Impact of Black Knight Investment

[Just Alf]

Ideal scenario is Foley takes over.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI'd agreewith this if HSL had managed to get the 25.1% share ownership they were looking for to act as a barrier for hostile takeover/stadium being sold etc :-/

[matty_f]

It would be quite strange if all Bournmouth were offering us were reserve players that we were quite right to say no to as they’re not good enough. Especially when they gave us Marcondes and NMW in January. With Bevan potentially in the not good enough bracket, but we never got a chance to see if that was the case.

I don't think Bevan is considered in the not good enough bracket, they just extended his contract by another few years.

[ancient hibee]

Ideal scenario is Foley takes over.


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We'd be relegated.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Maybe the standard of player we expected from the BK investment money just doesn’t want to play for Hibs

[Coco Bryce]

Maybe the standard of player we expected from the BK investment money just doesn’t want to play for Hibs

This is what I think also.

[IberianHibernian]

Maybe the standard of player we expected from the BK investment money just doesn’t want to play for HibsWho is " we " here ? Major shareholders ie Gordons who might naively think any player will want to come to us or at least would come to us for a few months if Bournemouth told them to or Hibs supporters in general who were hoping for good loan signings . If the latter , surely we `d expect those signings to be in last week of window and with younger players ? Could still happen .

[Alex Trager]

I think the type of player we will get from Bournemouth will be the type to be added once our actual business is done.

I don’t think that the link up is being severed, that said if they are sending players out on loan already that is a bit unusual.

I don’t want, nor do I expect, us to build our team around loan players.

There’s no continuity there.

The link up should provide us with players that sprinkle a bit of magic dust on the squad IMO.

However, if they want to go and buy Lennon Miller and send him up here for a season or two then that would be absolutely sound.

What’s Allan Campbell doing atm as well?

I remember getting all excited when he was discussed a month or so ago, along with McCowan from Dundee.

They two would turn this midfield inside out upside down.

[HIBS NUTS]

It appears that hibs have received a 6 million investment from Foley, that has not changed anything, with players being let go , players coming in .
It’s not particularly a bad thing, as we needed an investment, because we have underperformed on the park massively.
A player that is on say £3000 a week takes out. £160,000 a year before bonuses , we need a complete clearout,

[JohnM1875]

Maybe the standard of player we expected from the BK investment money just doesn’t want to play for Hibs

Surely that's not an issue at all. If players sign for a club (lets be honest, the main club) in a set up like this then they'll go wherever Bournemouth tell them to.

What are they going to say? ‘No, send me to Derby instead’

[Glory Lurker]

I've just watched Time For Heroes. If you've not watched it for a while, then don't. It'll only slap the reality of our directionless, soulless club right in your face.

[TrinityHFC]

I've just watched Time For Heroes. If you've not watched it for a while, then don't. It'll only slap the reality of our directionless, soulless club right in your face.

You should check out the results that team got from say January to winning the cup.

Let’s just see what happens with this team eh?

[Centre Hawf]

Surely that's not an issue at all. If players sign for a club (lets be honest, the main club) in a set up like this then they'll go wherever Bournemouth tell them to.

What are they going to say? ‘No, send me to Derby instead’

The player has every right to turn down any loan move.

[JohnM1875]

The player has every right to turn down any loan move.

Of course they do, but how often do you think it actually happens in a multi-club set up?

[Centre Hawf]

Of course they do, but how often do you think it actually happens in a multi-club set up?

I would imagine there's got to be something in it for the player other than a sense of loyalty to the multi club format, can you potentially put it in their contract that they can be sent to affiliated clubs on loan at will? You see it in the City set up where guys sign for Troyes, go to Girona, sign for City after. Either there's a pathway focus or a extra bit of cash for having to shift up the road to what they might see as a lesser league or further from their family than they'd like to go.

All that being said we've ended up with Marcondes and NMW in the previous window so there must be something in it for them to come here.

[SickBoy32]

You should check out the results that team got from say January to winning the cup.

Let’s just see what happens with this team eh?

😂😂😂

That team got to 2 cup finals in that time period. The Eternal Champions. Squad packed full of talent, character and cajones.

Spoiler alert, nothing of note will happen with this squad. You just don’t see players like Newell on an open top bus (and apparently he’s the best we’ve got!)

[Trinity Hibee]

You should check out the results that team got from say January to winning the cup.

Let’s just see what happens with this team eh?

One of the strangest posts ever I’ve seen on here. Embarrassed by my neighbours comments

[Alex Trager]

You should check out the results that team got from say January to winning the cup.

Let’s just see what happens with this team eh?

Was the op not a comment/observation of the leadership of the club at the time/vs now?

[Caversham Green]

Ideal scenario is Foley takes over.


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Each to his own, but Hibs being a full subsidiary of AFC Bournemouth doesn't do it for me.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Of course they do, but how often do you think it actually happens in a multi-club set up?

I think it’s quite likely that players don’t fancy a move to Scotland on loan. Or simply the players we have been targeting of the calibre of Myziane don’t fancy it.

[RMQ1967]

I think it’s quite likely that players don’t fancy a move to Scotland on loan. Or simply the players we have been targeting of the calibre of Myziane don’t fancy it.

