasn't great against Kelty but is he really that bad?
Doesn't even look like a goalie 😂

[hibsbollah]

I know stats aren’t everything, but save % over a whole season tells you a lot. Big sample size. Best in Scotland last season were Roos at Aberdeen who left to join a club in Italy, Will Dennis at kilmarnock and Mitov at St johnstone. The eye test seemed to back up the stats, i remember thinking Dennis and Mitov looked the best keepers id seen at ER and i wish we had them. Obviously Aberdeen invested in Mitov when Roos left and is doing well by all accounts this season, and the obvious candidate for us for a proven commodity especially with the bournemouth connection, was Dennis. But it hasn’t happened.

By comparison, arguing about Bursik vsSmith vs Boruc is bald man amd comb territory really.

[GreenPJ]

People guessing that Boruc should be as good as Smith and/or is bigger than him isn't really his 'deserving' his chance as JohnM1875 stated.

Truth is, Smith should not have played last night either as he's worse than Bursik- which management know already. If we continue with him we are utterly doomed.

He simply cannot start (or even be on the bench) for us again. His positional sense and complete lack of command is not going to suddenly resolve itself - he looked like a rabbit in the headlights all night. How his signing could ever have been sanctioned is beyond me - based on his age he wasn't suddenly going to get better.

Bursic or Boric on Saturday and the new recruitment guy needs to find a keeper asap - ideally it would be a free agent to allow them to come in earlier than Jan but if not it needs to be first week in Jan.

[Walter]

Can we not recall Murray Johnson ?
What's Matt Macey up to these days ?

[EGL2000]

Can we not recall Murray Johnson ?
What's Matt Macey up to these days ?

I've also been impressed with Murray Johnson when I've seen him.

[Hiber-nation]

Can we not recall Murray Johnson ?
What's Matt Macey up to these days ?

Johnson can't get a game for Airdrie.

Macey plays for Colchester.

We need to just get Bursik back in and ride it out till January assuming that we have a good quality loanee ready to go for 2 January (haha).

[The Baldmans Comb]

Gray is writing his own death warrant as it matters not a jot who scouted these two clowns or even who got them to sign on the dotted line.

Obviously Marshall and Samson would have been in on all the discussions led by Mackay but Gray is the manager and to allow this situation to accumulate when it's incredibly obvious how bad the back up goalie performs is a complete dereliction of responsibility.

[Centre Hawf]

Johnson can't get a game for Airdrie.

Macey plays for Colchester.

We need to just get Bursik back in and ride it out till January assuming that we have a good quality loanee ready to go for 2 January (haha).

To be fair to Johnson he's played 11 out of 14 league games so far and was dropped for the last three. Not saying I'd have him in currently but he's doing what we need at the moment which is learning the trials and tribulations of senior football.

[Since452]

Can we not recall Murray Johnson ?
What's Matt Macey up to these days ?

Macey is levels above these jokers. What id give to have him back in goal.

[overdrive]

Can we not recall Murray Johnson ?
What's Matt Macey up to these days ?

We can't recall him until January at the earliest as it is outside of the transfer window so we couldn't register him and even then it would depend what the deal agreed with Airdrie was whether we have a clause that allows a January recall.

[HIBS NUTS]

why isn't he being given a chance or being played in any reserve/development games?

He wasn't great against kelty but is he really that bad?
yes🤣

[Winston Ingram]

Feel a wee bit sorry for him. He's nowhere near the standard required and should never have been signed.

Was watching him after their second and he looked totally lost.

Totally agree. Baffling how anyone can look at his CV and give him a deal.

[Winston Ingram]

Keylor Navas is without a club����

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spieler/vertragslosespieler/statistik/1/plus//galerie/0?ausrichtung=alle&spielerposition_id=1&land_id=alle&altersklasse=&wettbewerb_id=alle&seit=alle&yt0=Show

[Edinburgh Green]

A truly awful keeper, everything about him looked poor. He put so much effort into his goal kicks and they were only just getting over the halfway line. :faf:

[darwenhibby]

Darren Jackson would be a better choice than these 2

[expresso]

I was saying that as well. Almost looks like when an outfield player has to take a go in goals.

That describes him perfectly

[JimBHibees]

It looked like he’d just finished his shift down the pit and went out with his work boots on.

:faf:

[007]

Here he is after Samson went through a re-run of the game with him.

https://i.ibb.co/NKzmGqF/1-s2-0-S0165587621000082-gr1.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[lyonhibs]

He reminded me of Tony Caig. A guy who just looked like he had no business as a pro keeper.

Everything he did just looked poor. One good save aside it was a nervy performance throughout with one absolute howler and one really should be saving that thrown in to cost us 2 points.

A desperate situation that needs addressed. Hopefully we have a keeper lined up and the papers can be signed, sealed and delivered the minute the window opens.

Tony Craig, dear Jesus, Mary and the wee donkey. He was an affront to anyone who's ever put on a pair of goalie gloves.

Made Zibi look like peak Buffon (except against Hearts)

[LaMotta]

Ok Smith was ropey on Wednesday, but I've felt way more comfortable watching him today than I have watching Bursik all season. Some decent kicking as well setting us up for attacks.

[SHODAN]

Did fine today.

[Smartie]

Ok Smith was ropey on Wednesday, but I've felt way more comfortable watching him today than I have watching Bursik all season. Some decent kicking as well setting us up for attacks.

He could definitely go down an excuse route re the other night if he wanted to - either rustiness having played so little football in recent years, or adapting to playing at a higher level than he has before.

As regards the other night - you could definitely put the flapped cross to either of those and their third was certainly a clean strike.

Irrespective of all of that - to come back from it a few days later with a strong performance shows a decent bit of grit. I’m pretty chuffed for him. It can’t be exactly easy to be a Hibs goalkeeper right now so playing a role in a clean sheet and win should mean he can be happy with his work tonight.

