Impact of Black Knight Investment

[Brightside]

Was told there is no money and our recruitment will depend on outgoings,
I hope you are right and my info is wrong

Striker coming in any day now.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Striker coming in any day now.

We live in hope

[04Sauzee]

Striker coming in any day now.

Something you have heard? Or just hope 😅

If it's something you have heard, any clues or names.

Dm's are always open I'm very discreet 😁😁😁

[gorgie greens]

If no one else will ask I’ll do it. What did Foley say to Ian Gordon?

He was told to "get a f@@king grip ,you are the owner and not head of recruitment.
Hire and fire the guys to do the job and start like acting like the owner.
IG has since shunned Black Knights since.
IG has also not seen eye to eye with MM over who IG wants to sign .

[gorgie greens]

Striker coming in any day now.

But to what quality?
is it an IG signing

[BoomtownHibees]

Something you have heard? Or just hope 😅

If it's something you have heard, any clues or names.

Dm's are always open I'm very discreet 😁😁😁

Guesswork

[Pedantic_Hibee]

He was told to "get a f@@king grip ,you are the owner and not head of recruitment.
Hire and fire the guys to do the job and start like acting like the owner.
IG has since shunned Black Knights since.
IG has also not seen eye to eye with MM over who IG wants to sign .

Said it a few days ago, but if this is true then it’s high time we started to make life very, very uncomfortable for Ian Gordon.

[LeithMike]

Black Knights are a minority shareholder and don’t make the final decision

As always the majority shareholder has the final say.



Who’s going to tell Jim Ratcliffe?


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[gorgie greens]

Said it a few days ago, but if this is true then it’s high time we started to make life very, very uncomfortable for Ian Gordon.

His mum is the only one that can take his toys off him

[Brightside]

Guesswork

Aye that’s what it was. 😂

[LunasBoots]

He was told to "get a f@@king grip ,you are the owner and not head of recruitment.
Hire and fire the guys to do the job and start like acting like the owner.
IG has since shunned Black Knights since.
IG has also not seen eye to eye with MM over who IG wants to sign .

Not surprised some of the issues have been people who shouldn't be to involved in things they shouldn't be involved in them, this isn't a new issue.

[Rumble de Thump]

He was told to "get a f@@king grip ,you are the owner and not head of recruitment.
Hire and fire the guys to do the job and start like acting like the owner.
IG has since shunned Black Knights since.
IG has also not seen eye to eye with MM over who IG wants to sign .

I'm not sure if anyone really needs to be told, but I can confirm you've just plucked that out of your backside. Complete and utter driver. How you've lasted so long on this site is anyone's guess.

[TrinityHFC]

He was told to "get a f@@king grip ,you are the owner and not head of recruitment.
Hire and fire the guys to do the job and start like acting like the owner.
IG has since shunned Black Knights since.
IG has also not seen eye to eye with MM over who IG wants to sign .

Sounds legit.

[Paul1642]

Do Americans even say “get a grip”. I always had it down as a British thing.

[gorgie greens]

Sounds legit.

IG wanted to sign some player and Malky refused to put his name to it as he never even heard of him .

[HibbyAndy]

Aye that’s what it was. 😂

So who we signing then ?

[may 21/05/2016]

IG wanted to sign some player and Malky refused to put his name to it as he never even heard of him .Nonsense

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[flash]

I got that WhatsApp message too. It's doing the rounds.

No idea on the authenticity.

[ian cruise]

Striker coming in any day now.

Aligns with my theory that the reason we've been quiet on that front is we put an offer to Myziane that we knew probably still wasn't enough but needed to wait for definite confirmation before moving on to other targets. He's the sort of player that is worth waiting for just in case the unbelievable happens.

[A Hi-Bee]

5 year plan going well.

[jeffers]

He was told to "get a f@@king grip ,you are the owner and not head of recruitment. Hire and fire the guys to do the job and start like acting like the owner. IG has since shunned Black Knights since.IG has also not seen eye to eye with MM over who IG wants to sign .You are getting a bit of a hard time for this post and while I can’t claim to be aware of any conversation Foley has had with anyone at Hibs it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if IG is refusing to back off from the recruitment side of things. When MM was appointed I’d hoped it would see IG step away, but all I ever hear with regards him is that it’s his passion.

[degenerated]

Said it a few days ago, but if this is true then it’s high time we started to make life very, very uncomfortable for Ian Gordon.If :hilarious

[ian cruise]

IG wanted to sign some player and Malky refused to put his name to it as he never even heard of him .

There could be absolute truth in the part that Ian Gordon went to Malky and co with a player, we know he likes player identification (no need to debate if he's any good at it), but that doesn't mean he said "we're signing this player and Malky said F off.

Could simply be" Would this player fit in with the plans?"and MacKay says no we can do better. It's well known that signings are discussed by a panel, no need to twist it in to something sinister.

[GreenPJ]

IG wanted to sign some player and Malky refused to put his name to it as he never even heard of him .

And so what if he did. Puts forward a name and football person says no. Move on.

[Callum_62]

If the owner wants to sign a player - we will sign him

So, where and who is this mythical player?

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[Gordy M]

If the owner wants to sign a player - we will sign him So, where and who is this mythical player?Sent from my Pixel 7 Pro using TapatalkThat was my thinking, if IG wants a player then surely he just signs him....and why is he asking MM? That would suggest MM is in charge of signing players? No?

[gorgie greens]

You are getting a bit of a hard time for this post and while I can’t claim to be aware of any conversation Foley has had with anyone at Hibs it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if IG is refusing to back off from the recruitment side of things. When MM was appointed I’d hoped it would see IG step away, but all I ever hear with regards him is that it’s his passion.

The guy that told me is very credible and it is up to people to make their own minds up .
At the end of the window when we end up with nothing more than jersey fillers .

[Gordy M]

The guy that told me is very credible and it is up to people to make their own minds up .At the end of the window when we end up with nothing more than jersey fillers .But why is IG asking McKay if he is not in charge of recruitment?

[jeffers]

That was my thinking, if IG wants a player then surely he just signs him....and why is he asking MM? That would suggest MM is in charge of signing players? No?

How long would IG expect MM to stick about if he continues to sign players the DoF and manager doesn’t want ?

[Gordy M]

How long would IG expect MM to stick about if he continues to sign players the DoF and manager doesn’t want ?Well thats kinda my point, IG can get involved all he wants, if MM is making the final decisions it matters not a bit what IG recommends?

[jeffers]

Well thats kinda my point, IG can get involved all he wants, if MM is making the final decisions it matters not a bit what IG recommends?

Got you. I don’t believe one individual is make the ultimate decision on who is signed.

[Gordy M]

Got you. I don’t believe one individual is make the ultimate decision on who is signed.Yeh, Im sure MM and SDG are involved and i suppose there will be someone deciding if we can afford it as well, which gives me a bit more comfort than just our owner signing who he wants.

[K-Zazu]

Zero impact by the looks of it.

[RIP]

So much fun reading the wild imaginations of posters with so-called ITK insights into what goes on in the Hibs boardroom. All seemingly desperate to demonise our principal shareholder.

Out of interest, which set of fans have most to gain from exaggerating stories of problems with Hibs owners.

Sniff! Sniff!

[The Modfather]

Hibs seem determined to create a disconnect with the support, it’s very bizarre and self defeating.

We had a 3rd footballing review/change of strategy. With the apparent core criteria being to recruit people, but only if they didn’t cost compensation. So there was scepticism about recruiting from within and someone with a relationship with the chairman, and who coincidentally didn’t cost a fee. How do Hibs address that, wait 5 weeks (or however long it was) to do an interview with the new manager.

We’ve had an interview from Mackay, though I didn’t see it as it was behind a paywall. We haven’t heard from David Marshall or had any insight into what he will be doing and what his role entails.

We haven’t clarified how the club will fit into the BK group and how Mackay will work with whoever it was that was appointed to oversee the clubs in the group being aligned.

We haven’t addressed Foley’s criticism. Except to feed a news story that not everyone at the club wanted Gray and Mackay.

We haven’t clarified/updated what infrastructure projects (e.g. indoor pitch) are confirmed and timelines etc.

None of the above even mentions the valid concerns about the transfer window up to this point.

Hibs seem to have gone to ground and either aren’t aware of the mood within the fan base or are making an absolute mess of everything and keeping the shambles in house as they fight fires.

[B.H.F.C]

Hibs seem determined to create a disconnect with the support, it’s very bizarre and self defeating.

We had a 3rd footballing review/change of strategy. With the apparent core criteria being to recruit people, but only if they didn’t cost compensation. So there was scepticism about recruiting from within and someone with a relationship with the chairman, and who coincidentally didn’t cost a fee. How do Hibs address that, wait 5 weeks (or however long it was) to do an interview with the new manager.

We’ve had an interview from Mackay, though I didn’t see it as it was behind a paywall. We haven’t heard from David Marshall or had any insight into what he will be doing and what his role entails.

We haven’t clarified how the club will fit into the BK group and how Mackay will work with whoever it was that was appointed to oversee the clubs in the group being aligned.

We haven’t addressed Foley’s criticism. Except to feed a news story that not everyone at the club wanted Gray and Mackay.

We haven’t clarified/updated what infrastructure projects (e.g. indoor pitch) are confirmed and timelines etc.

None of the above even mentions the valid concerns about the transfer window up to this point.

Hibs seem to have gone to ground and either aren’t aware of the mood within the fan base or are making an absolute mess of everything and keeping the shambles in house as they fight fires.

Last paragraph, I think they’re well aware and rather than be big boys about it, have just decided to go to ground.

When the investment was going through you couldn’t shut Kensell up. It just has a horrible, horrible feel about it at the moment.

[Heisenberg]

What Foley said about believing those in charge would now listen to their input is still interesting to me, wonder what has sparked this supposed change in thinking from our side. My initial thought was we’d see a couple of youngsters on loan from them pretty quickly but doesn’t seem to be the case so far.

[K-Zazu]

So if Foley is saying that hopefully we will start listening now etc.. what does that mean? Get rid of SDG and MM? Take some youngsters on loan from Bournemouth?

[ancient hibee]

Of course they’ll listen and then do what they want.

[Wilson]

The guy that told me is very credible and it is up to people to make their own minds up .
At the end of the window when we end up with nothing more than jersey fillers .

Who he play for?

[Lago]

Hibs seem determined to create a disconnect with the support, it’s very bizarre and self defeating.We had a 3rd footballing review/change of strategy. With the apparent core criteria being to recruit people, but only if they didn’t cost compensation. So there was scepticism about recruiting from within and someone with a relationship with the chairman, and who coincidentally didn’t cost a fee. How do Hibs address that, wait 5 weeks (or however long it was) to do an interview with the new manager.We’ve had an interview from Mackay, though I didn’t see it as it was behind a paywall. We haven’t heard from David Marshall or had any insight into what he will be doing and what his role entails.We haven’t clarified how the club will fit into the BK group and how Mackay will work with whoever it was that was appointed to oversee the clubs in the group being aligned.We haven’t addressed Foley’s criticism. Except to feed a news story that not everyone at the club wanted Gray and Mackay. We haven’t clarified/updated what infrastructure projects (e.g. indoor pitch) are confirmed and timelines etc. None of the above even mentions the valid concerns about the transfer window up to this point.Hibs seem to have gone to ground and either aren’t aware of the mood within the fan base or are making an absolute mess of everything and keeping the shambles in house as they fight fires.They've circled the wagons

[greenpaper55]

Hibs seem determined to create a disconnect with the support, it’s very bizarre and self defeating.We had a 3rd footballing review/change of strategy. With the apparent core criteria being to recruit people, but only if they didn’t cost compensation. So there was scepticism about recruiting from within and someone with a relationship with the chairman, and who coincidentally didn’t cost a fee. How do Hibs address that, wait 5 weeks (or however long it was) to do an interview with the new manager.We’ve had an interview from Mackay, though I didn’t see it as it was behind a paywall. We haven’t heard from David Marshall or had any insight into what he will be doing and what his role entails.We haven’t clarified how the club will fit into the BK group and how Mackay will work with whoever it was that was appointed to oversee the clubs in the group being aligned.We haven’t addressed Foley’s criticism. Except to feed a news story that not everyone at the club wanted Gray and Mackay. We haven’t clarified/updated what infrastructure projects (e.g. indoor pitch) are confirmed and timelines etc. None of the above even mentions the valid concerns about the transfer window up to this point.Hibs seem to have gone to ground and either aren’t aware of the mood within the fan base or are making an absolute mess of everything and keeping the shambles in house as they fight fires.Your second paragraph is just rambling nonsense,in fact the whole post is rambling nonsense.

[random sub]

If some of the posts on this thread are even a tiny bit true then I despair. As a fan of Welcome to Wrexham I want our owners to be the best owners they can be - engaged, responsive, reflective but also knowing where their expertise starts and stops. Given how poor recruitment has been, my one question to them would be ‘what have you learned over the five years?’ If they can’t learn on the job then we will continue to tread water as a club.