Doesn't seem to bother players going to the Huns or smelik.

[Hibernian Verse]

😂😂😂

That team got to 2 cup finals in that time period. The Eternal Champions. Squad packed full of talent, character and cajones.

Spoiler alert, nothing of note will happen with this squad. You just don’t see players like Newell on an open top bus (and apparently he’s the best we’ve got!)

Chris Dagnall got on an open top bus, anything is possible.

[Hibernian Verse]

I think it’s quite likely that players don’t fancy a move to Scotland on loan. Or simply the players we have been targeting of the calibre of Myziane don’t fancy it.

I've said it on the PM forum but I think it'll be the end of the window before players of Myziane's calibre will become available to Hibs. There will be levels and levels of clubs above us that will need to turn a player like that down before he ends up at Easter Road. We have nothing to offer a player like that just now, other than a platform like we did with Myz.

We have no European football and we have no consistency within our football/coaching departments.

Re the post above about Celtic & Rangers, it's apples and pears which is fairly obvious.

And I'm a happy clapper btw.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Doesn't seem to bother players going to the Huns or smelik.

Aye because we have the same global recognition. Real world talk only please

[Mcbizz1998]

The more I think about it the more I’m getting annoyed at what Foley came out with in the press. He may well be correct but ffs give David Gray a chance, he hasn’t even been in charge for 1 league game and he has in fighting going on publicly at board room level. A completely bizarre intervention from someone who claimed to want to help Hibs, so far he hasn’t done that.

[Col2]

The more I think about it the more I’m getting annoyed at what Foley came out with in the press. He may well be correct but ffs give David Gray a chance, he hasn’t even been in charge for 1 league game and he has in fighting going on publicly at board room level. A completely bizarre intervention from someone who claimed to want to help Hibs, so far he hasn’t done that.

Foley didn’t come out and undermine Gray. It was Hibs (presumed to be Gordon/ Kensall) who briefed the EEN hours later to reference Gray and Mackay where not the preference of Foley.

Clearly it was more important for Gordon/Kensall to play on the popularity of Gray (therefore justifying decision) than worrying about undermining him in his new role, while also being able to do it in the background (rather than have the balls to say it publically)

Foley not blameless at all but we would be naive if we thought a billionaire American won’t be vocal

[matty_f]

Foley didn’t come out and undermine Gray. It was Hibs (presumed to be Gordon/ Kensall) who briefed the EEN hours later to reference Gray and Mackay where not the preference of Foley.

Clearly it was more important for Gordon/Kensall to play on the popularity of Gray (therefore justifying decision) than worrying about undermining him in his new role, while also being able to do it in the background (rather than have the balls to say it publically)

Foley not blameless at all but we would be naive if we thought a billionaire American won’t be vocal

:agree:

Foley was out of order but his comments could have related to anything.

The situation needs (if it hasn't already) adults in a room to agree a way forward.

Foley and Gordon both knew the deal they were signing up to. For it to have broken down, apparently, already is not a good look for either party.

[Greenworld]

:agree:

Foley was out of order but his comments could have related to anything.

The situation needs (if it hasn't already) adults in a room to agree a way forward.

Foley and Gordon both knew the deal they were signing up to. For it to have broken down, apparently, already is not a good look for either party.Agreed it's not good but how on earth it came to this so Quickly is very strange .
My understanding is apart from MM things are not any better.
MM has agreed a player coming up from Bournemouth not got a name


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[monarch]

:agree:

Foley was out of order but his comments could have related to anything.

The situation needs (if it hasn't already) adults in a room to agree a way forward.

Foley and Gordon both knew the deal they were signing up to. For it to have broken down, apparently, already is not a good look for either party.

The terms “American billionaire” and “minority shareholder” do not sit comfortably with each other.

[Glory Lurker]

Was the op not a comment/observation of the leadership of the club at the time/vs now?

Indeed it was, thank you.

[Gordy M]

:agree:

Foley was out of order but his comments could have related to anything.

The situation needs (if it hasn't already) adults in a room to agree a way forward.

Foley and Gordon both knew the deal they were signing up to. For it to have broken down, apparently, already is not a good look for either party.

I thought Foleys comments were that there had been a breakdown(not listening) but that had changed and "they are listening now".......i took that to mean that differences had been resolved?

[bingo70]

I thought Foleys comments were that there had been a breakdown(not listening) but that had changed and "they are listening now".......i took that to mean that differences had been resolved?

I took that to mean because we lost the game to Kelty we would be more agreeable to listening to them now. I thought that was a bit presumptuous on the back of one loss so I may be wrong but that’s the way I took what he said.

[hibee-boys]

Glad we had that investment, can you imagine how worse we’d be placed as we head into the first league game otherwise🙄

[greenlex]

The powers at bd need to commune with fans and pronto. Nothing to do with direction or signings but to clarify comments and statements from both Foley and the club.
Transfer business whilst not over the moon I’m still fairly relaxed after seeing how business has been conducted in the areas that at the time needed attention. That attention needs focusing in more forward areas now and as long as business is satisfactory come the end of the window then I’m ok with that. A win or minimum a draw tomorrow would settle a few nerves. Time for focus and calm.