[superfurryhibby]

Well done Jordan Smith, keep it up and make the no 1 spot your own

[Unseen work]

Spilled one cross and other than that never had a huge amount to do which I think is key

Hard to judge him on today but well done for the clean sheet

Huge test for him against Celtic

[Since452]

Clean sheet always deserves a well done.

[Northernhibee]

Adam Bogdan looked awful in his first few games for us. Think he keeps the gloves and we see where this run takes him.

[LaMotta]

He could definitely go down an excuse route re the other night if he wanted to - either rustiness having played so little football in recent years, or adapting to playing at a higher level than he has before.

As regards the other night - you could definitely put the flapped cross to either of those and their third was certainly a clean strike.

Irrespective of all of that - to come back from it a few days later with a strong performance shows a decent bit of grit. I’m pretty chuffed for him. It can’t be exactly easy to be a Hibs goalkeeper right now so playing a role in a clean sheet and win should mean he can be happy with his work tonight.

:agree:

[1875Sean]

Adam Bogdan looked awful in his first few games for us. Think he keeps the gloves and we see where this run takes him.

Bit off topic but noticed a lot of comments around Bogdan, he was a good keeper but was he not on the bench more in his time at Hibs rather than playing? Mainly number 2 to Rocky?

[JohnM1875]

Clean sheet, made saves, came for crosses and his kicking was much better. Well done, Smith.

[HoboHarry]

Adam Bogdan looked awful in his first few games for us. Think he keeps the gloves and we see where this run takes him.

Exactly how I remember it, wobbly start but came good.

[IanM]

Just watching the highlights - his ball to Gayle for the 3rd.. more of that, pls

[hibee1875]

Always felt Bursik was slowing the play down but Smith seems to get the ball out faster which helps us get going before they have a time to set their defence up

[Keepthefaith]

Just watching the highlights - his ball to Gayle for the 3rd.. more of that, pls

watching it at the time, it did seem like he fluked it tbh! messed up one cross and was lucky there wasn't a Motherwell player in front of him to knock it in, but happy to take the clean sheet regardless. still need a new keeper in January for sure.

[JimBHibees]

Just watching the highlights - his ball to Gayle for the 3rd.. more of that, pls

Not just a punt Gayle did well to make something of

[IanM]

Not just a punt Gayle did well to make something of

As did Josh 👏🏻

[IanM]

watching it at the time, it did seem like he fluked it tbh! messed up one cross and was lucky there wasn't a Motherwell player in front of him to knock it in, but happy to take the clean sheet regardless. still need a new keeper in January for sure.

You may be right, and we do.. yet to really see him make a string of saves but I’ll give him the benefit of doubt with the ball out yesterday

[The Spaceman]

Always felt Bursik was slowing the play down but Smith seems to get the ball out faster which helps us get going before they have a time to set their defence up

Absolutely did my head in, as whenever teams attacked us he’d get the ball and just hold onto it/give the opposition loads of time to get back into shape down the pitch.

[JimBHibees]

As did Josh 👏🏻

Absolutely 👍

[erin go bragh]

Bit off topic but noticed a lot of comments around Bogdan, he was a good keeper but was he not on the bench more in his time at Hibs rather than playing? Mainly number 2 to Rocky?

Replaced an injured Rocky and kept the gloves until he got injured.
Very good keeper.

[Northernhibee]

Replaced an injured Rocky and kept the gloves until he got injured.
Very good keeper.

Lovely guy too and still speaks fondly of his time at Hibs.

[stu in nottingham]

He could definitely go down an excuse route re the other night if he wanted to - either rustiness having played so little football in recent years, or adapting to playing at a higher level than he has before.

As regards the other night - you could definitely put the flapped cross to either of those and their third was certainly a clean strike.

Irrespective of all of that - to come back from it a few days later with a strong performance shows a decent bit of grit. I’m pretty chuffed for him. It can’t be exactly easy to be a Hibs goalkeeper right now so playing a role in a clean sheet and win should mean he can be happy with his work tonight.

Not recently but he's played around 50 times for Nottingham Forest, mainly in the English Championship I think.

A problem for him was that he stuck around the club for so long without getting too much of a look in as Forest signed expensive goalie after goalie and also ran with three keepers at the club. General opinion was that he was a good back-up keeper at that level. He also saved Forest from relegation to League Two on one notable occasion with a couple of wonder saves. I think he's probably better than he has shown so far at Hibs but he really needs games.

[Smartie]

Not recently but he's played around 50 times for Nottingham Forest, mainly in the English Championship I think.

A problem for him was that he stuck around the club for so long without getting too much of a look in as Forest signed expensive goalie after goalie and also ran with three keepers at the club. General opinion was that he was a good back-up keeper at that level. He also saved Forest from relegation to League Two on one notable occasion with a couple of wonder saves. I think he's probably better than he has shown so far at Hibs but he really needs games.

Funnily enough I’ve just had a look at his wiki page… the fact that he’d been at Forest for so long and had played a decent number of games for them had totally passed me by.

I knew he’d been a second choice at Stockport (a decent Stockport team tbf) and that he’d played some non league but I had no idea about the Forest bit.

It does surprise me a bit tbf - mainly because whenever I watch Championship or league 1 football there does seem to be a huge importance played on physical attributes and characteristics. Smith doesn’t seem to have the size, strength or imposing physical appearance that would go with playing in goal for an English club in the top few leagues there. Somebody cruelly said at the Aberdeen game that he looks a bit like somebody’s dad has come along for a game to help out - whilst that’s both extreme and unfair, I sort of get the point.

Anyway - delighted he had a good game yesterday. Long may it continue.

