Jordan Smith

[duffers]

I'm more than happy for people to have the pitch forks out, but I really think he's a poor keeper and only been so highly rated as we have been on a winning run / he replaced a slightly worse keeper in Bursic.

In my opinion, he's been directly at fault for 5 goals in the 18 games he's played for us, not including the disallowed goals last night or on Saturday. An average of a mistake leading to a goal every 3 games.

Kelty
2 x Aberdeen
Motherwell
Celtic

He did have a run of games where he managed to get rid of any mistakes, but I don't think in any of those games he necessarily won us any points. St Mirren double save maybe for the only time, although that was more the recovery save than the initial one. And contrary to a lot of people, I don't actually think his distribution from feet is particularly good (Although i've got to say his distribution from hand is very good).

I'll be delighted to be wrong, but i'd be concerned if we were going into the new season with him as number 1.

[Iain G]

I'm more than happy for people to have the pitch forks out, but I really think he's a poor keeper and only been so highly rated as we have been on a winning run / he replaced a slightly worse keeper in Bursic.

In my opinion, he's been directly at fault for 5 goals in the 18 games he's played for us, not including the disallowed goals last night or on Saturday. An average of a mistake leading to a goal every 3 games.

Kelty
2 x Aberdeen
Motherwell
Celtic

He did have a run of games where he managed to get rid of any mistakes, but I don't think in any of those games he necessarily won us any points. St Mirren double save maybe for the only time, although that was more the recovery save than the initial one. And contrary to a lot of people, I don't actually think his distribution from feet is particularly good (Although i've got to say his distribution from hand is very good).

I'll be delighted to be wrong, but i'd be concerned if we were going into the new season with him as number 1.

Be delighted, you are wrong, he is clearly working as part of a team and a defensive unit where they are now well drilled and organised and communicate. He has brought some calm to the team by doing the basics well and pulling off some good stops.

He isn't a Goram or Leighton or Bogdan, but he has improved and improved the team and is a key part ofr our 14 game unbeaten run.

[Bushwoof]

We might well have been out of the cup by now too without his early 1v1 save. Worth remembering when we pick up the trophy.

[Hibernian Verse]

Jordan is now second in the league for save percentage at 75.8%, only behind Schmeichel who has a phenomenal 82.4%.

[Donegal Hibby]

I'm more than happy for people to have the pitch forks out, but I really think he's a poor keeper and only been so highly rated as we have been on a winning run / he replaced a slightly worse keeper in Bursic.

In my opinion, he's been directly at fault for 5 goals in the 18 games he's played for us, not including the disallowed goals last night or on Saturday. An average of a mistake leading to a goal every 3 games.

Kelty
2 x Aberdeen
Motherwell
Celtic

He did have a run of games where he managed to get rid of any mistakes, but I don't think in any of those games he necessarily won us any points. St Mirren double save maybe for the only time, although that was more the recovery save than the initial one. And contrary to a lot of people, I don't actually think his distribution from feet is particularly good (Although i've got to say his distribution from hand is very good).

I'll be delighted to be wrong, but i'd be concerned if we were going into the new season with him as number 1.

You’re entitled to your opinion but I think classing him as a poor keeper is well wide of the mark . The games you have highlighted mistakes you think he’s made in . How many of our other players have made mistakes in these too ?..

The Celtic one if I remember correctly he also made a good save from Johnston in too .

We will take in another keeper to challenge him but if he’s our NO 1 next season I’d be quite happy as outside the OF he’s as good as the rest and better than quite a few also . Good keeper .

[1875Sean]

Deserves a new deal but still think we should be looking for a new number 1 come the summer

[Jones28]

I'm more than happy for people to have the pitch forks out, but I really think he's a poor keeper and only been so highly rated as we have been on a winning run / he replaced a slightly worse keeper in Bursic.

In my opinion, he's been directly at fault for 5 goals in the 18 games he's played for us, not including the disallowed goals last night or on Saturday. An average of a mistake leading to a goal every 3 games.

Kelty
2 x Aberdeen
Motherwell
Celtic

He did have a run of games where he managed to get rid of any mistakes, but I don't think in any of those games he necessarily won us any points. St Mirren double save maybe for the only time, although that was more the recovery save than the initial one. And contrary to a lot of people, I don't actually think his distribution from feet is particularly good (Although i've got to say his distribution from hand is very good).

I'll be delighted to be wrong, but i'd be concerned if we were going into the new season with him as number 1.

Which 2 against Aberdeen?

How do you equate your thoughts that he hasn't won us any points with the fact he has the 2nd highest save % in the league?

[hibsbollah]

Which 2 against Aberdeen?

How do you equate your thoughts that he hasn't won us any points with the fact he has the 2nd highest save % in the league?

He came for one against them and got stranded, lobbed for the goal. A mistake but hardly a shocker, hes changed his technique now to leave those ones for Rocky. The One where he got his fingertips to aberdeens 3rd goal, the bicycle kick? Thats not an error!

[Jones28]

He came for one against them and got stranded, lobbed for the goal. A mistake but hardly a shocker, hes changed his technique now to leave those ones for Rocky. The One where he got his fingertips to aberdeens 3rd goal, the bicycle kick? Thats not an error!

I thought it must have been referring to their 3rd goal but Christ that's harsh, not many would have saved that.

[Iain G]

Rather have Smith than £47m Andre Onana! He makes a lot of mistakes that lead to goals 😁

[BILLYHIBS]

Rather have Smith than £47m Andre Onana! He makes a lot of mistakes that lead to goals 😁

Aw naw no Onana anaw !

[HoboHarry]

Rather have Smith than £47m Andre Onana! He makes a lot of mistakes that lead to goals 😁
Onana, Pickford, Sanchez and Jorgensen at Chelsea (among others) all have howlers in them and I think all are full internationals playing in the EPL.

[Allant1981]

I'm more than happy for people to have the pitch forks out, but I really think he's a poor keeper and only been so highly rated as we have been on a winning run / he replaced a slightly worse keeper in Bursic.

In my opinion, he's been directly at fault for 5 goals in the 18 games he's played for us, not including the disallowed goals last night or on Saturday. An average of a mistake leading to a goal every 3 games.

Kelty
2 x Aberdeen
Motherwell
Celtic

He did have a run of games where he managed to get rid of any mistakes, but I don't think in any of those games he necessarily won us any points. St Mirren double save maybe for the only time, although that was more the recovery save than the initial one. And contrary to a lot of people, I don't actually think his distribution from feet is particularly good (Although i've got to say his distribution from hand is very good).

I'll be delighted to be wrong, but i'd be concerned if we were going into the new season with him as number 1.

You can certainly highlight what you think are mistakes but he has clearly shown he isn't a poor keeper, anyone that actually watches the games can see he isn't a poor keeper

[Paulie Walnuts]

I like Jordan Smith but surely people aren’t trying to compare a misplaced pass from an outfield player with a goalkeeping error?

Triantis for example has a pass completion of 73% this season on an average of 35 passes a game, giving him 9 misplaced passes per game. He’s ln the running for POTY. If we’re going to pretend that they’re comparable, that would be suggesting that keepers can make 9 mistakes a game and be doing pretty well.

Like it or not, a goalkeeping error and a misplaced pass in the middle of the pitch aren’t comparable. A goalkeeping error is much more akin to the Ekpiteta brain fart at the start of the season than a misplaced pass.