[JohnM1875]

Glad we had that investment, can you imagine how worse we’d be placed as we head into the first league game otherwise🙄

Totally. If the chat the Foley investment was to plug gaps in our funding, add that to the £5.5m in debt the Gordons wrote off, then there was an £11.5m gap in funds?

Unless I have that completely wrong (highly possible) then what the **** have they done with our club to have it in that state?!

[Gordy M]

I took that to mean because we lost the game to Kelty we would be more agreeable to listening to them now. I thought that was a bit presumptuous on the back of one loss so I may be wrong but that’s the way I took what he said.
Ah yeh it could be that way as well i suppose. I was hoping that any issues had now been resolved.

[matty_f]

Totally. If the chat the Foley investment was to plug gaps in our funding, add that to the £5.5m in debt the Gordons wrote off, then there was an £11.5m gap in funds?

Unless I have that completely wrong (highly possible) then what the **** have they done with our club to have it in that state?!
I don't think it was intended for that, but at the AGM when it was pitched at w expecting a European place finish and the money that would bring in, obviously we then had a catastrophic end to the season - 8th place, no top 6 income, and crucially, no European income this season which I think we were banking on to sustain the budget and to deliver the projects that £6m would have supported.

The reason they're not progressing is, I think, that we need it to sustain what will likely be significant losses.

[matty_f]

I took that to mean because we lost the game to Kelty we would be more agreeable to listening to them now. I thought that was a bit presumptuous on the back of one loss so I may be wrong but that’s the way I took what he said.

That's what I thought as well. :agree:

[Greenworld]

I don't think it was intended for that, but at the AGM when it was pitched at w expecting a European place finish and the money that would bring in, obviously we then had a catastrophic end to the season - 8th place, no top 6 income, and crucially, no European income this season which I think we were banking on to sustain the budget and to deliver the projects that £6m would have supported.

The reason they're not progressing is, I think, that we need it to sustain what will likely be significant losses.That's an interesting take that I never thought of . If that is the case then it's even more concerning position and hardly a wonder theres a bit of friction.



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[Rob]

I took that to mean because we lost the game to Kelty we would be more agreeable to listening to them now. I thought that was a bit presumptuous on the back of one loss so I may be wrong but that’s the way I took what he said.
My view is the 'not listening' comment was a careless use of words by Foley. There's a big difference between not listening to someone and not agreeing with them. Foley sits on our Board, so he clearly has a voice and will be listened to, unless other Board members are sitting with their fingers in their ears going la la la while he speaks.

More likely he feels they haven't been taking on board his advice and might start to do so going forward, even then it's not something he should have voiced in public.

[Rob]

I don't think it was intended for that, but at the AGM when it was pitched at w expecting a European place finish and the money that would bring in, obviously we then had a catastrophic end to the season - 8th place, no top 6 income, and crucially, no European income this season which I think we were banking on to sustain the budget and to deliver the projects that £6m would have supported.

The reason they're not progressing is, I think, that we need it to sustain what will likely be significant losses.
That could explain partially why we might not see all of the £6m being spent as originally envisaged Matty, but we also just raised c £2.2m in the most recent share issue, so I can't believe there is any way we had a black hole of >£8m just for finishing bottom 6 and missing out on hoped for European income. I doubt the European income amounts to a huge sum unless we were to make group stages and get the guaranteed prize money and extra games that comes with that. Will be interesting to see in the next accounts just how much we made from last season's European adventure, if it's even possible to pull that figure out from the overall revenues.

[matty_f]

That could explain partially why we might not see all of the £6m being spent as originally envisaged Matty, but we also just raised c £2.2m in the most recent share issue, so I can't believe there is any way we had a black hole of >£8m just for finishing bottom 6 and missing out on hoped for European income. I doubt the European income amounts to a huge sum unless we were to make group stages and get the guaranteed prize money and extra games that comes with that. Will be interesting to see in the next accounts just how much we made from last season's European adventure, if it's even possible to pull that figure out from the overall revenues.

We were burning through close to £200k/week in wages at the time of the AGM, we were expecting record turnover for the next financial year (which I think had just ended) which meant those wages were sustainable. We were on the back of a £3m+ operating loss though which gives your an idea of the impact those wages were having when the turnover wasn't there to support it.

The 8th place finish is a big drop in prize money, but it's also a big drop in gates post-split as we had no derby, or second visit from Rangers or Celtic, add because the team was playing brutal boring football, our own gates were down for the last few matches.

Europe is where the money is, missing out on that targetwas significant, as was failing to get to Hampden for a second time in the season.

It won't account for it all, but I think there's some squeaky bums in the higher ups at Hibs with our financial position on the back of building for fourth and finishing eighth.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We were burning through close to £200k/week in wages at the time of the AGM, we were expecting record turnover for the next financial year (which I think had just ended) which meant those wages were sustainable. We were on the back of a £3m+ operating loss though which gives your an idea of the impact those wages were having when the turnover wasn't there to support it.

The 8th place finish is a big drop in prize money, but it's also a big drop in gates post-split as we had no derby, or second visit from Rangers or Celtic, add because the team was playing brutal boring football, our own gates were down for the last few matches.