And maybe we’ve got him wrong? Maybe rather than a “career number 2/3” he’s been chomping at the bit to get a first team opportunity - and he’s now got one?

[expresso]

Certainly looks more the part after a haircut and beard trim lol

[LaMotta]

Certainly looks more the part after a haircut and beard trim lol

hahaha - thought the same!

[Dashing Bob S]

Let’s not make fools of ourselves and pretend that either of our goalkeepers are good enough. A safer pair of hands between the sticks is essential. The confidence of the defence hinges on this. I’d make it priority, even ahead of assertive midfield leader and striker at Christmas.

[WeAreHibs]

Was he still wearing Chelsea boots?

[Lago]

Let’s not make fools of ourselves and pretend that either of our goalkeepers are good enough. A safer pair of hands between the sticks is essential. The confidence of the defence hinges on this. I’d make it priority, even ahead of assertive midfield leader and striker at Christmas.
👍

[Unseen work]

Was he still wearing Chelsea boots?

Was doc martins yesterday

[stu in nottingham]

Funnily enough I’ve just had a look at his wiki page… the fact that he’d been at Forest for so long and had played a decent number of games for them had totally passed me by.

I knew he’d been a second choice at Stockport (a decent Stockport team tbf) and that he’d played some non league but I had no idea about the Forest bit.

It does surprise me a bit tbf - mainly because whenever I watch Championship or league 1 football there does seem to be a huge importance played on physical attributes and characteristics. Smith doesn’t seem to have the size, strength or imposing physical appearance that would go with playing in goal for an English club in the top few leagues there. Somebody cruelly said at the Aberdeen game that he looks a bit like somebody’s dad has come along for a game to help out - whilst that’s both extreme and unfair, I sort of get the point.

Anyway - delighted he had a good game yesterday. Long may it continue.

And maybe we’ve got him wrong? Maybe rather than a “career number 2/3” he’s been chomping at the bit to get a first team opportunity - and he’s now got one?

Yes, he was with Forest for over 20 years, signing as a schoolboy for his local-ish club's academy. I think he made the mistake of staying there too long because I don't feel he was ever going to come back as a first choice after being loaned here and there. Stockport have money and I'm guessing are well covered in the keeper position. He's still 29 so has a few years to impose himself somewhere.

I've watched him play for Forest and he was actually pretty decent. General concensus among fans would be that he's a steady enough shot-stopper but that his distribution whilst playing as a sweeper-keeper could improve. Maybe could be a bit better at commanding his area. He is actually 6ft 1in but perhaps isn't as strongly-built as some goalies, quite athletic though.

The game against Aberdeen was always going to be a problem for him. He'd doubtless have been a bit nervous with the spotlight on the goalie position at Hibs and with such a lack of games and that certainly came to pass.I do think a few games will improve him if given the chance. He's not necessarily the answer to Hibs goalkeeper ills but I feel he can do a job through to January and see where that takes him and Hibs.

[Jock O]

Good to see him come out and be interviewed too, hopefully shows he has some confidence and more than it looked on pitch, which will also grow as time goes on, assuming he improves each game.

Fascinating stuff re the Nottm Forest too, again, raises hopes, slightly, there is a goalie in there bursting to come out.

[Jock O]

Certainly looks more the part after a haircut and beard trim lol

He obviously didn't know he was playing v Aberdeen till just before the game :greengrin:greengrin

[cubehindthegoal]

Huge test for him against Celtic

Could be a good thing however it pans out.

But I wish him all the luck we can find him.

[cubehindthegoal]

Good to see him come out and be interviewed too, hopefully shows he has some confidence and more than it looked on pitch, which will also grow as time goes on, assuming he improves each game.

Fascinating stuff re the Nottm Forest too, again, raises hopes, slightly, there is a goalie in there bursting to come out.

Deliberate decision to send him out I would guess, and a good decision I would say. Best of luck to the lad.

[Centre Hawf]

Deliberate decision to send him out I would guess, and a good decision I would say. Best of luck to the lad.

I imagine he's our keeper moving forward now and him being interviewed might be to try and get us to buy into him a bit more than we all have so far, which worked if so as I thought he spoke really well and was impressed.

I wonder if Bursiks loan is going to be ripped up in January?

[cubehindthegoal]

I imagine he's our keeper moving forward now and him being interviewed might be to try and get us to buy into him a bit more than we all have so far, which worked if so as I thought he spoke really well and was impressed.

I wonder if Bursiks loan is going to be ripped up in January?

I would think yes it will be … but we also bring in a goalie that improves us .. not easy though … who finds and recommends another goalie is the key. Up to Jordan to now show he can get to the level that anyone coming in won’t just step in to the position. Onwards and upwards for us all hopefully.

[Centre Hawf]

I would think yes it will be … but we also bring in a goalie that improves us .. not easy though … who finds and recommends another goalie is the key. Up to Jordan to now show he can get to the level that anyone coming in won’t just step in to the position. Onwards and upwards for us all hopefully.

Agree. Would like to see us to get a new proper number one keeper and send Bursik back either way in January.

I don't imagine Smith will be a long term answer but he is ours and we'll need to find out either way if he can polish himself up into a starting keeper for us or even be an acceptable number 2 that we can bring in when needed. It's been a rough start for him as well but maybe come mid January he might have changed some of our minds.

[cubehindthegoal]

Agree. Would like to see us to get a new proper number one keeper and send Bursik back either way in January.

I don't imagine Smith will be a long term answer but he is ours and we'll need to find out either way if he can polish himself up into a starting keeper for us or even be an acceptable number 2 that we can bring in when needed. It's been a rough start for him as well but maybe come mid January he might have changed some of our minds.

If there were emojis here, I’d do the thumbs up and fingers crossed.