[Brightside]

How long would IG expect MM to stick about if he continues to sign players the DoF and manager doesn’t want ?

He wont. It's all utter nonsense.

[Not In The Know]

And so what if he did. Puts forward a name and football person says no. Move on.Correct. But Gordon has clearly done this in the past (Bojang, Tavares etc 😞) and it’s happend. The fact he still thinks he can is mental. It’s a total utter waste of MM time this fud discussing Players with any real football person. It also proves that there has been a player recruitment strategy over the last few years spear headed by a total novice. Just look at the state of our squad. Total shambles the money spent on it and the wages dished out on dross players. The cherry on top is we have less to spend this year cause we wasted so much over the last 4. I hate saying it, but it’s embarrassing.

[Brightside]

What Foley said about believing those in charge would now listen to their input is still interesting to me, wonder what has sparked this supposed change in thinking from our side. My initial thought was we’d see a couple of youngsters on loan from them pretty quickly but doesn’t seem to be the case so far.

It means take these 3 development players, we think they are better than some of the squad you currently have. There is zero suggestion that they want MM or SDG out. They may not have supported those decisions but they wont disrupt as it doesn't aid the long term. Plenty people didn't want MM or SDG, it wont stop them supporting the club.

[Forza Fred]

We KNOW that Black Knight gave us £6 million for shares and a subsequent ‘cash call’ on major investors gave us another £2 million.

That’s a lot of money for a club like Hibs.

I just wish the club told us what they plan spending it on.

Something is starting to stink.

[Not In The Know]

They've circled the wagonsIG picked the wagons so there should be plenty gaps in the formation for any one to break through and attack.

[random sub]

If some of the posts on this thread are even a tiny bit true then I despair. As a fan of Welcome to Wrexham I want our owners to be the best owners they can be - engaged, responsive, reflective but also knowing where their expertise starts and stops. Given how poor recruitment has been, my one question to them would be ‘what have you learned over the five years?’ If they can’t learn on the job then we will continue to tread water as a club.

[we are hibs]

And so what if he did. Puts forward a name and football person says no. Move on.He shouldn't be putting names forward at all. Leave it to the football people to identify and scout players.

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[Pedantic_Hibee]

If identifying players is his “passion”, perhaps he could go and play Football Manager on his laptop or even better, invest in another team where the supporters and employees are happy for him to be chief scout.

[Alex Trager]

He was told to "get a f@@king grip ,you are the owner and not head of recruitment.
Hire and fire the guys to do the job and start like acting like the owner.
IG has since shunned Black Knights since.
IG has also not seen eye to eye with MM over who IG wants to sign .

I REALLY hope this is true.
It is well and truly time someone put him into his box.

[Alex Trager]

You are getting a bit of a hard time for this post and while I can’t claim to be aware of any conversation Foley has had with anyone at Hibs it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if IG is refusing to back off from the recruitment side of things. When MM was appointed I’d hoped it would see IG step away, but all I ever hear with regards him is that it’s his passion.
Aye well he can take his passion to some other club cos he’s ***** at it.

[matty_f]

You are getting a bit of a hard time for this post and while I can’t claim to be aware of any conversation Foley has had with anyone at Hibs it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if IG is refusing to back off from the recruitment side of things. When MM was appointed I’d hoped it would see IG step away, but all I ever hear with regards him is that it’s his passion.

I was on the BBC last season speaking after a match, and we were talking about this, I suggested that according to Hibs' website, Ian Gordon had stepped away from recruitment and was learning the ropes of being a CEO from Ben Kensell (which is basically what his bio says on the Directors page on the Hibs site).

Mikey Stewart very quickly and quite bluntly put me right on it to insist that Gordon was still heavily involved in the recruitment, way beyond the extent he should be for his experience.

I've since spoken to a number of folk connected to the club who all confirm that to be the case, and so while I can't speak to it being 100% true because I haven't seen it first hand and haven't spoken to Ian Gordon about it, I believe it to be the case.

I think the fact we get a vague 'committee' type response when the mechanics of how player identification works tells you that the club are not wanting to be completely transparent with it.

It may well be the case that a group of them talk about targets, but how those targets line up in front of the group and how they're identified is less clear, and it's not clear who gets final say.

We do know with some degree of certainty that it's not the Head Coach, the situation with ALF last season, where Monty wanted to keep him and was told by the non-football side of the business, Kensell and Gordon, that he couldn't, despite there being a contract in place for it already, tells you who's got the final say on players.

[Northernhibee]

I was on the BBC last season speaking after a match, and we were talking about this, I suggested that according to Hibs' website, Ian Gordon had stepped away from recruitment and was learning the ropes of being a CEO from Ben Kensell (which is basically what his bio says on the Directors page on the Hibs site).

Mikey Stewart very quickly and quite bluntly put me right on it to insist that Gordon was still heavily involved in the recruitment, way beyond the extent he should be for his experience.

I've since spoken to a number of folk connected to the club who all confirm that to be the case, and so while I can't speak to it being 100% true because I haven't seen it first hand and haven't spoken to Ian Gordon about it, I believe it to be the case.

I think the fact we get a vague 'committee' type response when the mechanics of how player identification works tells you that the club are not wanting to be completely transparent with it.

It may well be the case that a group of them talk about targets, but how those targets line up in front of the group and how they're identified is less clear, and it's not clear who gets final say.

We do know with some degree of certainty that it's not the Head Coach, the situation with ALF last season, where Monty wanted to keep him and was told by the non-football side of the business, Kensell and Gordon, that he couldn't, despite there being a contract in place for it already, tells you who's got the final say on players.
It’s quite incredible that despite the quadrant of leadership bumph, there’s actually what appears to be a total vacuum of leadership at the club.

[matty_f]

It’s quite incredible that despite the quadrant of leadership bumph, there’s actually what appears to be a total vacuum of leadership at the club.

I was thinking about this the other day, the number of things that the club have championed that have come to nothing or been quietly dropped is unreal, there will be more, but from the top of my head:

- Brighton partnership (launched to some fanfare, saw a player go to Hearts from Brighton)
- Development team - significant shift in strategy, was being wound down less than a season in
- Buying young Scottish talent - moved away from that approach following the signings of Dan Mackay and Dylan Tait
- several lower league partnerships, including (again from the top of my head) Stenny, Spartans, Edinburgh City
- the approach to the Head Coach profile (Jack Ross, to up and coming Maloney, to tried and test Johnson, to up and coming successful elsewhere Monty, to David Gray (knowledge of the club being the apparent driver)).
- not needing a Director of Football to needing a DoF.
- DoF lasting a year and replaced with a Sporting Director.
- Needing an indoor training facility to that going very quiet
- shifts in transfer strategy (signing ALF to lowering the age profile in the squad being a thing a few months later)
- Bespoke programme of matches v top English sides for the development side dropped
- Sportemongo partnership farce
- a betting company shorts sponsor last season started on the shorts but had quietly disappeared from them by the end of the season, apparently they had no UK licence.
- £3m+ losses in the last accounts

I'm sure there are more, but I feel like I'm just putting the boot in now.

To balance that, we did get into Europe and had a decent go of it, if you ignore the embarrassing first game, until we faced Villa.
West stand hospitality really is worth shouting about, it's a terrific set up.
We had record turnover last year, apparently
Safe standing has been introduced and the Famous Five has been upgraded

[SunshineOn1875]

I was on the BBC last season speaking after a match, and we were talking about this, I suggested that according to Hibs' website, Ian Gordon had stepped away from recruitment and was learning the ropes of being a CEO from Ben Kensell (which is basically what his bio says on the Directors page on the Hibs site).Mikey Stewart very quickly and quite bluntly put me right on it to insist that Gordon was still heavily involved in the recruitment, way beyond the extent he should be for his experience. I've since spoken to a number of folk connected to the club who all confirm that to be the case, and so while I can't speak to it being 100% true because I haven't seen it first hand and haven't spoken to Ian Gordon about it, I believe it to be the case. I think the fact we get a vague 'committee' type response when the mechanics of how player identification works tells you that the club are not wanting to be completely transparent with it. It may well be the case that a group of them talk about targets, but how those targets line up in front of the group and how they're identified is less clear, and it's not clear who gets final say.We do know with some degree of certainty that it's not the Head Coach, the situation with ALF last season, where Monty wanted to keep him and was told by the non-football side of the business, Kensell and Gordon, that he couldn't, despite there being a contract in place for it already, tells you who's got the final say on players.I tell you what, somehow not giving ALF another year is proving to be a horrible piece of business, which is to be expected with the current regime. Ian Gordon playing us like his personal FM save and CEO hiding in the background on 325k a year claiming "money will be made available for player transfers in the summer" Hibs fans being made to look like complete mugs again.

[Northernhibee]

I was thinking about this the other day, the number of things that the club have championed that have come to nothing or been quietly dropped is unreal, there will be more, but from the top of my head:

- Brighton partnership (launched to some fanfare, saw a player go to Hearts from Brighton)
- Development team - significant shift in strategy, was being wound down less than a season in
- Buying young Scottish talent - moved away from that approach following the signings of Dan Mackay and Dylan Tait
- several lower league partnerships, including (again from the top of my head) Stenny, Spartans, Edinburgh City
- the approach to the Head Coach profile (Jack Ross, to up and coming Maloney, to tried and test Johnson, to up and coming successful elsewhere Monty, to David Gray (knowledge of the club being the apparent driver)).
- not needing a Director of Football to needing a DoF.
- DoF lasting a year and replaced with a Sporting Director.
- Needing an indoor training facility to that going very quiet
- shifts in transfer strategy (signing ALF to lowering the age profile in the squad being a thing a few months later)
- Bespoke programme of matches v top English sides for the development side dropped
- Sportemongo partnership farce
- a betting company shorts sponsor last season started on the shorts but had quietly disappeared from them by the end of the season, apparently they had no UK licence.
- £3m+ losses in the last accounts

I'm sure there are more, but I feel like I'm just putting the boot in now.

To balance that, we did get into Europe and had a decent go of it, if you ignore the embarrassing first game, until we faced Villa.
West stand hospitality really is worth shouting about, it's a terrific set up.
We had record turnover last year, apparently
Safe standing has been introduced and the Famous Five has been upgraded

It’s impossible to know where the buck actually stops at the club. Ian Gordon is supposedly at the top of the pyramid, but he’s learning from Kensell so does the buck stop with him? If he gets it wrong, who there recognises it and holds him accountable? If IG identifies a player who is nowhere near good enough, who holds him accountable? Is it Ben or Mackay or Gray or nobody at all?

[SunshineOn1875]

It’s impossible to know where the buck actually stops at the club. Ian Gordon is supposedly at the top of the pyramid, but he’s learning from Kensell so does the buck stop with him? If he gets it wrong, who there recognises it and holds him accountable? If IG identifies a player who is nowhere near good enough, who holds him accountable? Is it Ben or Mackay or Gray or nobody at all?Fans will eventually hold him accountable when it goes t**s up again.

[we are hibs]

It’s impossible to know where the buck actually stops at the club. Ian Gordon is supposedly at the top of the pyramid, but he’s learning from Kensell so does the buck stop with him? If he gets it wrong, who there recognises it and holds him accountable? If IG identifies a player who is nowhere near good enough, who holds him accountable? Is it Ben or Mackay or Gray or nobody at all?

I have mentioned this before. It's almost like folks roles within the club are intentionally vague to avoid accountability. All this stuff about "transfer committee's" too.

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[Brightside]

He shouldn't be putting names forward at all. Leave it to the football people to identify and scout players.

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You know they get sent names to look at from people on this very forum.....

[The Modfather]

I was thinking about this the other day, the number of things that the club have championed that have come to nothing or been quietly dropped is unreal, there will be more, but from the top of my head:

- Brighton partnership (launched to some fanfare, saw a player go to Hearts from Brighton)
- Development team - significant shift in strategy, was being wound down less than a season in
- Buying young Scottish talent - moved away from that approach following the signings of Dan Mackay and Dylan Tait
- several lower league partnerships, including (again from the top of my head) Stenny, Spartans, Edinburgh City
- the approach to the Head Coach profile (Jack Ross, to up and coming Maloney, to tried and test Johnson, to up and coming successful elsewhere Monty, to David Gray (knowledge of the club being the apparent driver)).
- not needing a Director of Football to needing a DoF.
- DoF lasting a year and replaced with a Sporting Director.
- Needing an indoor training facility to that going very quiet
- shifts in transfer strategy (signing ALF to lowering the age profile in the squad being a thing a few months later)
- Bespoke programme of matches v top English sides for the development side dropped
- Sportemongo partnership farce
- a betting company shorts sponsor last season started on the shorts but had quietly disappeared from them by the end of the season, apparently they had no UK licence.
- £3m+ losses in the last accounts

I'm sure there are more, but I feel like I'm just putting the boot in now.