Europe is where the money is, missing out on that targetwas significant, as was failing to get to Hampden for a second time in the season.

It won't account for it all, but I think there's some squeaky bums in the higher ups at Hibs with our financial position on the back of building for fourth and finishing eighth.

Do we really reckon it cost the club THAT much?

If I was guessing, I’d have presumed about £1m max would have been lost from not getting Europe. More realistically I would have guessed about 7-800k.

If it was more than that, it goes to show how catastrophic an appointment Montgomery was as that squad should never have been bottom 6 in a million years.

[matty_f]

Do we really reckon it cost the club THAT much?

If I was guessing, I’d have presumed about £1m max would have been lost from not getting Europe. More realistically I would have guessed about 7-800k.

If it was more than that, it goes to show how catastrophic an appointment Montgomery was as that squad should never have been bottom 6 in a million years.
It depends what we expected to happen we got into Europe. I'm not sure how much we made from the last time but I would think it was a decent whack without getting to the group stages.

I don't know if we made a profit on the record turnover that Ben was talking about at the AGM, but we were running a massive loss in the last accounts.

I also don't know at what rate we're spending. We also had to pay for Monty to get sacked, plus the work on the safe standing and BTG refit, and I'm. Told season ticket revenue is also behind projections.

[JohnM1875]

Do we really reckon it cost the club THAT much?

If I was guessing, I’d have presumed about £1m max would have been lost from not getting Europe. More realistically I would have guessed about 7-800k.

If it was more than that, it goes to show how catastrophic an appointment Montgomery was as that squad should never have been bottom 6 in a million years.

Probably around £500k for finishing bottom six, not sure how many home games we were due, lets say three? so around £400kish, knock £100k off for the Aberdeen and Motherwell games we actually had. So bottom six finish probably cost us £800k.

Paying off Monty and his staff, no one will ever really know what that cost us.

Budgeting for Europe is fine, but how much do folk think we made off it last season? Three fixtures maybe a couple of mil max? Probably nowhere near that really.

Roughly £8 million put into the club since February with the BK Group buy in then subsequent share issue. I'm not having we don't have money to spend. Even including the wage ratio chat etc. We probably have four players that don't play on good wages, McKirdy, Kenneh, Jair and JDH.

[MelbourneHibees]

It depends what we expected to happen we got into Europe. I'm not sure how much we made from the last time but I would think it was a decent whack without getting to the group stages.

I don't know if we made a profit on the record turnover that Ben was talking about at the AGM, but we were running a massive loss in the last accounts.

I also don't know at what rate we're spending. We also had to pay for Monty to get sacked, plus the work on the safe standing and BTG refit, and I'm. Told season ticket revenue is also behind projections.
I seen a thing today (can't remember where now) but it mentioned that due to St Mirren's win on Thursday they are set to earn at least 900k from their Europe games this season.

[matty_f]

Probably around £500k for finishing bottom six, not sure how many home games we were due, lets say three? so around £400kish, knock £100k off for the Aberdeen and Motherwell games we actually had. So bottom six finish probably cost us £800k.

Paying off Monty and his staff, no one will ever really know what that cost us.

Budgeting for Europe is fine, but how much do folk think we made off it last season? Three fixtures maybe a couple of mil max? Probably nowhere near that really.

Roughly £8 million put into the club since February with the BK Group buy in then subsequent share issue. I'm not having we don't have money to spend. Even including the wage ratio chat etc. We probably have four players that don't play on good wages, McKirdy, Kenneh, Jair and JDH.

I don't think we're skint in the redirect of there being wolves at the door or any imminent danger, but I do think that there's little appetite from the Gordons to throw more money at the club, hence getting an investor in, and we will be looking at the current spend and thinking about what happens if we don't hit targets again this season.

We know from Malky's interviews that there's much more flexibility to rebuild the squad next season and I think we've done well to get some players off the books this summer, but I also think that the fact we've brought in two loans and three free transfers up until now is indicative that there's a need to cut cloth according to the income.

Having the lump sum in the bank is a bit of a safety net if we're going to be turning in a big loss again in a year's time.

We don't know what profit the record turnover brought in.


So not skint, but probably very conscious of what about bad season might do.

Bear in mind we got a stinking draw in the Premier Sports Cup, so already there's a good chance (though not guaranteed, we could still win) that we could be down on one competition's income before the season's even got properly underway.

It is what it is, I hope I'm miles off with it. We're clearly going to bring more players in based on what Kensell said on LinkedIn - which was always going to be the case, so there's obviously some room for spending.

[JohnM1875]

I don't think we're skint in the redirect of there being wolves at the door or any imminent danger, but I do think that there's little appetite from the Gordons to throw more money at the club, hence getting an investor in, and we will be looking at the current spend and thinking about what happens if we don't hit targets again this season.

We know from Malky's interviews that there's much more flexibility to rebuild the squad next season and I think we've done well to get some players off the books this summer, but I also think that the fact we've brought in two loans and three free transfers up until now is indicative that there's a need to cut cloth according to the income.

Having the lump sum in the bank is a bit of a safety net if we're going to be turning in a big loss again in a year's time.

We don't know what profit the record turnover brought in.


So not skint, but probably very conscious of what about bad season might do.