[Thatdayinmay16]

I'm more than happy for people to have the pitch forks out, but I really think he's a poor keeper and only been so highly rated as we have been on a winning run / he replaced a slightly worse keeper in Bursic.

In my opinion, he's been directly at fault for 5 goals in the 18 games he's played for us, not including the disallowed goals last night or on Saturday. An average of a mistake leading to a goal every 3 games.

Kelty
2 x Aberdeen
Motherwell
Celtic

He did have a run of games where he managed to get rid of any mistakes, but I don't think in any of those games he necessarily won us any points. St Mirren double save maybe for the only time, although that was more the recovery save than the initial one. And contrary to a lot of people, I don't actually think his distribution from feet is particularly good (Although i've got to say his distribution from hand is very good).

I'll be delighted to be wrong, but i'd be concerned if we were going into the new season with him as number 1.

Motherwell? Beat them.
Celtic? Beat them.
Aberdeen, 7 points in 3 games.
Kelty - Less said the better but through regardless of the result.

St Mirren - Double save, helps extend the unbeaten run, gains us a point.
Ayr - 2 or 3 big saves keep us in the game which we go onto win.
Ross County - Penalty save, keeps us in the game which helps extend unbeaten run, gains us a point.
Celtic (H) - 1 on 1 with Johnston in the first half, keeps the game at 1-0.

Everyone makes mistakes, he's justified himself as our number 1 keeper with the 75.8% save rate. No need for him to be hounded out when we've lost 1 game in 15 with him in the net. If he's replaced with serious quality then so be it, but no doubting the job he's done or the job he will continue to do.

[HoboHarry]

I'm more than happy for people to have the pitch forks out, but I really think he's a poor keeper and only been so highly rated as we have been on a winning run / he replaced a slightly worse keeper in Bursic.

In my opinion, he's been directly at fault for 5 goals in the 18 games he's played for us, not including the disallowed goals last night or on Saturday. An average of a mistake leading to a goal every 3 games.

Kelty
2 x Aberdeen
Motherwell
Celtic

He did have a run of games where he managed to get rid of any mistakes, but I don't think in any of those games he necessarily won us any points. St Mirren double save maybe for the only time, although that was more the recovery save than the initial one. And contrary to a lot of people, I don't actually think his distribution from feet is particularly good (Although i've got to say his distribution from hand is very good).

I'll be delighted to be wrong, but i'd be concerned if we were going into the new season with him as number 1.

According to the BBC we are already in talks with him about extending his contract so you'd better brace yourself for disappointment.

[Iain G]

I like Jordan Smith but surely people aren’t trying to compare a misplaced pass from an outfield player with a goalkeeping error?

Triantis for example has a pass completion of 73% this season on an average of 35 passes a game, giving him 9 misplaced passes per game. He’s ln the running for POTY. If we’re going to pretend that they’re comparable, that would be suggesting that keepers can make 9 mistakes a game and be doing pretty well.

Like it or not, a goalkeeping error and a misplaced pass in the middle of the pitch aren’t comparable. A goalkeeping error is much more akin to the Ekpiteta brain fart at the start of the season than a misplaced pass.

As pointed out earlier on this thread, Smith has stats showing he is the second best keeper in the league right now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

As pointed out earlier on this thread, Smith has stats showing he is the second best keeper in the league right now.

I don’t doubt that. As I said I like Smith.

The point isn’t really about Smith personally though, it’s about the suggestion that misplaced passes from outfield players and goalkeeping errors aren’t treated equally as if they are of equal significance.

[Iain G]

I don’t doubt that. As I said I like Smith.

The point isn’t really about Smith personally though, it’s about the suggestion that misplaced passes from outfield players and goalkeeping errors aren’t treated equally as if they are of equal significance.

Back to Man Utd, the mix up between keeper and defender against Ipswich has both of them punished equally! It all depends what comes of said error I guess. It's easier for outfield players to get away with it usually.

[hibsbollah]

I like Jordan Smith but surely people aren’t trying to compare a misplaced pass from an outfield player with a goalkeeping error?

Triantis for example has a pass completion of 73% this season on an average of 35 passes a game, giving him 9 misplaced passes per game. He’s ln the running for POTY. If we’re going to pretend that they’re comparable, that would be suggesting that keepers can make 9 mistakes a game and be doing pretty well.

Like it or not, a goalkeeping error and a misplaced pass in the middle of the pitch aren’t comparable. A goalkeeping error is much more akin to the Ekpiteta brain fart at the start of the season than a misplaced pass.

You are confusing comparison with equivalence. You can compare a midfielder error with a goalkeeper error to provide context to the question of whether each player is performing above or below expectations. That doesn’t mean we are drawing EQUIVALENCE when we do so.

As it happens, both Smith and Triantis are performing above expectations as are most of our team in the run up to a massive derby. Ive got faith in the whole team at the moment.

[LaMotta]

I like Jordan Smith but surely people aren’t trying to compare a misplaced pass from an outfield player with a goalkeeping error?

Triantis for example has a pass completion of 73% this season on an average of 35 passes a game, giving him 9 misplaced passes per game. He’s ln the running for POTY. If we’re going to pretend that they’re comparable, that would be suggesting that keepers can make 9 mistakes a game and be doing pretty well.

Like it or not, a goalkeeping error and a misplaced pass in the middle of the pitch aren’t comparable. A goalkeeping error is much more akin to the Ekpiteta brain fart at the start of the season than a misplaced pass.


I think you are referring to my post, I usually agree with a lot of what you say, but I'm not sure you are following me correctly.

Its not just about misplaced passes . I was pointing out that goalie errors are far more jumped upon than outfield players errors. I understand why that is the case but I'm suggesting its unfair. But for example, Triantis has directly contributed to us losing points through a daft sending off and lost runners several times in games earlier this season that led to goals lost/dropped points. We can rightly point to him having a very good season overall and the beneficial contribution he is making to the team.

Smith has been culpable for two goals, and he has had a couple of other dodgy moments - but I would say he has also been very good overall and had a beneficial contribution to the team (although Triantis has been our standout performer for me no doubt). I think a few people are placing too much emphasis on Smith's dodgy moments and ignoring his good moments and positives ie character, relationship with defense, fact he has been a vital part of a long unbeaten run etc etc. That was the general point.

In terms of the bit in bold, your point about 9 mistakes being supposedly acceptable in the comparison isn't quite right I think....

A goalie is unlikely to average even close to 35 moments in a game. He might be involved in having a few crosses to deal with a few shots on target and some interceptions. That might come to 10. So comparably using the 73% stat and rounding down, he could be allowed about 3 mistakes a game based on the figures if directly comparing with misplaced passes ( which I wasn't!). But of course even that would be unacceptable for a goalie, so they have to adhere to tougher demands in terms of mistake ratio.

[LaMotta]

You are confusing comparison with equivalence. You can compare a midfielder error with a goalkeeper error to provide context to the question of whether each player is performing above or below expectations. That doesn’t mean we are drawing EQUIVALENCE when we do so.

As it happens, both Smith and Triantis are performing above expectations as are most of our team in the run up to a massive derby. Ive got faith in the whole team at the moment.

Yes, this!

[PHeffernan]

Jordan is now second in the league for save percentage at 75.8%, only behind Schmeichel who has a phenomenal 82.4%.

That is a really interesting stat and if true seriously challenges my opinion of Smith.
Also interesting to read the thoughts of PB above given he is/was a goalkeeper so knows more than us ex outfielders.