To balance that, we did get into Europe and had a decent go of it, if you ignore the embarrassing first game, until we faced Villa.
West stand hospitality really is worth shouting about, it's a terrific set up.
We had record turnover last year, apparently
Safe standing has been introduced and the Famous Five has been upgraded

Was there a link in with a club in America? A college team? Think we got Emanuel Johnson from them.

[nonshinyfinish]

Was there a link in with a club in America? A college team? Think we got Emanuel Johnson from them.Charleston Battery

[GreenPJ]

Correct. But Gordon has clearly done this in the past (Bojang, Tavares etc 😞) and it’s happend. The fact he still thinks he can is mental. It’s a total utter waste of MM time this fud discussing Players with any real football person. It also proves that there has been a player recruitment strategy over the last few years spear headed by a total novice. Just look at the state of our squad. Total shambles the money spent on it and the wages dished out on dross players. The cherry on top is we have less to spend this year cause we wasted so much over the last 4. I hate saying it, but it’s embarrassing.

But its different now if the comments are true that IG recommended a player that was shot down by MM. If we haven't at least got a list of players that are recommended that is 5* longer than the number of people we will end up signing there is something very wrong.

Sadly we don't have a time machine, the mistakes that were made have been made, we can't change that - you can only control things going forward. The 3 first team signings made so far seem to tick boxes for me and of course we need more, we all want them in sooner than later. I honestly believe that two first team players should be sufficient for us to make top six but we also need another couple for competitive cover. I like the fact that Rudi and Kanayo have had a decent amount of game time pre-season/league cup to help give them experience and give the coaching team an indication if they can cut it at this level. That would help provide cover for first team and allows the focus on the first 11 starters and maybe one area to identify additional cover for (left back).

[Brightside]

I have mentioned this before. It's almost like folks roles within the club are intentionally vague to avoid accountability. All this stuff about "transfer committee's" too.

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I know people don't like hearing this. But its totally up to the club to decide on everyone's role. It's got **** all to do with us. We just get to watch the pantomime. The board and the leadership team are not accountable to the fans.

[easty]

I tell you what, somehow not giving ALF another year is proving to be a horrible piece of business, which is to be expected with the current regime. Ian Gordon playing us like his personal FM save and CEO hiding in the background on 325k a year claiming "money will be made available for player transfers in the summer" Hibs fans being made to look like complete mugs again.

ALF got 5 goals and 2 assists in 30 appearances. We were right to let him go.

He’s been playing for FC United of Manchester recently. I think they’re 7th tier in England.

Of all the things we can bash Hibs for, this isn’t one of them.

[Ozyhibby]

Charleston Battery

It looked like a stupid idea at the time, never mind in hindsight.


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[easty]

I know people don't like hearing this. But its totally up to the club to decide on everyone's role. It's got **** all to do with us. We just get to watch the pantomime. The board and the leadership team are not accountable to the fans.

That’s no more true than saying it has **** all to do with us who we sign or how we play.

[gorgie greens]

I was on the BBC last season speaking after a match, and we were talking about this, I suggested that according to Hibs' website, Ian Gordon had stepped away from recruitment and was learning the ropes of being a CEO from Ben Kensell (which is basically what his bio says on the Directors page on the Hibs site).

Mikey Stewart very quickly and quite bluntly put me right on it to insist that Gordon was still heavily involved in the recruitment, way beyond the extent he should be for his experience.

I've since spoken to a number of folk connected to the club who all confirm that to be the case, and so while I can't speak to it being 100% true because I haven't seen it first hand and haven't spoken to Ian Gordon about it, I believe it to be the case.

I think the fact we get a vague 'committee' type response when the mechanics of how player identification works tells you that the club are not wanting to be completely transparent with it.

It may well be the case that a group of them talk about targets, but how those targets line up in front of the group and how they're identified is less clear, and it's not clear who gets final say.

We do know with some degree of certainty that it's not the Head Coach, the situation with ALF last season, where Monty wanted to keep him and was told by the non-football side of the business, Kensell and Gordon, that he couldn't, despite there being a contract in place for it already, tells you who's got the final say on players.

The comments I made where Foley said what he said to IG was based on the findings from the review in to last season and they found that IG was so heavily involved in recruitment that Foley told him to concentrate on being the owner and recruit people to do the job as it had been a major failure and was out of his depth.
IG has since ignored BK and continued to do as he pleases

[SunshineOn1875]

ALF got 5 goals and 2 assists in 30 appearances. We were right to let him go.He’s been playing for FC United of Manchester recently. I think they’re 7th tier in England.Of all the things we can bash Hibs for, this isn’t one of them.Was worth another year 100%. Injuries hampered his move here had it not been for that he'd have played a hell of a lot more and contributed a lot more., never mind the fact how badly he was treated by 2 certain board members that would have hampered his time up here also.

[hibsbollah]

ALF got 5 goals and 2 assists in 30 appearances. We were right to let him go.He’s been playing for FC United of Manchester recently. I think they’re 7th tier in England.Of all the things we can bash Hibs for, this isn’t one of them.I think thats harsh.He had great contributions in a number of games i watched. You could tell he had a football brain a step ahead of many of his teammates and put a shift in. A lot of those appearances were as sub, his goal scoring record was fine. I would have kept him.

[Alex Trager]

I was thinking about this the other day, the number of things that the club have championed that have come to nothing or been quietly dropped is unreal, there will be more, but from the top of my head:

- Brighton partnership (launched to some fanfare, saw a player go to Hearts from Brighton)
- Development team - significant shift in strategy, was being wound down less than a season in
- Buying young Scottish talent - moved away from that approach following the signings of Dan Mackay and Dylan Tait
- several lower league partnerships, including (again from the top of my head) Stenny, Spartans, Edinburgh City
- the approach to the Head Coach profile (Jack Ross, to up and coming Maloney, to tried and test Johnson, to up and coming successful elsewhere Monty, to David Gray (knowledge of the club being the apparent driver)).
- not needing a Director of Football to needing a DoF.
- DoF lasting a year and replaced with a Sporting Director.
- Needing an indoor training facility to that going very quiet
- shifts in transfer strategy (signing ALF to lowering the age profile in the squad being a thing a few months later)
- Bespoke programme of matches v top English sides for the development side dropped
- Sportemongo partnership farce
- a betting company shorts sponsor last season started on the shorts but had quietly disappeared from them by the end of the season, apparently they had no UK licence.
- £3m+ losses in the last accounts

I'm sure there are more, but I feel like I'm just putting the boot in now.

To balance that, we did get into Europe and had a decent go of it, if you ignore the embarrassing first game, until we faced Villa.
West stand hospitality really is worth shouting about, it's a terrific set up.
We had record turnover last year, apparently
Safe standing has been introduced and the Famous Five has been upgraded

The strategic comms from the club are non existent tbh.

[Brightside]

That’s no more true than saying it has **** all to do with us who we sign or how we play.

Aye. Same applies. We don't decide on the signings. We can all be pissed off with how its currently going but we get NO SAY in how they do it. If IAN wants to buy a player he can do that. Its his toys.

[easty]

Was worth another year 100%. Injuries hampered his move here had it not been for that he'd have played a hell of a lot more and contributed a lot more., never mind the fact how badly he was treated by 2 certain board members that would have hampered his time up here also.

No chance. He appeared 30 times for us last season. It’s not as if he only played a few games. When he did something well it looked great, but it was so few and far between.

If he was worth another year at this level he’d no be dropping down to English Northern Premier League.

[Alex Trager]

It looked like a stupid idea at the time, never mind in hindsight.


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There were half and half scarves in the club shop at one point with CB’s colours on them.

[bingo70]

It looked like a stupid idea at the time, never mind in hindsight.


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Ironically enough, the one player worth getting from them came to us on trial and has since signed for a club for big money apparently. Can’t remember his name but read a Twitter headline this morning he’s been sold and Hibs had missed the boat with him.

[Alex Trager]

Aye. Same applies. We don't decide on the signings. We can all be pissed off with how its currently going but we get NO SAY in how they do it. If IAN wants to buy a player he can do that. Its his toys.

It is his toy, which relies on us.

[Ronniekirk]

I was on the BBC last season speaking after a match, and we were talking about this, I suggested that according to Hibs' website, Ian Gordon had stepped away from recruitment and was learning the ropes of being a CEO from Ben Kensell (which is basically what his bio says on the Directors page on the Hibs site).Mikey Stewart very quickly and quite bluntly put me right on it to insist that Gordon was still heavily involved in the recruitment, way beyond the extent he should be for his experience. I've since spoken to a number of folk connected to the club who all confirm that to be the case, and so while I can't speak to it being 100% true because I haven't seen it first hand and haven't spoken to Ian Gordon about it, I believe it to be the case. I think the fact we get a vague 'committee' type response when the mechanics of how player identification works tells you that the club are not wanting to be completely transparent with it. It may well be the case that a group of them talk about targets, but how those targets line up in front of the group and how they're identified is less clear, and it's not clear who gets final say.We do know with some degree of certainty that it's not the Head Coach, the situation with ALF last season, where Monty wanted to keep him and was told by the non-football side of the business, Kensell and Gordon, that he couldn't, despite there being a contract in place for it already, tells you who's got the final say on players.Ffs the info coming out just gets worse Sounds like a shambles IG has shown that he can’t identify players and has cost us a fortune bring in players on higher wages that are just not up to it So if he is still involved in this process it’s not good news To then hear he has taken the hump with foley and isn’t speaking to him is just madness I want to buy a Season Ticket but sm not prepared to back this situation continuing You have to wonder what next snd how we move forward constructively in Hibs best interests , and not just IG playing with his new toy and spitting the dummy out

[Donegal Hibby]

Charleston Battery

Remember this one who had trained with us for awhile ? ...

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/fidel-barajas-hibs-transfer-chance-29615338

[Greenworld]

Last paragraph, I think they’re well aware and rather than be big boys about it, have just decided to go to ground.

When the investment was going through you couldn’t shut Kensell up. It just has a horrible, horrible feel about it at the moment.A bit like Foley has suggested.
we will just put our fingers in out ears and pretend nothings happening

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[jeffers]

I was on the BBC last season speaking after a match, and we were talking about this, I suggested that according to Hibs' website, Ian Gordon had stepped away from recruitment and was learning the ropes of being a CEO from Ben Kensell (which is basically what his bio says on the Directors page on the Hibs site).

Mikey Stewart very quickly and quite bluntly put me right on it to insist that Gordon was still heavily involved in the recruitment, way beyond the extent he should be for his experience.

I've since spoken to a number of folk connected to the club who all confirm that to be the case, and so while I can't speak to it being 100% true because I haven't seen it first hand and haven't spoken to Ian Gordon about it, I believe it to be the case.

I think the fact we get a vague 'committee' type response when the mechanics of how player identification works tells you that the club are not wanting to be completely transparent with it.

It may well be the case that a group of them talk about targets, but how those targets line up in front of the group and how they're identified is less clear, and it's not clear who gets final say.

We do know with some degree of certainty that it's not the Head Coach, the situation with ALF last season, where Monty wanted to keep him and was told by the non-football side of the business, Kensell and Gordon, that he couldn't, despite there being a contract in place for it already, tells you who's got the final say on players.

I absolutely believe he’s still heavily in recruitment. For all the flak Kensell gets, I’m not saying it’s not warranted in a number of instances I heard he had tried to get IG work closely with him with a view to him taking over as CEO at some point, but IG preferred to focus on recruitment. It was also Kensell who pushed for a DoF to be appointed as he recognised that changes were needed to the football side of things.

The more I think about the ALF situation I’m starting to come round to the decision being a financial one, the noises about his age never made sense when you consider they knew how old he was when they gave him the contract in the first place. It looks more and more to me like it was an effort to reduce the wage bill.

[Greenworld]

The comments I made where Foley said what he said to IG was based on the findings from the review in to last season and they found that IG was so heavily involved in recruitment that Foley told him to concentrate on being the owner and recruit people to do the job as it had been a major failure and was out of his depth.
IG has since ignored BK and continued to do as he pleasesIn other words good business building blocks.
It's what he has done at Bournemouth put really good people in the correct positions
Almost like a football team of managers.
Head of recruitment
Head of fitness
Bla bla bla
You then let them get on with it ,oversee it ,it sounds so simple .

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[easty]

The more I think about the ALF situation I’m starting to come round to the decision being a financial one, the noises about his age never made sense when you consider they knew how old he was when they gave him the contract in the first place. It looks more and more to me like it was an effort to reduce the wage bill.

Reduce the wage bill of players who aren’t good enough. Absolutely. A good financial decision to not burden us with players who cost money that could be better spent elsewhere.

If we could’ve got rid of Jair, Kenneh, JDH, etc etc. in the same way we would’ve.

[jeffers]

Reduce the wage bill of players who aren’t good enough. Absolutely. A good financial decision to not burden us with players who cost money that could be better spent elsewhere.

If we could’ve got rid of Jair, Kenneh, JDH, etc etc. in the same way we would’ve.