[1875Sean]

Replaced an injured Rocky and kept the gloves until he got injured.
Very good keeper.

He didn’t tho, he got injured and then there was plenty of appearances on the bench when Rocky got his place back

https://www.flashscore.com/player/bogdan-adam/Eaz4EAXu/

[Centre Hawf]

He didn’t tho, he got injured and then there was plenty of appearances on the bench when Rocky got his place back

https://www.flashscore.com/player/bogdan-adam/Eaz4EAXu/

If memory serves me right Bogdan was the starter from the first Asteras game (he had an absolute mare then quickly recovered) until he got a really bad concussion away to Elgin and I think that with Marciano coming back in meant he struggled to get his place back. I think had he never got concussed he'd have probably kept his place to be honest.

[Unseen work]

Liked his post match interview.

Glad he got a clean sheet.

Hopefully improves going forward and gets match sharp again. For as much as we can pick faults in his game, we need to remember how little football he’s played

Will take a minute for the confidence etc to come back

[JimBHibees]

If memory serves me right Bogdan was the starter from the first Asteras game (he had an absolute mare then quickly recovered) until he got a really bad concussion away to Elgin and I think that with Marciano coming back in meant he struggled to get his place back. I think had he never got concussed he'd have probably kept his place to be honest.

Was home to Elgin in the cup. Guy should have been sent off. Might be wrong but think it was maybe the guy who tried to break Doidges leg up there and was done for betting. Whatever it was an awful challenge on Bogdan

[HIBS NUTS]

Delighted he got a clean sheet, but he was not put under any pressure, by a very bad Motherwell performance.
It will be a very different game next weekend.
Im not confident he will step up.

[Gruff]

Delighted he got a clean sheet, but he was not put under any pressure, by a very bad Motherwell performance.
It will be a very different game next weekend.
Im not confident he will step up.

The issue is when Celtic are on their game, no one in this league can live with them. Smith will have to have a 100% concentration for the full game as will the rest of the team, as the majority of the game will no doubt be in our half.
The pressure from the KO will be relentless.
I'm in no doubt we'll get beat by probably one of the best Celtic sides in a while, but if we can keep it difficult for them and keep our shape, and if we are clinical with any breaks we do get, then there is always that sliver of hope :agree:

[blackpoolhibs]

I think he's hopeless, he had virtually nothing to do on saturday that I couldnt have done.

Shots on target and balls into his 6 yard box will show him for what he is, a very poor keeper.

I dont think for one minute he will save us next week, but after that we need to protect him as well as we did on Saturday.

And the last thing we need is another dodgy pish poor keeper in a derby, but we have two of them, both give me the fear.

January cant come quickly enough.

[flash]

I think he's hopeless, he had virtually nothing to do on saturday that I couldnt have done.

Shots on target and balls into his 6 yard box will show him for what he is, a very poor keeper.

I dont think for one minute he will save us next week, but after that we need to protect him as well as we did on Saturday.

And the last thing we need is another dodgy pish poor keeper in a derby, but we have two of them, both give me the fear.

January cant come quickly enough.

Pleased for the guy on a human level to come in and get a clean sheet but he still gives me the absolute fear. As you say the credit for Saturday goes to the defence for giving him such great protection.

[JimBHibees]

Not recently but he's played around 50 times for Nottingham Forest, mainly in the English Championship I think.

A problem for him was that he stuck around the club for so long without getting too much of a look in as Forest signed expensive goalie after goalie and also ran with three keepers at the club. General opinion was that he was a good back-up keeper at that level. He also saved Forest from relegation to League Two on one notable occasion with a couple of wonder saves. I think he's probably better than he has shown so far at Hibs but he really needs games.

Didn’t realise that he had played at that level and looking at some of the comments here thought he played for the Dog and Duck😄 No idea if he is good enough going forward but was fine on Saturday

[Donegal Hibby]

Thought he spoke well in his post match interview ..

https://youtu.be/Xs81TIkq4gg?si=3lYVS5bbrsN8TcSJ

[stu in nottingham]

Didn’t realise that he had played at that level and looking at some of the comments here thought he played for the Dog and Duck�� No idea if he is good enough going forward but was fine on Saturday

It's not recent, it has to be said,but this is a little of what he can do.

The video is available, just click on YouTube. Recommend playing without the music!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K45aMj1IXdA&ab_channel=MarkerStag1897

[superfurryhibby]

It's not recent, it has to be said,but this is a little of what he can do.

The video is available, just click on YouTube. Recommend playing without the music!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K45aMj1IXdA&ab_channel=MarkerStag1897

Sign him up now :greengrin

[LaMotta]

It's not recent, it has to be said,but this is a little of what he can do.

The video is available, just click on YouTube. Recommend playing without the music!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K45aMj1IXdA&ab_channel=MarkerStag1897

Some really good saves in there. Bursik must never play for us again, his mistakes v Celtic and Dundee that cost us goals are as bad as any mistakes a keeper has ever made for Hibs. On that basis Smith should keep the gloves until at least the transfer window.

[hibsbollah]

Not recently but he's played around 50 times for Nottingham Forest, mainly in the English Championship I think.

A problem for him was that he stuck around the club for so long without getting too much of a look in as Forest signed expensive goalie after goalie and also ran with three keepers at the club. General opinion was that he was a good back-up keeper at that level. He also saved Forest from relegation to League Two on one notable occasion with a couple of wonder saves. I think he's probably better than he has shown so far at Hibs but he really needs games.

My worry with that is he got the bulk of his games a good long time ago now, 2017. As you say one legendary (Conrad logan-esque?) performance saving Forest from relegation. Since then he's barely played first team football. I'm a happy clapper type and will get behind whoever has the gloves, but it still feels like a dice roll. I'd feel much happier with someone who has plenty games under his belt.