IMHO replacing Smith in the summer with a better keeper is the most obvious and easy upgrade for the team.
His lack of height and propensity to make bad errors in big games gives me the fear.

His poor starting position for the disallowed goal last night was exacerbated by his lack of height, a combination which saw him jumping well under the ball as it was flighted to the back post. Saying that there wouldn't have been a free kick from a dangerous position had Cadden decided not to impersonate a moderately powerful Pokemon and knock over an opposition player who was going nowhere.

This poor decision making was of the type we saw during the bad run and for me trumped Smiths subsequent error. However, we have heard little criticim of Cadden compared to that aimed at Smith. The obvious reason for that is the Smith error last night came on the back of 2 others against Celtic last weekend whilst the Cadden error was the first most of us can recall ... and the team won.

The two toughest positions on the pitch, to my mind, are goalkeeper and striker and if the former makes a mistake it very often results in a goal. If mistakes continue a goalkeeper will be heavily criticised by both supporters and media pundits along with calls for his head as we saw with Bursic.

Fingers crossed for Smith on Sunday.

[Bridge hibs]

I'm more than happy for people to have the pitch forks out, but I really think he's a poor keeper and only been so highly rated as we have been on a winning run / he replaced a slightly worse keeper in Bursic.

In my opinion, he's been directly at fault for 5 goals in the 18 games he's played for us, not including the disallowed goals last night or on Saturday. An average of a mistake leading to a goal every 3 games.

Kelty
2 x Aberdeen
Motherwell
Celtic

He did have a run of games where he managed to get rid of any mistakes, but I don't think in any of those games he necessarily won us any points. St Mirren double save maybe for the only time, although that was more the recovery save than the initial one. And contrary to a lot of people, I don't actually think his distribution from feet is particularly good (Although i've got to say his distribution from hand is very good).

I'll be delighted to be wrong, but i'd be concerned if we were going into the new season with him as number 1.A winning run of which Smith has played a large part in, Ive seen golden boy Gordon make **** ups, Ive seen Schmichael make **** ups and the the rangers keeper has made plenty **** ups, they are so called high profile keepers but Smith tends to get scrutinised and criticised if he makes a balls up.

I think he is as good as the rest of the keepers in our league and to be honest they all have their flaws. If he is our no1 next season then I would be happy with that.

[Hibspur]

That is a really interesting stat and if true seriously challenges my opinion of Smith.
Also interesting to read the thoughts of PB above given he is/was a goalkeeper so knows more than us ex outfielders.

IMHO replacing Smith in the summer with a better keeper is the most obvious and easy upgrade for the team.
His lack of height and propensity to make bad errors in big games gives me the fear.

His poor starting position for the disallowed goal last night was exacerbated by his lack of height, a combination which saw him jumping well under the ball as it was flighted to the back post. Saying that there wouldn't have been a free kick from a dangerous position had Cadden decided not to impersonate a moderately powerful Pokemon and knock over an opposition player who was going nowhere.

This poor decision making was of the type we saw during the bad run and for me trumped Smiths subsequent error. However, we have heard little criticim of Cadden compared to that aimed at Smith. The obvious reason for that is the Smith error last night came on the back of 2 others against Celtic last weekend whilst the Cadden error was the first most of us can recall ... and the team won.

The two toughest positions on the pitch, to my mind, are goalkeeper and striker and if the former makes a mistake it very often results in a goal. If mistakes continue he will be heavily criticised by both supporters and media pundits along with calls for his head as we saw with Bursic.

Fingers crossed for Smith on Sunday.

'If mistakes continue'. You make it sound as though he's making mistakes week-in, week-out when for the most part he's been impressively solid. Neither of his 'mistakes' against Celtic cost us anything and neither did he cost us anything last night.

Somebody else has mentioned it I think, but a measure of the impact Smith has had on our phenomenal improvement is that if he were to get injured we'd probably be more worried about that than we would be with any other player.

[LaMotta]

'If mistakes continue'. You make it sound as though he's making mistakes week-in, week-out when for the most part he's been impressively solid. Neither of his 'mistakes' against Celtic cost us anything and neither did he cost us anything last night.

Somebody else has mentioned it I think, but a measure of the impact Smith has had on our phenomenal improvement is that if he were to get injured we'd probably be more worried about that than we would be with any other player.

:agree: also his second mistake wasnt even a mistake, Ekpiteta more to blame.

[PHeffernan]

'If mistakes continue'. You make it sound as though he's making mistakes week-in, week-out when for the most part he's been impressively solid. Neither of his 'mistakes' against Celtic cost us anything and neither did he cost us anything last night.

Somebody else has mentioned it I think, but a measure of the impact Smith has had on our phenomenal improvement is that if he were to get injured we'd probably be more worried about that than we would be with any other player.

I meant any goalkeeper rather than our goalkeeper.
Have amended the relevant sentence in my post to clarify.
Cheers.

[PHeffernan]

:agree: also his second mistake wasnt even a mistake, Ekpiteta more to blame.

I agree Ekpiteta should have left it to Smith but instead got in his way.
Needed one of them to take charge.

[Donegal Hibby]

We are on a fantastic run at the moment and yet we are still trying to conjure up mistakes by some of our players or going back weeks and weeks to find some others ,being on here sometimes reminds me of that film . It’s a mad ,mad , mad ,mad world🤪😂

[Eyrie]

Smith is a good solid keeper at our level and will be fine as our #1 for next season.

But I also believe we could sign someone who will be even better.

It's a no-lose situation for us.

[Bobby's Cinema]

We previously had a goalie that was not making 50/50 saves and bailing us out when we needed.

A goalie that did not make saves to get you points.

We now have a goalie that does that. Love how he has taken to the club and we have taken to him :aok:

[Greenio]

Jordan is now second in the league for save percentage at 75.8%, only behind Schmeichel who has a phenomenal 82.4%.

How anyone can argue against that is insane. All keepers make errors, theyre there to make saves, and that's what hes doing...clearly.

14 games unbeaten and folk still need a scapegoat

[Aldo]

I'm more than happy for people to have the pitch forks out, but I really think he's a poor keeper and only been so highly rated as we have been on a winning run / he replaced a slightly worse keeper in Bursic.

In my opinion, he's been directly at fault for 5 goals in the 18 games he's played for us, not including the disallowed goals last night or on Saturday. An average of a mistake leading to a goal every 3 games.

Kelty
2 x Aberdeen
Motherwell
Celtic

He did have a run of games where he managed to get rid of any mistakes, but I don't think in any of those games he necessarily won us any points. St Mirren double save maybe for the only time, although that was more the recovery save than the initial one. And contrary to a lot of people, I don't actually think his distribution from feet is particularly good (Although i've got to say his distribution from hand is very good).

I'll be delighted to be wrong, but i'd be concerned if we were going into the new season with him as number 1.

Kelty wasn’t his fault.

That was a bullet header and was a goal the second it left the Kelty players head.

Those in front of Smith let him down that day or as I like to call it a collective cluster****.

[JimBHibees]

We previously had a goalie that was not making 50/50 saves and bailing us out when we needed.

A goalie that did not make saves to get you points.

We now have a goalie that does that. Love how he has taken to the club and we have taken to him :aok:

Yes love his attitude and has done really well

[O'Rourke3]

Kelty wasn’t his fault.