Absolutely, though I thought ALF was good enough. We need to wait and see if we bring in better.

[easty]

Absolutely, though I thought ALF was good enough. We need to wait and see if we bring in better.

Do you not think he should be getting signed up at a higher level than FC United of Manchester, if he was good enough to play for Hibs in the SPL?

[matty_f]

Do you not think he should be getting signed up at a higher level than FC United of Manchester, if he was good enough to play for Hibs in the SPL?

He wanted somewhere where he could also start coaching.

[hibsbollah]

Do you not think he should be getting signed up at a higher level than FC United of Manchester, if he was good enough to play for Hibs in the SPL?He's been training there to keep himself fit this summer, a big man U fan and he's from down there so probably made sense. He's not signed for anyone yet as far as i can see. Hibs fans should know sometimes not all signings are concluded with a week still to go till the season starts :greengrin

[Since452]

Do you not think he should be getting signed up at a higher level than FC United of Manchester, if he was good enough to play for Hibs in the SPL?

Le Fondre won a watch signing for Hibs. I bet he couldn't believe his luck. Probably why he was so vocal when leaving. One who will barely be remembered in a couple of years time.

[SunshineOn1875]

Do you not think he should be getting signed up at a higher level than FC United of Manchester, if he was good enough to play for Hibs in the SPL?ALF has confirmed he has had interest and offers from league 1 and abroad. He's not signed a perm deal with FC United Of Manchester he has been training and playing in bounce games for fitness while he figures out his next move. Strange narrative to take but go off.

[Northernhibee]

I was on the BBC last season speaking after a match, and we were talking about this, I suggested that according to Hibs' website, Ian Gordon had stepped away from recruitment and was learning the ropes of being a CEO from Ben Kensell (which is basically what his bio says on the Directors page on the Hibs site).

Mikey Stewart very quickly and quite bluntly put me right on it to insist that Gordon was still heavily involved in the recruitment, way beyond the extent he should be for his experience.

I've since spoken to a number of folk connected to the club who all confirm that to be the case, and so while I can't speak to it being 100% true because I haven't seen it first hand and haven't spoken to Ian Gordon about it, I believe it to be the case.

I think the fact we get a vague 'committee' type response when the mechanics of how player identification works tells you that the club are not wanting to be completely transparent with it.

It may well be the case that a group of them talk about targets, but how those targets line up in front of the group and how they're identified is less clear, and it's not clear who gets final say.

We do know with some degree of certainty that it's not the Head Coach, the situation with ALF last season, where Monty wanted to keep him and was told by the non-football side of the business, Kensell and Gordon, that he couldn't, despite there being a contract in place for it already, tells you who's got the final say on players.

Bit of a tangent, but I don’t understand the flak that Michael Stewart gets on here. He doesn’t mince his words but most things he says seems to match up with what we’re seeing from the outside looking in. The jigsaw pieces fit together so to speak.

[jacomo]

Le Fondre won a watch signing for Hibs. I bet he couldn't believe his luck. Probably why he was so vocal when leaving. One who will barely be remembered in a couple of years time.


You think he was a duff signing?

[Since452]

You think he was a duff signing?

Ultimately yes. Barely contributed.

[jeffers]

Do you not think he should be getting signed up at a higher level than FC United of Manchester, if he was good enough to play for Hibs in the SPL?I’m not interested in where he goes, same as I wasn’t interested in the chat about where we signed him from, I’m basing my opinion on what I saw when he was with us and imo he was good enough.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I was thinking about this the other day, the number of things that the club have championed that have come to nothing or been quietly dropped is unreal, there will be more, but from the top of my head:- Brighton partnership (launched to some fanfare, saw a player go to Hearts from Brighton)- Development team - significant shift in strategy, was being wound down less than a season in - Buying young Scottish talent - moved away from that approach following the signings of Dan Mackay and Dylan Tait- several lower league partnerships, including (again from the top of my head) Stenny, Spartans, Edinburgh City- the approach to the Head Coach profile (Jack Ross, to up and coming Maloney, to tried and test Johnson, to up and coming successful elsewhere Monty, to David Gray (knowledge of the club being the apparent driver)).- not needing a Director of Football to needing a DoF.- DoF lasting a year and replaced with a Sporting Director.- Needing an indoor training facility to that going very quiet- shifts in transfer strategy (signing ALF to lowering the age profile in the squad being a thing a few months later)- Bespoke programme of matches v top English sides for the development side dropped- Sportemongo partnership farce- a betting company shorts sponsor last season started on the shorts but had quietly disappeared from them by the end of the season, apparently they had no UK licence. - £3m+ losses in the last accounts I'm sure there are more, but I feel like I'm just putting the boot in now.To balance that, we did get into Europe and had a decent go of it, if you ignore the embarrassing first game, until we faced Villa. West stand hospitality really is worth shouting about, it's a terrific set up.We had record turnover last year, apparentlySafe standing has been introduced and the Famous Five has been upgradedthe whole Greenest Club in Scotland thing too. Admittedly not something im too bothered about with the club toiling to get it together on the pitch but another example of something that was shouted about with great fanfare by the club for a while and now barely mentioned.

[jacomo]

Bill Foley’s quote to the BBC:

"Our goal is to have similar coaching, similar playing styles and similar players that can progress through our system. It is not just going to be Bournemouth and a bunch of other teams.”

So there it is then. They want us to play a similar system to Bournemouth, which obviously has been successful, but will pile the pressure on Gray (publicly or in private) if they don’t see it.

[04Sauzee]

Bill Foley’s quote to the BBC:

"Our goal is to have similar coaching, similar playing styles and similar players that can progress through our system. It is not just going to be Bournemouth and a bunch of other teams.”

So there it is then. They want us to play a similar system to Bournemouth, which obviously has been successful, but will pile the pressure on Gray (publicly or in private) if they don’t see it.

Is gray Implementing it? Genuine question as I have absolutely no idea why type of football Bournemouth play?

[matty_f]

Bill Foley’s quote to the BBC:

"Our goal is to have similar coaching, similar playing styles and similar players that can progress through our system. It is not just going to be Bournemouth and a bunch of other teams.”

So there it is then. They want us to play a similar system to Bournemouth, which obviously has been successful, but will pile the pressure on Gray (publicly or in private) if they don’t see it.

Similar doesn't mean identical though, and I would say that what we've seen so far from Gray's team isn't a million miles from Bournemouth, it's close enough to be compatible, IMHO.

We couldn't play like Bournemouth without a much better level of players - that becomes possible through the group set up though, because the whole point is that we get the players from the group who CAN play that way.

Bournemouth scudded us in pre-season last year, IIRC. It was five going on ten, it would not be a bad thing if we played like that, given the talent to do it.

If we tried it with the squad we have today, it would be a disaster I think.

[easty]

ALF has confirmed he has had interest and offers from league 1 and abroad. He's not signed a perm deal with FC United Of Manchester he has been training and playing in bounce games for fitness while he figures out his next move. Strange narrative to take but go off.

My narrative on ALF is very simple, I wouldn’t say it was strange at all - contributed little, won’t be missed, money can and should be better spent.

[overdrive]

Charleston Battery

https://www.charlestonbattery.com/news/2020/11/10/battery-form-innovative-partnership-with-hibernian-fc/

Which was conveniently where Ian Gordon lived at the time

[Hibiza]

Bill Foley’s quote to the BBC:

"Our goal is to have similar coaching, similar playing styles and similar players that can progress through our system. It is not just going to be Bournemouth and a bunch of other teams.”

So there it is then. They want us to play a similar system to Bournemouth, which obviously has been successful, but will pile the pressure on Gray (publicly or in private) if they don’t see it.

Think there was more to it Jacomo, either way it was out of order .

[Seafield Scott]

I was on the BBC last season speaking after a match, and we were talking about this, I suggested that according to Hibs' website, Ian Gordon had stepped away from recruitment and was learning the ropes of being a CEO from Ben Kensell (which is basically what his bio says on the Directors page on the Hibs site).

Mikey Stewart very quickly and quite bluntly put me right on it to insist that Gordon was still heavily involved in the recruitment, way beyond the extent he should be for his experience.

I've since spoken to a number of folk connected to the club who all confirm that to be the case, and so while I can't speak to it being 100% true because I haven't seen it first hand and haven't spoken to Ian Gordon about it, I believe it to be the case.

I think the fact we get a vague 'committee' type response when the mechanics of how player identification works tells you that the club are not wanting to be completely transparent with it.

It may well be the case that a group of them talk about targets, but how those targets line up in front of the group and how they're identified is less clear, and it's not clear who gets final say.

We do know with some degree of certainty that it's not the Head Coach, the situation with ALF last season, where Monty wanted to keep him and was told by the non-football side of the business, Kensell and Gordon, that he couldn't, despite there being a contract in place for it already, tells you who's got the final say on players.

Matty
Was the reason ALF was let go due to his high salary? I have absolutely no idea what he was supposed to have being paid but my mate said it was “excessive “ (his words) for us & we needed him off the books.

[matty_f]

Matty
Was the reason ALF was let go due to his high salary? I have absolutely no idea what he was supposed to have being paid but my mate said it was “excessive “ (his words) for us & we needed him off the books.

No, his high salary was an urban myth. He wouldn't have been on peanuts but his salary was not out of step from others in the squad

[Groathillgrump]

https://www.charlestonbattery.com/news/2020/11/10/battery-form-innovative-partnership-with-hibernian-fc/

Which was conveniently where Ian Gordon lived at the time

Reading that link from November 2020 I see that Ian Gordon was described at that time as our Technical Scout, whatever that is/was. :dunno:

[Danderhall Hibs]

Reading that link from November 2020 I see that Ian Gordon was described at that time as our Technical Scout, whatever that is/was. :dunno:

“Ian? Aye, technically he’s a scout.”

[One Day Soon]

I know people don't like hearing this. But its totally up to the club to decide on everyone's role. It's got **** all to do with us. We just get to watch the pantomime. The board and the leadership team are not accountable to the fans.

Not formally no. But when the relationship between an owner/board and the support goes completely tits up that's when you find out how much soft power the support actually does have...

[SunshineOn1875]

I know people don't like hearing this. But its totally up to the club to decide on everyone's role. It's got **** all to do with us. We just get to watch the pantomime. The board and the leadership team are not accountable to the fans.What an awful take, the board are absolutely accountable to the fans, without us Hibernian Football club would cease to exist. Football without it's fans is nothing. They'd do well to remember that we've forced worse out of this club and we'll continue to do so if needed.

[One Day Soon]

https://www.charlestonbattery.com/news/2020/11/10/battery-form-innovative-partnership-with-hibernian-fc/

Which was conveniently where Ian Gordon lived at the time

Jesus Christ, the deeper you look into what has gone on at our club the worse it gets. It's like daddy bought him a football team to play with and he's done just whatever came into his head with it. If this ******** is still meddling with or controlling recruitment he is going to bleed this club dry with his utter incompetence and arrogance.

[Lago]

Jesus Christ, the deeper you look into what has gone on at our club the worse it gets. It's like daddy bought him a football team to play with and he's done just whatever came into his head with it. If this ******** is still meddling with or controlling recruitment he is going to bleed this club dry with his utter incompetence and arrogance.What did Ian Gordon do before Ron bought Hibs, does he have any business background at all?

[NC1875]

What did Ian Gordon do before Ron bought Hibs, does he have any business background at all?

Played football manager in his bedroom.

[gorgie greens]

Jesus Christ, the deeper you look into what has gone on at our club the worse it gets. It's like daddy bought him a football team to play with and he's done just whatever came into his head with it. If this ******** is still meddling with or controlling recruitment he is going to bleed this club dry with his utter incompetence and arrogance.
As much as people dislike Michael Stewart he is 100% correct and Ian Gordon is directly responsible for this mess

[Ozyhibby]

Jesus Christ, the deeper you look into what has gone on at our club the worse it gets. It's like daddy bought him a football team to play with and he's done just whatever came into his head with it. If this ******** is still meddling with or controlling recruitment he is going to bleed this club dry with his utter incompetence and arrogance.

Most fans saw through it at the time to be fair.

Charleston Battery
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[SickBoy32]

Aye. Same applies. We don't decide on the signings. We can all be pissed off with how its currently going but we get NO SAY in how they do it. If IAN wants to buy a player he can do that. Its his toys.

And it’s for exactly this reason that I’m now a lapsed ST holder.

He can **** about with his money if he wants, but I’ll no be throwing £hundreds in to fund his ***** anymore. Bad enough he’s dragged our club down the way he has with some brutal results (not to mention some of the worst signings EVER)

The only way we as supporters can begin to influence, is to hit the money men where it hurts.

The uncomfortable truth is, we need the Gordons and Foley away from Hibernian. I suspect we’ll have to get dragged a fair bit lower before they, and the wider support, realise this.