Bear in mind we got a stinking draw in the Premier Sports Cup, so already there's a good chance (though not guaranteed, we could still win) that we could be down on one competition's income before the season's even got properly underway.

It is what it is, I hope I'm miles off with it. We're clearly going to bring more players in based on what Kensell said on LinkedIn - which was always going to be the case, so there's obviously some room for spending.

Aye, I do get what you're saying. Probably just pissed off I expected to at least spend a bit of money this window (I get we still might)

I'm actually more chilled out now we've signed Myko and looks pretty likely Hoilett is on the way. In my opinion, that's five really good signings so far.

More to follow as well if BK is right. If they're of the same standard as the recruits so far then I'm much more positive about the upcoming season.

[IberianHibernian]

I don't think we're skint in the redirect of there being wolves at the door or any imminent danger, but I do think that there's little appetite from the Gordons to throw more money at the club, hence getting an investor in, and we will be looking at the current spend and thinking about what happens if we don't hit targets again this season.

We know from Malky's interviews that there's much more flexibility to rebuild the squad next season and I think we've done well to get some players off the books this summer, but I also think that the fact we've brought in two loans and three free transfers up until now is indicative that there's a need to cut cloth according to the income.

Having the lump sum in the bank is a bit of a safety net if we're going to be turning in a big loss again in a year's time.

We don't know what profit the record turnover brought in.


So not skint, but probably very conscious of what about bad season might do.

Bear in mind we got a stinking draw in the Premier Sports Cup, so already there's a good chance (though not guaranteed, we could still win) that we could be down on one competition's income before the season's even got properly underway.

It is what it is, I hope I'm miles off with it. We're clearly going to bring more players in based on what Kensell said on LinkedIn - which was always going to be the case, so there's obviously some room for spending.As we`re talking about finances , is Celtic away a " stinking draw " ? Share of gate receipts from crowd of between 25 000 and 40 000 . Last season we beat Raith and St Mirren at home ( both with crowds of about 10 000 ) before losing against Aberdeen in semis . If gate receipts of 2 semis were split between 4 semifinalists we`ll have made a fair bit but we might beat Celtic and end up complaining about low gate receipts from semi v Falkirk . Or we could have drawn Killie or St Mirren away and lost in front of 5 000 fans .

[matty_f]

As we`re talking about finances , is Celtic away a " stinking draw " ? Share of gate receipts from crowd of between 25 000 and 40 000 . Last season we beat Raith and St Mirren at home ( both with crowds of about 10 000 ) before losing against Aberdeen in semis . If gate receipts of 2 semis were split between 4 semifinalists we`ll have made a fair bit but we might beat Celtic and end up complaining about low gate receipts from semi v Falkirk . Or we could have drawn Killie or St Mirren away and lost in front of 5 000 fans .

It'll be a better than away trip to Dundee or something like that, but the crowd will be low IMHO, and well short of a semi final.

We could win, I'm not writing us off yet, but if it goes to form then it's not as lucrative as it could have been.

[JohnM1875]

As we`re talking about finances , is Celtic away a " stinking draw " ? Share of gate receipts from crowd of between 25 000 and 40 000 . Last season we beat Raith and St Mirren at home ( both with crowds of about 10 000 ) before losing against Aberdeen in semis . If gate receipts of 2 semis were split between 4 semifinalists we`ll have made a fair bit but we might beat Celtic and end up complaining about low gate receipts from semi v Falkirk . Or we could have drawn Killie or St Mirren away and lost in front of 5 000 fans .

It's a League Cup game that'll be live on TV. Attendance will be grim I reckon.

[MelbourneHibees]

It's a League Cup game that'll be live on TV. Attendance will be grim I reckon.
And on a Sunday in Glasgow.

[JohnM1875]

And on a Sunday in Glasgow.

To be fair just checked. Last time Celtic were at home in the League cup was back in 2021. Sunday 15th August against Hearts and 42k there

[AngloHibs]

To be fair just checked. Last time Celtic were at home in the League cup was back in 2021. Sunday 15th August against Hearts and 42k there

Would this have been a 'socially distanced' crowd? Limits on gatherings in Scotland weren't lifted until 8 September 2021.

Edit - perhaps not, different rules for outdoors maybe. I can't remember, it all seems so long ago. The crowd may have been boosted by people eager to get back to normality, though.

[Blaster]

To be fair just checked. Last time Celtic were at home in the League cup was back in 2021. Sunday 15th August against Hearts and 42k there

I think Celtic and Rangers now have something in place to say if you don’t buy your seat you are not guaranteed it for the next home game in that competition. Hence why their crowds for cup ties have increased recently

[GreenPJ]

I seen a thing today (can't remember where now) but it mentioned that due to St Mirren's win on Thursday they are set to earn at least 900k from their Europe games this season.

Do you know if that was net income or the prize money itself. I always think that the costs associated with European games must be pretty significant. If 900k is the net income that's pretty good

[Ozyhibby]

I’d like to hear from Foley again to be honest.


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[007]

Apparently haven't fallen out (or have kissed and made up).

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/exc-black-knights-and-hibs-still-talking-business-despite-billionaire-investor-foley-not-listening-comments-4733203

[matty_f]

Apparently haven't fallen out (or have kissed and made up).