That was a bullet header and was a goal the second it left the Kelty players head.

Those in front of Smith let him down that day or as I like to call it a collective cluster****.This. F all he could have done other than what he did do which was screaming at the defenders to stop the short corner

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[Edinburgh Green]

How anyone can argue against that is insane. All keepers make errors, theyre there to make saves, and that's what hes doing...clearly.

14 games unbeaten and folk still need a scapegoat

He's not being made a scapegoat. Some fans just just see a position where we can improve on. I think Smith has made errors that a lot of keepers wouldn't have made. I also agree that he has played his part in our upturn in form.

I have no issue with him being number 2 next season. I'd have serious concerns if he was number 1.

On the point around stats. They don't mean a lot and not all saves are equal.

[Frogga]

He's not being made a scapegoat. Some fans just just see a position where we can improve on. I think Smith has made errors that a lot of keepers wouldn't have made. I also agree that he has played his part in our upturn in form.

I have no issue with him being number 2 next season. I'd have serious concerns if he was number 1.

On the point around stats. They don't mean a lot and not all saves are equal.

Totally agree. I (like most on here) have a lot of time for him and more than happy for him to be number 2 but we can do better for number 1.

[Donegal Hibby]

He's not being made a scapegoat. Some fans just just see a position where we can improve on. I think Smith has made errors that a lot of keepers wouldn't have made. I also agree that he has played his part in our upturn in form.

I have no issue with him being number 2 next season. I'd have serious concerns if he was number 1.

On the point around stats. They don't mean a lot and not all saves are equal.

Most of the keepers in our league have made errors from Gordon to Butland etc . I think certain players errors are highlighted a lot more than some others like in Rocky , Campbell as two examples which I think there is a case for players being made into a scapegoat…

A goalkeeper is a position where an error is highlighted far more than a outfield player , take Dalbys disallowed goal which some highlighted our keeper coming for the ball and not getting to it and yet we knew the way Utd were going to play having a big CF in putting crosses into our box and yet I don’t think anyone pointed to the fact we give away a free kick to give them that opportunity in the first place.

[PHeffernan]

Most of the keepers in our league have made errors from Gordon to Butland etc . I think certain players errors are highlighted a lot more than some others like in Rocky , Campbell as two examples which I think there is a case for players being made into a scapegoat…

A goalkeeper is a position where an error is highlighted far more than a outfield player , take Dalbys disallowed goal which some highlighted our keeper coming for the ball and not getting to it and yet we knew the way Utd were going to play having a big CF in putting crosses into our box and yet I don’t think anyone pointed to the fact we give away a free kick to give them that opportunity in the first place.

All covered in my post #773, see below :aok:

"His poor starting position for the disallowed goal last night was exacerbated by his lack of height, a combination which saw him jumping well under the ball as it was flighted to the back post. Saying that there wouldn't have been a free kick from a dangerous position had Cadden decided not to impersonate a moderately powerful Pokemon and knock over an opposition player who was going nowhere.

This poor decision making was of the type we saw during the bad run and for me trumped Smiths subsequent error. However, we have heard little criticim of Cadden compared to that aimed at Smith."

[LaMotta]

Just nicked this off X - Smith is part of a defence that has conceded the least goals in the Premiership since the turn of the year :cb

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[Donegal Hibby]

All covered in my post #773, see below :aok:

"His poor starting position for the disallowed goal last night was exacerbated by his lack of height, a combination which saw him jumping well under the ball as it was flighted to the back post. Saying that there wouldn't have been a free kick from a dangerous position had Cadden decided not to impersonate a moderately powerful Pokemon and knock over an opposition player who was going nowhere.

This poor decision making was of the type we saw during the bad run and for me trumped Smiths subsequent error. However, we have heard little criticim of Cadden compared to that aimed at Smith."

Is there a lack of height with Smith ?. Everywhere I’ve checked has him down as 6’0 or 6’1 . I think the cross for Dalbys disallowed goal was excellent ( like a N.Cadden one ) and the problem with it was even if Smith had stayed on his line it would more than likely hit the back of the net anyhow and it’s a case of damned if you do , damned if don’t situation.

I didn’t know it was C.Cadden that gave away the free-kick but I did think they in general were getting to many crosses into our box which was part of their game plan which could mean there were other players responsible for not stopping them too but at the end of the day we won and at a difficult venue so I’d rather look on the positives of it 👍

[Jones28]

All covered in my post #773, see below :aok:

"His poor starting position for the disallowed goal last night was exacerbated by his lack of height, a combination which saw him jumping well under the ball as it was flighted to the back post. Saying that there wouldn't have been a free kick from a dangerous position had Cadden decided not to impersonate a moderately powerful Pokemon and knock over an opposition player who was going nowhere.

This poor decision making was of the type we saw during the bad run and for me trumped Smiths subsequent error. However, we have heard little criticim of Cadden compared to that aimed at Smith."

None of which acknowledged the quality of the cross. Its a zinger that takes the goalkeeper out the game. A goalkeeper that was 6ft5 might have had a chance of getting a finger tip on the ball.

[Bridge hibs]

All covered in my post #773, see below :aok:

"His poor starting position for the disallowed goal last night was exacerbated by his lack of height, a combination which saw him jumping well under the ball as it was flighted to the back post. Saying that there wouldn't have been a free kick from a dangerous position had Cadden decided not to impersonate a moderately powerful Pokemon and knock over an opposition player who was going nowhere.

This poor decision making was of the type we saw during the bad run and for me trumped Smiths subsequent error. However, we have heard little criticim of Cadden compared to that aimed at Smith."You keep pedalling this **** about Smiths height, he is the same height as Schmeichel, Ederso and Pickford, give or take an inch and there are are many more high level keepers around the same height but Ive yet to read or hear of any comments that they lack height when they have conceded a goal, theres more to a keeper than height.

[LaMotta]

You keep pedalling this **** about Smiths height, he is the same height as Schmeichel, Ederso and Pickford, give or take an inch and there are are many more high level keepers around the same height but Ive yet to read or hear of any comments that they lack height when they have conceded a goal, theres more to a keeper than height.

He is also the same height as Jim Leighton and Alan Rough, and 2 inches taller than Goram was!

[Brightside]

Is there a lack of height with Smith ?. Everywhere I’ve checked has him down as 6’0 or 6’1 . I think the cross for Dalbys disallowed goal was excellent ( like a N.Cadden one ) and the problem with it was even if Smith had stayed on his line it would more than likely hit the back of the net anyhow and it’s a case of damned if you do , damned if don’t situation.

I didn’t know it was C.Cadden that gave away the free-kick but I did think they in general were getting to many crosses into our box which was part of their game plan which could mean there were other players responsible for not stopping them too but at the end of the day we won and at a difficult venue so I’d rather look on the positives of it 👍

He is 5ft10 max. Source is me standing next to him and I am taller.

[hibsbollah]

He is 5ft10 max. Source is me standing next to him and I am taller.

But we all know you are partial to a stacked heel.

[PHeffernan]

You keep pedalling this **** about Smiths height, he is the same height as Schmeichel, Ederso and Pickford, give or take an inch and there are are many more high level keepers around the same height but Ive yet to read or hear of any comments that they lack height when they have conceded a goal, theres more to a keeper than height.

Fact - Schmeichel Ederson and even Pickford are taller than Smith.
Fact - Smith is the smallest goalkeeper in the SPL ergo he is a small goalkeeper.
All but one source I have read have him at 1.83m and even that looks 'boosted' to me.