[Lago]

Played football manager in his bedroom.😂

[Not So Young]

I said at the time of the BK investment that I was not sure it was a good thing but I would wait and see where and how it helps the Club.The recent public statements definitely suggest that behind the scene relationships are not as good as they should be but it's worth remembering BK are a minority shareholder and they thought they would get more influence than they have got.Part of the problem seems to be Ian Gordon and now that Ron is not here to keep him under control he's quickly turning into Vald's Rodney

[Pedantic_Hibee]

And it’s for exactly this reason that I’m now a lapsed ST holder.

He can **** about with his money if he wants, but I’ll no be throwing £hundreds in to fund his ***** anymore. Bad enough he’s dragged our club down the way he has with some brutal results (not to mention some of the worst signings EVER)

The only way we as supporters can begin to influence, is to hit the money men where it hurts.

The uncomfortable truth is, we need the Gordons and Foley away from Hibernian. I suspect we’ll have to get dragged a fair bit lower before they, and the wider support, realise this.

I’d be keen to keep Foley and BKFC on board, but as for that arrogant dimwit Gordon, he needs chased out of the club pronto, or at least forced to relinquish any and all control on recruitment.

“But It’s his passion”. Yes, well, Hibs and football are my passion but even if I won the Euromillions and pumped £20m into the club I wouldn’t be installing myself as our new striker. Mainly because I’m not good enough to play professional football, in much the same way he’s not good enough to identify and sign players. Staring gormlessly into space at press conferences and all the while he’s a silent assassin, killing our club from within with his hugely inflated perception of his own scouting ability. Wee prick.

[Carheenlea]

And it’s for exactly this reason that I’m now a lapsed ST holder.

He can **** about with his money if he wants, but I’ll no be throwing £hundreds in to fund his ***** anymore. Bad enough he’s dragged our club down the way he has with some brutal results (not to mention some of the worst signings EVER)

The only way we as supporters can begin to influence, is to hit the money men where it hurts.

The uncomfortable truth is, we need the Gordons and Foley away from Hibernian. I suspect we’ll have to get dragged a fair bit lower before they, and the wider support, realise this.

It’s our club more than it is theirs.

Walking away doesn’t help the club at all. Empty seats sends the message that folk aren’t that bothered anyway. A big support turning up even when things are not playing out the way we want see should actually put more pressure on the club to address shortcomings.

Your ST is the most you can do to support your club. You’ve done your bit and demonstrates commitment to the cause and all things Hibs. We’re the one constant at the club - players good and bad and directors and owners good and bad come and go, but there’s fans in the stadium who have 40,50,60,70 years of backing behind them with not a huge amount of success to show for it.

“Hitting the money men where it hurts” in turn ends up hitting the supporters more so with reduced income and quality of signings.

The determination will be greater to do it for the fans in the stadium more so than for those who have opted to stay away. Plus, you can give them a good barracking in person rather than on internet forums from afar..!

[greenlex]

I’d be keen to keep Foley and BKFC on board, but as for that arrogant dimwit Gordon, he needs chased out of the club pronto, or at least forced to relinquish any and all control on recruitment. “But It’s his passion”. Yes, well, Hibs and football are my passion but even if I won the Euromillions and pumped £20m into the club I wouldn’t be installing myself as our new striker. Mainly because I’m not good enough to play professional football, in much the same way he’s not good enough to identify and sign players. Staring gormlessly into space at press conferences and all the while he’s a silent assassin, killing our club from within with his hugely inflated perception of his own scouting ability. Wee prick.You should rethink that Pedantic. We are a bit light up top and apparently sitting on our holes doing nothing about it. Fire on a couple of lucky dips tonight just in case please.

[GreenPJ]

And it’s for exactly this reason that I’m now a lapsed ST holder.

He can **** about with his money if he wants, but I’ll no be throwing £hundreds in to fund his ***** anymore. Bad enough he’s dragged our club down the way he has with some brutal results (not to mention some of the worst signings EVER)

The only way we as supporters can begin to influence, is to hit the money men where it hurts.

The uncomfortable truth is, we need the Gordons and Foley away from Hibernian. I suspect we’ll have to get dragged a fair bit lower before they, and the wider support, realise this.

When did we as season holders ever have influence on signings

[ChuckNor]

I was thinking about this the other day, the number of things that the club have championed that have come to nothing or been quietly dropped is unreal, there will be more, but from the top of my head: - Brighton partnership (launched to some fanfare, saw a player go to Hearts from Brighton) - Development team - significant shift in strategy, was being wound down less than a season in - Buying young Scottish talent - moved away from that approach following the signings of Dan Mackay and Dylan Tait - several lower league partnerships, including (again from the top of my head) Stenny, Spartans, Edinburgh City - the approach to the Head Coach profile (Jack Ross, to up and coming Maloney, to tried and test Johnson, to up and coming successful elsewhere Monty, to David Gray (knowledge of the club being the apparent driver)). - not needing a Director of Football to needing a DoF. - DoF lasting a year and replaced with a Sporting Director. - Needing an indoor training facility to that going very quiet - shifts in transfer strategy (signing ALF to lowering the age profile in the squad being a thing a few months later) - Bespoke programme of matches v top English sides for the development side dropped - Sportemongo partnership farce - a betting company shorts sponsor last season started on the shorts but had quietly disappeared from them by the end of the season, apparently they had no UK licence. - £3m+ losses in the last accounts I'm sure there are more, but I feel like I'm just putting the boot in now. To balance that, we did get into Europe and had a decent go of it, if you ignore the embarrassing first game, until we faced Villa. West stand hospitality really is worth shouting about, it's a terrific set up. We had record turnover last year, apparently Safe standing has been introduced and the Famous Five has been upgraded Add in Charleston Battery and this list is utterly damning. Incredibly poor leadership.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It’s our club more than it is theirs.

Walking away doesn’t help the club at all. Empty seats sends the message that folk aren’t that bothered anyway. A big support turning up even when things are not playing out the way we want see should actually put more pressure on the club to address shortcomings.

Your ST is the most you can do to support your club. You’ve done your bit and demonstrates commitment to the cause and all things Hibs. We’re the one constant at the club - players good and bad and directors and owners good and bad come and go, but there’s fans in the stadium who have 40,50,60,70 years of backing behind them with not a huge amount of success to show for it.

“Hitting the money men where it hurts” in turn ends up hitting the supporters more so with reduced income and quality of signings.

The determination will be greater to do it for the fans in the stadium more so than for those who have opted to stay away. Plus, you can give them a good barracking in person rather than on internet forums from afar..!

Couldn’t agree with this less.

We’re talking about an owner and CEO who are both so self obsessed that there’s not a chance in hell they’d look at large numbers through the gate and think anything was wrong.

They will only take notice when the money stops rolling in. Kensell is safe in a job until the turnover takes a hit and Ian Gordon will happily continue ****ing everything up until he’s losing loads of money.

[greenlex]

Couldn’t agree with this less.

We’re talking about an owner and CEO who are both so self obsessed that there’s not a chance in hell they’d look at large numbers through the gate and think anything was wrong.

They will only take notice when the money stops rolling in. Kensell is safe in a job until the turnover takes a hit and Ian Gordon will happily continue ****ing everything up until he’s losing loads of money.
How much money do you think the Gordon’s have poured into the club since they came in? How much just last year alone? The notion that they’ll only take notice when losing cash is pie in the sky.

[Seafield Scott]

“Ian? Aye, technically he’s a scout.”

Bet he never got his Gold badge for Player Recruitment!!!

[eastmainsmsh]

Sorry if posted but Bordeaux have folded financial ruin American owners

[Paulie Walnuts]

How much money do you think the Gordon’s have poured into the club since they came in? How much just last year alone? The notion that they’ll only take notice when losing cash is pie in the sky.

When I say losing cash, I mean when the cash flowing into Hibs diminishes, not when their personal levels of cash in bank are down.

[CapitalGreen]

Sorry if posted but Bordeaux have folded financial ruin American owners

Gerard Lopez isn’t American.

[TrinityHFC]

Gerard Lopez isn’t American.

They were previously owned by American owners that stopped funding them.

[matty_f]

How much money do you think the Gordon’s have poured into the club since they came in? How much just last year alone? The notion that they’ll only take notice when losing cash is pie in the sky.

They've not lost that money though, it's invested. If and when they sell their shares they'll see whether they've lost or gained from the transaction.

[Bridge hibs]

It looked like a stupid idea at the time, never mind in hindsight.


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Why, if theres an opportunity to unveil a gem why was it such a bad idea ?

[Bridge hibs]

Ultimately yes. Barely contributed.

Bollox, very intelligent player and probably way fitter than those he was playing with. Games v goals not too great but experience and knowledge on the park was probably more valuable, very intelligent and experienced player

[hibsbollah]

Sorry if posted but Bordeaux have folded financial ruin American owners

Well, it’s bankruptcy, but it remains to be seen whether theyve actually folded. I doubt it, they’ll be back. Too many fans not to. They’ve now essentially gone part time, which is kind of the implication of entering lower tier french football usually anyway.

[hibeerealist]

It is reasonable to expect some sort of communication from our club to clear up any "confusion" over Bill Foley's remarks and some confirmation that this deal is not dead before its begun, shirley!

[Alex Trager]

It is reasonable to expect some sort of communication from our club to clear up any "confusion" over Bill Foley's remarks and some confirmation that this deal is not dead before its begun, shirley!

Perhaps on this particular issue, no. It’s not reasonable. Nor preferable.

It is reasonable that the club tells us what we should expect from the deal though.

I wouldn’t hold your breath though. The communications are awful.

It was Jamie McLaren’s 31st birthday yesterday though..!

[Gordy M]

Perhaps on this particular issue, no. It’s not reasonable. Nor preferable. It is reasonable that the club tells us what we should expect from the deal though. I wouldn’t hold your breath though. The communications are awful. It was Jamie McLaren’s 31st birthday yesterday though..!Genuinely what would you like them to come out and say? And if they did, how many would rip whatever they say to shreds.....or if it was good news, believe what was said?

[Scotty Leither]

Why, if theres an opportunity to unveil a gem why was it such a bad idea ?We got Emmanuel Johnson through this link-up, who was loaned out to Edinburgh City, couldn’t get a game there, and disappeared from sight having scarcely got within being considered for the first team. Ian Gordon’s other, much more expensive pet project that he was indulged was the “marquee” signing of Chris Mueller, remember him. And to think some of us wanted McInnes, when who in their right mind would want to manage us while the spoilt laddie is still calling the shots?He might buy some midget gems to chew on in the Boardroom, but that’ll be the only gem he’s involved in signing.

[CapitalGreen]

We got Emmanuel Johnson through this link-up, who was loaned out to Edinburgh City, couldn’t get a game there, and disappeared from sight having scarcely got within being considered for the first team. Ian Gordon’s other, much more expensive pet project that he was indulged was the “marquee” signing of Chris Mueller, remember him. And to think some of us wanted McInnes, when who in their right mind would want to manage us while the spoilt laddie is still calling the shots?He might buy some midget gems to chew on in the Boardroom, but that’ll be the only gem he’s involved in signing.

No we didn’t. Johnson was signed from the Barcelona US Academy and then loaned to Charleston until he was old enough to be eligible for a work permit.

[Lago]

Not even a whisper of a player heading to ER from Bournemouth, meanwhile David keeps spinning those plates.

[Caversham Green]

It is reasonable to expect some sort of communication from our club to clear up any "confusion" over Bill Foley's remarks and some confirmation that this deal is not dead before its begun, shirley!

Foley made a point of criticising "the other ownership group" NOT the club, so it would be inappropriate for the club to respond. The Gordons on the other hand had the options of doing nothing, responding direct or briefing the press about the reasons behind their decision. Doing nothing would not get their side of the story known and lead to all sorts of speculation, while responding direct would likely widen the rift between the two groups so the third option of an unattributed press report was probably the least bad option. It needs to be remembered that it was Foley's foolish/malicious remarks that produced this problem in the first place.

Given the fall out is reported to have been about the choice of MM and SDG or two unknowns with zero knowledge of Scottish football I think the Gordons made the right choice in this instance.

What we need now is for a strong CEO to tell both sides to grow up and get on with running the club.

[matty_f]

Foley made a point of criticising "the other ownership group" NOT the club, so it would be inappropriate for the club to respond. The Gordons on the other hand had the options of doing nothing, responding direct or briefing the press about the reasons behind their decision. Doing nothing would not get their side of the story known and lead to all sorts of speculation, while responding direct would likely widen the rift between the two groups so the third option of an unattributed press report was probably the least bad option. It needs to be remembered that it was Foley's foolish/malicious remarks that produced this problem in the first place.

Given the fall out is reported to have been about the choice of MM and SDG or two unknowns with zero knowledge of Scottish football I think the Gordons made the right choice in this instance.

What we need now is for a strong CEO to tell both sides to grow up and get on with running the club.

I don't think we'll ever know if the MM and SDG decisions were the right choice - even if they do well, we don't know if their ceiling is as high as the alternative's might have been. Do we know, for example, that they had zero knowledge of Scottish football? If so, where did that information come from?