Edit-That triple save against QPR in the video was a bit special, to be fair!

[heid the baw]

His kicking and distribution is better than Bursik. While he still might make mistakes, that alone should put him ahead of Bursik who's distribution was woeful

[allmodcons]

Bursik and Smith are terrible goalkeepers.

Bursik has zero awareness of what is going on around him, doesn’t command his area and, in general terms, fails to inspire.

Smith has zero awareness of what is going on around him, doesn’t command his area and, in general terms, fails to inspire.

I’d hate to be playing in front of either of these duds.

Without a ‘steady’ goalkeeper we are in serious danger of going down.

Priority in January has to be a decent keeper.

[K-Zazu]

Bursik and Smith are terrible goalkeepers.

Bursik has zero awareness of what is going on around him, doesn’t command his area and, in general terms, fails to inspire.

Smith has zero awareness of what is going on around him, doesn’t command his area and, in general terms, fails to inspire.

I’d hate to be playing in front of either of these duds.

Without a ‘steady’ goalkeeper we are in serious danger of going down.

Priority in January has to be a decent keeper.

This. They both give me the absolute fear.

[Gmack7]

Our newly appointed head of recruitments first job is to find a keeper, if we don't get Will Dennis in early I'd guess it won't be him

[davhibby]

Some really good saves in there. Bursik must never play for us again, his mistakes v Celtic and Dundee that cost us goals are as bad as any mistakes a keeper has ever made for Hibs. On that basis Smith should keep the gloves until at least the transfer window.

I’d feel much more confident with Bursik in goals than Smith. Smith has made the exact same mistake as you refer to in both games he’s played this week - he’s just got lucky that they didn’t cost us. He’s sadly absolutely nailed on to be at fault for multiple goals on Saturday which will put us straight back to square one. Bursik is at least capable of making some good saves and for example kept us in the game at Ibrox earlier in the season - I’ve seen nothing from Smith to suggest similar

[LaMotta]

I’d feel much more confident with Bursik in goals than Smith. Smith has made the exact same mistake as you refer to in both games he’s played this week - he’s just got lucky that they didn’t cost us. He’s sadly absolutely nailed on to be at fault for multiple goals on Saturday which will put us straight back to square one. Bursik is at least capable of making some good saves and for example kept us in the game at Ibrox earlier in the season - I’ve seen nothing from Smith to suggest similar

No he's not?

[snedzuk]

Falkirk keeper looked quite handy last night and he played them in quickly a few times.

[Unseen work]

https://youtu.be/nOhQuAr6KPc?si=ngSGPGFmaPh8EWaN

The different a half decent keeper makes.

Couple of good saves in there which keeps them in the game and prevents it being a hiding

Sure Josh Rae was really highly rated at Airdrie

[Unseen work]

Some really good saves today

Well done

[HIBS NUTS]

Some really good saves today

Well done
He was excellent today.

[JohnM1875]

Some really good saves today

Well done

Yup, made some really good saves.

Genuinely looks like a totally different player to the Aberdeen game. Must have been nerves or something? Cause he looks a decent shot stopper.

[A Hi-Bee]

Yup, made some really good saves.

Genuinely looks like a totally different player to the Aberdeen game. Must have been nerves or something? Cause he looks a decent shot stopper.

Good to hear, that other one must be sent back to Belgium or wherever we got him from.

[SHODAN]

Seems to have stabilised after his haircut.

[Pretty Boy]

He was ropey as anything against Aberdeen but has done well in the 2 games since.

Still a position that needs urgently addressed in January but in the short term he looks the better option than Bursik so the decision to change has been a positive one.

[SteveHFC]

Made some good saves today.

[LaMotta]

I’d feel much more confident with Bursik in goals than Smith. Smith has made the exact same mistake as you refer to in both games he’s played this week - he’s just got lucky that they didn’t cost us. He’s sadly absolutely nailed on to be at fault for multiple goals on Saturday which will put us straight back to square one. Bursik is at least capable of making some good saves and for example kept us in the game at Ibrox earlier in the season - I’ve seen nothing from Smith to suggest similar

You got this one totally wrong.

[He's here!]

He was ropey as anything against Aberdeen but has done well in the 2 games since.

Still a position that needs urgently addressed in January but in the short term he looks the better option than Bursik so the decision to change has been a positive one.

A lot of the feedback I've seen from Forest fans is generally favourable. Do you not think he might have a chance with us long-term if he continues to rebuild his confidence?

[hibsbollah]

Seems to have stabilised after his haircut.

:agree: hes like a reverse Samson. All we need is to make him go to the barber twice a week and he’ll be the next Yashin.

[stu in nottingham]

A lot of the feedback I've seen from Forest fans is generally favourable. Do you not think he might have a chance with us long-term if he continues to rebuild his confidence?

I had a drink with two Forest fans last night and their thoughts were that they really like Jordan Smith and felt he didn't get much of a chance at times.

Such is the nature of football nowadays that players can be judged after as little as one game. We have to look at the reality of the situation though in that Jordan Smith had not played for a long time and there was a huge amount of pressure on him after the previous keeper's various clangers when he came into the team against Aberdeen. What followed was a patchy, to say the least, performance although it was noticable he did not offer those reasons as an excuse but simply got his head down and improved in the next game. What followed yesterday was a very good and sound performance in my humble opinion.

Understandably, people are saying he'll maybe do until Hibs can get someone else in. He needs more games and don't be surprised if he wins a lot more people over with his performances though, and becomes the goalie that Hibs need. That performance yesterday was a heck of a lot more like the times I've seen him playing well for Nottingham Forest in the English Championship.

[JohnM1875]

I had a drink with two Forest fans last night and their thoughts were that they really like Jordan Smith and felt he didn't get much of a chance at times.