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/exc-black-knights-and-hibs-still-talking-business-despite-billionaire-investor-foley-not-listening-comments-4733203
That’s reassuring to hear, hopefully everyone’s listening to each other now. :greengrin

[Smartie]

Was it not always going to be the case that any Black Knights business would be done later in the window?

Most clubs will know roughly where they’re at and how they might be able to help one another by that point?

[04Sauzee]

Was it not always going to be the case that any Black Knights business would be done later in the window?

Most clubs will know roughly where they’re at and how they might be able to help one another by that point?
I wonder what space we will have left for these signings? That's on the assumption we sign the likes of Bowie, Hodge and McCowan ?

LCB?
Right sided forward?

I'm making huge assumptions with the 3 signings btw 😅

[B.H.F.C]

I wonder what space we will have left for these signings? That's on the assumption we sign the likes of Bowie, Hodge and McCowan ?

LCB?
Right sided forward?

I'm making huge assumptions with the 3 signings btw 😅

Surely be a few outs as well. I reckon Megwa as we have options in that position. Harbottle, Doyle-Hayes, Delferriere, Kenneh, Youan and possibly Vente all quite likely to go. Be dependent on getting takers for some of them right enough.

[TrinityHFC]

Was it not always going to be the case that any Black Knights business would be done later in the window?

Most clubs will know roughly where they’re at and how they might be able to help one another by that point?

Yeah who knew eh?

[Bridge hibs]

That’s reassuring to hear, hopefully engines listening to each other now. :greengrin

Yeah, hopefully firing from all cylinders now mate 😁

[matty_f]

Yeah, hopefully firing from all cylinders now mate 😁

🤦😂😂

[we are hibs]

Looks like Foley is in talks to buy Portuguese club Casa Pia

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[Paul1642]

Looks like Foley is in talks to buy Portuguese club Casa Pia

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Maybe Jair would fit in there :)

[04Sauzee]

BREAKING:

AFC Bournemouth have confirmed that long-standing chief executive Neill Blake is to take on a new role at Black Knight Football Club (“BKFC”) after the closing of the summer transfer window.

In my opinion a huge part of the success at #afcb over the last 15 years.

[Hibernian Verse]

Maybe Jair would fit in there :)

That's dedication from Foley, buying a club so we can move Jair on.

[A Hi-Bee]

You would have to think that this main transfer window would show how the club set up will/should work.
We need some quality players in.

[JohnM1875]

You would have to think that this main transfer window would show how the club set up will/should work.
We need some quality players in.

If we go on to break our transfer record does it not kinda show that? Big fee for Bowie as well.

Think it'll be a gradual thing as well and not as box office or as exciting as I initially thought and hoped it would be.

[A Hi-Bee]

If we go on to break our transfer record does it not kinda show that? Big fee for Bowie as well.

Think it'll be a gradual thing as well and not as box office or as exciting as I initially thought and hoped it would be.

Agree a bit although all we hear for now is paper talk. It will be gradual, although we need players in now.

[Smartie]

You would have to think that this main transfer window would show how the club set up will/should work.
We need some quality players in.

I suspect that arrangement may be the source of the January sticking plasters.

Summers are for the golden quadrant.

[The Modfather]

I suspect that arrangement may be the source of the January sticking plasters.

Summers are for the golden quadrant.

Can Bill Foley play centre mid?

[Glory Lurker]

It's all HSL's fault, obviously.

[LunasBoots]

Well think we can safely say there's been a bit of a fall out after all.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Well think we can safely say there's been a bit of a fall out after all.

Na, honestly, there’s not. People are just being negative for the sake of being negative. We signed a goalie with 50 appearances don’t you know? :rolleyes:

[Gordy M]

Na, honestly, there’s not. People are just being negative for the sake of being negative. We signed a goalie with 50 appearances don’t you know? :rolleyes:

So it was the Gordon family stumping up £600k for bowie and allowing us to bid almost a million quid? Good for them

[matty_f]

So it was the Gordon family stumping up £600k for bowie and allowing us to bid almost a million quid? Good for them

Or we spent it from income.

If the Gordons did pay for it, then they’ll take it back either as a loan or in shares which they’ll hope to make a profit in when they sell.


There’s a bit to go before it has come out of their pocket any more than any other investment they’ve made has.

[Unseen work]

I thought people never wanted us to just be inundated with Bournemouth players every window?

So far we’ve had 3 players and 6 million pounds. We don’t know about anything behind the scenes

We’ve not been in partnership with them for a year yet and swapped manager

It’s not going to be an overnight change

[NAE NOOKIE]

As of 11pm on the 30th of September 2025 ...... NIL

[ChuckNor]

As someone who has dealt with corporate fallouts in the past, I think it is absolutely fair to say there has been a significant falling out between the two sides here. Not one loan between the clubs. No talk of BKFC helping identify a signing. Going back to Triantis.

It’s very clear something is wrong. Before I get shot down for saying this. I called the fall out last time.

[lyonhibs]

I said it at the time of the initial news, maybe even this thread, but a lot of people went gaa gaa doolally off the deep end with their expectations of how immediate and how impressive the impact of this investment would be. Rich folk don't stay rich by lobbing pots of gold down rabbit holes from the word go.