What I said in my post was ""His poor starting position for the disallowed goal last night was exacerbated by his lack of height, a combination which saw him jumping well under the ball as it was flighted to the back post."

Do you agree that a goalkeeper that is small has to have great positioning to make up for his lack of height?

At the disallowed goal Smith jumped for the ball, it flew 12 inches above his hand and was headed in at the far post by Dalby which tells me his starting position was way out. He needed to start in the middle of the goal rather than the position he took nearer the front post and even that might not have been enough given his lack of height.

I should say it was a very poor decision by Nicky Cadden to foul the DU player for the free kick given when he was presenting no immediate danger. The goal would have been down to him had it stood.

[PHeffernan]

He is also the same height as Jim Leighton and Alan Rough, and 2 inches taller than Goram was!

Leighton and Rough were taller than Smith.
Goram was smaller than Smith but his innate ability and positioning made up for his lack of height.

[HoboHarry]

Who gives a s**** what his height is if he's good enough which he is, as is backed up by the rumours on the BBC that we are already talking to him about a new contract. Whether or not anyone thinks he should be our number 1 next year it's looking like he will be.

[LaMotta]

He is 5ft10 max. Source is me standing next to him and I am taller.


Fact - Schmeichel Ederson and even Pickford are taller than Smith.
Fact - Smith is the smallest goalkeeper in the SPL ergo he is a small goalkeeper.
All but one source I have read have him at 1.83m and even that looks 'boosted' to me.

What I said in my post was ""His poor starting position for the disallowed goal last night was exacerbated by his lack of height, a combination which saw him jumping well under the ball as it was flighted to the back post."

Do you agree that a goalkeeper that is small has to have great positioning to make up for his lack of height?

At the disallowed goal Smith jumped for the ball, it flew 12 inches above his hand and was headed in at the far post by Dalby which tells me his starting position was way out. He needed to start in the middle of the goal rather than the position he took nearer the front post and even that might not have been enough given his lack of height.

I should say it was a very poor decision by Nicky Cadden to foul the DU player for the free kick given when he was presenting no immediate danger. The goal would have been down to him had it stood.


Leighton and Rough were taller than Smith.
Goram was smaller than Smith but his innate ability and positioning helped make up for his lack of height.


Leighton and Rough and Pickford are all 6ft1. Jordan Smith is also 6ft1 - source his Mum Carol on X. There isn't a better source than that! :greengrin

As great a goalie as Goram was - he could be dodgy at dealing with crosses.

[Pretty Boy]

Leighton and Rough were taller than Smith.
Goram was smaller than Smith but his innate ability, agility and positioning helped make up for his lack of height.

The height thing is a bit of a misnomer with comparisons to Goram being way off. Firstly Goram was an exceptional talent who had natural ability that mitigated his lack of height. I like Smith but he isn't remotely close to Goram. It's a bit like comparing every small CB to Cannavarro. Secondly the game has just changed. There is so much more emphasis on size, athleticism, build etc now and that is arguably more true for keepers.

Even a few years back you had guys like Given, Barthez and Casillas who were relatively small at around 5'11 to 6ft but the trend is definitely towards taller keepers and has changed even in a few short years. Jordan Pickford is a fantastic goalkeeper, in my opinion anyway, but often derided for being small by many and he's 6'1. The smallest number 1 keeper in the EPL now is Raya at 6ft (and at least a couple of managers have specifically spoke about targeting his lack of height) but the average height is now 6'3. It's the same in the Bundesliga, 6'2 in Serie A and the same in Ligue 1.

There are critics of this trend of course. The aforementioned Barthez recently said France were losing out on talented keepers because academies just weren't advancing keepers who weren't above or on track to be above 6'1 and lamented the prioritising of size over technical ability. I'm sure there will be an example of a well regarded smaller keeper in a French academy but his point was more a general one.

The trend is pretty clear though and it's almost in spite of the way the game is evolving. Goalkeeping now is much less about 'dominating your box', 'claiming everything in the 6 yard box' or other buzzwords that people who have never played the position parrot. It's far more about being a footballer and contributing as that 11th player which really should negate the desire for giants to play the position. It doesn't seem to be the case though.

[Bridge hibs]

The height thing is a bit of a misnomer with comparisons to Goram being way off. Firstly Goram was an exceptional talent who had natural ability that mitigated his lack of height. I like Smith but he isn't remotely close to Goram. It's a bit like comparing every small CB to Cannavarro. Secondly the game has just changed. There is so much more emphasis on size, athleticism, build etc now and that is arguably more true for keepers.

Even a few years back you had guys like Given, Barthez and Casillas who were relatively small at around 5'11 to 6ft but the trend is definitely towards taller keepers and has changed even in a few short years. Jordan Pickford is a fantastic goalkeeper, in my opinion anyway, but often derided for being small by many and he's 6'1. The smallest number 1 keeper in the EPL now is Raya at 6ft (and at least a couple of managers have specifically spoke about targeting his lack of height) but the average height is now 6'3. It's the same in the Bundesliga, 6'2 in Serie A and the same in Ligue 1.

There are critics of this trend of course. The aforementioned Barthez recently said France were losing out on talented keepers because academies just weren't advancing keepers who weren't above or on track to be above 6'1 and lamented the prioritising of size over technical ability. I'm sure there will be an example of a well regarded smaller keeper in a French academy but his point was more a general one.

The trend is pretty clear though and it's almost in spite of the way the game is evolving. Goalkeeping now is much less about 'dominating your box', 'claiming everything in the 6 yard box' or other buzzwords that people who have never played the position parrot. It's far more about being a footballer and contributing as that 11th player which really should negate the desire for giants to play the position. It doesn't seem to be the case though.Excellent post from someone who has played as a keeper at a respectable level 👍

[DH1875]

Excellent post from someone who has played as a keeper at a respectable level 👍

Out of interest as I genuinely don't know, what level football did PB play at?

[Pretty Boy]

Out of interest as I genuinely don't know, what level football did PB play at?

Really not that high.

Represented Edinburgh schools at a couple of age group levels. Highest first team level as an adult was East of Scotland (pre the Lowland League days) and then Junior.

I've probably become better 'qualified' since hanging up the gloves and worked through my coaching badges up to the level 1.3 goalkeeper coaching award. I did apply to do the UEFA Goalkeeping B License a few years back but have never pursued it further as it's not massively worthwhile for me at the moment and I don't have the time for it. One day though.......

[Bridge hibs]

Out of interest as I genuinely don't know, what level football did PB play at?

EOS as far as Ive read, I dont know the guy and only going by his previous posts.

[PHeffernan]

Leighton and Rough and Pickford are all 6ft1. Jordan Smith is also 6ft1 - source his Mum Carol on X. There isn't a better source than that! :greengrin

As great a goalie as Goram was - he could be dodgy at dealing with crosses.

Leighton and Rough were apparently 185 cm tall and Smith is 183

[Silky]

The height thing is a bit of a misnomer with comparisons to Goram being way off. Firstly Goram was an exceptional talent who had natural ability that mitigated his lack of height. I like Smith but he isn't remotely close to Goram. It's a bit like comparing every small CB to Cannavarro. Secondly the game has just changed. There is so much more emphasis on size, athleticism, build etc now and that is arguably more true for keepers.