Such is the nature of football nowadays that players can be judged after as little as one game. We have to look at the reality of the situation though in that Jordan Smith had not played for a long time and there was a huge amount of pressure on him after the previous keeper's various clangers when he came into the team against Aberdeen. What followed was a patchy, to say the least, performance although it was noticable he did not offer those reasons as an excuse but simply got his head down and improved in the next game. What followed yesterday was a very good and sound performance in my humble opinion.

Understandably, people are saying he'll maybe do until Hibs can get someone else in. He needs more games and don't be surprised if he wins a lot more people over with his performances though, and becomes the goalie that Hibs need. That performance yesterday was a heck of a lot more like the times I've seen him playing well for Nottingham Forest in the English Championship.

I thought he was different class yesterday. If he plays that like every week we’ll struggle to find a better keeper on our budget.

Made some great saves and closed down angles and attackers really well. Hope he keeps the levels up going forward.

[stu in nottingham]

I thought he was different class yesterday. If he plays that like every week we’ll struggle to find a better keeper on our budget.

Made some great saves and closed down angles and attackers really well. Hope he keeps the levels up going forward.

I agree with you on both points. Hibs clearly need to bring a second decent keeper in, in January but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Jordan become a reliable first choice keeper for Hibs.

[B.H.F.C]

He had a good game yesterday, couldn’t have done anything about the goals. 3 or 4 really good saves. Hopefully he can just get us through to January without any major blunders.

[McGruber]

He had a very good game yesterday. He did make one fumble from a cross that if it had resulted in a goal would have went down as a bad keeper error. As it was he made a smart save to redeem himself. Much improved from Aberdeen but needs to cut out the fumbles - had one v Motherwell too but got away with it.

[HoboHarry]

He had a very good game yesterday. He did make one fumble from a cross that if it had resulted in a goal would have went down as a bad keeper error. As it was he made a smart save to redeem himself. Much improved from Aberdeen but needs to cut out the fumbles - had one v Motherwell too but got away with it.

Every keeper everywhere makes fumbles, the better ones just make less of them.

[Donegal Hibby]

He had a very good game yesterday. He did make one fumble from a cross that if it had resulted in a goal would have went down as a bad keeper error. As it was he made a smart save to redeem himself. Much improved from Aberdeen but needs to cut out the fumbles - had one v Motherwell too but got away with it.

Is that the one he made the save from scales ?

[McGruber]

Is that the one he made the save from scales ?

Think it was

[Donegal Hibby]

Think it was

Was the incident in question a fumble? . I actually thought when the ball came across he could just barely get a hand to it , he could have let it go but he couldn’t take the chance on who was coming in behind him , just unfortunate it landed at Scales as it could easily have landed at a Hibs player too , his reaction to it and other situations was very good though…

One of the things I liked about Smith too was the incident where Miller was trying to block the ball and ended up on the ground , both players acknowledged there efforts when the ball went out in a “ well done you “ moment. Even when Newell was unfortunate in scoring the own goal again Smith reacted by going to him right away..

Been impressed with Smith so far not only for his goalkeeping but also for the character he’s been showing too . I’ve been saying for awhile now that I think there’s a good togetherness amongst the players .

[BILLYHIBS]

Was ok on Saturday flapped at one but recovered

[itslegaltender]

on the highlights I saw, he done ok, one decent save, the rest you would be concerned that a professional Premier Keeper couldnt save. I know we are looking for green shoots here, but I think he is well below level we need. Him and Bursik need to be let go first chance we have.

[Paulie Walnuts]

on the highlights I saw, he done ok, one decent save, the rest you would be concerned that a professional Premier Keeper couldnt save. I know we are looking for green shoots here, but I think he is well below level we need. Him and Bursik need to be let go first chance we have.

I don’t think there’s any doubting we need to sign a keeper better than both of them. Hes been an improvement on Bursik though and Grays insistence to keep Bursik in the team for so long is a huge part of the reason we find ourselves where we are.

[Since452]

He's better than Bursik. I'm glad that is finally over.

[Unseen work]

I said early on that whilst I’m not sure about his actual handling and all round play, there’s a highlights reel of him making actual saves.

We’ve saw that in a couple of games now, more than can be said for Bursik.

It’s really important to have a goalie that can win you points in this league

[Greenio]

The redemption of Jordan Smith

Written off my tons on here after 90mins of football.

Wheres all the 'Ill be first to admit... ' folk then? Lets be avin ya

[007]

The redemption of Jordan Smith

Written off my tons on here after 90mins of football.

Wheres all the 'Ill be first to admit... ' folk then? Lets be avin ya

We write players off after 1 game but need 15-20 games at least before writing them back on......then write them off again 1 game later. 😀

[Unseen work]

Played well again today

Brilliant save which lead to the corner where the scored

There was another good save from distance too

Well done Jordan

[Pretty Boy]

I wish he would just stay on his line at corners. Came for about 4 today and got nowhere near any of them.

Made some very good saves and his distribution was good as well. Stick to what he is good at and let the defence try to deal with crosses.

[blackpoolhibs]

never missed anything he shouldnt have, and flapped at most crosses he went for. Replace in Jan please.

[richard_pitts]

I wish he would just stay on his line at corners. Came for about 4 today and got nowhere near any of them.

Made some very good saves and his distribution was good as well. Stick to what he is good at and let the defence try to deal with crosses.

He kept us in the game first 15 minutes

[cameronw-hfc]

never missed anything he shouldnt have, and flapped at most crosses he went for. Replace in Jan please.


The one on one save early on was excellent to be fair

[wookie70]

I wish he would just stay on his line at corners. Came for about 4 today and got nowhere near any of them.

Made some very good saves and his distribution was good as well. Stick to what he is good at and let the defence try to deal with crosses.