Your last sentence is spot on, this needs resolved (if it hasn't already been) and a way forward agreed that benefits the club.

[TrinityHFC]

Foley made a point of criticising "the other ownership group" NOT the club, so it would be inappropriate for the club to respond. The Gordons on the other hand had the options of doing nothing, responding direct or briefing the press about the reasons behind their decision. Doing nothing would not get their side of the story known and lead to all sorts of speculation, while responding direct would likely widen the rift between the two groups so the third option of an unattributed press report was probably the least bad option. It needs to be remembered that it was Foley's foolish/malicious remarks that produced this problem in the first place.

Given the fall out is reported to have been about the choice of MM and SDG or two unknowns with zero knowledge of Scottish football I think the Gordons made the right choice in this instance.

What we need now is for a strong CEO to tell both sides to grow up and get on with running the club.

Agree with all that other than the last bit which should be the Chairman rather than CEO.

[Caversham Green]

I don't think we'll ever know if the MM and SDG decisions were the right choice - even if they do well, we don't know if their ceiling is as high as the alternative's might have been. Do we know, for example, that they had zero knowledge of Scottish football? If so, where did that information come from?

Your last sentence is spot on, this needs resolved (if it hasn't already been) and a way forward agreed that benefits the club.

I'm sure the press report referenced Foley's suggestion as having no knowledge of Scottish football (but cba looking for it to confirm) so they would have had to be exceptional to trump the choices actually made imo. I'm not yet convinced Foley knows enough to make that recommendation.


Agree with all that other than the last bit which should be the Chairman rather than CEO.

Yep, fair point - one or the other would do the trick.

[matty_f]

I'm sure the press report referenced Foley's suggestion as having no knowledge of Scottish football (but cba looking for it to confirm) so they would have had to be exceptional to trump the choices actually made imo. I'm not yet convinced Foley knows enough to make that recommendation.



Yep, fair point - one or the other would do the trick.

IIRC, the article positioned Malky as 'steeped in Scottish football' and SDG as having 'unrivalled knowledge of the club' but didn't make any explicit references to the details of the other recommendations.

[Caversham Green]

IIRC, the article positioned Malky as 'steeped in Scottish football' and SDG as having 'unrivalled knowledge of the club' but didn't make any explicit references to the details of the other recommendations.

The description of the two incumbents is certainly accurate so unless and until we know who Foley was recommending we can only speculate about their suitability. As I've hinted, I'm not convinced Foley is as knowledgeable as he thinks he is.

[matty_f]

The description of the two incumbents is certainly accurate so unless and until we know who Foley was recommending we can only speculate about their suitability. As I've hinted, I'm not convinced Foley is as knowledgeable as he thinks he is.

I don't think Foley positions himself as the knowledgeable one, I think he surrounds himself with people who he feels are experts.

Contrast with our owner...

[The Modfather]

The description of the two incumbents is certainly accurate so unless and until we know who Foley was recommending we can only speculate about their suitability. As I've hinted, I'm not convinced Foley is as knowledgeable as he thinks he is.

Good thing the alternative is to fall back on the knowledge Ian Gordon and Kensell have, which has served us well thus far.

[CropleyWasGod]

Good thing the alternative is to fall back on the knowledge Ian Gordon and Kensell have, which has served us well thus far.

Like Matty says, I think the alternative is to use the experience and talents of the other Black Knights guy on the Board, whose name I keep forgetting.

(Actually, maybe keep his name out of it meantime, lest he become the next target on here :greengrin:)

[Caversham Green]

Good thing the alternative is to fall back on the knowledge Ian Gordon and Kensell have, which has served us well thus far.

Well yes, it's not a great choice but I don't think their decisions in this particular case are bad ones. Of course we don't know what Foley was suggesting and hopefully never will because some on here would be convinced that they would have done better regardless of who they actually were.

Incidentally, Kensall was pointedly not the subject of Foley's criticism.

[matty_f]

Like Matty says, I think the alternative is to use the experience and talents of the other Black Knights guy on the Board, whose name I keep forgetting.

(Actually, maybe keep his name out of it meantime, lest he become the next target on here :greengrin:)
Which was one of the core benefits of bringing Foley in as an investor, if you can cast your mind as far back as the very end of February.

[matty_f]

Well yes, it's not a great choice but I don't think their decisions in this particular case are bad ones. Of course we don't know what Foley was suggesting and hopefully never will because some on here would be convinced that they would have done better regardless of who they actually were.

Incidentally, Kensall was pointedly not the subject of Foley's criticism.

This is a key point, I desperately want SDG and Malky to be hugely successful and us to never have to think about what might have been.

[Col2]

EEN article just dropped

https://x.com/edinburghsport/status/1818678508660404412?s=46&t=KQxCdT4HU58YyVv_hqKvFA

This line was very telling “As much as he still hopes to land a new forward in time to face St Mirren in Sunday’s Scottish Premiership opener in Paisley, the rookie head coach is in no position to make promises to supporters – because the people above him haven’t been able to make any firm timescale commitments on recruitment.”

[Alex Trager]

Genuinely what would you like them to come out and say? And if they did, how many would rip whatever they say to shreds.....or if it was good news, believe what was said?

I would expect them to explain the thought process behind getting this particular investor on board. What the group benefits will include. How will the money we brought in be spent. Setra setra

There is loads that they could and should be explaining to us about this link up.

[TrinityHFC]

I would expect them to explain the thought process behind getting this particular investor on board. What the group benefits will include. How will the money we brought in be spent. Setra setra

There is loads that they could and should be explaining to us about this link up.

All stuff that was discussed at the AGM. I think I’d just prefer to see what happens rather than hear about it.

[JohnM1875]

EEN article just dropped

https://x.com/edinburghsport/status/1818678508660404412?s=46&t=KQxCdT4HU58YyVv_hqKvFA

This line was very telling “As much as he still hopes to land a new forward in time to face St Mirren in Sunday’s Scottish Premiership opener in Paisley, the rookie head coach is in no position to make promises to supporters – because the people above him haven’t been able to make any firm timescale commitments on recruitment.”

Gray should be moaning about it if we don't get another striker in (which I think we obviously will). Don't think its an excuse either, its a valid reason!

[04Sauzee]

EEN article just dropped

https://x.com/edinburghsport/status/1818678508660404412?s=46&t=KQxCdT4HU58YyVv_hqKvFA

This line was very telling “As much as he still hopes to land a new forward in time to face St Mirren in Sunday’s Scottish Premiership opener in Paisley, the rookie head coach is in no position to make promises to supporters – because the people above him haven’t been able to make any firm timescale commitments on recruitment.”

Not sounding like 2 signings made today

[A Hi-Bee]

Not sounding like 2 signings made today

I tell yea we are doomed, we will probably never sign another player for ages, we need to wait for IG to unearth a diamond from darkest Africa perhaps.
:greengrin

[we are hibs]

EEN article just dropped

https://x.com/edinburghsport/status/1818678508660404412?s=46&t=KQxCdT4HU58YyVv_hqKvFA

This line was very telling “As much as he still hopes to land a new forward in time to face St Mirren in Sunday’s Scottish Premiership opener in Paisley, the rookie head coach is in no position to make promises to supporters – because the people above him haven’t been able to make any firm timescale commitments on recruitment.”"Gray will be growing frustrated with a lack of movement. Because, deep down, he knows how a lack of oomph in the opposition final third can undermine everything he’s trying to do – everything he HAS to do – in this first season as a manager."

"Gray wouldn’t be human if he weren’t feeling just a little underwhelmed by the lack of movement. And would probably get drummed out of the League Managers’ Association if he didn’t make his disappointment known to the guys upstairs."


I wonder if this is just guessing on the part of John Greechan or if Gray is actually pissed off and has let the board know about it..




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[TrinityHFC]

Gray should be moaning about it if we don't get another striker in (which I think we obviously will). Don't think it’s an excuse either, it’s a valid reason!

He’s part of the process and will be very aware of all the moving parts so in that respect I don’t think he can moan - I’m sure, as he’s said before, he would have preferred players in but I’m sure he also wants to the best players we can get for the long term.

I think he’s also right to say we’ve played a lot of games already and that we should have enough to be competitive. If you compare the Hibs and St Mirren squads for example I don’t think they are better than we are. They might be better organised and used to a way of playing though.

[Col2]

I take it all those who were happy to defend Kensall and Gordon while they play hide and seek still feel the same?

What a mess. And Gray has to face up to it as head coach and directly with media.

[A Hi-Bee]

I don't think Foley positions himself as the knowledgeable one, I think he surrounds himself with people who he feels are experts.

Contrast with our owner...

The sign of most very successful businessmen, surround yourself with good people who know what they are doing.
:agree:

[TrinityHFC]

I take it all those who were happy to defend Kensall and Gordon while they play hide and seek still feel the same?

What a mess. And Gray has to face up to it as head coach and directly with media.

I thought people didn’t want them involved in football / recruitment?

I’d rather hear from Mackay and Gray as and when new player arrive.

I’ll worry about the others once we get to the end of the window and see whether those two have been supported or not.

[Ozyhibby]

All stuff that was discussed at the AGM. I think I’d just prefer to see what happens rather than hear about it.

Did they not say that this was a game changing investment in the club at the AGM? How long you going to wait for evidence of that?


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[TrinityHFC]

Did they not say that this was a game changing investment in the club at the AGM? How long you going to wait for evidence of that?


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Longer than half way through one transfer window.

I have seen evidence in the last window that we got some benefit from the link up and I can see the infrastructure work that has happened in the stadium so far.

[JohnM1875]

Did they not say that this was a game changing investment in the club at the AGM? How long you going to wait for evidence of that?


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Didn't say it would be game changing in a positive way to be fair. Maybe we all just misunderstood.

[Ozyhibby]

Longer than half way through one transfer window.

I have seen evidence in the last window that we got some benefit from the link up and I can see the infrastructure work that has happened in the stadium so far.

I honestly couldn’t give a monkeys about new carpets in hospitality.


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[Hibiza]

We're all getting just the usual bull.

[TrinityHFC]

I honestly couldn’t give a monkeys about new carpets in hospitality.


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Neither could I but we’ve added a safe standing section, increased space for disabled supporters, further improved the pitch, re-fit the shop and added a further sports bar and hospitality. We are also building out community foundation space and basically revitalising the FF which had been left to crumble inside. These things will help us be able to sustain more spending on the team in future and hopefully develop the atmosphere.

Just because we’d like signings a bit more quickly I think it is a bit early to write off a long standing investment / partnership.

[Lago]

I take it all those who were happy to defend Kensall and Gordon while they play hide and seek still feel the same?

What a mess. And Gray has to face up to it as head coach and directly with media.
Totally agree, what a mess, and as you say the deadly duo have gone to ground.

[Davy Mac]

I'm starting to wonder if the deal has stalled and BK have a clause to exit within a probation period.

To be honest, we appear to be scratching around for players with a very limited budget which wasn't the message at the time.

One wonders if Hibs are keeping stum about it until the start of the new season, just a feeling.

[007]

I'm starting to wonder if the deal has stalled and BK have a clause to exit within a probation period.

To be honest, we appear to be scratching around for players with a very limited budget which wasn't the message at the time.

One wonders if Hibs are keeping stum about it until the start of the new season, just a feeling.

But the Black Knights have paid the money to Hibs. How does that work in this probation period clause of yours?

[Col2]

But the Black Knights have paid the money to Hibs. How does that work in this probation period clause of yours?

We give it back to them after a period of time like any probation period? Even if not the case, if the Gordon side of the board now don’t like the investment it wouldn’t be a great idea to spend the money would it?

[Greenworld]

I take it all those who were happy to defend Kensall and Gordon while they play hide and seek still feel the same?

What a mess. And Gray has to face up to it as head coach and directly with media.A good few do no matter what some including me say.
Bill Foley as part of the black knights and at Bournemouth has employed some top people to run things and to help partner clubs.
To achieve this you need people to be willing to at least listen to what they say .
Hibs are not listening at least as of last week that was the case , why I've no idea ,Folley employees people to run things Ian Gordon. Wants to run the show himself .

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[CropleyWasGod]

We give it back to them after a period of time like any probation period? Even if not the case, if the Gordon side of the board now don’t like the investment it wouldn’t be a great idea to spend the money would it?

Purchases of shares don't come with probationary periods.

The shares have been bought, and registered with Companies House. The only way that can be reversed is if the deal included an option for Hibs to buy back the shares. That would be very unusual. It also wouldn't follow that we would automatically buy them back for the same price.

[Greenworld]

Purchases of shares don't come with probationary periods.

The shares have been bought, and registered with Companies House. The only way that can be reversed is if the deal included an option for Hibs to buy back the shares. That would be very unusual. It also wouldn't follow that we would automatically buy them back for the same price.I did wonder if that was a possibility or if shares must first be offered to other share holders should BK wish to exit.
Without it in theory they could just sell to anyone ?