Even a few years back you had guys like Given, Barthez and Casillas who were relatively small at around 5'11 to 6ft but the trend is definitely towards taller keepers and has changed even in a few short years. Jordan Pickford is a fantastic goalkeeper, in my opinion anyway, but often derided for being small by many and he's 6'1. The smallest number 1 keeper in the EPL now is Raya at 6ft (and at least a couple of managers have specifically spoke about targeting his lack of height) but the average height is now 6'3. It's the same in the Bundesliga, 6'2 in Serie A and the same in Ligue 1.

There are critics of this trend of course. The aforementioned Barthez recently said France were losing out on talented keepers because academies just weren't advancing keepers who weren't above or on track to be above 6'1 and lamented the prioritising of size over technical ability. I'm sure there will be an example of a well regarded smaller keeper in a French academy but his point was more a general one.

The trend is pretty clear though and it's almost in spite of the way the game is evolving. Goalkeeping now is much less about 'dominating your box', 'claiming everything in the 6 yard box' or other buzzwords that people who have never played the position parrot. It's far more about being a footballer and contributing as that 11th player which really should negate the desire for giants to play the position. It doesn't seem to be the case though.

I agree with all of that. My son is a keeper in an under 14's team and is currently about 5'8. He does really well and is a brilliant shot stopper, but all his coaching has been about being that 11th man - playing from the back and being a sweeper.

I've coached him for a couple of years, getting up to a 1.2 badge, but it does seem the emphasis is shifting from being a big, tall guy to someone who can play as well as save!

[PHeffernan]

The height thing is a bit of a misnomer with comparisons to Goram being way off. Firstly Goram was an exceptional talent who had natural ability that mitigated his lack of height. I like Smith but he isn't remotely close to Goram. It's a bit like comparing every small CB to Cannavarro. Secondly the game has just changed. There is so much more emphasis on size, athleticism, build etc now and that is arguably more true for keepers.

Even a few years back you had guys like Given, Barthez and Casillas who were relatively small at around 5'11 to 6ft but the trend is definitely towards taller keepers and has changed even in a few short years. Jordan Pickford is a fantastic goalkeeper, in my opinion anyway, but often derided for being small by many and he's 6'1. The smallest number 1 keeper in the EPL now is Raya at 6ft (and at least a couple of managers have specifically spoke about targeting his lack of height) but the average height is now 6'3. It's the same in the Bundesliga, 6'2 in Serie A and the same in Ligue 1.

There are critics of this trend of course. The aforementioned Barthez recently said France were losing out on talented keepers because academies just weren't advancing keepers who weren't above or on track to be above 6'1 and lamented the prioritising of size over technical ability. I'm sure there will be an example of a well regarded smaller keeper in a French academy but his point was more a general one.

The trend is pretty clear though and it's almost in spite of the way the game is evolving. Goalkeeping now is much less about 'dominating your box', 'claiming everything in the 6 yard box' or other buzzwords that people who have never played the position parrot. It's far more about being a footballer and contributing as that 11th player which really should negate the desire for giants to play the position. It doesn't seem to be the case though.

Good post

Raya is the same height as Smith at 183cm. The smallest goalkeepers in the EPL & SPL.

[LaMotta]

Good post

Raya is the same height as Smith at 183cm. The smallest goalkeepers in the EPL & SPL.

You have Smith's height wrong -see my previous post! Smith is 185cm or 6ft 1.

[LaMotta]

Leighton and Rough were apparently 185 cm tall and Smith is 183

No offence, but I think his mum might have a better idea of his height than you :hilarious Smith is also 185cm.

[Donegal Hibby]

Good post

Raya is the same height as Smith at 183cm. The smallest goalkeepers in the EPL & SPL.

Both good shot-stoppers with good distribution …

https://youtu.be/gB9-WS7Vbx0?si=cdDBPw3gCKqepoqa

( 1:30 in ) …

https://youtu.be/rspxJdVdpzA?si=1rGAQihQxLGT3AAZ

[Bridge hibs]

Good post

Raya is the same height as Smith at 183cm. The smallest goalkeepers in the EPL & SPL.Trevor Carson is only 6ft

[PHeffernan]

Trevor Carson is only 6ft

Carson is 183 or 185cm tall, depending on what source you look at.
Jon McCracken is the Dundee keeper at the moment and is 190 cm tall.

[JohnM1875]

Someone asked his ma on Twitter 😂 who has confirmed 6’1” debate over.

[easty]

Someone asked his ma on Twitter 😂 who has confirmed 6’1” debate over.

My mum says I’m the most handsome guy in the world.

I’m definitely one of them, but maybe not the most…

Mums aren’t always to be trusted.

[SHODAN]

Jordon Smit

[LaMotta]

My mum says I’m the most handsome guy in the world.

I’m definitely one of them, but maybe not the most…

Mums aren’t always to be trusted.

I played against South Gyle once and there is no doubt both you and your Mum are embelishing the truth.:greengrin

[hfc-1875]

He’s been decent enough but still need a new number 1 in the summer.

[easty]

I played against South Gyle once and there is no doubt both you and your Mum are embelishing the truth.:greengrin

:greengrin

[LaMotta]

Jack Butland with an absolute howler today.:cool2:

https://x.com/Goals360hub/status/1895855753120137653

[PHeffernan]

Jack Butland with an absolute howler today.:cool2:

https://x.com/Goals360hub/status/1895855753120137653

Two mistakes.
Butland has lost the plot this season.
Not concentrating again.

[hibsbollah]

He’s been decent enough but still need a new number 1 in the summer.

This isnt the Craig Gordon thread :dunno:

[The Harp]

Massive opportunity for Jordan Smith today, to really endear himself to the Hibs support. Hope he continues his fine form and rises to the occasion. Having said that, I hope he has virtually nothing to do.

'mon the Hibs.

[Cooshed Kid]

Massive opportunity for Jordan Smith today, to really endear himself to the Hibs support. Hope he continues his fine form and rises to the occasion. Having said that, I hope he has virtually nothing to do.

'mon the Hibs.

He has sufficiently endeared himself to many of us already.

[DaveF]

He has sufficiently endeared himself to many of us already.

Not today. *****

[Chorley Hibee]

As someone said the other day.

"We've been winning games in spite of him, not because of him".

Ten minutes in and he's already spooned out a shot straight at him and cost us a goal.

We need significantly better going forward.

[lyonhibs]

As someone said the other day.

"We've been winning games in spite of him, not because of him".

Ten minutes in and he's already spooned out a shot straight at him and cost us a goal.

We need significantly better going forward.

Agree with your last sentence but the quote is a load of pish.

[Paul1642]

Having just watched their goal back, it’s far from a cert that he would have come for it. He had two defenders goal side of the ball.

Actually think it’s a stronger shout that Gordon should have come for Boyle’s goal when you compare the two.

[hibsbollah]

Having just watched their goal back, it’s far from a cert that he would have come for it. He had two defenders goal side of the ball.

Actually think it’s a stronger shout that Gordon should have come for Boyle’s goal when you compare the two.

Also deserves credit for two excellent interventions 2nd half.

[Ribs1875]

If Jordan Smith has played 2 derby matches and won 2 derby matches, then stop complaining. Let's not forget not so long ago we had clown, Zibbi, McNeil, Maka, G.Smith and M.Brown who all made headlines by costing us derby matches. 8 years in a row of it.