That would be my thoughts too. One of the worst I have seen when the ball is stuck on top of him but does well enough with shot stopping. I think he is simply too small to have the goalkeeper advantage at cross balls. An improvement over the last glove filler though

[Pretty Boy]

That would be my thoughts too. One of the worst I have seen when the ball is stuck on top of him but does well enough with shot stopping. I think he is simply too small to have the goalkeeper advantage at cross balls. An improvement over the last glove filler though

A definite improvement.

It would still be top priority for me in January though.

[Hiber-nation]

Deserves credit from bouncing back after the Aberdeen fiasco but has to be replaced in January.

[wookie70]

A definite improvement.

It would still be top priority for me in January though. Me too. Number one signing priority imo filled by a centre forward that can score and hold the ball up.

[Northernhibee]

Would be happy with him being backup goalie.

[SHODAN]

Should have been given POTM.

[Hibee Mac]

He has been a marked improvement over that huddie we had in goals before him.

Fair play to him he's stepped up when we need it the last few games. It has made a big difference having someone who can actually save a shot playing in goals (who would have thought??).

All that being said, he is not the answer long term and a first choice goalkeeper should still be right at the top of our list of requirements in January.

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[GreenCastle]

Today was first time I felt the ball was going in and he made a good save to keep it out.

He made a few in first half I felt were goals and just not sure Bursik would have made them.

He’s improved us in that department after a wobbly start.

We do still need better but maybe as a back up he wouldn’t be the worst option.

Anyway hope he stays solid till the window opens. Well done to him today.

[LaMotta]

I wish he would just stay on his line at corners. Came for about 4 today and got nowhere near any of them.

Made some very good saves and his distribution was good as well. Stick to what he is good at and let the defence try to deal with crosses.


That would be my thoughts too. One of the worst I have seen when the ball is stuck on top of him but does well enough with shot stopping. I think he is simply too small to have the goalkeeper advantage at cross balls. An improvement over the last glove filler though

:agree::agree:

Goram was hopeless at crosses, once he learnt to leave them to his defence he got much much better.

[hibsbollah]

That would be my thoughts too. One of the worst I have seen when the ball is stuck on top of him but does well enough with shot stopping. I think he is simply too small to have the goalkeeper advantage at cross balls. An improvement over the last glove filler though

He’s 6’1 so basically average height for a keeper. Coming for crosses is more about timing and coordination so i dont think if he was 6’6’ he’s suddenly making great takes. Hes just better at shot stopping and thats his strength. Leave the crosses to Rocky and O’Hora.

[GreenPJ]

He has done OK from a terrible start but the reality is he is nowhere where we need to be from a keeper. Twice in the second half I am sure I saw him behind the goal line as the ball came in for a corner/cross. He made some decent saves but positioning for a goalie is a must.

[Northernhibee]

:agree::agree:

Goram was hopeless at crosses, once he learnt to leave them to his defence he got much much better.

Marciano rarely came out for crosses either.

[JohnM1875]

Another good game for me today and made a few good saves at important stages of the game.

I honestly think I'd be fine with him as number one for the rest of the season.

[Crab apple]

He was generally fine today but we need a new number 1 brought in in January. Huge improvement on Bursik though.

[wookie70]

He’s 6’1 so basically average height for a keeper. Coming for crosses is more about timing and coordination so i dont think if he was 6’6’ he’s suddenly making great takes. Hes just better at shot stopping and thats his strength. Leave the crosses to Rocky and O’Hora.

I'll bow to your keeper knowledge but one thing that is clear is his timing and co-ordination are terrible when trying to collect or punch balls at full stretch under any pressure. He also doesn't seem to be able to get his own defenders out the way and he misses by so much he is often miles out of position for what comes next.

He has done OK and him coming in has coincided with a decent spell so don't want to be too harsh but I think teams that stick lots of crosses in will be wanting to test him and expecting success

[Hibees1973]

A poor goalkeeper, but better than Bursik.

Not very athletic and doesn't command his area when at corners.

Surely Garvan Stewart will have noticed this and one of the first things on his to do list is a new goalkeeper.

How we ended up with Smith and Bursik is embarrassing.

[JohnM1875]

See folk wanting a new number one, what do they think he'll be better than Smith at? Cause he's made some really impressive saves since coming in and other than the Aberdeen game no goal has been his fault.

Just asking!

[B.H.F.C]

See folk wanting a new number one, what do they think he'll be better than Smith at? Cause he's made some really impressive saves since coming in and other than the Aberdeen game no goal has been his fault.

Just asking!

Not got enough presence about him for me.

Thought he did well enough today, particularly early on. But he’s never really going to come and take the pressure off when balls are getting rattled in to the box. There is always just something in the back of the mind that we’re not overly secure. 10x better than Bursik though.

[shetlandhibee]

Not got enough presence about him for me.

Thought he did well enough today, particularly early on. But he’s never really going to come and take the pressure off when balls are getting rattled in to the box. There is always just something in the back of the mind that we’re not overly secure. 10x better than Bursik though.:top marks

[Gmack7]

He’s 6’1 so basically average height for a keeper. Coming for crosses is more about timing and coordination so i dont think if he was 6’6’ he’s suddenly making great takes. Hes just better at shot stopping and thats his strength. Leave the crosses to Rocky and O’Hora.

Surely he's not 6'1, he looks 5'10 maximum to me

[cameronw-hfc]

Not got enough presence about him for me.

Thought he did well enough today, particularly early on. But he’s never really going to come and take the pressure off when balls are getting rattled in to the box. There is always just something in the back of the mind that we’re not overly secure. 10x better than Bursik though.


The best keeper of probably the last 15 years at least at Hibs was hopeless with crossed, Marciano. Quickly realised he wasn't good and just stayed on his like and trusted himself to make the save, which he did more often than not.