[Ozyhibby]

I said it at the time of the initial news, maybe even this thread, but a lot of people went gaa gaa doolally off the deep end with their expectations of how immediate and how impressive the impact of this investment would be. Rich folk don't stay rich by lobbing pots of gold down rabbit holes from the word go.

And certainly not without an input in how the business is run. We clearly thought otherwise.


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[Hibees1973]

I'm struggling to see what difference having the Black Knights is having on the team on the park, which is the priority.

Maybe we will see some out of contract players within the Black Knights group joining in the next few days.

Been a let down so far from the fanfare spouted by Ian Gordon & Kensell.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm struggling to see what difference having the Black Knights is having on the team on the park, which is the priority.

Maybe we will see some out of contract players within the Black Knights group joining in the next few days.

Been a let down so far from the fanfare spouted by Ian Gordon & Kensell.

How could they be out of contract and within the BK group at same time?


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[flash]

How could they be out of contract and within the BK group at same time?


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Apparently that's what Marcondes is but I might be wrong.

[LunasBoots]

I'm struggling to see what difference having the Black Knights is having on the team on the park, which is the priority.

Maybe we will see some out of contract players within the Black Knights group joining in the next few days.

Been a let down so far from the fanfare spouted by Ian Gordon & Kensell.

Doubt it, they've all fallen out.

[TrinityHFC]

Doubt it, they've all fallen out.

Bevan was definitely due to come back.

I would have hoped to have seen more from it though. MM and DG both talked about getting a core squad the getting marquee signings from BK.

I do accept though that it will take some time for the group to align its whole recruitment strategy to utilise a team at our level. We aren’t quite right for their better players on the fringes it seems so that leads to younger players just now who are probably not going to make a big difference to us.

[Eyrie]

If Bevan is that good then we should have signed him on loan and waited until he was fit to join us because there is still plenty of the season to be played. Unless he's expected to be out for several months.

[Ozyhibby]

I think we can probably forget about the BK’s until Mackay and Gray are away.


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[GreenGray]

I think we can probably forget about the BK’s until Mackay and Gray are away.


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Which seems mental? Kensell and co should be attempting to mend this relationship.

After all, it was him who promised the world back when partnership was being proposed.


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[Ozyhibby]

Which seems mental? Kensell and co should be attempting to mend this relationship.

After all, it was him who promised the world back when partnership was being proposed.


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It is mental and it’s hard to believe we could have got ourselves in this situation. The club is being run by complete fools just now.


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[we are hibs]

I reckon Foleys comments a few weeks back was him distancing himself from whatever happens this season.

My gut feeling is that the black knights will own the majority of the club this time next year and the Gordons and Kensell will be gone. Which is why he's made it clear none of this is his doing and when he takes control, they can't be judged on what happens this season.

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[GreenGray]

It is mental and it’s hard to believe we could have got ourselves in this situation. The club is being run by complete fools just now.


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Agreed, it’s soul destroying.

The quicker more fans realise how much of a fraud Kensell is the better.

We need new owners.


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[JohnM1875]

I reckon Foleys comments a few weeks back was him distancing himself from whatever happens this season.

My gut feeling is that the black knights will own the majority of the club this time next year and the Gordons and Kensell will be gone. Which is why he's made it clear none of this is his doing and when he takes control, he can't be judged on what happens this season.

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They cant own the club though? It's against the current rules.

I think the SFA have said they might review individual cases, but not sure they'd approve Black Knights owning a majority.

[TrinityHFC]

Agreed, it’s soul destroying.

The quicker more fans realise how much of a fraud Kensell is the better.

We need new owners.


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All because we are possibly lacking an attacking midfielder? And we tried to buy one for not far off £1m.

Are all our signings being totally written off? Otherwise what is the evidence of the club currently being a shambles?

[GreenGray]

I reckon Foleys comments a few weeks back was him distancing himself from whatever happens this season.

My gut feeling is that the black knights will own the majority of the club this time next year and the Gordons and Kensell will be gone. Which is why he's made it clear none of this is his doing and when he takes control, they can't be judged on what happens this season.

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Unless the league changes the rules around multi-ownership, this is impossible.

I do wonder if it has been indicated that it could happen though. Foley only taking a minority stake doesn’t make much sense when you look at his other clubs.

I was happy with minority investment but majority ownership turns it into a different conversation for me, I wouldn’t be comfortable with it.

If that does happen it’ll be The Gordons and Kensell who got us into this mess.


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[we are hibs]

They cant own the club though? It's against the current rules.

I think the SFA have said they might review individual cases, but not sure they'd approve Black Knights owning a majority.Rules can be changed. This was from an article from the sun last October.


"And the SFA board are believed to have changed their policy - and are now willing to discuss any approach for a 50.1-per-cent stake in a Scottish club from an existing club owner on a case-by-case basis."

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[GreenGray]

All because we are possibly lacking an attacking midfielder? And we tried to buy one for not far off £1m.

Are all our signings being totally written off? Otherwise what is the evidence of the club currently being a shambles?

Their track record for signings is largely awful.

Every managerial appointment has been a failure (too early to judge Gray).