[Northernhibee]

Looks to me like both Rocky and Smith were waiting on a call from each other, and if there wasn’t one then it would be on Rocky to boot it out at the best available part of the pitch.

[Bridge hibs]

If Jordan Smith has played 2 derby matches and won 2 derby matches, then stop complaining. Let's not forget not so long ago we had clown, Zibbi, McNeil, Maka, G.Smith and M.Brown who all made headlines by costing us derby matches. 8 years in a row of it.

I would give McNeil some credit over that lot, cup winner for hibs

[tonyrougier123]

Two things can be highlighted in our turn around, change in shape and change in goalie, Jordan smith brings a lot of strengths to the team, interacts so well with defence and always looks to get us on the front foot quickly. Some superb reaction saves and mixes up his distribution well.

[Centre Hawf]

I'm not going to spend too much time worrying about Smith as I do think he's the best keeper we have so we're obviously going to carry on with him regardless. But I will say there have been a couple moments in the past 7 days that make you think 'wouldn't mind you tightening that up a bit pal'.

It's his spot to lose for next season still as it stands though. He's not the best keeper I've ever seen, but he doesn't make me fearful like others that have come before him.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Looks to me like both Rocky and Smith were waiting on a call from each other, and if there wasn’t one then it would be on Rocky to boot it out at the best available part of the pitch.
Spot on. If in any doubt clear your lines and discuss it after.

[LaMotta]

Having just watched their goal back, it’s far from a cert that he would have come for it. He had two defenders goal side of the ball.

Actually think it’s a stronger shout that Gordon should have come for Boyle’s goal when you compare the two.

:agree: Thought at the time he should have come for it, but having watched back I think defenders need to deal with it - but they put each other off.

Good second half from Smith, some good distribution. Someone above criticised his save from the Shankland effort early on - I think he actually did well there, ball bounced right in front of him.

[500miles]

Could have done better for the goal. Just needs to clear Rocky out if necessary.

However, wouldn't call it a howler. We were getting regular howlers before he stepped in. He's a back up keeper doing well for the time being, and could have a long career here.

[Northernhibee]

Could have done better for the goal. Just needs to clear Rocky out if necessary.

However, wouldn't call it a howler. We were getting regular howlers before he stepped in. He's a back up keeper doing well for the time being, and could have a long career here.
For me, Rocky reverts back to letting the ball bounce and then makes a poor decision to play it back into play.

He was good for the rest of the game though.

[BILLYHIBS]

Same thing happened last week for Maeda’s goal

Rocky and Smith need to work on their communication at the TC next week before going to Celtic Park

Said on the Match Thread last week if we had Schmeichel in goal he would have launched the ball and Maeda into the East

Get it sorted Hibs

[He's here!]

Feels as tho some are still almost wanting him to make a glaring error to prove a point rather than just accepting he's stepped up to the plate with aplomb. He's been great for us.

[DH1875]

Could have done better for the goal. Just needs to clear Rocky out if necessary.

However, wouldn't call it a howler. We were getting regular howlers before he stepped in. He's a back up keeper doing well for the time being, and could have a long career here.

Just back so haven't seen any replay. Should he not have saved the shot or at least got to the ball? Looked dodgy again to me.

[givescotlandfreedom]

I'm not writing him off but (without seeing it back) he made the same mistake as against Celtic by not coming for the ball at their goal.
We all make mistakes but learn and never make the same one twice.

[Paul1642]

Same thing happened last week for Maeda’s goal

Rocky and Smith need to work on their communication at the TC next week before going to Celtic Park

Said on the Match Thread last week if we had Schmeichel in goal he would have launched the ball and Maeda into the East

Get it sorted Hibs

Aye but we don’t have a premiership winner / FA cup winner with over 800 games played, including over 100 international apps.

Smith is good enough for a SPL team competing for 3rd. Our results and goals conceded since he entered the starting 11 speak for themselves.

[hibsbollah]

Same thing happened last week for Maeda’s goal

Rocky and Smith need to work on their communication at the TC next week before going to Celtic Park

Said on the Match Thread last week if we had Schmeichel in goal he would have launched the ball and Maeda into the East

Get it sorted Hibs

‘If we had Schmeicel in goal…’

The Dane is having an unbelievable season and Celtic got themselves an absolute bargain paying many times what we could afford, and even then hes now worth much more than that, he could easily be at one of the worlds top clubs.

Lets be sensible here.

[BILLYHIBS]

Yeah ok let me put it another way just come off your *****ing line and clear the ball taking Rocky and their man with it if need be

Not like the Millwall keeper obviously 😀

[GRA]

Three games in a row you could argue he's made mistakes and gotten away with it each time due to VAR/us winning regardless. However, 2nd half he was much better, some good corner punches under pressure and came of his line when he needed to.

[Pretty Boy]

It was a mistake but he learned from it quickly. His starting position was much better 2nd half and he came and claimed or cleared at least 2 or 3 through balls that could have caused us problems.

We need someone to come in and compete. I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise but Smith has done ok.

[hfc-1875]

Don’t mean to put a dampener on things but he is bang average, hope he gets away with it til the end of the season then get a new number 1 in the summer.

[JohnM1875]

It was a mistake but he learned from it quickly. His starting position was much better 2nd half and he came and claimed or cleared at least 2 or 3 through balls that could have caused us problems.

We need someone to come in and compete. I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise but Smith has done ok.

Totally. Was clearly spoken to at HT and came and collected/cleared well second half.

[wookie70]

He is having a wee shaky spell with misjudging crosses and lack of communication with balls falling between him and Rocky. Thankfully the mistakes haven't cost us and hopefully he can get back into form again. He has been fine since coming in overall but I would want a new Keeper next year who will either keep Jordan on his toes or take over from him.

[easty]

I blamed him for the hearts goal earlier, just seen it back and there’s nae way he’s at fault.

[Alfred E Newman]

Rocky probably should have taken control and booted it away into the stand for a corner. I think Smith was probably expecting Smith or Iredale to nod it back to him. Thankfully it didn’t matter a jot.

[7Hero]

aye ok he's been at fault for the past 3 games...

but we're 15 unbeaten and just beat the farts for the 2nd time this season..

anyone complaining needs to have a good look at themselves..

as for me im enjoying another beer...

[LaMotta]

I blamed him for the hearts goal earlier, just seen it back and there’s nae way he’s at fault.

:agree:

Clear from this it's the defenders who need to deal:

28590

[JohnM1875]

:agree:

Clear from this it's the defenders who need to deal:

28590

Haven’t seen it back yet but disagree. The ball is bouncing towards the keeper there and he doesn’t move from that spot.

Anyway, who gives a ****!

[LaMotta]

Haven’t seen it back yet but disagree. The ball is bouncing towards the keeper there and he doesn’t move from that spot.

Anyway, who gives a ****!

Watch it back! :greengrin I genuinely don't think he would get out to it as its a high bounce, rather than rolling through.

[PHeffernan]

Smith played well today.

If we have to blame someone for the goal it has to be Iredale or Rocky.
Iredale makes a very poor clearance that goes to Spittal who passes to Shankland who knocks the ball forward.
Iredale gets in Rocky's way as he tries to clear the ball. Either Rocky or Iredale should have sent the ball over the Famous Five stand for a corner.
In Iredales defence he is trying to keep himself between Wilson and the ball.

[JohnM1875]

Watch it back!