I think it could be lack of gametime over Smiths career causing his indecision. A lot of coming out for high balls is timing and confidence. Every keeper at a decent level can catch a cross, it's about committing and making the right decision to stay or go, I think with more games(or maybe I hope?) Smith can learn to stay on his line let the defence deal with it. For a guy in his late 20s he hasn't played a lot of football, although he was at one point very highly rated at Forrest if I remember right.

[Onceinawhile]

Kept us in the game at 1-0 today and had already made a cracking save before the goal.

Motm for me.

[eastterrace]

Played well again today

Brilliant save which lead to the corner where the scored

There was another good save from distance too

Well done Jordan he was brutal , flapping at anything that came in to the box we definitely need an upgrade.

[wookie70]

Surely he's not 6'1, he looks 5'10 maximum to me I had a look at the squad pic and he is taller than Cadden and a good bit taller than Obita. Bursik and Smith do appear to be of tip toes though. So he is probably taller than he looks but in the day of the 2m taller centre half and target man who are also athletic he comes up short so to speak. I do think Hibsbolloh is probably right. Looking at how far away he is when he comes for the ball a few extra inches of height won't make much odds

[Tambo]

Only seen the highlights but some decent saves from Smith today.

[ballengeich]

:agree::agree:

Goram was hopeless at crosses, once he learnt to leave them to his defence he got much much better.
I recall Willie Miller once saying on Radio Scotland that it doesn't matter that much whether a keeper is good at coming out for crosses. The important thing is that the central defenders know what he's going to do, so if he's not good at it he stays on his line and leaves it to them. The understanding comes from a lot of games together,

[Donegal Hibby]

Only seen the highlights but some decent saves from Smith today.

I thought one he had was particularly good . He’s not a keeper that’s going to come and take crosses but he is a decent shot stopper … is he the player that’s surprised fans the most in a good way so far ? .

[wookie70]

I thought one he had was particularly good . He’s not a keeper that’s going to come and take crosses but he is a decent shot stopper … is he the player that’s surprised fans the most in a good way so far ? . Cadden2 for me. Not only has he showed he has quality, a bit of desire and can both score and create but he is pretty consistent. Players we can rely on are near non-existent

[Smartie]

Cadden2 for me. Not only has he showed he has quality, a bit of desire and can both score and create but he is pretty consistent. Players we can rely on are near non-existent

Tbf we should be very happy with what we’ve got from Cadden2 and Jordan Smith. They might only have been expected to be peripheral players but have done well, Ekpiteta too.

Bursik, O’Hora, Myko and Kwon should all really have been main players making big contributions for us but all have disappointed in different ways.

[JohnM1875]

Not got enough presence about him for me.

Thought he did well enough today, particularly early on. But he’s never really going to come and take the pressure off when balls are getting rattled in to the box. There is always just something in the back of the mind that we’re not overly secure. 10x better than Bursik though.

For me, all I care about is my keeper making saves, and Smith has done that regularly (Aberdeen game aside). I actually don't think he was bad at coming for balls whipped into the box today either.

But I asked for folks opinion so appreciate yours :aok:

For me, a GK was number one priority this window, after Smiths performance the past few weeks I've changed my mind and I'd happily keep him and spend the money in other problem positions.

[CmoantheHibs]

WithoutvSmiths contribution today we likely wouldn't have the 3 points.simple as that,

[RyeSloan]

he was brutal , flapping at anything that came in to the box we definitely need an upgrade.

Brutal is a bit harsh but people suggesting he should be our number one for the rest of the season baffles me to be honest.

To his credit he made a very good save early on and a good one a while later. Beyond that he spent the rest of the game flapping about at anything they swung over and lacks any presence in goal what so ever.

Thankfully we didn’t have to suffer seeing him try to het his goal kicks over the half way line today so that also helped.

[lucky]

Hes improved but he doesn't fill me with confidence but you can't fault his performance today

[hibsbollah]

Surely he's not 6'1, he looks 5'10 maximum to me

Wiki has him at 185cm 6’1’, transfer market 183cm, which is 6’ and a half.
Maybe he stoops when he walks :greengrin

I remember Iker Casillas was described as 5’11 when he played but hes now described as being 6’1!! Not sure how thats possible. Course it’s definitely an advantage to be tall in most situations although there was some decent analysis on Fraser Forsters inability to get down quickly enough low and to either side because of his height, so it goes the other way too.

[Northernhibee]

Tbf he was signed as backup and he’s defo a reasonable backup goalie. He can stop a shot which makes him a massive upgrade on Bursik and although he’s not a goalie who’s at the level we need for a number one Id keep him around if he’s happy to be here.

[ancient hibee]

Hes improved but he doesn't fill me with confidence but you can't fault his performance today

No but plenty will if given an opportunity.

[joebakerforever]

Surprised no comment about his performance on Saturday.

Seemed to have a competent performance & appears to improve with every game.

[whiskyhibby]

Surprised no comment about his performance on Saturday.

Seemed to have a competent performance & appears to improve with every game.

Agree, he had a good game, long may that continue, he definitely gives the defence a much more solid look

[Jones28]

Thought he was solid, unlucky with the Aberdeen goal as well, takes a big nick off Rocky.

The save he made when the wind caught the ball was really solid.

[JimBHibees]

Surprised no comment about his performance on Saturday.

Seemed to have a competent performance & appears to improve with every game.

Really like him good confidence and attitude about him. Speaks well in the press conference after sheep win

[007]

Another solid performance today, was unlucky not to get a clean sheet.

[Northernhibee]

I was completely wrong about him, and get the feeling my relegation predictions may have turned out to be classic .net bedwetting.

Europe here we come :hyper