They are amateurs and rookies. This club isn’t a play thing for them to try things out.

There is no long term strategy, it’s a case of trying stuff, ripping it up when it goes wrong and starting again, all whilst asking fans to “trust the process”

It’s becoming increasingly harder to trust a process that has shown to be a failure so far.

We won’t contend for third under this ownership, no way.

I hoped appointing Malky Mackay might help, bringing in someone with football experience.

But he appears to just be another appointment for the boys and has seamlessly slotted in to the “golden quadrant of leadership” with the other chancers.


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[K-Zazu]

I reckon Foleys comments a few weeks back was him distancing himself from whatever happens this season.

My gut feeling is that the black knights will own the majority of the club this time next year and the Gordons and Kensell will be gone. Which is why he's made it clear none of this is his doing and when he takes control, they can't be judged on what happens this season.

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Wouldn’t be allowed, owns a club in England.

[Hibees1973]

All because we are possibly lacking an attacking midfielder? And we tried to buy one for not far off £1m.

Are all our signings being totally written off? Otherwise what is the evidence of the club currently being a shambles?

Come on Trinity.

All the evidence you need is on the first page of the Summer Transfers thread. All these players in/out, loans, etc in one transfer window. Don't know what represents a shambles in your book but most people would regard this as clear evidence.

You may regard things being put right in this window. Guess we will all see in the near future if this is correct.

The Black Knights was seen a a game changing deal by Ian Gordon & Ben Kensell. Their words. I think if you look at our current goalkeeper, defence and midfield this is not the case. For the first transfer window after the Black Knights deal it seems our lot have not utilised them at all.

[bingo70]

All because we are possibly lacking an attacking midfielder? And we tried to buy one for not far off £1m.

Are all our signings being totally written off? Otherwise what is the evidence of the club currently being a shambles?

I don’t know about being written off but if I’m judging them on what I’ve seen so far I think the goalie and two defenders look very poor imo. I’ve seen enough of Josh Campbell and Joe Newell to know they can’t be relied upon in midfield. That to me says we’ve got a very poor goalie, defence and midfield.

When we’ve just signed 11 players that’s a shambles to still feel like that when we should still be full of early season optimism at this stage.

[Ozyhibby]

It would have been nice to know when Mackay and Gray were appointed it was at the expense of losing the backing of the BK’s. We could have judged the appointments properly at that point.


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[Real Emerald]

All because we are possibly lacking an attacking midfielder? And we tried to buy one for not far off £1m.

Are all our signings being totally written off? Otherwise what is the evidence of the club currently being a shambles?

You could have easily said we tried to buy Messi for not much short of £100m, we failed and have been left with a crap goalkeeper, crap midfield and what looks like a crap defence. If you’re happy with it then that’s fine I’m certainly not.

[TrinityHFC]

Come on Trinity.

All the evidence you need is on the first page of the Summer Transfers thread. All these players in/out, loans, etc in one transfer window. Don't know what represents a shambles in your book but most people would regard this as clear evidence.

You may regard things being put right in this window. Guess we will all see in the near future if this is correct.

The Black Knights was seen a a game changing deal by Ian Gordon & Ben Kensell. Their words. I think if you look at our current goalkeeper, defence and midfield this is not the case. For the first transfer window after the Black Knights deal it seems our lot have not utilised them at all.

I don’t think the Hibs.net transfer thread is the place that’s going to evidence the success or otherwise of our signings. That’ll be on the pitch eventually. However, a few people have already decided the whole club is a shambles based on it. Each to their own.

[blackpoolhibs]

I don’t think the Hibs.net transfer thread is the place that’s going to evidence the success or otherwise of our signings. That’ll be on the pitch eventually. However, a few people have already decided the whole club is a shambles based on it. Each to their own.

Not me, i've just decided our keeper is poor, both full backs poor, and out of our 3 central defenders, Rocky at this moment in time looks the best. I'm not counting the new one from Bolton, not seen him yet.

Our midfield is slow and pedestrian, but you know this already, you have eyes i presume?

Up front we are decent, in fact as good as any club in the league bar Celtic.

[Phil MaGlass]

How about a poll, do you think the clubs a shambles, yes or no?

[Pretty Green]

How about a poll, do you think the clubs a shambles, yes or no?

No

[Cabbage-Patch]

How about a poll, do you think the clubs a shambles, yes or no?

Yes

[Bridge hibs]

How about a poll, do you think the clubs a shambles, yes or no?

Start one then

[Hibiza]

Is the relationship between the Bks and our board non existent ?

[CropleyWasGod]

Is the relationship between the Bks and our board non existent ?

2 of them are on the Board.

[The Modfather]

Bournemouth sitting unbeaten and with 5 points after 3 games. Looking likely they will have another strong season. Let’s keep doing things our way and see if we can build on an 8th place finish last season and try and sack less than 2 managers this season as part of the process.

[Glory Lurker]

How about a poll, do you think the clubs a shambles, yes or no?

Your suggestion is splitting opinion. I'd suggest we have a poll about whether to have a poll on whether the club is a shambles.

[greenlex]

Your suggestion is splitting opinion. I'd suggest we have a poll about whether to have a poll on whether the club is a shambles.
This is a shambles.