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[CropleyWasGod]

I did wonder if that was a possibility or if shares must first be offered to other share holders should BK wish to exit.
Without it in theory they could just sell to anyone ?


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Without knowing what was in the deal, I suppose any of these are possible.

Other than us buying back the shares, none of those options would affect us at all. We have the cash.

[Davy Mac]

Purchases of shares don't come with probationary periods.

The shares have been bought, and registered with Companies House. The only way that can be reversed is if the deal included an option for Hibs to buy back the shares. That would be very unusual. It also wouldn't follow that we would automatically buy them back for the same price.

Sorry, i used the word probationary, what i meant to say there must have been a cooling off period agreed between both parties if it didn't work out.

I sincerely hope we have first dibs on the shares as it could become a bit messy.

[matty_f]

Sorry, i used the word probationary, what i meant to say there must have been a cooling off period agreed between both parties if it didn't work out.

I sincerely hope we have first dibs on the shares as it could become a bit messy.

It doesn't really, it's "only" about 25% of the club. So long as Bydand (the Gordons) are majority owners the 25% could sit with anyone without *that* much impact to things.

[The Modfather]

It doesn't really, it's "only" about 25% of the club. So long as Bydand (the Gordons) are majority owners the 25% could sit with anyone without *that* much impact to things.

We should see if we can get another group to buy 24% for around about another £6m. We can bank the money and carry on doing as before with our 51%. More free money! 😀

[Davy Mac]

It doesn't really, it's "only" about 25% of the club. So long as Bydand (the Gordons) are majority owners the 25% could sit with anyone without *that* much impact to things.

But one wonders if the Gordons decide to sell up as well, will we be vulnerable, not sure i want to go through all that again.

[NC1875]

I take it all those who were happy to defend Kensall and Gordon while they play hide and seek still feel the same?

What a mess. And Gray has to face up to it as head coach and directly with media.

One of the reasons Gray was given the job imo.

To take the flak for the two idiots.

[matty_f]

But one wonders if the Gordons decide to sell up as well, will we be vulnerable, not sure i want to go through all that again.

That's the situation every day. They did have a very good offer to sell up lock, stock and barrel when Foley camera in but they turned it down to keep the club in their hands which, I think, gives you a good idea of their appetite to sell up.

[Greenworld]

That's the situation every day. They did have a very good offer to sell up lock, stock and barrel when Foley camera in but they turned it down to keep the club in their hands which, I think, gives you a good idea of their appetite to sell up.Was that the Tony Bloom offer ?

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[Col2]

Purchases of shares don't come with probationary periods.

The shares have been bought, and registered with Companies House. The only way that can be reversed is if the deal included an option for Hibs to buy back the shares. That would be very unusual. It also wouldn't follow that we would automatically buy them back for the same price.

Understand and a poor example inhindsight. IF there is a major fall out and regrets from both sides do you think it would be normal practice to spend the money we received at this stage (I am trying to work out why we are so lethargic in transfer window).

[Lago]

Understand and a poor example inhindsight. IF there is a major fall out and regrets from both sides do you think it would be normal practice to spend the money we received at this stage (I am trying to work out why we are so lethargic in transfer window).
I don't think there is any "transfer" money as such.

[leith lynx]

Did they not say that this was a game changing investment in the club at the AGM? How long you going to wait for evidence of that?


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Yes they did, and so far it looks like we were lied to and taken for mugs. Somethings not right and I would hope Kensall/Gordon would man up and tell us the truth of the matter. Time for Ian Gordon to make his Hibs TV debut and clear the air at least. If not, the toxic atmosphere will only increase unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong but come September things could turn nasty. Feel sorry for David Gray.

[eastmainsmsh]

One of the reasons Gray was given the job imo.

To take the flak for the two idiots.

Hope Gray is a success you can't blame him for wanting job he is ambitious a hero to many fingers crossed boards choice of Mackay and Gray will work

[Col2]

Yes they did, and so far it looks like we were lied to and taken for mugs. Somethings not right and I would hope Kensall/Gordon would man up and tell us the truth of the matter. Time for Ian Gordon to make his Hibs TV debut and clear the air at least. If not, the toxic atmosphere will only increase unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong but come September things could turn nasty. Feel sorry for David Gray.

This is shaping up to be the most uncomfortable few
months ahead for Ian Gordon and Kensall. They have no idea what is coming. Years of waste, **** appointments and crap recruitment. This season will be the tipping point - hope I am wrong.

[.Sean.]

That's the situation every day. They did have a very good offer to sell up lock, stock and barrel when Foley camera in but they turned it down to keep the club in their hands which, I think, gives you a good idea of their appetite to sell up.
Someone offered to buy the club in full from the Gordons? First I’ve heard of it. Interesting

[leith lynx]

That's the situation every day. They did have a very good offer to sell up lock, stock and barrel when Foley camera in but they turned it down to keep the club in their hands which, I think, gives you a good idea of their appetite to sell up.

Matty, are you in a position to indulge in who made the offer?

[CropleyWasGod]

Someone offered to buy the club in full from the Gordons? First I’ve heard of it. Interesting

It wouldn't have been in full. Bydand have never owned more than 67% of the club.

[Coco Bryce]

That's the situation every day. They did have a very good offer to sell up lock, stock and barrel when Foley camera in but they turned it down to keep the club in their hands which, I think, gives you a good idea of their appetite to sell up.

Bloom?

He wouldn't be allowed to own two clubs in the UK surely?

[flash]

Strange how a bid from someone as big as Bloom never even made the national press.

[TrinityHFC]

Strange how a bid from someone as big as Bloom never even made the national press.

Yeah it never happened.

[Billy Whizz]

Yeah it never happened.


Maybe didn’t, probably didn’t help that Mathie was sacked

https://www.sussexlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/barber-brighton-hibernian-new-partnership-5488582.amp

[ChuckNor]

Someone at the club needs to come clean with what has happened to the money from this investment. This is shaping up to be one of the windows where we have spent the least amount of money.

[marinello59]

Someone at the club needs to come clean with what has happened to the money from this investment. This is shaping up to be one of the windows where we have spent the least amount of money.

Sacking managers doesn't come cheap. Finishing in the bottom six is costly as well. We seem to have wasted a fair bit of it.

[JohnM1875]

Sacking managers doesn't come cheap. Finishing in the bottom six is costly as well. We seem to have wasted a fair bit of it.

Think managers get 3 months pay off from us now, its in the contract. The difference in finishing eight and sixth is less than £500k

[Hibees1973]

I've said for a long time ago I don't trust Ian Gordon & Kensell.

Maybe they both mean well, but they are out of their depth. They both raised expectations with the Black Knights deal but at the moment the new signings are nowhere near what most of us were hoping for. Feels they have given MacKay and Gray a hospital pass and tied their hands budget wise.

I was expecting with the Black Knights on board there would be a plan in this transfer window to bring in significant signings before the first league game.

Doesn't look like it now. If the partnership with the Black Knights has changed since February, Ian Gordon & Kensell should inform the Hibs support.

[ChuckNor]

I've said for a long time ago I don't trust Ian Gordon & Kensell.

Maybe they both mean well, but they are out of their depth. They both raised expectations with the Black Knights deal but at the moment the new signings are nowhere near what most of us were hoping for. Feels they have given MacKay and Gray a hospital pass and tied their hands budget wise.

I was expecting with the Black Knights on board there would be a plan in this transfer window to bring in significant signings before the first league game.

Doesn't look like it now. If the partnership with the Black Knights has changed since February, Ian Gordon & Kensell should inform the Hibs support.

Every word 100% agree. We need answers at this point. The fans have been treated like muppets.

[Mrimbetween]

Knowledge is power and those that have it are keeping close to there chest right now and by the looks of will continue to do so

Fans are always last to know

[Hibeesforever]

Knowledge is power and those that have it are keeping close to there chest right now and by the looks of will continue to do so

Fans are always last to know
It's a strange strategy from Ian Gordon. The lack of fan engagement is becoming bizarre. Wins from SDG will mean it is okay but defeats and the fans will turn on him as being personally responsible...no way will SDG get a tough time.

[may 21/05/2016]

I've said for a long time ago I don't trust Ian Gordon & Kensell.

Maybe they both mean well, but they are out of their depth. They both raised expectations with the Black Knights deal but at the moment the new signings are nowhere near what most of us were hoping for. Feels they have given MacKay and Gray a hospital pass and tied their hands budget wise.

I was expecting with the Black Knights on board there would be a plan in this transfer window to bring in significant signings before the first league game.

Doesn't look like it now. If the partnership with the Black Knights has changed since February, Ian Gordon & Kensell should inform the Hibs support.Nonsense

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[Brightside]

Yeah it never happened.

There was active discussions.

[matty_f]

It wouldn't have been in full. Bydand have never owned more than 67% of the club.

Technicality, take over the majority holding.

[CropleyWasGod]

Technicality, take over the majority holding.

:aok:

[7Hero]

Yeah it never happened.

Aye it did.

[Greenworld]

Technicality, take over the majority holding.And it was a bloody good offer can't believe they turned it down .


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[Northernhibee]

Nonsense

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Posts like this boil my piss. Explain why you think it’s nonsense or don’t post at all.

The floor is yours.

[Aldo]

Someone’s mischief making if they think Hearts are in for Bevan.

I just don’t see it given our involvement with the BKG.

[Jones28]

I've said for a long time ago I don't trust Ian Gordon & Kensell.

Maybe they both mean well, but they are out of their depth. They both raised expectations with the Black Knights deal but at the moment the new signings are nowhere near what most of us were hoping for. Feels they have given MacKay and Gray a hospital pass and tied their hands budget wise.

I was expecting with the Black Knights on board there would be a plan in this transfer window to bring in significant signings before the first league game.

Doesn't look like it now. If the partnership with the Black Knights has changed since February, Ian Gordon & Kensell should inform the Hibs support.

We've disagreed on this in the past but I'm starting to become concerned about what was promised vs what has, so far, been delivered. We are 4 days away from our first league game of the season, we've signed two defenders and two goalkeepers, good business but we are sorely lacking in other areas and we are leaving the manager without options to change games.

I still don't believe there's any malicious intent, just chronic mis-management.

I'm happy with Vente as our number 9 but he needs back up. Likewise wide left and left full back if I'm being greedy.

Their seem to be as many rumours circulating about players leaving as there are players coming in, never mind that Youan and Vente seem to be the ones they're focused on.

[Ozyhibby]

Someone’s mischief making if they think Hearts are in for Bevan.

I just don’t see it given our involvement with the BKG.

Maybe we turned him down?


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[Aldo]

Maybe we turned him down?


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Maybe but would be very odd if he went to help out one of our rivals.

[Greenworld]

Maybe but would be very odd if he went to help out one of our rivals.Maybe making a point to Ian Gordon [emoji1787][emoji1787]

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[Aldo]

Maybe making a point to Ian Gordon [emoji1787][emoji1787]

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Cutting his nose off to spite his face and all that 🫣

[Ronniekirk]

Someone’s mischief making if they think Hearts are in for Bevan.

I just don’t see it given our involvement with the BKG.
Maybe he doesn’t like plate spinning Aldo I doubt they would be interested Our priority just now is a couple of forward players
Bevan if we are interested will be later in window once Gordon and Foley kiss and make up and start working in Hibs best interests
But Malky is right we are not just going to take a promising young player they want to offload if we don’t think they will fit in to our team and improve us

[Aldo]

Maybe he doesn’t like plate spinning Aldo I doubt they would be interested Our priority just now is a couple of forward players
Bevan if we are interested will be later in window once Gordon and Foley kiss and make up and start working in Hibs best interests
But Malky is right we are not just going to take a promising young player they want to offload if we don’t think they will fit in to our team and improve us

Of course we are not but why did we take him last season? You are right though, MM and SDG might not rate him.

[RIP]

Of course we are not but why did we take him last season? You are right though, MM and SDG might not rate him.

McDermott and Montgomery last season were still amenable to youngsters and the Bournemouth link was a new option.

This year its the Mackay and Gray show and they will be looking for more proven players.

[Brightside]

McDermott and Montgomery last season were still amenable to youngsters and the Bournemouth link was a new option.

This year its the Mackay and Gray show and they will be looking for more proven players.

Then investment was very much about us taking dev players from them that aren’t ready for Prem yet. Madness if that doesn’t happen.

[flash]

Then investment was very much about us taking dev players from them that aren’t ready for Prem yet. Madness if that doesn’t happen.

Aye surely we get access to premiership class players before they are ready to play in that division.
Otherwise who would we even get from them?

[Donnchadh1875]

Yesterday I met this guy and photographed him for my 150 Hibs portraits. If you're interested, let me know, as I still need a few more fans.

The one thing that everyone has in common that I've met recently is that Foley is out of line in his comments about SDG, and we need to make signings.