Definitely will do! As soon as I’ve stopped watching the Iredale clip on repeat, so might be a wee while.

[LaMotta]

Definitely will do! As soon as I’ve stopped watching the Iredale clip on repeat, so might be a wee while.

Here's the clip mate:

https://x.com/ScotlandSky/status/1896179336786465126

Co comms doesn't even mention the keeper which I think says a lot.

[JohnM1875]

Here's the clip mate:

https://x.com/ScotlandSky/status/1896179336786465126

Co comms doesn't even mention the keeper which I think says a lot.

Yup. Absolutely on the defenders, fair enough!

[Smartie]

:agree:

Clear from this it's the defenders who need to deal:

28590

I think Smith is blameless for the goal.

It’s an awkward wee ball for the defenders to deal with and I think Rocky would be forgiven for thumping it out for a corner.

Poor clearance into a poor area. The goal is on Rocky, albeit they played him into a bit of a pickle.

The shot was cleanly hit and even if it’s fairly central, it’s hit well enough from close enough in that he can’t do anything about it.

Correctly deserves criticism for mistakes in the games against Celtic and United, blameless today.

And a quietly competent second half today too.

[LaMotta]

Yup. Absolutely on the defenders, fair enough!

:aok:

[JohnM1875]

:aok:

Mental eh? Fair enough I’m west upper nearer the away end, but I was convinced it was all on Smith. Nothing of the sort.

[Glory Lurker]

I blamed him for the hearts goal earlier, just seen it back and there’s nae way he’s at fault.

At the game, I couldn't believe that he hadn't taken control and cleared it. Just goes to show you that eye witness evidence isn't the most reliable! It wasn't at all his ball to deal with.

[LaMotta]

Mental eh? Fair enough I’m west upper nearer the away end, but I was convinced it was all on Smith. Nothing of the sort.

I was closer in West Lower, I thought he looked ropey and my mate was adamant it was Smith to blame.

I mentioned earlier in the thread that keepers get it tough from people, I still think that's the case, with every thing they do micro analysed!

[Hibs Go Bragh]

https://youtu.be/1Ing7YHrQR8?si=otkaiarjtXIoMAWh

About 2:40 in. Great view of it. All on Rocky for me and Smith completely blameless.

[Brightside]

No offence, but I think his mum might have a better idea of his height than you :hilarious Smith is also 185cm.

His mum is lying. :greengrin. Honestly, he was with us again post match. He's not taller than me and I'm only "just" 5ft11. He's a lovely guy, and decent enough keeper, but he is pretty small. :greengrin

[Brightside]

I was closer in West Lower, I thought he looked ropey and my mate was adamant it was Smith to blame.

I mentioned earlier in the thread that keepers get it tough from people, I still think that's the case, with every thing they do micro analysed!

We are also West Lower and everyone thought it was Smudgers fault. Then saw the clip at full time and all changed our mind. There is deffo a comms issues between rocky and smith. They need to work on that.

[Donegal Hibby]

https://youtu.be/1Ing7YHrQR8?si=otkaiarjtXIoMAWh

About 2:40 in. Great view of it. All on Rocky for me and Smith completely blameless.

I think Smith isn’t at fault either but is a case of both defenders being at fault . Iredale could have cleared it but he’d have had to do so with his weaker foot which Rocky ended up having to do . Definitely something to work on all the same. ( 0:35 in ) ..

https://youtu.be/Z54VYTbyV84?si=Pq2Xg31ZRnTouMf2

[Northernhibee]

I think Smith isn’t at fault either but is a case of both defenders being at fault . Iredale could have cleared it but he’d have had to do so with his weaker foot which Rocky ended up having to do . Definitely something to work on all the same. ( 0:35 in ) ..

https://youtu.be/Z54VYTbyV84?si=Pq2Xg31ZRnTouMf2

It would have been preferable for Rocky to put it out for a corner than what he did.

[Donegal Hibby]

It would have been preferable for Rocky to put it out for a corner than what he did.

It’s one that there will be different opinions on , for me the ball played by Shankland is behind Rocky and Iredale has a better chance of clearing it than Rocky at first even though he is shielding the hertz player. When Rocky does get to it I think it’s taken a slight deflection of Iredale possibly, bad goal to lose but I agreed with Lovell in it was both defenders that were at fault rather than it being solely on one .

[Northernhibee]

It’s one that there will be different opinions on , for me the ball played by Shankland is behind Rocky and Iredale has a better chance of clearing it than Rocky at first even though he is shielding the hertz player. When Rocky does get to it I think it’s taken a slight deflection of Iredale possibly, bad goal to lose but I agreed with Lovell in it was both defenders that were at fault rather than it being solely on one .

I think that’s probably fair that Iredale also shares some blame as he could also have hoofed it out, but for me no blame is on the keeper.

[Donegal Hibby]

I think that’s probably fair that Iredale also shares some blame as he could also have hoofed it out, but for me no blame is on the keeper.

Agree about the keeper.

[Bushwoof]

To be fair to Rocky, at the time he probably thought he could clear it upfield, which was much preferable to giving away a corner. And he could have done, but it just didn't turn out that way. So all down to defensive shortcomings - it wasn't a particularly dangerous situation and there's no way Smith should have been expected to come out for the ball when he had 2 team mates who had it 'under control'.

[JohnM1875]

Contract extension to 2028, can't really argue with that.

Well played, Smudge;

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2025/march/08/jordan-smith-signs-new-deal-/

[HendoDelivered]

Nice one. Happy enough with that.

[Bridge hibs]

Well done Jordan, well earned 💚

[hfc-1875]

Good stuff although I think we should still be looking for a solid number 1 in the summer, more than happy with him as back up though.

[JohnM1875]

Good stuff although I think we should still be looking for a solid number 1 in the summer, more than happy with him as back up though.

Same, purely because I think we should always be looking to improve on every position where possible, But Jordan has absolutely 100% earned this extension and I'd be happy going into next season with him as our number one.

[Wilson]

Good stuff although I think we should still be looking for a solid number 1 in the summer, more than happy with him as back up though.

Behave yourself. He's clearly been signed on as our number one. Well deserved too.

[B.H.F.C]

Behave yourself. He's clearly been signed on as our number one. Well deserved too.

Don’t know that it’s that clear to be honest. We need a goalie in the summer to replace the guy that was meant to be number 1, who won’t have cost us buttons even if he’s only on loan.

Think it’s fair enough to reward him with an extension. Especially when he’s committed to it when you read about him buying a house up here etc. Still not convinced about him being number one longer term though.

[hibsbollah]

Our #1. Tremendous news.

[Stuart93]

Probably deserves it.

I can only imagine we’ll be looking for a no.1 in the summer though.

Jordan is more than capable backup

[Pretty Boy]

He's earned that.

We'll sign a keeper in the summer to compete. We aren't going to go next season with Smith, Johnson and Owens.

Smith has the gloves for now and deservedly so but I doubt the club are making any guarantees to him beyond the end of the season and nor should they be.

[J-C]

He's earned that.

We'll sign a keeper in the summer to compete. We aren't going to go next season with Smith, Johnson and Owens.

Smith has the gloves for now and deservedly so but I doubt the club are making any guarantees to him beyond the end of the season and nor should they be.

This.

Another keeper will be brought in to compete and it's up to Smith to keep the gloves when that happens, he's certainly deserved the contract.

[LewysGot2]

It's a sign that the plans for next year are quietly underway 👏