As the guy said yesterday, "if we get off to a slow start, can you imagine there will be punters with pitchforks waiting for Kensell and Ian Gordon?"

Maybe he's pocketed the Foley money and he wants out?

[Aldo]

McDermott and Montgomery last season were still amenable to youngsters and the Bournemouth link was a new option.

This year its the Mackay and Gray show and they will be looking for more proven players.

I said that and agree however proven players cost money.

I’m sure MM and SDG will know who they want if and when Bournemouth offer up players.

[CropleyWasGod]

Yesterday I met this guy and photographed him for my 150 Hibs portraits. If you're interested, let me know, as I still need a few more fans.

The one thing that everyone has in common that I've met recently is that Foley is out of line in his comments about SDG, and we need to make signings.

As the guy said yesterday, "if we get off to a slow start, can you imagine there will be punters with pitchforks waiting for Kensell and Ian Gordon?"

Maybe he's pocketed the Foley money and he wants out?



Who are you suggesting has pocketed the money?

[Aldo]

Yesterday I met this guy and photographed him for my 150 Hibs portraits. If you're interested, let me know, as I still need a few more fans.

The one thing that everyone has in common that I've met recently is that Foley is out of line in his comments about SDG, and we need to make signings.

As the guy said yesterday, "if we get off to a slow start, can you imagine there will be punters with pitchforks waiting for Kensell and Ian Gordon?"

Maybe he's pocketed the Foley money and he wants out?



Does anyone know or can it be confirmed who or what the actually comments were about and directed at??

It could well have been using funds to develop the FF when they could have been used elsewhere? It could be for a multitude of things?

Are we just guessing it’s toward SDG?

[flash]

Yesterday I met this guy and photographed him for my 150 Hibs portraits. If you're interested, let me know, as I still need a few more fans.

The one thing that everyone has in common that I've met recently is that Foley is out of line in his comments about SDG, and we need to make signings.

As the guy said yesterday, "if we get off to a slow start, can you imagine there will be punters with pitchforks waiting for Kensell and Ian Gordon?"

Maybe he's pocketed the Foley money and he wants out?



A flying visit to the forum methinks.

[B.H.F.C]

Then investment was very much about us taking dev players from them that aren’t ready for Prem yet. Madness if that doesn’t happen.

It’s no madness if they’re trying to send us some untested youngster who isn’t good enough to play at our level.

[Alex Trager]

All stuff that was discussed at the AGM. I think I’d just prefer to see what happens rather than hear about it.

It might well have beeb discussed at the AGM.

I couldn’t tell you. I wasn’t there.

They need to do a proper communication. Perhaps a press conference that is streamed on Hibs TV so that it reaches the newspapers as well.

It always seems to be that these corporate bits and bobs come out at the ‘paid for’ events. It’s like a tier of ‘here is access to essential club information, if you pay for it’.

Pay for it meaning: hospitality; shareholders; away season ticket holders.

Then it’s drip fed through the internet and word of mouth.

Why do they never sit down and give a clear and detailed plan to the whole support? Maybe something to do with the fact that they change their mind about their plans on the daily and if it’s only been a few folk at an event that have heard then they can just poo poo it.

[Jones28]

Yesterday I met this guy and photographed him for my 150 Hibs portraits. If you're interested, let me know, as I still need a few more fans.

The one thing that everyone has in common that I've met recently is that Foley is out of line in his comments about SDG, and we need to make signings.

As the guy said yesterday, "if we get off to a slow start, can you imagine there will be punters with pitchforks waiting for Kensell and Ian Gordon?"

Maybe he's pocketed the Foley money and he wants out?




I sure Crops can confirm this, but there's not really a mechanic in place whereby this can happen. Everything needs to be board approved, which is we have one.

It's a nonsense.

[Alex Trager]

Neither could I but we’ve added a safe standing section, increased space for disabled supporters, further improved the pitch, re-fit the shop and added a further sports bar and hospitality. We are also building out community foundation space and basically revitalising the FF which had been left to crumble inside. These things will help us be able to sustain more spending on the team in future and hopefully develop the atmosphere.

Just because we’d like signings a bit more quickly I think it is a bit early to write off a long standing investment / partnership.

Is it also fair to say that sporting success would bring that as well? Sustainability/an ability to implement the things they have?

The only things on your list I would say are justifiable based on our current sporting position are the pitch and the disabled supporters access.

The rest are frills. It’s like buying a brand new telly before you’ve bought a house.

[Donnchadh1875]

Who are you suggesting has pocketed the money?

Ian Gordon -sarcasm.

[Donnchadh1875]

Does anyone know or can it be confirmed who or what the actually comments were about and directed at??

It could well have been using funds to develop the FF when they could have been used elsewhere? It could be for a multitude of things?

Are we just guessing it’s toward SDG?

Just a fan talking he had a view. Like the others than I have photographed, Nobody has said anything negative about SDG

[Brightside]

It’s no madness if they’re trying to send us some untested youngster who isn’t good enough to play at our level.

I refuse to believe they don't have dev players that are better than some of our current squad fillers.

[Donnchadh1875]

A flying visit to the forum methinks.

Looks that way. Needed a few more portraits. Not every fan will think the same. I met one guy that was a great guy BUT...

[RIP]

A flying visit to the forum methinks.

Another Seagull 😅

[Coco Bryce]

Neither could I but we’ve added a safe standing section, increased space for disabled supporters, further improved the pitch, re-fit the shop and added a further sports bar and hospitality. We are also building out community foundation space and basically revitalising the FF which had been left to crumble inside. These things will help us be able to sustain more spending on the team in future and hopefully develop the atmosphere.

Just because we’d like signings a bit more quickly I think it is a bit early to write off a long standing investment / partnership.

But at the end of the day, season tickets sales are down and there is so far been nothing to entice them back.

[we are hibs]

Does anyone know or can it be confirmed who or what the actually comments were about and directed at??

It could well have been using funds to develop the FF when they could have been used elsewhere? It could be for a multitude of things?

Are we just guessing it’s toward SDG?Hibs leaked to the evening news that it was about Gray and Mackay.

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[Aldo]

Just a fan talking he had a view. Like the others than I have photographed, Nobody has said anything negative about SDG

Your bit about Foleys comments about SDG. Do we know that he made those comments specifically about him?

I understand fans are saying things but I’ve not read anywhere (unless I have missed it) where Foley has said he’s not happy with SDG. Again I may have missed this.

[Cammy]

I refuse to believe they don't have dev players that are better than some of our current squad fillers.

Yeah a young forward to come on with 10-15 minutes to go would be better than next to no options at all. Who? I don't know, as I don't know enough about their reserves/youth players.

[CropleyWasGod]

Ian Gordon -sarcasm.

Ta.

Smilies help in these posts, especially the mood the board is in just now :greengrin

[Smartie]

Yeah a young forward to come on with 10-15 minutes to go would be better than next to no options at all. Who? I don't know, as I don't know enough about their reserves/youth players.

I still reckon that with 3-4 injuries of the like, we’d be scuppered with a bunch of untested Bournemouth reserves to the same extent we’d be scuppered with a few of our own.

I actually think our first choice team with any one of Rocky, McKirdy, Delferriere etc thrown in should be ok for most games. It’s when we start to have a few of them it becomes a problem, especially if we’re carrying a non scoring poacher as a first pick.

[matty_f]

It’s no madness if they’re trying to send us some untested youngster who isn’t good enough to play at our level.

I would be hoping that we're getting players at a similar level as Hibs-era John McGinn, who are more than capable at this level.

You can even look at young Owen Beck who had a great season last year at Dundee on loan from a Liverpool.

There's a level between Premiership-ready and untried youngsters.

To give another way of looking at it. If we had players at a level to go into Bournemouth's academy, we would have lost then to their academy, or a similar one at that level.

We've seen Whittaker and Molotnikov impact our first team already, neither would be (at this stage) touted for moves to a Premiership club, so you can take from that a measure of the minimum standards we could expect to get.

[bingo70]

I would be hoping that we're getting players at a similar level as Hibs-era John McGinn, who are more than capable at this level.

You can even look at young Owen Beck who had a great season last year at Dundee on loan from a Liverpool.

There's a level between Premiership-ready and untried youngsters.

To give another way of looking at it. If we had players at a level to go into Bournemouth's academy, we would have lost then to their academy, or a similar one at that level.

We've seen Whittaker and Molotnikov impact our first team already, neither would be (at this stage) touted for moves to a Premiership club, so you can take from that a measure of the minimum standards we could expect to get.

There’s two types of loans you generally get from ‘bigger clubs’, one where it’s apparent the player isn’t good enough for that level and it’s just a case of running down their contract until they can leave. The other is a player with real promise who they think can make it but just need to play some men’s first team football before breaking into a team at a higher level.

In the past we’d have picked up loans of players not good enough for the club they were at, they’re fine as they can lead to longer term deals. I personally thought the link up with Bournemouth would have lead to the other type of loanee coming in that was highly thought of and had a real chance of going back and making it. I actually thought that was a big part of the link up.

We simply can’t work on the premise, young player with no first team experience are bad, players with first team experience are good. IMO that would be us potentially missing out on some great players who would normally be way out of our reach and completely defeat the purpose of joining a multi club structure.

[matty_f]

There’s two types of loans you generally get from ‘bigger clubs’, one where it’s apparent the player isn’t good enough for that level and it’s just a case of running down their contract until they can leave. The other is a player with real promise who they think can make it but just need to play some men’s first team football before breaking into a team at a higher level.

In the past we’d have picked up loans of players not good enough for the club they were at, they’re fine as they can lead to longer term deals. I personally thought the link up with Bournemouth would have lead to the other type of loanee coming in that was highly thought of and had a real chance of going back and making it. I actually thought that was a big part of the link up.

We simply can’t work on the premise, young player with no first team experience are bad, players with first team experience are good. IMO that would be us potentially missing out on some great players who would normally be way out of our reach and completely defeat the purpose of joining a multi club structure.

Totally agree.

[CapitalGreen]

ALF has confirmed he has had interest and offers from league 1 and abroad. He's not signed a perm deal with FC United Of Manchester he has been training and playing in bounce games for fitness while he figures out his next move. Strange narrative to take but go off.

ALF has now signed permanently with 7th tier FC United of Manchester. Those League 1 offers must have been awful for him to drop so many divisions to get a club.

[Joe6-2]

ALF has now signed permanently with 7th tier FC United of Manchester. Those League 1 offers must have been awful for him to drop so many divisions to get a club.

Wish we’d given him another year

[Centre Hawf]

Wish we’d given him another year

I liked ALF but I'm glad we've looked elsewhere now. I think we saw some glimpses of his quality but not sold on the idea he had much left in his tank at this level for another full season, especially if it was to play as often we think our next striker signing will likely have to.

[Ozyhibby]

Beginning to think there is going to be a parting of ways with the BKs.
What was a ‘game changing’ investment 6 months ago has us now not spending at all in the summer. Something has clearly gone wrong and I think Foley will be trying to sell his stake.


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[Lago]

Beginning to think there is going to be a parting of ways with the BKs.
What was a ‘game changing’ investment 6 months ago has us now not spending at all in the summer. Something has clearly gone wrong and I think Foley will be trying to sell his stake.


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Think it's time the Gordon family were encouraged to sell their stake, Ron probably had a vision to what Hibs could be, that died with him and Kit/Ian don't have what it takes to take club forward, time for them to maybe look for opportunities in America now.

[Ozyhibby]

Think it's time the Gordon family were encouraged to sell their stake, Ron probably had a vision to what Hibs could be, that died with him and Kit/Ian don't have what it takes to take club forward, time for them to maybe look for opportunities in America now.

Ideal scenario is Foley takes over.


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[Centre Hawf]

Ideal scenario is Foley takes over.


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Is it really? He's got the wallet but it's not exactly been excellent in France for his lot. I honestly think my ideal scenario soon would be to see off the Americans sooner rather than later, but considering one of them only got involved this year and the other will no doubt want to make money out of us it's probably not going to happen for the next handful of years at least.

[itslegaltender]

was Mackay not quoted ahead of the Foley intervention saying there was no point taking 4 Bournemouth reserve players if none could improve the team? thats sounds like why there is a problem now with BK.

[The Modfather]

was Mackay not quoted ahead of the Foley intervention saying there was no point taking 4 Bournemouth reserve players if none could improve the team? thats sounds like why there is a problem now with BK.

It would be quite strange if all Bournmouth were offering us were reserve players that we were quite right to say no to as they’re not good enough. Especially when they gave us Marcondes and NMW in January. With Bevan potentially in the not good enough bracket, but we never got a chance to see if that was the case.

[JohnM1875]

Ideal scenario is Foley takes over.


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I know it'll require a rule change for it to happen, but this is where I am as well now. If it was still Ron running the show, fine. But it's not and unfortunately Ian Gordon doesn't really seem to know what he's doing.

Greatly appreciative of the improvements they've made to Easter Road, but it's time we get someone in who's focus will be on running a football club well.